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More oh-eight (R): GOP in disarray?

Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:13 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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Time's Duffy looks at the GOP field and notes how no one is stepping up. And he wonders if it says more about the state of the party in general. "Still, it is hard to overestimate the moral and intellectual power outage that now darkens the GOP. Long out of step with a majority of voters on such secondary issues as outlawing abortion and narrowing stem-cell research, Republicans have more recently managed to get themselves on the wrong side of popular trends on what were once old reliables: foreign policy, economics, energy, even health care."

GIULIANI: Politico's Smith and Martin wonder if Giuliani's fall in the polls, particularly in the early states, has something to do with the fall of Clinton's numbers.

After yesterday's "debate," Giuliani sat down with the Des Moines Register's editorial board. The paper's story on the meeting led with Giuliani's call for the GOP to get involved in the climate change issue. "Giuliani said his solution to the problem would be similar to others he proposes to deal with urgent issues: He would use government incentives instead of mandates. Rather than capping trade or punishing American companies, he said, he would offer government incentives to encourage energy independence and to promote cleaner coal, nuclear power and greener alternatives such as hydroelectric, wind and solar power."

More: "When asked why he had not spent much time campaigning in Iowa, Giuliani said his campaign decided to raise money and spend time proportionately in all of the 25 states that have nominating contests coming up in the next month. He said he would have liked to attend more town-hall-like forums, ‘but you can't spend all of your time in Iowa and  New Hampshire and expect to win.’”

Speaking of slipping in the polls, Giuliani's support dropped 10 points in the latest Quinnipiac New Jersey poll. He still leads the GOP primary by a large margin, just not as big as it was.

It's also interesting that Giuliani's numbers in Feb. 5 states are falling faster than Clinton's. Could the difference be the amount of time Clinton is spending competing in the early states, compared to Giuliani? Probably.

The New York Daily News is proving to be a thorn in Giuliani's side. The paper picks up on Giuliani's debate response yesterday when he claimed to run an open government as mayor. “Longtime Giuliani critics called his transparency boast laughable. ‘He ran the least open, least transparent government in living memory,’ said noted First Amendment lawyer Floyd Abrams, who often battled City Hall for information. ‘It's his equivalent of, “I never had sex with that woman,”’ joked Abrams, referring to Bill Clinton's infamous lie about Monica Lewinsky.”

HUCKABEE: The New York Times, in covering the Huckabee apology to Romney, includes this from the Web site for the Church of Jesus Christ Latter-day Saints: “On first hearing, the doctrine that Lucifer and our Lord, Jesus Christ, are brothers may seem surprising to some-especially to those unacquainted with latter-day revelations. But both the scriptures and the prophets affirm that Jesus Christ and Lucifer are indeed offspring of our Heavenly Father and, therefore, spirit brothers. Jesus Christ was with the Father from the beginning. Lucifer, too, was an angel ‘who was in authority in the presence of God,’ a ‘son of the morning.’ (See Isa. 14:12; D&C 76:25-27.) Both Jesus and Lucifer were strong leaders with great knowledge and influence. But as the Firstborn of the Father, Jesus was Lucifer’s older brother. (See Col. 1:15; D&C 93:21.)”

“How could two such great spirits become so totally opposite? The answer lies in the principle of agency, which has existed from all eternity. (See D&C 93:30-31.) Of Lucifer, the scripture says that because of rebellion ‘he became Satan, yea, even the devil, the father  of all lies.’ (Moses 4:4.) Note that he was not created evil, but became Satan by his own choice.”

“When our Father in Heaven presented his plan of salvation, Jesus sustained the plan and his part in it, giving the glory to God, to whom  it properly belonged. Lucifer, on the other hand, sought power, honor, and glory only for himself. (See Isa. 14:13-14; Moses 4:1-2.) When his  modification of the Father’s plan was rejected, he rebelled against God and was subsequently cast out of heaven with those who had sided with him. (See Rev. 12:7-9; D&C 29:36-37.)” 

MCCAIN: The New York Sun was intrigued by McCain's use of Michael Bloomberg yesterday in an answer about education during the debate. "As speculation persists about Mr. Bloomberg's own presidential ambitions, the high praise from Mr. McCain could start talk of a possible partnership if Mr. McCain's bid for the Republican nomination fails. Mr. McCain has returned to his maverick roots in trying to come back from his campaign's near collapse over the summer, and he now highlights rather than hides the many times he has broken ranks with his party. Mr. Bloomberg displayed a similar streak before he took the more dramatic step of leaving the Republican Party and becoming an independent earlier this year."

After the debate, making his first appearance in Iowa in more than a month, McCain faced reality before caucus voters at the home of Fred and Barb Taylor, NBC’s Bethany Thomas notes. “We just have a lot to do in this state. I gotta give you some straight talk. But I still think we have a very good opportunity to do well.” He then went on to tell the supporters that the campaign has good momentum in New Hampshire and South Carolina -- two states he considers essential to winning the nomination.

PAUL: “Republican Ron Paul, whose TV ads have been mostly biographical, turns to the issue of healthcare in his new spot. The ad, which will air in Iowa and New Hampshire, shows a narrator talking about a ‘big tug of war’ on healthcare.”

 

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Maybe a democrat can view what might be the problem in the republican party.
I've long seen that there are no real leaders in the party.  So many followed along with the Delay style of politics that they all ended up as corrupt and lacking any real vision or purpose.
Newt many be many things, but, vision he had.  He seems to have the ideas and focus and the purpose, but is too flawed to be a candidate.  
Once he left, however, and the era of Delay and bush came in, I think republicans lost their way and failed to develop or find any real leaders.
they first need to purge their party of the remanents of Tom Delay and his cronies and politics before they can rebuild and regain respect and focus.
One thing they can take heart in.  the Democrats went through a similar 'in the wilderness' period.  In the 90s the party lost the focus of what democrats were, moved to right and lost their spine.  We are trying to still find their spines and shove the party back to the left where they are suppose to be.  But, at least we have some true leaders to emerge from the wreckage of the 90s like Howard dean and Barack Obama and john edwards.
I don't think the Ron Paul campaign is in disarray. I was very pleased to see the series of segments from an hourlong interview by John Stossel at ABCNEWS.com and a similar question and answer session with Howard Fineman of Newsweek.com. Would MSNBC be willing to invite Ron Paul to do such an interview? I think that Dr. Paul's candor and focus on the issues rather than superficial, shallow sniping sets a very mature example for all of the candidates from both parties.
Republicans have mostly been running the government for the last generation.  It hasn't worked out.  Time to move on.
When people say things like "Republicans have been running the government for the last generation," and it's "Time to move on," to what is the person suggesting we move on to?  The Democrats?  

Third parties are not particularly viable due to the major parties making it very difficult for them to make a viable run.  If one is suggesting the Democrats replace the Republicans, you are merely asking for another head of the hydra, two faces of the same beast.  Big government neoconservatives or big government liberals aren't far apart ideologically.  They fell from the same tree.  If you want real change you need to look at principles before party platform.  

Only Ron Paul has a consistent ten-term record of abiding by the Constitution.  Only Ron Paul believes that the people are supposed to be protected from the government, not the other way around.  He is the "one exception to the gang of 535" and the man even John McCain once referred to as, "...the most honest man in Congress."  

If you're ignoring his run for president, you're ignoring the one candidate on stage who not only has never been bought by special interests, but whose entire campaign has been built completely by ordinary American people spreading his message and donating their hard-earned money to the tune of $18 million this year.  Ask yourself why every time you see any candidate on the campaign trail, from Giuliani to Obama, there are people with Ron Paul signs there to meet them.  It seems freedom really is popular!
Are there any Republicans left? Those that are not under some type of investigation or should be don't leave to much to choose from.
What do mike vick and george bush have incommon besides their brutish behavior well they both helped to destoy the team they were on .And the people they hurt hte most ,thier supporters are backing them anyway so you see in a nutshell,THANK GOD FOR BUSH HAS DESTOYED THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND HAS TAKEN THEM TO A PLACE OF NO RETURN>
Wow what brain work um rudys fall is because he is filthy with scandal and fox news can hide it no longer
There will be more dirt coming out about Rudy the Rat, because he is dirt bag crimminal.

John B, Eds Moines, IA === Republicans have mostly been running the government for the last generation.  It hasn't worked out.  

Well, year, except for when Johnson, Carter, and Clinton were President, 40+ years where the HofRs was run by Democrats, and of course now when the Democrats run both houses of congress. But other then that, sure, you're right.


|| Time to move on.


Maybe you should. I hear Cuba is nice.


Are there any Republicans left?


That is an excellent question Pacheck, and yes there are. And its a good thing too, else, who would tell the Democrats what to do?
"He [Giuliani] would use government incentives instead of mandates."
--Why not both, wouldn't that be a better sign of leadership and taking the environment seriously?


[GIULIANI: the whole section]
--He is nothing but a joke, and thrives on deception, half-truths and lies.
--Hillary's politics a Bush-Cheney-Lite.  Giuliani's politics AND policies are Bush-Cheney and Bush-Cheney respectively.  I mean, the man is literally a carbon copy of Bush (only with some liberal positions).  He can not win and aside from 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11--sorry broken record--he was in large part a failure as someone with executive experience.  Why does anybody support this nut?  No wonder Faux New loves him disproportionately.



"McCain's use of Michael Bloomberg yesterday in an answer about education during the debate."
--So yesterday it was Gore, today McCain, huh media?  I promise you that Gore is out.  For one thing, he won't play second fiddle to someone else again.  For another, he came down hard on the U.S. in Bali today.  He's absolutely correct, but it makes the U.S. not appear unified, and would be easy to unfairly twist his words as unAmerican.  This would be McCain's for the WH, but why would he take a VP slot?  He's too old to run for Pres. after.
There will be more dirt coming out about Rudy the Rat, because he is dirt bag crimminal. ////


Hillary got ahold of his kindergarden papers too? I sure what ever is in those papers will be crimminal.
Joey Palmotte, 5 of the last 7 presidents have been Republicans, they've controlled at least one house of Congress almost continuously for the last 20 years, and held all three branches of government for several years ending last year.  If there are problems why didn't they solve them?  Incidentally, if you think someone needs to move that's going to have to be you.  I'm an American and I'm busy trying to save my country from the GOP.
I'll be staying here Johnny B. The Republicans have done a lot of good for this country and have made it the great country it is today. And as you admit, the people of this country have elected the Republicans because they know they can get the job done. It's the whiney Democrats like you that continue to tear down everthing good about this country and want to contribute nothing to making it better. Please reserve your ticket to Cuba early, then you can avoid the rush. I'm certain the rest of your type will follow you when the Republicans roll to another huge win next year. All those moves south will go a long way to saving this country. For that, the rest of us will be thankful, because you would have finally made a great contribution to this country.


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