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Edwards, Obama trade rare barbs

Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2007 5:29 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC/NJ's Aswini Anburajan
Independence, Iowa -- Obama took a rare swipe at Edwards this morning in Independence, Iowa. When talking about how to pass universal health care, Obama said that Edwards' approach which involved just beating the drug and insurance companies is unrealistic.

"This is just a little comment, because Senator Edwards, he and I have similar plans and he's done some good work, but he argued that you know Barack, the problem is that he thinks you can negotiate with insurance companies and drug companies, and I just think that you gotta just beat them," Obama said referencing an attack Edwards had made on Obama's approach to health care.

Obama went on to say, "Well you know what the key to getting this done is to empower the American people, but you also have to have negotiataions, and you have to listen. Otherwise stuff is not going to happen. We want to reduce the power of drug companies and insurance companies and so forth, but the notion that they will have no say so at all in anything is just not realistic; it's just not true."

*** UPDATE *** Read about Elizabeth Edwards greeting Obama supporters.
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From NBC/NJ's Aswini Anburajan
Independence, Iowa -- Obama took a rare swipe at Edwards this morning in Independence, Iowa. When talking about how to pass universal health care, Obama said that Edwards' approach which involved just beating the drug and insurance companies is unrealistic.

"This is just a little comment, because Senator Edwards, he and I have similar plans and he's done some good work, but he argued that you know Barack, the problem is that he thinks you can negotiate with insurance companies and drug companies, and I just think that you gotta just beat them," Obama said referencing an attack Edwards had made on Obama's approach to health care.

Obama went on to say, "Well you know what the key to getting this done is to empower the American people, but you also have to have negotiataions, and you have to listen. Otherwise stuff is not going to happen. We want to reduce the power of drug companies and insurance companies and so forth, but the notion that they will have no say so at all in anything is just not realistic; it's just not true."

Edwards responded to the attack at his own town hall later in the day, saying the way to get universal health care is to fight for it.

The two trading barbs may reflect the increasingly tightened race in Iowa and the scramble for votes. Obama's bus tour through Iowa, hitting Waterloo, Mason City and Charles City today is in the rural north central part of the state where Edwards' support is strong, but where Obama can possibly cull some support and be a viable second place choice in the caucuses. Tonight, both Obama and Edwards will campaign in Mason City.

*** UPDATE *** Elizabeth Edwards greets Obama supporters
From NBC/NJ's Tricia Miller
WATERLOO, Iowa -- It was supposed to be a routine stop at a field office to greet staff and make a few calls. Elizabeth Edwards arrived with Kevin Bacon at Edwards' Waterloo field office to find about six staff and volunteers inside calling caucus-goers. She made a few calls herself, urging Iowans to attend a Monday event in Des Moines and thanking faithful volunteers.

Then Edwards stepped outside the office, and as reporters stood poised to tape her walk back to the Main Street Express, the former senator's wife took a sharp right. A media crowd followed her to the front door of the Obama office next door. As mostly African-American Obama volunteers filed back into the office, they were surprised to shake the hand of none other than their rival's wife.

"It's great to see people working hard," she said. "Look me in the eye, and shake my hand. We're on the same team. Thank y'all. Appreciate y'all working so hard. I bet you look even more handsome smiling. You should try it."

A tall man toward the back of the line didn't recognize the woman shaking everyone's hand.

"Who are you, ma'am?" he asked.

"I'm Elizabeth Edwards, John's wife," she replied.

"Oh! Nice to meet you!" he replied, his eyes wide.

The candidate's wife shook a couple more hands and trudged back to the bus, a trail of staffers and still-surprised reporters trailing behind.

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Why do you reporters insist on calling the candidates' distinctions/contrasts "ATTACKS?" Could you please respond and tell all of us reading these articles and updates why you continue to use that particular language when reporting the candidates strategies on narrative? Please, please let the American readers know your incentive for doing this because some of us think it is counter-productive and distracting.
Edwards is right---not Obama------Edwards has fought with these big corporations and won for the little people---has Obama?Somebody must know.
Obama/Edwards in '08!
I wish Al Gore would run.
Domenico and Aswani,

I think you should make the correction on the previous story on Obama about troop withdrawal before posting more new stories.
first,,this wasn't an attack,,it was a comment about differences in how to approach the problem..I agree with Edwards though,,the insurance companies need to be beaten, not negotiated with,,and second..I love Elizabeth Edwards...
"Look me in the eye, and shake my hand." Um...
I would hardly call these barbs - they were very civil contrasts between the two plans - and no mention of cocaine or kindergarden!  That would be the other candidate
One more thing. I need to agree with one of the previous posters. STOP CALLING EVERYTHING A FREAKING ATTACK! It's really starting to get ridiculous.
This is unreal.  On the Republican side.  Huckabee has lied on his resume yet again.  He said that he held a degree in Theology, he does not.  He then said he held a degree in Religion, he does not.  Come to find out his degree is in Communications.  Are you kidding me, how does someone like this rise up in the polls.  I guess it shows you how easy we Americans are to fooled.  Wake up America the Huckabee you think you know is a fraud.
Edwards and Obama are both good men
They're both reformers
Either would be good nominees
Both on one ticket would be best !!

Obama/Edwards
Edwards/Obama

Come on, Iowa !!
edwards has dealt with large organizations, he knows how they operate.  doesnt the public realize that the big companies control goverment & everything else?  after all, how many of the persons in goverment have a link financially to large companies including the oil cartels.    grow up, government has no idea what it is like to live on the average american salary.  big companies dont care.  how many years has our families been poisoned in one way or another by chinese products.  communist countries dont care about our health & neither do big business. we need a fighter in goverment. at least Edwards came from average persons & had to educate & work for what he has acheived.    
Yes, Barack has beaten the lobbyist. In the Senate, he introduced legislation to curb the influence of lobbyists. Lobbyists can no longer offer gifts, planes, or meals to influence votes, this was opposed by both Republicans and Democrats. He also took on the lobbyists in the Illinois Senate to pass health care reform. I agree that Edwards has fought for the little people in the court room, however this is totally different because its Edwards vs. the Corporations but he NEEDS to find 60 votes in the Senate to pass bills,  and this only can be one by NEGOTIATING!
this is a hard one for me. these are the two candidates i am trying to decide on. i understand edwards saying you have to fight them. i really do, but to think you aren't going to have to negotiate with them isn't right either.

they are major players that own that industry. you can't force them in court or legislate them into compliance to run their business in accordance with public opinion.

we can legislate some things but they are going to have to be negotiated with. i will agree with hillary on the fact that you must sit down with this industry and hammer this issue out. you are absolutely not going to force them to concede to everything by simply fighting them. as good as it sounds it is not realistic.

these two are stating their differences on the issue. this is in no way an attack upon each other.
Edwards/Obama 08 , Obama/... '16
I really like Elizabeth Edwards - she's has such a strong a positive spirit!
Actually since they are calling everything Hillary says about another candidate an attack they should do the same for Obama and Edwards.  That has been the biggest falicy of this campaign and that is Obama and Edwards have gotten a pass on the idea of negative campaigning.
On The Charlie Rose Show a few weeks ago, Edwards had a chance to explain his approach to working with corporations, and it sounded very reasonable.  This isn't a direct quote, but he said something like, "Of course they will have a voice in policy decisions ... It just won't be the only voice, and it won't be more important than the voice of the American people."  It was a good interview; you can probably access it through pbs.org.  One other note: I read a few articles today by Paul Street about why Obama and Clinton are both "neo-dems", or establishment candidates, and Edwards is the one who can bring substantive change to the system.  Here is what sealed the deal for me in favor of Edwards: A Republican strategist (I think his name was John Feehan, something like that) said on MSNBC recently, "We would be happy with either Obama or Hillary because they're beatable.  Edwards is the one who scares me ... He's a southern Democrat, and they're the ones who win."  
Off what OhioMom said:
"A Republican strategist (I think his name was John Feehan, something like that) said on MSNBC recently, 'We would be happy with either Obama or Hillary because they're beatable.  Edwards is the one who scares me ... He's a southern Democrat, and they're the ones who win.' "

see the video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir5Ee2CE-8Q
NO more Clinton dynasty and corrupted Health Industry.

!!! VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA !!!

Obama is naive on this one and Hillary is far too obligated to Drug companies because 0f campaign money to negotiate from a position of strength. When Edwards ( the trial attorney)says one must fight, what he means is one must negotiate from a position of strength, and one must convince the opponent that they have the most to lose by refusing to negotiate an acceptable settlement. In other words, the one who brings the biggest stick to the fight usually gets the best of the deal, and the president carries a very big stick. One must remember corporate giants did not attain their wealth  by being charitable, nor do they make consessions unless they are forced. And John Edwards is very experienced at how to go about getting an acceptable response from a reluctant participant...                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Any of the 3 Democratic front runners for the Whitehouse would be fine with me, but BE WARNED DEMOCRATS: If you don't stick together and support each other, you are going down to defeat AGAIN in 2008!  
I think it is interesting how Edwards and Obama have rarely gone after each other. Perhaps those two will be on the democratic ticket? One thing i'd like to address is the "double standard" that was stated earlier in labeling attacks. Well its apparent to me that indeed there is a double standard on Hilary. However it has also been apparent these past few weeks that Clinton and Obama, and Clinton and Edwards have been making attacks on each other. While this exchange of words between Edwards and Obama was just an exchange of words. Not quite sure why Obama and Edwards don't go after each other harder.
Anyone who has formed opinions about John Edwards from the MSM reporting over the past year, you can see the real man at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4sBQbIRtSA .  It's worth the time.
The Obama/Edwards exchange is a discussion of differences of policy, NOT ATTACKS.  The Clinton camp practices dishonest allegations and personal attacks on character, then calls it a joke, or   Elizabeth Edwards is a sincere, charming woman. Perhaps Senator Obama may name her husband as a running mate when Obama is nominated.  Obama 08!
Amy the presidency would be a demotion for Al Gore.
Obama won't confront the Corporate lobbyists who've funded his political career.
He could have begun "changing Washington" when he entered the U.S. Senate. Instead, he continued taking brib....er donations from Corporate lobbyists until 2007.
Edwards has never taken a dime from corporate lobbyists.

Recently free ride for Obama from political press corps, and it feels besieged as it has to bat away incessant questions with Obama's significant shifts, flip flopping on issues such as Patriot Act, Defense of Marriage Act, Fast Track trade authority and benefits for same-sex couples. Given how little experience  Obama has, its understandable that his campaign doesnt want any kind of focus on his record, These stories clearly raise questions about Obamas electability and serve as a stark reminder about how little the public knows about his positions. The Illinois chapter of the National Organization for Women, Obama said he would vote to repeal the Patriot Act. In 2006 Obama voted for the redrafted version of the Patriot Act that some critics contended made only minor changes to the original law. On Defense of Marriage Act Obama answered No,to the question: "Do you support repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act. On Fast Track authority, which requires Congress to vote yes or no and without amendments on pending trade deals, Obama opposes Fast Track authority because it is a usurpation of Congress' role to ensure that negotiated trade agreements serve the best interests of our country, including protection of the environment, worker rights and human rights.In remarks to the Detroit Economic Club in May, Obama said, I plan to be president, so I actually want Fast Track. But I'm willing to constrain myself in Fast Track to make sure that we’ve got strong labor and environmental protections.On benefits for same-sex couples, Obama said,  he would need to evaluate the fiscal impact of extending Social Security benefits to same-sex couples that married couples currently receive. Also Barack Obama (D-IL)involved in a suspicious real estate deal with an indicted political fundraiser, Antoin Tony Rezko. Obama also linked to an alleged influence peddling scandal and was nabbed conducting campaign business in his Senate office, a violation of federal law.
If Hillary wins the nomination, I will vote for a Non-Democrat for President for the first time in my life.

Not a barb, not even a sticker, geez these politicos are salivating for a fight. Both of these guys have a lot more integrity than that, though earlier, Edwards was certainly more in the attack dog mode - and Elizabeth continues in her attack kitten mode. I love her, but love Michelle too. Go Obama - he is my man. Edwards seems a little too desperate even now - saw him on on the AM shows today, too much blinking - very distracting. What do body language experts say about excessive blinking? Dont know, but it leaves me cold.
Imagine how unbeatable a team of Obama and Edwards would be.  Biden as Sec. of State.  What a team!  There would be no question that the country would be back on track. Also, either Michelle Obama or Elizabeth Edwards would be terrific first ladies.  Funny how Hillary doesnt seem to fit in with these other great candidates that will work well together.  


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