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Congressional Democrats caving?

Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2007 4:19 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC’s Mike Viqueira
Lots of folks are saying that congressional Democrats are caving, capitulating, or otherwise letting the president have his way on everything from the war to domestic spending to taxes. Not so, says Nancy Pelosi.

"This is what is possible. This isn't about caving," Pelosi said this morning. She portrays the stands that she had taken earlier as "a high water mark," essentially a bargaining position.

But oaths had been sworn, vows were taken and lines were drawn in the sand. Pelosi had promised that there would be no more war funding passed by the House beyond the $50 billion with strings attached that they sent over to the Senate pre-Thanksgiving. Now it appears that Democrats have agreed to send the president $70 billion of the $196 billion that he has asked for.

"The assumption that I made...that Republicans would see the light...was an inaccurate one," she allowed. Pelosi says that she will vote against it after allowing it on the floor.

Democrats had pledged that all new spending would be paid for with "offsets" elsewhere in the federal budget. But it appears that relief for middle-income taxpayers subject to the AMT this year will not be offset, $50 billion worth. The Democratic leader Steny Hoyer says that he will vote against this measure after he allows it on the floor.

Democrats had insisted that the level of discretionary spending be $22 billion higher than the $933 billion that the president had proposed. They are now agreeing to the president's number, but say that they are trying to allocate money within that cap in a way more suited to their priorities.

Pelosi appeared before reporters moments after the Senate had rejected a compromise energy bill, yet was upbeat on the prospects for final passage despite the fact that two of the major provisions that she had pushed through the House are clearly going to end up in the trash can. In the end, the mileage CAFE standards are going to stay in, and that is what she chose to emphasize. Today "is a great day for the House," she said.

Today, the Democratic response to negative reviews of their performance has been to essentially say, "Wait until next year." Specifically, wait until November and the next round of congressional elections when Republicans are sure to pay the political price for their support of the war, their opposition to the children's health insurance bill, and what Democrats see as their dilatory and obstructionist tactics.

Democrats hope that that assumption, unlike others made this year, will be accurate.

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Pelosi needs to step down.
She is nothing but talk.
She has no backbone and will not stand up to the president.

If this and if that.
Well she said that the democrats would stand their ground and now look.

She needs to step down, she is weak as water.

Bush and his republican congressional buddies stand in the way of any progress concerning everything that the american people want.INothing will change until they are all booted out of office----My biggest problem with Nancy is when she refused to put impeachment on the table.A big mistake
They have caved in again to Bush, its all over the drudgereport. MANY newspapers are now questioning the effectiveness of Pelosi. Harry Reid being a Mormon as we all know, is spineless and according to Lawrence O' Donnell,  RAcist and pro slavery. The dems in the house are blaming the dems in the senate and vice-versa. The Republicians will  kick our ass in Nov. THIS JUST IN: Top advisor to Hillary RESIGNS, OMG its all falling apart RUN
Agreed that Dems fell for the pundit spin that they shouldn't risk being too "confrontational".  If they're confrontational in getting the people's business done it would make them heroes.
hmit-mi --- My biggest problem with Nancy is when she refused to put impeachment on the table.A big mistak

Hey, there is still time! Lets do it! If its anything like what she did this year, the entertainment we get from it would be endless. Nancy would screw it up so bad, she'd somehow end up impeaching Murtha.
The Dems cut off their nose to spite their face when they put her in that position anyway. She is from where........? ........ Seriously, who in their right mind would take her seriously?
 After voting in every election since 1970,mostly Democratic,I will never vote for another spineless DoNoCrat.Even if Biden makes the cut,my conscience will not allow me to sell out America by voting for a weasely Demonothing.I will cast my vote Independent if McCain doesn't get the nod.Wake up Demobrats and impeach Pelosi,Worst speaker in HISTORY!!!Way to go Demo's you blew a sure election by being SPINELESS.You truly show the WORST TASTE ever by using Oprah(?)as a shill for an unelectable,no experience frontman.Cute.Happy Christmas Repubs.You've won again!!!
This incompetence should not be dismissed. The woman is a screw up!
over and over again, the Dems have gone yellow and caved in to this Admin by trying to swerve into what they think will help them in the '08 elections rather than really attempting to accomplish anything meaningful

if they abandon PayGo, then all is indeed lost

however, far worse than Pelosi has been Reid in the Senate, a complete milquetoast, imo

if the GOP types threaten to filibuster, call them on it..MAKE them stand there and talk, and then call the vote the moment they release the floor...this wimpy bit about counting it as blocked by merely threatening a filibuster is complete idiocy and gives an unscrupulous minority far more Power than was ever intended they have

your mileage may vary
the democrats were giving majority status in order to stop the Bushies from their criminal acts and continuing their illegal wars and they cave every time.
It's time for everyone in the capital to leave and whole new set a real leaders to be elected.
I am so sick of these spineless babies.
Larry O'Donnell is a hack bigot which is all NBC/MSNBC NEWS needs right about now. This particular species of journalistic jingoist is what is wrong with the lamestream media in America today. Worse for the cowardly O'Donnell,whose opinions I would not give a counterfeit nickel for,he appears on conservative commentator Hugh Hewitts radio show in NYC[Dec.10] admitting that ''I got away with saying things about Mormons'',that ''I would not say about Muslims''.''Yes''he replied to Hewitt,''I would be afraid for my life''.''Thanks for your honesty''replieth Hewitt. The gasbag O'Donnell should be deployed forthwith to Siberia,to report on coal futures,reindeer races, or whatnot.
Democrats caving? That's what happens when you are hollow.
The Repubs learned how to work the minority from the Dems. When the Dems would threaten a filibuster you were proud, then a compromise would happen. The Repubs called it obstruction. Now its just reversed. This congress is a joke even for a election year. Is their anyone that really cares for the country on either side. Compromise does not happen when the speaker and the Senate leader are too busy calling the admin names, they make it personal, people they think thats what we as the American people want,name calling, threats, lies from both sides...Is anyone else sick of it? We are a joke!

I dont agree with you, so Im a lieing,stupid,big business loving, Halliburton friend, child hating, slave owner etc... When in reality I just look at things from a different perspective. Neither side is 100% right all of the time. We need each other to survive. Have we forgotten that?

The Dems believe that the governments job is to protect us from business. The Republicans believe the free market will fix everything on its own. The answer is somewhere in the middle. Dems believe that business is there only for the employees benifit. Repubs believe that its to make the owners money. Again the correct answer is somewhere in the middle. All correct answers are between the right and the left. Socialist----Capitolist.

The government can not be all things to all people. The more they "give" you the more they take. There are people that need help, by all means help them. There are people that can and should take care of themselves, by all means let them. We must stop the stupid games or none of us will like what we end up with!!!!
I also say get rid of everyone, replace them with different democrats.I will no further give anyone  my vote without results upfront.I am not voting anyone  in who didn't already change whats wrong.Also the senate and congress need to drop their pay back to 35 K a year.And a 2 term limit in a life time.1200.00 a day is a bit much for these idiots who cant say no to that yahoo in the white house.King George will throw his usual fit and stomp his feet . No one cares anymore. Give America back to the people
Pelosi and Reid may as well declare themselves republicans, they bow to George Bush just as the republican Congressional leadership did for the past seven years. Pelosi views compromise as, " yes Mr. president, whatever you desire." Tis' no wonder the Democrat Congress's apploval rating is a consistant 20%, 10% below that of the President, hope for change is fading fast
This first woman speaker has turned out to be a do nothing.  Get her out and Impeach Bush.
< Pelosi and Reid may as well declare themselves republicans >

No thanks. We don't want them. They're your problem.
Great job Mr.President, Keep them Demotax rolling.
they're a bunch of loser
The past twelve years governmental progress has derailed this nation. The Bush and Clinton years have more conjecture, false hidden agenda. The countries unity and national security collapsed, Mexico invaded this country. Congress rated as the worst in history of this nation, Issues which are mapping out why this nation will disolve.

The election of another Washington self serving paper hanger will bring more conjecture and polical blunders. Americans have been lied to and have lost their voice. """only a fool would continue to support this path to destruction""
The Dem Congress are so inept it is beyond belief. They are nothing more than inexperianced people, the perfect manipulators, clearly, true pathalogical liars, of which they all represent, and those who favor a Democrat must obviouslly prefer to be dooped. Shame.
"Compromise does not happen when the speaker and the Senate leader are too busy calling the admin names,"  Yeah, for some reason I take it personally when people call me a traitor and a terrorist sympathizer for disagreeing with them.  Guess I'm funny that way.  Apparently a lot of Democrats feel the same way.  Of course by the neocons' reckoning about 75% of Americans hate America so I have plenty of company.
lets think, I should ad to my earlier post that I agree with you that most answers are indeed somewhere in the middle.  I'll also say that's pretty hard to do when this morning for I think it's the third week in a row the President is calling a press conference for no other reason than to try to hurt the Democrats politically.  It's pretty hard when Democrats attempt to compromise only to be accused of radicalism on 85% of talk radio shows.  It's pretty hard when the GOP claims a compromise to be taking their first offer or none at all.  I grew up in a conservative household, life long Republicans.  I watched the party move so radically to the right that many of their positions from years ago now align better with the left than the right.  I concluded that the "permanent Republican majority", the "K Street Project", and the "Long War" that aim to keep us on a war time footing with increased police powers and decreased rights for the next 40-50 years represent a serious danger to the American way of life.  I'm in no mood to compromise until the GOP is ready.  Until then compromise is capitulation.
John B, when did we stop believing that both sides loved their country? Not since the time of Lincoln has there been such hate and distrust and fear. The politicians created this climate (both sides). We have all fallen into their bs. Read these blogs, people that have never met calling each other lemming, hate monger, etc.

My take is that I do not want the government to controll every aspect of my life. I truley believe if they controll health care the quality for most Americans will decline. Have you ever been to a state or fed health care facility? There are aprox what 350,000,000 Americans the numbers I recall seeing is 40,000,000 uninsured? Whats that 12% or so? Dont get me wrong that is a lot of people and needs to be addressed. I manage an auto dealership, whats always worked for me was to work %. You dont scrap something that works 88% of the time...tweak it yes, throw it out the door absolutly not.

Is there another way to look at it of course. If you dissagree with me, does that mean you are stupid? no no more than it makes me a child hater or insurance co flunkie.

The American people need to wake up and quit playing the games that the politicians have forced us in, we can dissagree, was it Carl Rove of James Carville? That really dosent matter....What matters is that we recognize what they have done. Oh well thats just my thoughts.....
Our elected officials seem to be spineless windbags. We hope when we vote that the best people will serve our best interest.  How disappointing.  I believe that it is time to elect an entirely new congress and senate and president(IF the 08 election is held).
I'll also say that's pretty hard to do when this morning for I think it's the third week in a row the President is calling a press conference for no other reason than to try to hurt the Democrats politically.  


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What Bush is doing now is what Clinton did for his last six years in office. Grow up you Dems, and grow some nads. You act like you're in second grade.
lets think, 11:44.  Well considered post.  Thanks and if we could do more meeting in the middle the public would certainly be better served.


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