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Yesterday's debate

Posted: Friday, December 14, 2007 9:31 AM by Mark Murray

The New York Times says that Clinton’s answer on her health-care failure from the 1990s (in which she said she learned from her mistake) and Obama’s slight jab at Hillary after he was asked about having former Clinton Administration officials as advisers “were among the few ripples in an otherwise placid 90-minute forum, where, in a sharp departure from past debates, not one of the six Democratic candidates attacked another by name. Instead, with three weeks to go until the first-in-the-nation caucuses there, the candidates took the opportunity to make friendly pitches to Iowa voters. Strategists fear that voters could be turned off by an increasingly negative tone in the campaign.” 

The Des Moines Register writes the theme of the debate was: “Who can most credibly usher in change?”

The Los Angeles Times characterizes the debate as an exchange of "gentle words." More: "The candidates seemed worse for wear. Obama, showing muted energy, talked wistfully of having less than two hours to buy a Christmas tree and trim it with his two young daughters. He raised the question of whether the personal sacrifice of campaigning was worth it -- without answering his own query."

The Politico's Smith: "The debate did not … produce a moment likely to change the direction of the race as the campaign shifts from one fought out in the national media to one whose only significant events take place on the ground in a handful of states - primarily Iowa - and in a media environment muffled by the holidays and the snow."

The Des Moines Register’s Yepsen gives the debate to Biden. “Biden, Chris Dodd and Bill Richardson turned in some of their best debate performances of the 2008 campaign and were the day's biggest gainers. Biden’s showing was the best of the day. The top tier contenders - Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and John Edwards - all had excellent afternoons. But nothing happened or was said to knock Obama off his stride. Since he leads in the polls in Iowa, the event still leaves him ahead in the contest.”
 
And he was critical of his own paper’s format: ”Another problem with Thursday’s debate is - like Wednesday’s gathering of Republicans - it wasn’t a debate at all. There was no interchange between the candidates. While that makes for a polite, civil affair, it also makes for a sleepy one that’s heavy on canned sound-bites.”

Speaking of, the Washington Post's Milbank writes about debate moderator Carolyn Washburn. “Washburn, the earnest and schoolmarmish editor of the Des Moines Register, stunned the political world when she announced, at the beginning of the Republican debate on Wednesday, that she did not want to talk about Iraq and immigration, at least not in any ‘concentrated’ way. She continued that policy Thursday with the Democrats, asking not a single question about Iraq. The words ‘terrorist,’ ‘Iran,’ ‘Pakistan’ and ‘al-Qaeda’ didn't get even a single mention.”

“What did viewers get instead? ‘Tell us your New Year's resolution for 2008,’ Washburn proposed. Groans emanated from the media room down the hall. Hillary Clinton said she would exercise more. Barack Obama said he would be a better father. Richardson pledged to lose weight. Here's a resolution for Washburn: Try not to moderate any more presidential debates.”

The Boston Globe’s Canellos wraps the Democratic debate and says Obama was “thoughtful and presidential, offering wonky details.” More: “Obama has never been a particularly vivid presence in the debates, but yesterday he was boring with a purpose: convincing voters he was no flash in the pan, no meteor headed for a crash landing. His sober, serious performance did him no harm.” Clinton “had a complementary agenda, seeking to add a little more inspiration and uplift to her campaign, which has been sagging in some polls.” He called Clinton’s veiled swipe at Obama (change by hoping for it) and Edwards (demanding it) a “good line.”

At a town hall north of Des Moines, Edwards embraced the veiled attack Hillary Clinton leveled at him (and Obama) on the issue of change at yesterday’s debate, NBC/N’s Tricia Miller reports. Edwards said the debate showed the candidates have “fundamental differences about what it takes to put those ideas into place.” He continued, “I believe we have to demand change in this country, and I think we have to fight for that change. I don’t think it’s going to come on its own. And I’m not talking about fighting with politicians. The last thing anybody’s interested in is seeing a bunch of politicians fight. I’m talking about the president of the United States fighting against the powerful interests that stand between you and all of the things that America needs.”

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Watching the Democrats debate is like watching a conversation between intellectuals who know what the real issues are facing this nation with real solutions.  Watching the Repukes debate is like watching a bunch of priests fighting over the last alter boy.
Kelly:  I guess we stand in different shoes.  I don't need hollow rhetoric; I don't need inspiration; I don't need hope.  I need a proven and experienced leader who can start fixing George Bush's messes the minute he takes office.  For me it's Biden all the way.  I know Biden can restore America's standing in the international community.

EXPERIENCE does matter.  And this election I definitely value experience over inspiration.  Look in 2000 we went with the Washington outsider and abandonned the more experienced candidate Gore.  We ended up with Bush -- the so called uniter; the guy everyone liked and wanted to have a beer with.  That was a BIG MISTAKE.  Trust me, experience and the ability to build political consensus, do matter.

Of the six leading democratic candidates, five have served in the Senate.  Here's a few of Biden's accomplishments -- compare them to any other candidate -- Biden wins hands down:

1.  Sponsored the Biden Crime Bill which put 100,000 law enforcement officers on the streets to fight crime in America (Giuliani couldn't even begin to put a dent in NYC crime without this legislation);

2.  Sponsored the Violence Aganist Women Act which provided the necessary funds and resources to tackle domestic violence;

3.  Champion of civil rights -- he sponsored the renewal and expansion of the Voting Rights Act to ensure everyone's vote is counted regardless of party affiliation, race, gender, or sexual orientation;

4.  Past Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee who led the fight to stop Robert Bork's nomination to the U.S. Supreme Court (Bork would have been a disaster for this country);

5.  Present Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee -- this guy is regarded by his colleagues as the most experienced and knowledgeable in the Congress on matters of foereign affairs; he is well known by foreign leaders around the globe -- most recently the President of Pakistan took his call and Biden gave him an earful on the suppression of human rights and democracy in Pakistan (he didn't take any calls from Clinton, or Obama or Dodd or Edwards or even the Pres. -- it was Biden);

6.  He's the only candidate to offer a workable plan to bring stability to Iraq so we can bring our troops home;

7.  He's the only candidate to get 74 of his Senate colleagues to agree on a plan for Iraq (none of the other candidates could build that kind of political consensus on such a controversial issue; key republican senators have endorsed his plan -- most notably Chuck Hagel in Nebraska and Sam Brownback in Kansas who actually campaigned with Biden earlier this year in support of Biden's plan for Iraq).

I'm going with proven leader in this race.  Biden '08
joe biden doesn't inspire you? a man who lost his wife and daughter in a car accident and has dedicated his life to public service doesn't inspire you? i would have totally collapsed and probably been bitter most of my life if that happened to me! he got up thanked God for what he still had, his 2 sons, and moved on to better this country. to have a iraq plan that passed the senate and is applauded by everyother candidate doesn't inspire you? is he a cheerleader? no. he's a patroit who is dedicated to this country, ethical,intelligent, self depricating, a straight shooter, and even humorous on occassion. he's the best in foreign affairs and why the hell would i want him as sec. of state when he can lead 50 states back to prominence as he is respected aroiund the world and they know he means what he says. that's inspirational in my book.
Who did Oprah endorce in the past, before there was ever a black candidate?? Did she like Al??
Blue state baby (Sent Friday, December 14, 2007 1:02 PM)

Oprah has never endorsed a candidate, including the previous BLACK candidate Jesse Jackson, she felt compelled to support Barack Obama because she genuinely believe his message and believes that he can lead the country in the right direction.
Dot,

I didn't say that it didn't make any difference, but I don't feel the number of years in congress should be the determining factor.  I don't actually know how much more interaction Biden has had with foreign leaders due to his chairmanship, but again, I don't really value that.  I would rather have someone in charge who is not tainted by America's past actions and interactions with the world.  

I do not like the plan Biden has advocated for Iraq, and I do see it as an example of the what's been wrong with our foreign relations.  The reason foreign people don't like America, is because we are always meddling in their business.  If we advocate the splitting of Iraq in order to achieve the piece, then everyone who doesn't like that solution will blame us for years to come.  We are already to blame for screwing this country up, and I agree it would be nice if we could solve their problems.  But we can't.  The Iraqi people must do it on their own.  And if that means that they are better ruled by a dictator than a democracy, then that is what will happen.  In order for a democracy to work, people have to want it bad enough to die for it and they have to be willing to accept the basic concept of it.  That you allow others freedoms, even though you don't agree with them.  And that you agree to be law abiding, even if you are in the minority.  It doesn't seem to me that these people are ready for this.

The reason we are still in Iraq is not out of our moral obligations but because we are afraid that Iraq is going to become best buddies with Iran.  Our mistaken invasion did this, and our country needs to live with the consequences not continue meddling in Iraqi politics.
I think I am entitled to my opinion about who does and doesn't inspire me.  Biden is a great American who has done a lot for this country; I just don't believe he is the best one to lead it into the future.

As for his accomplishments, I wouldn't dispute that he has many and as he's been at this longer, probably more than any other candidate.  I actually get a little disgusted on his behalf, every time Hillary acts like she is the most experienced person running.  But experience is only one factor and not the most important in my mind.

As for the tragedy that occurred in his life, I’m glad he has made his way through it so well.  Now I know I am going to ruffle a lot of feathers with this next comment, but this is my honest opinion.  When I read that article about his past today, if anything, it really made me like him less.  It seemed to me that he just brought this up to reporters out of the blue and that he was trying to use this for political gain.  As being someone who has also suffered personal tragedy, I really didn’t like him bringing it back up to reporters after all these years.  I am sorry if this characterization offends Biden supporters, but that article made me feel differently about him.
LOL . . . bothered by Biden's past (wife and infant daughter killed in an auto accident; two young sons seriously injured; his own fight w/ brain aneurysms), but somehow not bothered with Obama's past (drug use).  Inspiration????
Kelly, please....Biden's personal story wasn't even known to alot of people until just recently.  He never wore that tragedy on his sleeve.  Come on.  It's his life story that shows the type of man he is..the quality of his character.  How can you not be inspired by his personal story.  Many others would have given up or worse killed themselves like my brother in law did after his only child died of leukemia.  Senator Biden has dedicated his life to serving the people of Delaware and the United States and as was pointed out a few posts back by Kato in Des Moines accomplished what few others have.  I'm behind Joe all the way and if he doesn't win the primary, I may eventuallly move from New Jersey to Delaware.
raf, your missing the point entirely.  I am bothered that I think Biden brought this tragedy up out of the blue for political gain.  In order to get some positive press and some sympathy.  Overcoming tragedy and doing good things is noble.  Bringing it up to the press many years later to make yourself look good is not.

Yes, Obama overcame a mistaken youth to do great things.  And this infact may be inspiring to other youths in similar situations.  Biden's story is inspiring to survivors of tragedy.  But in looking for the next president, what I am inspired by are Obama's plans to lead our country forward and his abilities to make them happen.
Mebbe they can name a chicken after Hillary.
Laurie, I am 100% serious.  I was offended that he pushed this story to the forefront.  The NYT article clearly said that a voter asked him a question about negative campaigning and that he abruptly changed the subject to "Let me tell you a story."  It's pretty clear that he planned ahead of time to get this postive story about himself out there.  Nevertheless, it turns my stomache that someone would use the memory of their dead wife and child for political gain in this way.

So in summary.  The story is inspiring, the way he used it, disgusting!
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Desperate --> First of all you need to stop watching Fox News and stop being so afraid of what you don't know. <<

To my knowledge, Fox News has made no such claim. I wouldn't doubt if Hillary's team is hacking that lie around somewhere though. We all know she likes the politics of personal destruction.

Desperate --> MSNBC, you dont really believe Hussein Obama is the best democratic candidate, do you? <<


You seem to like doing the same types of things too. You should sign up to work for Hillary.
Kelly

I find it interesting that you say that you don't value the interaction with foreign leaders that Senator Biden possesses.  How could anyone not see that already having a working relationship with leaders with whom our country needs to reach agreements is a tremendous asset for a president?  He could start working right away; no need to go through the getting to know you--feeling each other out phase.


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