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Congressional endgame

Posted: Monday, December 10, 2007 3:19 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Ken Strickland and Mike Viqueira
If you are sympathetic to Democratic causes and you had high hopes that by now the new majority in Congress would have ended or altered American involvement in the war, or that your federal spending priorities would finally get their due, or that the days of deficit spending were over -- you may be in for some disappointment in the coming days.
 
It appears that the annual legislative endgame -- where months of committee hearings, speeches, amendments, and votes come down to a massive all-in-one "omnibus" package negotiated among a select few from the Hill and the White House behind closed doors -- will not include any conditions attached to war funding. The war in Iraq is going to get funded, at least through early next year, even though Speaker Nancy Pelosi had pledged less than a month ago that not a penny more would be forthcoming until Congress returned in mid-January. Domestic spending will likely be at or close to the president's ceiling. And if there is a "fix" for the Alternative Minimum Tax, which most agree there will be, there will likely not be corresponding raises in taxes to offset the cost of the measure, despite passage earlier this year of a requirement to pay for everything.

Bright sides for Dems looking for accomplishments: some kitchen table items important to voters stand a chance of making it through. The bill funding billions in farm subsidies has new life in the Senate. The AMT -- with or without the offsets -- will save hundreds, if not thousands, in income tax for middle-class filers in a matter of months. The big energy bill that would raise CAFE standards still has legs, though it's not likely to survive with House-passed rollbacks of the tax breaks given by Republicans to energy companies a few years back. At this point, the president will probably not get all of the $196 billion for the wars that he had requested, maybe even less than half. And there is still a faint hope for reauthorization and expansion of the children's health insurance program this year.

Beyond that, it is a familiar tableau around here. The unforgiving math dictates that Democrats simply have not had the votes all year to overcome a surprisingly solid Republican wall of opposition, whether it be the Senate's 60-vote threshold or the two-thirds required to override a veto. Much to the glee of Republicans here and "Down the Avenue," House Dems are sniping at Senate Dems; Dem leaders are frustrated with other Dem leaders; some rank-and-file Dems are bickering with those same leaders; and all Dems are upset with what they regard as Republican obstructionism.

Close your eyes and listen, or simply change the names and party affiliations, and this could be most any other December in the last several years, especially during the Clinton Administration, when the roles were literally reversed. The questions is: Will the end result this time be good enough for Democrats and their supporters?

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For all the bluster and all their walk the walk attitude, this has truly been the worse congress of all time.  For all the talk about President Bush, he has a higher approval rating then the moron twins Pelosi and Reid.  
Alaska Republicans just got some awful news today, as a new Research 2000 poll has BOTH Senator Stevens and Representative Young badly trailing their democratic challengers: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2007/12/afternoon-poll-democrats-strong-in.html
Congress. What a pitiful display.
This is why the dims have a hard time winning national elections...none of us believe they have the nads to stand up to anyone or anything...such courage while not under fire...will a dem with some stones please stand up?
They got a few things done.  It's hard to undo 6 years dedicated to destruction of the federal government in 1 year with a hostile president and an opposition party that backs him to the fullest.
Has the inactivity on solid issues (i.e; Iraq, social spending, Dem core issues) hurt or helped the Dem's chances of either retaining Congress or adding seats? Some might argue that a quick pull-out from Iraq would look awfully foolish now that fortunes there seem to be improving.

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They got a few things done.  It's hard to undo 6 years dedicated to destruction of the federal government in 1 year with a hostile president and an opposition party that backs him to the fullest.

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At this rate, and for all the promises the Dems made for this year, we're looking at 2064 being the year they'll get all their promised work done. Me thinks the public will grow impatient before then.
What are they supposed to do? Cut off funding to stop the war? It won't work, idiot Bush would keep the soilders there with no ammo, just rocks and sticks to fashion into weapons. As for other things, the Dems will get things done when their majority increases and Bush is gone to stop vetoing everything they try to pass.  Its the republican obstructionists who are keeping this congress from getting real work done, not the dems.
Again, Spiro was right; an effete group of impudent snobs.  What a bunch of sorry-a** losers.  And to think I walked precincts for McGovern in 72.
Look, the message is simple.  Republicans are using the President's Veto and the Republicans in Congress to obstruct the Democrats, this is not the Democrats fault it is the Republicans.  Instead of whining about the Democrats, we should figure out a way to get MORE Democrats in office and fewer Republicans so they can no longer obstruct!  The only problem is the Democrats don't control enough government to do anything they want.
Ross Jennings--Yeah but where is the competent alternative? Certainly not the GOP. Seven years in control. A year and a half of which was literal control of all three branches of government and that wasn't enough for them to be able to achieve Conservative Nirvana? We should be living in The United States of Reagania by now. Instead they were rejected by a fed up electorate in '06. Dress warm Ross, your time in the political wilderness is far from over.
the gop has been great at blocking progress, idiots try to blame the democrats.
[ What are they supposed to do? Cut off funding to stop the war? ]

That's the message the Democrats sold last year. That's the message that got them elected. Now the excuses are in full bloom. The Democrats will pay for being dishonest.
I just love that the Repukes in here are calling this the worst Congress of all time. It very well may be, but it has nothing to do with Pelosi or Reid. It has to do with the Repukes in Congress standing aside and letting them fix all the crap they've managed to f--k up since they had the majority way back in 1994, with most of it happening since Dubya came to office and was given everything he wanted, including the kitchen sink.

Stand aside and maybe things will get done. All this obstructionism has done is make it less likely that the Repukes will gain any seats next year in either chamber.
STAND BACK....WATCH OUT!!!!! The Demencrats are caving in again, Nancy Pelosi,, THE WORST, house leader in History. Harry Reid, A Mormon, Pro-Slavery, Racist(this according to the rants of Larry O Donnell of msnbc) We all now call upon his resignation, as Senate Leader
I just love that the Repukes in here are calling this the worst Congress of all time. It very well may be, but it has nothing to do with Pelosi or Reid. It has to do with the Repukes in Congress standing aside and letting them fix all the crap they've managed to f--k up since they had the majority way back in 1994, with most of it happening since Dubya came to office and was given everything he wanted, including the kitchen sink.

Stand aside and maybe things will get done. All this obstructionism has done is make it less likely that the Repukes will gain any seats next year in either chamber.

Mike K, Denver (Sent Monday, December 10, 2007 4:26 PM)


LOL Mike....

and now the democrats are borrowing from the GOP playbook and grabbing as much as they can as well.....
Bush SAYS there should be compromise and cooperation between his White House and Republicans on one side and Democrats on the other side, yet he continually SAYS that, "If the Democrats don't give me everything I ask for (i.e., DEMAND), then I'll veto any bill which doesn't give me things on MY TERMS".

Surely, such stances on Bush's part neither comprise "compromise" nor "cooperation".

Hi All,

You seem, as the barely educated troguladites that you truly are, to miss the point entirely.  What we should all be doing as good democrats is realizing that the republicans still had enough votes and the president to thrwart any and all bills that the dems would put out.  We should continue to vote republicans out of congress and give the dems the presidency.  The republicans have proven that they will not negotiate with democrats and will not listen to the American people, and the American people lose in the process.  The republicans have shown their true colors, they are totalitarian dictators and should be removed wholesale from office.  Once this is done, we can begin a new second party and move on with the business of doing business.  Until that time, there is nothing that can be done.  

DO NOT BLAME THE DEMOCRATS YOU CAN NOT DEAL WITH TOTALITARIAN DICTATORS, YOU CAN MERELY REMOVE THEM.

Your brother in American life,

John
The majority leadership is a spineless herd roaring mice.
I like N. Pelosi, she seems likeable.  However, I cannot understand why she would talk-the-talk earlier knowing, full-well, that she and the Democrats couldn't walk-the-walk regardless of blame.  Seems like bad politics.
"The Democrats will pay for being dishonest. "


Maybe, but if dishonesty were truly "payed for" by lying politicians, Bush and Cheney would be wanted internationally.
Proof is in the pudding, the more things change the more things stay the same. Bush and corporate loddyist continue to bully and threaten Congressional democrats into submission. Out of the fear of being demonized and cut off from future campaign funding Congressional democrats back track on their promises. When will those we elect to represent us stand up to be counted? When will we elect someone who stands up for mainstream America and is not afraid to take on the Haliburtons, oil companies and corporate America who has hijacked our government. I believe that John Edwards is the only candidate who is genuine in his pledge to take back government from corporate America and reempower the people, and that is the only way we can again get good laws that are not tainted by corporate money.
Jerry, where have you been for the last couple of days? Glad to see that you did not lose any of your idiotic,repulsive, convoluted, unpatriotic, wharped philosophy during your short truancy.
Congress is a mess, how many members in it are Relpublicrooks? Have your fun because by this time next year you will be speechless living under the rock that you crawled out from under! How far is Corpus Cristi from Dubya's future hideout? Good riddance to both of you.
Paul S, Oak Harbor, WA: '...Again, Spiro was right; an effete group of impudent snobs.  What a bunch of sorry-a** losers.  And to think I walked precincts for McGovern in 72....'

So di I
What a waste of time !!
There was a minister who stopped supporting McGovern
But, he wouldn't give back the rental car
I stole cars for McGovern !!

In the end, I'm glad he didn't win
He was incompetent

good times

Hmm. Yet Bush remains one of the lowest veto presidents in modern history. And back when it was  the Democrats turn to be obstructionists[political/ judicial appointee filibusters],they magically became ''the loyal opposition'',while it was the GOPs turn to grouse. Obviously,one-party rule does not make a one-size-fits-all. Both parties are the ying and yang of American politics. One GOPer grabs a bunch of loot and is carted off to prison. Or is captured trolling for teenaged sex on the Internet. As surely as day follows night,it becomes a Democrat pulling such crap but a short time later.[and vice versa]. The venality and cupidity of GOP one-party control is replaced with Democrat greed and stupidity,rather than Pelosis Swamp Draining Service.[complete with gas-guzzling utility vans].
               Even Jimmy Carter is alarmed. Writing in todays WaPo,he is worried over the Democrat majorities race to hand out hundreds of billions to corporate-owned farms leaving little guys to go under. Billions in earmarks,[Hillary Clinton:92% to campaign contributors;The Center for Responsive Politics www.opensecrets.org],go to grease the skids of the political machine while K.St. packs em in to nearly bursting with lobbyists by the hundreds hiding behind the Beltway Christmas decorations ready to pounce.
               FR dullwittedly dredges up non-sequiturs arcanely surrounding ''tax cuts''given ''energy companies'' by the ''Republicans''as a reason why CAFE will have the legs come off it. The truth is more interesting. Rust Belt Dems,led by Dingall[D-Mi]AKA ''Tailpipe John'',are in full internecine warfare with members of their own party regarding these standards. Nor does the clout of the unions,TEAMSTERS,UAW among them,and their opposition to CAFE ever enter the conversation[as both of these unions shell out 99 dollars to Dems for every 1 they give the GOP],thus ''tax breaks''have not a damned thing to do with it. Oil companies do NOT manufacture automobiles or their parts. But the UAW and those in Dem strongholds in Michigan,Illinois,[increasingly],Ohio, and Minnesota,DO.
                The quality of the average office holder or seeker has diminished with time. On both sides of the aisle,this is one of the most lackluster lineups in the postwar period even allowing them the soonest shot out of the political gate in American history. No-one has truly broke forth with ideas that find nearly universal support and create an unerring track to the White House,as one found with an FDR,a Truman,an Ike,a Carter,or a Reagan.[or JFK,for term two,had he lived].
         Even before its wilderness period,it will become the GOP,that will have the better shot at regaining lost fortunes due to the sheer numbers of resignations and retirements. Those angling for office would do well to place basic conservative principles first,and leave the baiting to the already fossilized Democrat leadership,who could not legislate a four-hand UNO match. Thus in due time,we will yet live to see the return of a form of ''Reagan Democrat'',who becomes sick and tired of his party,as
GOP stalwarts became disenchanted with their own ,when they dependably stray into nanny-state extravaganzas,tax-and-spend schemes with little to nothing to show for these,or outright corruption as viewed through an Abramoff/ABSCAM prism.                      
             
t huntington ny:'...What are they supposed to do? Cut off funding to stop the war?...'

YES !!
That's EXACTLY what they're SUPPOSED TO DO !
Don't fund the war !!
LEt Bush figure out what to do
He's the 'Decider'


American Voter:'...The majority leadership is a spineless herd roaring mice....'

EXACTLY !!
What's WRONG WITH THEM ?
Stop voting for funding the war !!

(That was easy)
Anyone ever hear of the program "Just say NO", or "DARE" they are drug prevention programs for our youths.  I think the entire Congress (both Dems and Repubs)need to grow some big Cojones like Ron Paul and "Just say NO" to President Bush period.
With a 1-seat majority in the Senate, and a Moron-in-Chief determined to veto anything other than absolute submission to his will, there was no chance of any meaningful progress.  The only thing they could have done is refuse to send ANY spending bill to the floor for Iraq, but the political will to cut off troop funding wasn't out there.  The best thing that was done was that the rubberstamp brigade was brought to a screeching halt, and some oversight and investigation was begun.  We will see the change we want when the democrats win back the white house and a larger majority in the senate.  Pray the moron and his Veep puppeteer don't start world war 3 in the interim, as they seem to want.
We are at a time of crisis and the Republicans in Congress and the White House continue to drive us off a cliff.  The party has been steadfast in preventing reasonable solutions in the areas of National Security, Immigration, Energy, Climate Change, and the list goes on.
It is time for the people, yes We the People, to give them the boot.

The excuses and BS just ping-pong back and forth between  the Dems and GOP.  Whoever has control blames the other side-it doesn't matter who's in control, it's never their fault; but, they all do the same thing-too much time/energy spent to get re-elected, too little spent making the lives of all Americans better.  We need a 3-party system!  We should support our troops, they are just doing what they've been ordered to do.  We need Congressional term limits, intelligence and self-lessness in Congress.
I just love that the Repukes in here are calling this the worst Congress of all time. It very well may be, but it has nothing to do with Pelosi or Reid. It has to do with the Repukes in Congress . . .

Mike K.

Typical Democrat behavior. Dems want all the power, but none of the responsiblity. Screaming "It's not our fault, it's not our fault!" just doesn't register on the leadership meter.

If the Dems don't want to do the job, step aside so someone else can have a try at it.
does anybody remember who put the decider in office?Not the american people but the rightwing controled supreme court.And look at it now.We do not stand a chance with this stacked court.Do not forget O hio in your pecking order.Full of fraud but nobody cared.Just reading Vanity fair and Guilliani and Bush are damned near as crooked as each other.Also bloodwork from George,after falling from sofa while eating pretzel contained large amount of alcohol.SURPRISED????????He has lied all his cowardly life and many of you believed he talked to God.Yeah right-------------you have been hustled along with the rest of us---but at least we did not vote for the worst pres ident in history---
Fooey.

Democrats complaining of "obstructionism" need to cast their minds back to the long list of appointment battles in which they declared that "compromise" consisted of refusing to confirm any appointment if the appointee failed to meet their standards, i.e., be a card-carrying Democrat.

And they also are conveniently forgetting the reality of the 2006 elections, in which virtually all the new Democrats who gave them their majority conspicuously failed to campaign on Iraq. Instead, the mantras were "culture of corruption" and "fiscal responsibility" -- and they were elected in right-leaning districts where voters had become disgusted or disillusioned with pork and high-flying lifestyles. Once they were in office the Democratic leadership declared that all that was off the table, and the important issues were Iraq and impeachment. They got nowhere because the new members they were counting on were flooded with letters, phone calls, and emails opposing that agenda, and the new members voted according to their constituents' desires, as they should.

There has never been the opposition to the war that Democrats who oppose it assumed. I, personally, know a lot of people who would answer a poll saying they opposed the war -- but the polls never asked the next question: why. Many people opposed the war not because they were pacifists, but because they didn't think it was being prosecuted strongly enough -- just the opposite of what the poll looks like to a pacifist.

Democrats then followed through by becoming just as pork-laden, just as big-spending, and just as elitist as the Republicans of the "culture of corruption". If there's anything to choose between John Murtha and Sen. Stevens (R-Alaska) it's invisible to me. And increasingly, Democrats are the party of the wealthy urban elite, not of workers or of the middle and lower-middle classes. (Yes, a tenured professor of Political Science is an "urban elite" -- as are her students.) The capper is all the social program and nanny-state entitlements they propose, which taken together would add up to the cost of the war times ten, and which make a mockery of any claim of fiscal responsibility. It's fairly obvious that Democrats think all the money belongs to them, and the rest of us get to have a little on their sufferance. This does not translate to a voting advantage.

Interesting times. I don't like any of the Republican contenders who appear to have a chance, and if it's McCain I'll stay home for personal reasons having little or no connection with his ability, but 2008 is shaping up more and more into the Second Coming of George McGovern. I won't wish you good luck with it, guys.

Regards,
Ric
Nothing of major issue resolved, a continued failure to address real critical national issues, pork barrels filled with tax dollars only going to the self serving paper hangers agenda's, A do nothing congress which has and does evade the the #1 issue ""Illegals!

The Washington self serving paper hanger gave himself a $3330.oo raise and not one penny was earned this year. This year was nothing but, finger pointing, investagations of their own, scandal, tabled major critical issues, misrepresented overatures to unite , but totally divided and driven by a hand full of power hungry paper hangers.

The lust and greed for self serving power domains rules the congress, nothing but nothing !
Great Expectations are killed when we are dealing with politics. Our country is a great river, it is strong and clearly knows the direction it is traveling and then it meets the power of the sea and the river breaks up into smaller and smaller rivulets, a delta is created and the power is spread further and further out of the original channel.
Political promises are our hope for the better. We must understand that the promise will be weakened by others who have other agendas, blaming congress for how the game is played is easy, understand the checks and balances of our great democracy means not pretending that one party has all the answers. The congress was a better place at one time, but the politics of one party rule and obstrutionist politics has more power in the short run. Expecting great change will not make that change, contacting your senators and representatives will create the small changes we need. Quit blaming a congress when it is you who are at fault. If you have time on this site to argue your points you have the time to write your congress, I e-mail my senator at least twice a week, how mant times have you got involved?
all the statements being made are evidence of the partisan politics practiced in washington, d.c. today and the last 7 years more so than ever before.

i agree that the dem's should be more forceful in standing their ground on some issues as the republicans ahve been. this would lead to more negotiations(hopefully).

it has nothing to do with who has the biggest set. I wish it was so simple.

you need the senate and the house together to get a bill passed. the president has the veto pen. if congress has to overide a veto they need 60 votes.

the partisan ploitics in washington won't allow this to occur. especially in the senate where it is actually a tie in representation. lieberman is an independent that the media says sides with dem's. this is not true. his voting record and stance on most issues since mr. bush has been in office has been supportive of republican views and stances.

i am not saying that all the ideas that republicans have are bad. on the contrary. both sides have great minds and ideas. it would a good thing if they would get back to working together instead of fighting each other.

this is why the next president has to be a healer, unifier, negotiator with very good judgement or we will be the one's with continued suffering of some form.
YOU DEM'S ARE ALL A JOKE you cry like the little baby you are!!!!
End game? That implies the actually started at some point.


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