What would Obama change that rival Demo candidates would not and why should voters believe that he has special powers to accomplish those changes.

With going negative on his rivals, what policies would he have to change this country?

What are the specifics...no lofty rhetoric please.

In Obama's "rock star speeches" why doesn't he address real issues like health care with no one left behind, education, sub prime mortage.  

What are the real issues?  

It seems to me that Obama is all sizzle but no STEAK.

Oprah said at the big events that we should vote for Barak Obama because he is black and it would be the culmination of the civil rightsd movement.

Is that what she said?

Mr. Obama and Miss Oprah are asking voters to trust that HE IS THE ONE who can pull off a magic trick via personal charm and hopeful rhetoric.

Charm and hopeful words are fine, however, for an office as important as the president of the USA I need to know more than lofty words.

What are the specific policy changes Mr. Obama would put into effect?

How EXACTLY is Mr. Obama going to change our country that other Democratic candidates would not?

I don't know what the big issue is about immigration reform.  They are here ILLEGALLY......They should be deported back to wherever they came from.

If John doesn't have enough people for his lawn business, he needs to drive by day labor.......

How does one explain Barack Obama's stand on illegal immigrants.

He wants to give them driver's liscense but he says they should not be allowed to work in this country???

AS jerry and lou Dobbs think the rest of you will follow ,jerry you can open camps along the border and put them on cattle cars and hold them until they never want to come back you could build some creamatoriums, put a sign up that said work will make you free just like your kind did to the Jewish people in 38 or Pleased to meet you hope I get your name,Let me guess you support torture SADISTS UNITE give them a inch and they will beat you to within one. America deserves better than you.It is sarcasm if you dont get my point.

The want to be President runners are just confused or never learned to read, maybe couldn't care less?

Fact: The Illegal has openly defied our national borders and invaded our country

Fact: The Illegal is now a major problem, They falsely
obtain legal documents (SSN cards, Drivers Licenses) These documents are forged, altered, stolen.

Fact: The Illegal has over run many city community service, plundered the public educational system, refused to respect Federal and local law.

Fact: The Illegal issue has cost the American tax payer billions. As reported by the Senator of Arizona,"" The Illegal has trashed the border desert region and turned a national treasure into a garbage dump! The Illegal is a threat to our communities and national security.

Fact: America has and is being Invaded by Mexico ""with out a shot fired"" The Illegal openly protests and waves the Mexican Flag on American soil, The Illegal demands American Civil Rights! ""DEMANDS"" , By what right under our Laws does one DEMAND when they are NOT an American on American soil?

Fact: The present Federal law states , That those who gain entrance to America by Illegal means shall and be DEPORTED!

How many more facts must be given to those seeking to become President? Must our nation and infrastructure be invaded by low class, uneducated, law defying Illegals?

America was not built upon those who intend to invade with the intent to defy law and order!

American Law/AZ

Fact:  Unless your native american or an ancestor of one of the indigenous populations of north america you are descended from an "illegal" immigrant yourself.  

Fact:  You must have failed math in school to actually believe that 12 million immigrants have the capability of wiping out the assets of and overthrowing a nation of 300 million people.

Lastly, America was in fact built upon those who invaded this continent, nearly wiped out the native population and defied every single moral and ethical law of man in their drive to dominate this continent.  Now you want to get on your high horse and claim the moral and ethical high ground because these people are here illegally. What is this a timing issue; when white people do it, its called manifest destiny and when brown people do it, its called illegal immigration?  Hypocrite much are we?  

I don't follow Lou Dobbs or Jerry. I'd like to see the Republican party put conservative Black and Hispanic groups front and center on this. None of this will be handled right until this political correct perverted way of Liberal thinking has ended.

The standard divisive hate-and-fear tactics of the Republicans are going to bite them in the a** on this one.  The only wedge issue they have this cycle is immigration, and to act "tough" on that is to alienate a huge block of legal hispanic voters. The only enforcable reform is to penalize employers of illegal labor under current laws.  If the jobs dry up the flow of illegals will as well.  Dry up the demand, we will never hold back the supply of cheap labor, it's world-wide.  Remember how well the supply-interdiction worked on the "War on Drugs"?

Tom Tancredo's immigration stance has been such a refreshing dose of honest practicality. If he weren't such a war hawk, a Paul/Tancredo ticket would be an exciting prospect.

Yo quiero taco bell!  Te amo Americanos!  Yo uso toda la educasion de los Estados Unidos!  Yo no necasita la tarjeta verde.  Yo soy un criminal.

Yo quiero taco bell!  Te amo Americanos!  Yo uso toda la educasion de los Estados Unidos!  Yo no necasita la tarjeta verde.  Yo soy un criminal.

all illegal aliens in the US (Sent Monday, December 10, 2007 2:22 PM)

No Habla.....

Please keep this to english only.....
After all that is what is spoken here.........

Please keep this to english only.....
After all that is what is spoken here.........
jerry/corpus christi texas (Sent Monday, December 10, 2007 2:43 PM)

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Translation:
I love Taco Bell.  I love Americans. I use up the US Education system.  I don't need a green card.  I am a criminal.  

Mark from Albuquerque just does not care about our country.  He tries to justify illegal immigration by distracting away from the issue with red herring about the Pilgrims.  He closes the door for dialog by labeling people racists if they are against illegal immigration.  It is people like Mark that divide us and will lead to the fall of the United States.  Ron Paul for President!

I stood outside this debate to offer support for Ron Paul.. But what I wanted to point out, of the local support that came, ALL of them outside were RON PAUL supporters with the exception of 2 Mike huckabee supporters... Out of something like 60 people out there.

Reponses to previous posts:

"Fact:  Unless your native american or an ancestor of one of the indigenous populations of north america you are descended from an "illegal" immigrant yourself."

Actually, they were not illegals, because that was not the law of the land. We were all once Immigrants, however the majority of us followed immigration law to get here.  

"Fact:  You must have failed math in school to actually believe that 12 million immigrants have the capability of wiping out the assets of and overthrowing a nation of 300 million people."

12 million people is an extremely conservative number on the current illegal immigrants in our country.  There is more reasonabily currently 15-20 million illegal immigrants in our country, the majority coming from mexico.

More so, the current legistlation that Bush has been trying to push through gives blanket amnesty to not only them, but invites numbers more like 60 million into our country..  But to make it ever worse NONE of them will have to pay tax for 5 years!  Ok.. So we have a country that is going bankrupt from an over extended forien policy, a hyper inflated dollar, in a country that is ALREADY NEAR BANKRUPTCY, then YES , definantly the illegal immigration issue will make the difference between sink or swim...

And what every immigrant , legal or illegal should know, is that the fall of america will lead to a tyrannical superstate aka The Pan American Union.. Which will be good for NONE of us!

The fact is that illegal immigrants are being USED to serve as a fulcrum to upheave our constitutional republic...  This is why Bush supports amnesty! This is why Hillary supports amnesty! This is why Obama supports amnesty! They ALL want GLOBAL GOVERMENT!

VOTE RON PAUL!!

jimdallen, Denver Co/Brady, Miami FL:

Not a red herring.  Just honest facts.  Illegal immigration is a red herring issue, like gay marriage, and many others designed to get the masses to vote one way or another out of fear and greed.  There has always been immigration, legal or otherwise and there always will be immigration.  

As for not caring about America:  I just don't want the nation I've served for 30+ years of my life to devolve into a fear ridden, hatred driven nation.  We need to exercise some judgement and realize that this is really just a non-issue designed to divide us where we need not be divided. (Yes I'm one of those retired military, combat veteran, still serving the federal government, tax paying, patriotic believers in american principal over the expediency of elections) Its easy to spout all this hatred and fear.  It takes real courage to recognize that this nation was founded on the politics of inclusion and not exclusion and to demand that we accept those who are arriving today with the same compassion that led us to establish Ellis Island.  Isn't the real solution finding ways to include this new segment of our society a better approach than trying to figure out how to isolate and then eliminate them?  The point of my original post was that we all came here for the same reasons [just at different times] and whether you choose to believe it or not most if not all of us came here and were included at the expense of those who were here already.  When did we become so greedy and shallow as to believe there's no more room for anyone else?  So I care about America enough to know that now is not the time to abandon its principals.  Its what will see us through this and many more "issues" in the future.  

i am not against legal immigration ,i am against illegals. i think hillery clinton should move to mexico. she wants to give illegals social security and universal health care ,also voted to make spanish the universal launage of the united states.do you think she is for united states citizens? how did she get to be the front runner?check what duncan hunter stands for,the american people.

wasOprah comparing Obama to Neo with her "he.s the one"?I am not an Ophra fan and I guess I do not get the importance of her pick for president.I just figured it was because of his skin color and I could understand that----but not all the other show business bluster

Voted to make spanish the official language, please this shows you will say anything to support your views, that is why we can't discuss this important issue, people want to demigogue. If you wanted real discussion you would have real points to make not the claptrap of ideologues, you want a verbal fight to prove your candidate has the answers, anyone who says they know all the answers is lying. There are many european illegals here also, but we seem to want to only speak about the 'brown illegals' what's up with that?

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