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Oh-eight (D): Biden is up, up, and away

Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:13 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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BIDEN: Per NBC/NJ’s Carrie Dann, Biden becomes the last of the six Democratic campaigns playing in Iowa to go up on TV in the state. In the ad, Biden speaks directly into the camera and says, "Being president isn't the same thing as running for president. When this campaign is over, political slogans like 'Experience' and 'Change' will mean absolutely nothing. The next president has to act.” He then touts the bipartisan approval in the Senate of his Iraq plan and that he spoke with the Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf before Bush did after Musharraf declared emergency rule earlier this year. “You don’t have to guess what I’ll do as president,” Biden says to close the ad. “Just look at what I’ve done.”

CLINTON: The New York Times on the latest NYT/CBS poll: “For all the problems Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton appears to be having holding off her rivals in Iowa and New Hampshire, she remains strong nationally, the poll found. Even after what her aides acknowledge have been two of the roughest months of her candidacy, she is viewed by Democrats as a far more electable presidential nominee than either Senator Barack Obama or John Edwards. Not only do substantially more Democratic voters judge her to be ready for the presidency than believe Mr. Obama is prepared for the job, the poll found, but more Democrats also see Mrs. Clinton rather than Mr. Obama as someone who can unite the country.”

Also: “The poll confirmed that former President Bill Clinton was an effective campaign weapon for his wife. Forty-four percent of Democratic voters say Mr. Clinton’s involvement will make them more likely to support her…The poll found that just 1 percent said they might be swayed by the involvement of Oprah Winfrey, who has been campaigning for Mr. Obama in Iowa, South Carolina and New Hampshire the last three days, drawing huge crowds and allowing his campaign to identify new supporters."

Speaking of Bill, he addressed a crowd at the YMCA in Newton, IA following his appearance yesterday in Ames, NBC’s Christina Jamison reports. In addition to driving home the "change agent" line, he embellished a bit, saying she is "a proven agent of positive change." He also reiterated his swipe at Obama, saying: "It isn't enough to have the right vision or the right programs. You have to make them real."

Clinton addressed concerns of revisiting some of the problems of the 1990s. "We don't want to re-fight the battles of the ‘90s, but we sure would like to have some of the victories of the 90s."

Unlike at the Ames stop, Clinton took a few questions from the audience. One was from a former teacher who lived in New Jersey but moved to Iowa to retire. He asked Clinton which decisions he and Hillary disagreed on when he was in the White House. Clinton responded with the timing of health-care reform and his failure to send troops when the Rwandan genocide happened. "I believe if I had moved in then, we might have saved as many as a third of those lives. And I think she clearly would have done that... I know she always thought that was something we should have done." He went on to say, "We have agreed on most things over the long run. But we have on occasion disagreed.  And I would say in the years we've been together, more often than not, when we've disagreed I think time has proven her right."

The Boston Globe also writes about Bill’s answer on Rwanda.

The Los Angeles Times covers Bill Clinton and notes how he's trying to soften the image of his wife. "Many voters see Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton as coldly ambitious, a perception that could ultimately doom her presidential campaign. So on Monday her husband made a swing through Iowa in hopes of convincing voters that she is a sympathetic figure who gave up money and power for love and marriage. President Clinton told a crowd here that she took a chance on him when his political prospects looked dim, marrying him in 1975 when he had already lost a congressional race and was making little as a law professor at the University of Arkansas."

The New York Times posts an email from a Clinton campaign official who appears to have been fishing for info about Obama's days as a community organizer. Adds reporter Jeff Zeleny: "If there was any question whether Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign was concerned about the rise of Senator Barack Obama, here is a fresh example: A deputy campaign manager for Mrs. Clinton sent an e-mail yesterday, trying to find out about Mr. Obama’s background as a community organizer in Chicago."

The Boston Globe’s Peter Canellos writes that Clinton “now she finds herself in a duel for the Democratic nomination with the younger, more dynamic Senator Barack Obama of Illinois, who exudes a Bill Clinton-like sensitivity to average people.” For Hillary to win, “it probably requires a more direct, humble appeal to voters. She needs to show just how badly she wants to be president, how eager she is to serve.”

DODD: Dodd begins airing a new TV ad in Iowa today (on broadcast and cable). “I'm not a former First Lady or a celebrity. But I am the only Democrat running who's a veteran,” Dodd says in it. “And I was in the Peace Corps. I am the candidate who authored the Family and Medical Leave Act. I am the candidate who negotiated the end to wars. These aren't campaign slogans, it's what I've done over a lifetime of service.”

The ad concludes, “I'm Chris Dodd and I approve this message because I'm the candidate who can win next November and I am ready to be president.”

EDWARDS: The Des Moines Register notices, “Earlier in the campaign, Edwards jabbed Democratic rival Hillary Clinton at every turn. But he's toned down the rhetoric in recent weeks, and he said he will keep it that way from now on. ‘My intention is between now and the caucuses to focus on why I want to be president, and the positive parts of that," he told reporters riding his campaign bus through the snowy countryside.’” He did, however, say that if he’s asked a direct question about distinguishing between himself and Obama and Clinton at a debate, that he would do so.

His campaign, meanwhile, is up with a new ad in South Carolina. "It is time for our party, the Democratic Party, to show a little backbone, to have a little guts -- to stand up for working men and women. If we are not their voice they will never have a voice," the former North Carolina senator says in a 60-second spot titled "Heroes."

The Washington Post looks at Edwards' days growing up as the "son of a millworker."

OBAMA: The Politico gets its hands on a 1996 questionnaire Obama filled out when he was running for state Senate, and it includes his liberal positions on capital punishment, abortion, and gun control. “The questionnaire, which was provided to Politico with assistance from political sources opposed to Obama’s presidential campaign, raises questions of whether Obama can be painted as too liberal and whether he is insufficiently consistent. Obama, who makes an issue of his opponents’ consistency in the presidential race, has tempered many of those 1996 views during his quick rise to the pinnacle of American politics. He now takes less dogmatic positions many of those hot-button issues — in the view of some Democrats, he abandoned the stands as he rose through the ranks.”

The Union Leader’s DiStaso reports that New Hampshire Rep. Carol Shea-Porter (D) will endorse Obama.
 
The Globe’s Pindell adds, “Besides the fact she went against her own campaign chair Billy Shaheen, who backs Hillary Clinton, the news is also bad for John Edwards, who both shares her populist and anti-war message and who desperately needs some kind of positive news out of the Granite State.”

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You guys must have had technical problems this AM.  Anyway I have to agree with MK,MO.  The democrats questioned in this NYT/CBS poll either have perspectives clouded by wishful thinking or were asked questions in a nebulous manner.

I live in upstate NY and although my reporting is at best anecdotal and at worst strongly biased against Hillary, I have to say that the Republicans, with whom I speak, can be whipped into a rabid frenzy at the mere mention of Hillary's name (whether or not that's justified, is another quesition).  Even most of the Democrats are not inclined to support her for the presidency.  Obama and Edwards, on the other hand, are received more favorably.

So how did Hillary win her Senate seat in 2000 and 2006, you may ask.  Well, she ran against two unknown and underfinanced Republicans.  In the first election, Rick Lazio was a stand-in for Guiliani, who, in September 2000 bowed out of the race, secondary to illness.  In 2006 she ran against John Spencer, an unknown former mayor of Yonkers who was outspent 5:1.  Chuck Shumer has outpolled Hillary in his runs for the Senate seat from NY.

I guess if these polls address people who are (nationally) not yet engaged in the race, the answers should be expected to be spurious.  However, the place where people are engaged, is Iowa.  In this state where the caucus goer has 20X the voting power of the average national primary voter (according to a study quoted by Jill Zuckman of the Chicago Tribune, on Chris Matthews last night) because of their first in the nation status and the subsequent downstream effect, the vote is crucial and certainly more significant than any national poll.

Ms. Zuckman also stated that the same study showed that NH voters (in the same vein) have 12x the voting power of the average primary voter.  As goes Iowa and NH (and then SC) will go the Democratic nomination.  I am envious of Iowan voters, political junkie that I am, that I am not able to participate in that unique laboratory of political science.  Good luck Iowans and thanks for your sincere and intense concentration; the nation owes you.
Obama '08

 Joe Biden is the ONLY democratic candidate I would vote for.  He has experience and has researched the issues and come to exceptional resolutions.

  If the dems don't nominate him.  I will probably throw my vote to a republican and hold my nose the whole time.
hill & obama have their celebs to parade; all biden has for celebs are the candidates themselves! the choruses of "joe's right" by these people at the debates should concern you people.if joe's right, and he is on all current foreign affairs issues, why are these people polling higher? the answer is money for campaigns, the politics of a minority now whether it's bais for gender or race, and the politics of nostalgia for the bill years. the last 2 are bs reasons to base your vote and biden's right once the elections are over change and experience are just slogans. in the first place he has more experience than h&o combined, and that includes the white house for hill and overseas education for obama. these people are lightweights in foreign affains, the sphere where the presidents impact resides and the domestic change will come frm congress and include some portion of all, providing we win the trifecta [house,senate, & pred] for demos in 08'. elect biden he already leads with his iraq proposal and anticipation of pakistan problems. stop biding your time for a leader. vote joe biden!
I think each politician is worthless. Each one is out for their own means, full of promises with no real intention of getting these things done when in office. If they do pursue them, they get cut off by the opposing party cause they don't "like the ideas." Yeah some 'united' country we are in. We have two seperate groups that can't even agree on spending bills. Lets stop worrying about this stupid war and start worrying about ourselves and our own people. We give too much to others and worry too much about others. Stop poking our nose in international affairs and start poking into our own country and finding all the major issues. Health care, education, the rising cost of colleges.

None of these political liars get my vote.
[Clinton addressed concerns of revisiting some of the problems of the 1990s. "We don't want to re-fight the battles of the ‘90s, but we sure would like to have some of the victories of the 90s."]
--Like Free Trade???  I actually like free trade, but of course that has to be the one of the things Clinton accomplished that Clinton is now hesitant on.  (Now you see why people type Hillary and Bill, it's not out of disrespect).  I guess it's politically convenient right now to distance herself from this, but ask yourself one question ...  What will her position be should she win the Presidency?
   Wow, the republicans are sure desperate. They are already trying to tie Democrats to flip Flopping. But we can never ever flip flop more than W the fish. W is like a fish out of water. Flip, Iraq has WMD's. Flop, oops Iraq has harbored terrorists. Flip, Saddam Hussein must go. Flop, it is freedom for the Iraqi people. That is only one issue, lets check other situations. Flip, the person that outed Valerie Plame will be fired. Flop, we are not sure of the facts of this case, but I am commuting Libby's sentence. Flip, we do not torture. Flop, we destroyed the tapes that showed us torture. Flip, we do not send people to other countries to be tortured. Flop, Rendition is standard operating procedure for this adminstration. Flip, W says his tax cuts will pay for themselves. Flop, we have the largest debt ever. Flip, I will bring integrity to the white house. Flop, any minion or bush asskisser was given government jobs over more qualified people. You bunch of republican losers, this is just the start of my flip flop list of the republican party. Do you think the american public is so stupid to fall for your flip flop arguement twice? The ditto heads and religious freaks might think so. Those of us with brains and think for ourselves see right through the pathetic hypocrisy you republicans seem to enjoy so much. Mark from AZ please never stop blogging. Your hatred of the liberals is only matched by your nazi like behaviour defending the republican party. You are the blogger that keeps giving: Hate that is. Every post just shows everyone the amount of hate and stupidity a blind loyal busshie like you has.
Giving away the ICBM re-entry ranch to the Chinese[where it ended up with the NKs,where it ended up with the Paks,where it ended up with the Iranians,who all now have enhanced missle re-entry capability],is somehow ''good for the country''? Readers will be reminded that ''presidential waivers''of the sort Clinton bestowed upon missle guidence systems giants LORAL and HUGHES,are now unlawful due to the very damage done to our national security as a result of these ''waivers''to favoured Clinton campaign contributors[indeed,keyword Schwartz,Bernie,fmr. CEO of LORAL,and you will find that he is a fundraising honcho in Hillarys campaign.Indeed,after Schwartz,who is running the liberal New School in New York City,met with a Mr. Norman Hsu,at a banquet in Hillarys honor last year,Hillary dumped one million in taxpayer dollars into the schools coffers].

Also see: The United States House of Representatives The COX Commission [1999] www.house.gov

JANES WEAPONS www.janes.com
Joe Biden for president...why is it that we never hear anything about him. He is the only person I would vote for.
When it comes to candidates, the ones that I think are best for the country aren't necessarily doing the best in the polls.  I like Dodd and Biden.  Unfortunately, they have the least name recognition and most likely some of the smaller bank numbers.  These two have the experience and judgement because they have seen the mistakes of others; they have learned how to avoid them for the most part.  

Of the front runners: Clinton, Obama, Edwards and Richardson; I like Obama the most.  I know that Clinton and Richardson have some varied (Richardson more than Clinton) experiences.  There is something to be said of youthful energy.  Clinton may be able to win many people, but she is far too polarizing for me; might rally the Republicans too much (give Coulter another reason for a bitter book).  
Just what has Biden accomplished for the sorry State of Delaware in the last 30+ years? It's the land that progress forgot!

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Delaware is a state? Go on! Was it just let in the union? Where are my state quarters when I need them?
Almost everybody I know is an independent voter and none of them will support Hillary from sea to shining sea.

I think Joe Biden is running a perfect Iowa campaign he built strong ground support and is now going to do a strong media push at the end.  Just need to see if it will propel him into contention.  He is the most qualified candidate for president.  The only others are Dodd, McCain, and Richardson.

I think a dream matchup for the presidency would be Biden vs. McCain.
Delaware is a state? Go on! Was it just let in the union? Where are my state quarters when I need them?
Joe, New Jersey (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:04 PM)

Actually, Delaware was the first of the pre-statehood colonies, and the first official state of the United States.
Biden is the real deal. I just hope Iowans will give him their vote, so the rest of the country has an opportunity to vote for a man with integrity, statesmanship, and who gets things done. His legislative record is second to no one. His foreign affairs experience and wisdom is the best of either party.
Biden is 'Up, up and away'? What is he Super-Dud?

Actually, Delaware was the first of the pre-statehood colonies, and the first official state of the United States.\\\



Then Jimmy Carter lost it in a game of Texas Hold'em with Margaret Thatcher.
Campaigning with the 'audacity of hope' doesn't mean reducing oneself to being a sack of potatoes.  It's alright for Obama to delineate differences between himself and the other candidates and it's certainly alright to point out inconsistancies in the political stances of the other candidates (as they will try to do in return).  That's what campaigning is about and it's a candidate's duty to present his/her case in an honest manner.  It follows that argument and counterargument is to be expected.  That's what healthy debate is about.

What isn't acceptable is rumor mongering, inuendo, aspertions, whisper campaigns, all of which appeal to 'the lizard' in all of us.  What's not acceptable is unethical fund raising that requires hidden agendas, agandas that would serve the political donor and might compromise decisions otherwise benefitting the average American.  What's not acceptable is maintaining political positions that are postures for electability.  Those are the ground rules for any campaign.  That's the definition of 'the politics of hope.'

It's fair game for Obama to attack Edwards' record on labor and equally fair for Edwards to defend himself by affirming that these were votes from long ago that do not represent his present positions.  

What's not fair is sending out misinformation that Obama took his oath on the Koran (not that it should matter) when it was Keith Ellis a black Congressman from Minnesota - do 'they' really all look
alike? LOL.  What's not fair is asserting that Obama attended a radical Madrassa in Indonesia (patently false) or that he had a scurrilous relationship with Antoin Rezko - total nonesense.  We know who has been trying to dig up any possible negative information on Obama during his years as a community organizer on Chicago's south side.

The reason that the negatives stick to Hillary and not to Obama (or for that matter any of the other Democratic candidates) is because of past history.  People believe things when they fit past patterns.  Unfortunately the situation speaks for itself.
Obama '08
Who is Joe Biden? I think everyone is going to find out on Jan. 3rd. Joe's the best thing we have, and I think Iowa is going to make a point of waking up the rest of the country.
Not that a Democrat will get my vote, but in considering who I could end up with, Biden has increasingly become more palatable, despite some of his ancient baggage.

That's not necessarily to say he's actually any better than when the whole thing started. It's more like someone getting better looking the more one has been drinking.
Biden kicks all the Dem. Candidates butts on almost every single issue.  He is the Dark Horse in this race that should NOT be underestimated.  You may recall that Kerry actually had less support at this point in Iowa than Biden does.  Biden has a great grass roots organization, a long track record of working on the issues that matter to Democrats, and the ONLY candidate on either side that has CLEARLY laid out positions on all the major and minor issues.

Richardson only has the support he does because of 2 reasons:  1) Hispanics  &  2) His connections to Clinton's presidency.  So write that turkey off, besides, he sounds like a moron when he talks about most issues.

Edwards isn't even Presidential material, the guy couldn't win as a VP candidate against a President in the middle of an unpopular war.

Dodd....he's out after Iowa, Clinton will lose Iowa but remains strong, Obama has a limited shelf life.

Biden would kick the Republicans all over the place in the general election, Clinton, Edwards, Obama all have MAJOR risks being the nominee.
Did you notice that the Biden posts are  about voting for him.  Obama/HRC/Edwards posts seem to all be about how the others suck.  That ought to tell you something.  Let's nominate Biden and stop the bickering about who did what in kindergarten and who spent what at the hairdresser.
Joe Biden is the man.

The media needs to give him more attention, he's the only candidate on stage with IDEAS, not celebrities.
Biden IS making his move now.  

First came the November 30th American Research Group poll showing Biden moving past Richardson into 4th place with 8%.  Now here is the latest from Chris Matthews:

   "...Joe Biden is now the third best bet for the nomination. I'm hearing a lot of buzz about him from people who pay attention."
   - Chris Matthews, MSNBC (12/10/07)
Biden IS making his move now.  

First came the November 30th American Research Group poll showing Biden moving past Richardson into 4th place with 8%.  Now here is the latest from Chris Matthews:

   "...Joe Biden is now the third best bet for the nomination. I'm hearing a lot of buzz about him from people who pay attention."
   - Chris Matthews, MSNBC (12/10/07)
Why wont Biden, Dodd, Kucinich, and Richardson (to an extent) just drop out of this race? * * *  They simply are taking (possibly) critical votes away from the candidates that could really stand a chance.  
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Obama will win the nomination, and then he will win the presidency and unite the country.

Devin, Champaign, Illinois (Sent Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:27 AM)

I like Obama, but the idea that Obama can even come close to Biden in experience or judgment is a joke. On 3/2/07 Obama said Iran was “a threat to all of us.” Obama stated: “all military options were on the table against Iran”. Obama is on the Foreign Relations committee, but unlike the chairman, Senator Biden, he had no clue, regarding the status of the Iran nuclear threat. He skipped the Kyl-Lieberman vote, and did not publicly speak out against it before the vote. Biden was the only Presidential candidate to speak out against the resolution BEFORE the Senate vote. Issuing a press release after it passes by an overwhelming margin, after skipping the vote isn't political courage!
I would just like to point out that Biden's first ads in Iowa ran earlier this year, and that these new ads are merely his next round of TV ads rather than his first round.

Rev. Rob

You are right the "Cathedral ads" available to view on his website www.joebiden.com ran in August. During the 8/19/07 ABC debate they showed a clip of the ad. Those ads ran for about 2 weeks and were well received.
Just what has Biden accomplished for the sorry State of Delaware in the last 30+ years? It's the land that progress forgot!

Delaware Republican

I don't think most people in Delaware would agree, but you certainly haven't progressed intellectually.
Actually, Delaware was the first of the pre-statehood colonies, and the first official state of the United States.

Carrie, Eastern Iowa

Carrie,

Do you really believe someone from New Jersey posting a political thread doesn't know Delaware is a state? Don't you think more likely that Joe from NJ was making fun of "Delaware Republican" who still can't get over Biden's upset come from behind victory in 1972, against the popular former Governor of Delaware, and and three term congressman and 2 term incumbent GOP Senator Caleb Boggs, when Biden wasn't even 30?

But thanks for the history lesson!
Did you notice that the Biden posts are  about voting for him.  Obama/HRC/Edwards posts seem to all be about how the others suck.  That ought to tell you something.  Let's nominate Biden and stop the bickering about who did what in kindergarten and who spent what at the hairdresser.

Lori, Central CA

That is so true. Clinton supporters can't give specifics and build her up, because she really doesn't have any actual provable public record, and neither does Obama. I'd support either one, but if you want the best candidate, it's Joe!
I urge everyone to give Joe Biden a look. Her clearly is best choice. While all these candidates are running for President - he continues to act like one



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