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Paul talks respect, cash, legalizing hemp

Posted: Monday, December 17, 2007 4:23 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC/NJ's Carrie Dann and NBC's Andy Merten
DES MOINES, IA -- For Ron Paul, it's about respect.

After a record $6 million-dollar haul from a single day of fundraising yesterday, Paul says that his campaign is gaining steam and his message is showing its resonance. And, he says, he's finally getting some street cred.

"Actually, there's a better rapport now with other Republicans when I go on the House floor," he said in response to a question about how fellow Republicans are reacting to his alternative anti-war message. "I think they respect fundraising. And their antennas are up!"

"They're having trouble raising money," he added. "So there's some respect for this."

Paul's record-breaking fundraising haul -- almost entirely organized online by activists not directly connected to the campaign -- is raising eyebrows here in Iowa, where Paul could potentially be a spoiler to a more mainstream candidate if he finds a way to mobilize his supporters. With the big bucks, he said, "we'll continue to buy television, do a lot of radio, a lot of direct mail." 

Paul also said that the "surprising" take lends some legitimacy to his run, but that it's disheartening that it's only cash that has attracted media attention. "It looks to me like money talks," he said. "I'd like to think ideas talk."

The Texas congressman, who held a brief press conference here to address his fundraising, said that he may not have enough time to “harness all this momentum and all this money coming in” before Iowa, but that he believes his campaign is now in “good shape” to last through the February 5th primaries and caucuses.

Asked how he expects to do in the Iowa caucuses, Paul replied, “I think we’re going to do well,” he said. “I’m not making any predictions; I’d be very disappointed if I came in last, of course.”

Despite the new respectability, Paul's not letting his less conventional side go. Responding to a question about ethanol subsidies, he demonstrated the free-hearted sentiment that has garnered support among libertarians and new young voters. "I think there's a chance that you might get more ethanol if you raised hemp," he responded. "But hemp is illegal in this country. So in my idea of a free society, a farmer would be allowed to raise hemp."

"Not only would that be a good product possibly to make ethanol," he concluded excitedly. "There might be a whole lot of other products you could make with hemp. Like the Canadians do!"

Paul also repeated that he has no plans to run as an independent, should he not win the GOP nomination.   

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check it out desperate.. if the constitution doesnt say that we CAN fund education.. then guess what it was left for the states to decided what to do with it... amazing.. never knew the constitution had to say we cant do that... you know the constitution doesnt say murder is illegal... does that mean we can do it?  your silly take you blinders off... oh yeah im pretty sure capatalism was an idea long before adam smith and his trading company came about..

read what our founding fathers had to say about letting a private bank control our money and how it would destroy us.

YOU SHOULD NEVER TRADE LIBERTY FOR SAFETY, IF YOU DO YOU DESERVE NEITHER AND WILL LOSE BOTH!
Oh great...between the opium poppy growers, that just so happen to be from muslim founding and supporting countries, to the eutopian liberals that have been up in so called "intellectual smoke" for years, this country is headed for trouble. But hey.....pot smokers are harmless.Right? And of course Obama doesn't condone the selling of harder drugs that would make America stoned and stupid. Don't get me wrong. I'm sure supporters of harder drugs will be quite happy in ways while the rest of us deal with reality.
Paul gets alot of respect from me in that I am pretty sure he's never called anyone a traitor or a terrorist because they disagree with him.  He's still wrong about pretty much everything though.  
RP is the FIRST presidential candidate that I am voting for (as opposed to voting against 'the other guy').  While I doubt that he will win, I would like to point out one big reason why:  the media ignores him.  Even Faux News has not put up a story about his RECORD fundraising haul.  On the other hand... a candidate that can pull in more than $6M in 24 hours without any campaign involvement in the fundraising and who gets consistently shafted by the media...  Perhaps we are looking at a CA Prop 13 type scenario - all the big wigs say no, but get spanked by "We the people" who say YES for the Dr. NO rEVOLution!!!
Tancredo will kills all dem mecksicans,WOOOOHOOOOO!
www.essembly.com
Why was it that we need the FBI, or the CIA? Are the commies going to get us if we are unable to root out their spies? Will we be unable to spot countries that are creating Weapons of Mass Destruction? Because any nuclear programs will create weapons, nuclear weapons will always be aimed at America if they get built... right? Huh? Is that not what the United Nations is supposed to be doing anyway?

What part of Paul's message is so terrible? If America were not so dependent on federal funds in education (like the gentleman in VA) would that not be a place that Paul might look to ease spending instead of outright cutting it? Congress is still there to help the future president to make the cuts that we need.

Desperate needs desperately to ease off the ad-hominems and red herrings, for logical fallacies should not be part of the political. It is mudslinging to call all the Paulers conspiracy crazys and truthers. Whatever. Any statement that condemns all of a group is highly likely to be aimed at inciting sentiment that obscures the real issues. It is the nature of such Gorgias-ly sophistic sidelines.

It would be refreshing to have less money spent on Federal programs (like the much maligned Wars in the East). It would be nice if states could decide if Medical Marijuana was alright in there state (i.e. no more DEA raids on medical marijuana facilities). It would be nice if we could spend more money at the state levels where it is easier to create effective policies for a smaller area. What works for CA is not necessary in AK, so a relaxation of federal programs and taxation would aid constituents to better tailor the programs that they need....

Why not legalize drugs and use the money built from the taxation to do something other than fund bombing runs or over administrate education? I hope people like desperate stay desperate, and Paul changes some things that have grown out of control for many years.
Desperate,

Your comment:

"Tell me where in the Constitution it says that we cannot fund federal education or health care for that matter."

Shows that you do not understand the Constitution. It was not created to tell us what the feds cannot do. It was created to limit them to the few things which they may do (and education is not one of them).
Desperate,
The 10th amendment to the U.S.Constitution states that the Federal Government is allowed to do only those things that the Constitution says it can, the rest is left to the States.  So, if the Constitution does not specifically say that the Federal Government can be involved in education, healthcare, etc, then those things are State matters and the Feds are to "keep out". Our forefathers intentionally designed it this way because they knew that unless government is held in check, it will eventually destroy our freedoms (which it has been doing).
I support Dr. Paul because it would seem that he is the only candidate that understands economics, the monetary system, foreign policy and the federal government's role in relation to these things.  I certainly haven't heard any of the other candidates talk in depth and intelligently on any of these subjects.  But I'd be happy to be proved wrong because unfortunately I don't think Paul will be able to make  it past the primaries.
Ron Paul is this years , " I don't give a darn about politics " candidate. Let's all humor him and throw him a $ 5.00 bone in protest . Who knows , maybe the dog , has some bite . Was that Ross Perrault or Will Ferrell giving him some advice last week ? Just keep the jokes coming .
"I wonder what would happen if the Ron Paulers actually thought about what would happen if we abolished the federal education funding."
Control of education would be returned to parents and communities, where it belongs!!!!
Ron Paul for President!!!!
To Desperate,

You're missing the point.  Tell me where in the Constitution does it state that the Federal Government CAN fund federal education.

The federal goverment is granted enumerated powers in the Constitution.  In otherwords, if the Constitution does not grant explicit power to the federal government in certain areas, it cannot act.  At all.

At least learn how about federalism works.
It seems as though the people who don't care for Ron Paul are simply so far into the Government take care of us mentality that they have completely lost the idea of being free thinking, responsible, and self reliant individuals.  What a pity, that is truly the American dream . . . to be free to try on our own.  I would imagine that if Edison had to comply with all the litigation and regulations that we have in our country now that we would have never been able to enjoy the light bulb!!!  Your giving it all away and its as though you are rooting for a football team instead of a philosophical ideal that 'used to be America'!!!
The difference between Democrats and Republicans has been marginalized by money and power (war and oil, etc).   None of the Democrats running or in Congress, nor the Republicans running or in Congress are honest or ethical. Ron Paul is a man of principal and truth.  If you cannot vote with your own mind, you should not even vote.
The tenth ammendment, Desperate.
I think everyone in this country and the world should open their eyes and educate themselves as to what is really going on in this country, the world for that matter.  We all better hope that Ron Paul wins this upcoming election.  If not, we are truly doomed.  It's called End Game!  Have you seen it?  Better open your eyes America and take notice.  Population reduction (Chemtrails), Existing Jail camps (operational in Texas). Does any of this sound similar to good old Mr. Hitler?  Ron Paul is the only Candidate that can and will restore our great nation.  Too many Americans have deft ears and blind eyes to what's really happening.  There are more of us then there are the Bilderbergs, etc., that run this entire planet.  There's force in numbers.  We can turn all of this around if we elect the proper politicians into office and get rid of the Central Banks of the world, etc.  America, OPEN YOUR EYES and do the right thing.  Ron Paul for President 2008!
Americans had better wake up Ron Paul is a career politician ! please ! but atleast he is talking about change.And America needs a change from corp,america bought pola ticks sucking the life out of AMERICA.If Ron Paul is able to and does half of what he says he will then it will be a shot in the arm for us all that may imunize us from an over powered Gov. thats out of control.Thats right out of our control we the people,you know a gov,of the people by the people for the people.Not a gov of the corp america,for corp america.We need America back for those who love her,and have fought to defend her and some of the youngsters commenting here who never have and most likely never would!Do something to take her back or loose her forever!Ron Paul may just open the door for American to bring her back to what she was meant to be And that is the land of the free!Not the land of the taxed to death and sold to the highist bidder!
Michael from Arlington

>> Tell me where in the Constitution it says that
>> we cannot fund federal education or health care
>> for that matter.

Tell me where in the constitution it says that the Federal Government CAN fund education or health care.  Wasn't the only pressing reason for the Fed to exist, to build an army to oppose the Brits?  Anything else was never meant to exist.
I have voted in all elections I could for the past 35 years.  I have never been excited about any candidate that I've ever voted for---they're all a bunch of Politicians.  I've never seen a true Statesman run for office.  It hasn't mattered who gets into office, they all do the same thing---raise taxes and/or increase spending, drive-up the deficit, increase government intrusion into our lives, police the world, etc.  Ron Paul has cured my apathy.  He is a true Statesman and I'm excited about the "change of course" should he be elected.  A win for Ron Paul is NOT a win for Democrats, and is NOT a win for Republicans; but a win for Ron Paul IS a win for America!!
Desperate, Overland Park KS

the Federal Government is not to create all these federal programs that undermine the STATES and limit our liberties and not protect the Sovereignty of the country and the borders.  Eliminate the Department of Education, yes, look at the decline of education in this country, and please do not be blind about it.  the Federal government does a great job of messing things up when they try to control everything UNCONSTITUTIONALLY.  
I think Ron Paul is the first man I can remember that is prinicpled and really wants to change the failed policies that are destroying this country.  Our country is within 5 years of a financial collapse under current spending and debt exposure.  There will be no more America and we will go the way of the Roman Empire if we do not radically change our way of life.  Join the Revolution!  Vote Ron Paul.
If Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich would run on the same ticket they would beat any other contenders hands down. They both have the support of the young people in this country. If a ticket can get all the young people out to vote as well as raise funds they'd be unstoppable. These two candidates differ on alot of topics but agree on the most important issues affecting us and the world (they differ on most subjects with their respective parties as well). If they ran together and found common ground in the areas they differ, instead of holding firm in those areas, they would be elected and they could do so much good for this country and the world. Check out their voting records on key legislations - they are nearly always together and sometimes the only two that vote against wasteful legislation. The corporate media is trying to paint them both as nuts (we know who owns the media) so they will be unelectable but the power of the internet is unstoppable and young people everywhere are talking about these two men of integrity. Let's make this election change the course of our country set by all the previous corrupt leaders, vote for Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich (if they do well but don't end up representing their parties) we will persuade them to run together as independents and the nation and the world will see them freely debate the issues against the other candidates.
Oh yeah Desperate, Overland Park KS

It shows the politcal mentality when you call Ron Paul supporters Idiots etc.....   Crazy?  You mean the rest of the Republicans and all the Democrats, well then, yes they are Crazy and working together to destroy the USA.  Ron Paul is the person to make the USA stronger.  I hope you wake up and see the truth.  
RE: Desperate in KS.  Talk about a hater.  I am a independent non hippie.  Ron Paul may not be the establishment candidate but he or the movement isnt going anywhere.  The money is now there.  And the internet has taking the decision making away from the media and given it to the people.  Now will the turn out to vote.....I hope so.
All those scared about the GOALS of eventually getting rid of Federal Programs in favor State run ones.  Remember, we have a Congress, these things don't happen overnight.  The ridiculous scare tactics are a joke.

Watch this: Drew Ivers, Iowa Chairman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wo7G6j6bi4
Ron Paul supporters must be smoking all that hemp if they actually believe he can win ANY primary. He is the Dennis Kucinich of the GOP. Kinda wacky and entertaining but with no serious potential.
Desperate you are just that!Desperate for attention or real info. Im not sure witch one you need but in an atempt to be nonjudgemental just take a look for yourself!The path were on does not work For you for me for America!We need a more people focused gov.not more liberal corp,america gov. Lets try something new and if it doesent work we can try something else new.And maybe we will be fortunate and find something truly great like OUR country use to be.So get you head or wallet out of your ass and take a real look at Ron Paul befor you spout off about someone based on propaganda or what you were payed to say by MSNBC
Desperate,

You need to do more research.  All the Dems voted FOR the Iraq war, and FOR the Patriot Act, and FOR the Military Commission Act, and I haven't heard any of the top 3 condemn Torture.

None of them could even say they would have the troops out by 2013.  Doesn't sound very against the war to me.
The two-party primary system will doom Paul. The Libertarian Party is split between the Dem, Rep, and Independents. All Paul supporters would have to switch their registration to Rep to give R. Paul half a chance.

Desperate:  You talk of Alex Jones as he is a everyday name, obviously that is your goal to do that in an attempt to discredit Paul. Are you afraid of the status quo being no longer in effect as the major corp. and media outlets prefer which maintains their position of power in this country. Do you realize that when companies are more powerful thatn countries national borders tend to disapear. Be careful for what you wish for. And in regard to the Alex Jones statementt hat is not the case, R. Paul's supporter with the most notoriety is Drew Carey, now the host of the Price is Right. If he were to unfluence that very famous show's fan base, he could have the same effect that Oprah is having on Obama. The extemism you are accusing Mr. Paul is misleading in the case already mentioned in this blog that he would be bound by congress as other elected Libertarians nationwide are. Attempting to mislead the young, internet savy voting bloc will only backfire
Why does MSNBC accurately report the $6 million raised online, but continues to say that it was $5.2 million on the TV crawler?  
Why does MSNBC accurately report that Ron Paul raised $6 million online, but continue to show a TV crawler that it was $5.2 million?
Desperate has had his comments posted 4 times on here thats 2 times more than anyone else.does this not seem suspect to anyone. I have made 3 comments myself and not 1 has been posted MSNBC !!
The issue with education is the same as any FEDERAL centralization issue.  When you rely upon the FEDERAL government to run things, you are going to waste a LOT of money, and the quality of whatever it is you are trying to get decreases drastically.  It also drives up the cost of said service.  When you look at all of the Federal beauracracies we have today, and look at how much money goes in, then compare the product to privately, or locally run services, you will see the inefficiencies.  When you centralize, you sacrifice quality and you get less for your dollar.  Paul wants to shrink government, let people keep their money, and let the local government handle itself.    

Before you criticize, I suggest you learn what Dr. Paul's stance on these issues really is; you will realize that he is a REALIST, not some kook who thinks he can shut off these programs like a light switch.  It will take time, and moreover, it will take a change in out entitlement mentality, for any real change to occur.

Do you like paying income taxes?  
Desperate, Overland Park KS:

How about the 10th amendment:
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

For too long all three branches of our Federal government have conveniently ignored and dismissed this amendment as they have increase it’s power over the states (and thus more power/money for themselves.)

You may also want to read The Federalist Papers No. 45.

His a little snippet for you:
“The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined.  Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite.  The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected.  The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.” - Madison
Desperate,

The US Constitution is not written in the way you suggest.  Of course, it doesn't say we can't have federalized healthcare or education but it also doesn't say we can.  The Constitution is a grant of limited power from the States to the Federal Government.  Look at Article I Section 8 THE POWERS OF CONGRESS.  It list out specifically what Congress has the power to do (such as to establish a post office and declare war).  If Congress had the power to do anything more then the Constitution would not need to specifically list out the enumerated powers, it would simply state that Congress can do whatever it wants.  It doesn't and the reason it doesn't is because they only have the limited set of powers granted to Congress by the Constitution.
It makes no sense to have FEDERAL funding of education, it should be handled at the STATE (or local) level.  That doesn't mean we shouldn't pay for it with public funds, of course!  But federal funding means a big, messy, one-size-fits all program like No Child Left Behind.  Instead, it makes sense to let the states handle their own education.  This way, different states can try programs appropriate for them, and experiment, and if one state has a great education system, other states can copy it.

The schools will have as much money as before.  Instead of paying more taxes to the federal government to dole out to the schools, you can pay taxes to your state or local governments, to give to the schools.  This ought to result in more funding, since channeling your money through the federal government is inefficient.

The nuance of this discussion is often lost, unfortunately.  People hear things like "drop federal funding of education" and think that RP supporters are against public education.  In fact, they are for it, and would do it better than the current administration!  The same concept carries over to many other aspects of government.  And this is what the Constitution and the Founders intended: it's problematic to do things at the national level, so the states should be free to do what they want, unless it really needs to be done at the national level (for example, a national army).
Desperate from KS, please let me know whether you are in favor of public education in general, or specifically of handling public education at the national level (like No Child Left Behind).  I am of course in favor of public education, but I'm against federal control of it - there's no advantage and tons of disadvantages, NCLB being a great example.  RP has the same view, but it can be hard to see it because the media often condense important points like this.
Desperate -- one more thing:

We Paulers have read the Consitution (and no, it isn't nutty).  And we know how it is set up and why it was set up the way it did.  It very clearly laid out the powers of the federal government.  And, as the Tenth Amendment states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited it by the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

This means that if the federal government can't do it it's up to the states.  You show me where it says the federal government CAN be involved in things like education (not to mention marriage and abortion).  What's good for some states aren't good for all of them.  And the Founders didn't wanted the federal government involved as little as possible.

There is nothing remotely resembling federal jurisdiction in things like education, marriage and abortion.  Therefore they are all state issues.  And if some states want to do things that other states won't allow that's perfectly fine.

That's the U.S. Constitution that's on the wall in my classroom and in the textbooks my students use.  Which constitution have you been reading?
When the average donation from yesterdays record haul amounts to $102 per donor,it appears the masses are listening. Alex Jones has been a long time supporter of Ron Paul. But Ron Paul is generating this surgence on his own merits.
Dear Desperate, Overland Park KS,

You clearly harbor some anger against Ron Paul and his consituents.

Furthermore it is completely innappropriate for you to call Ron Paul's followers "morons," "peons" and "losers."

It's very obvious you are on someone's payrolls in the manner you try to associate "Paulers" with Alex Jones. Alex Jones' reach is very limited. You cannot explain Ron Paul's success by just attempting to smear him in his associate with Alex Jones.

There are literally hundreds of thousands of people supporting Ron Paul who don't know a thing about Alex Jones or care to.

And to be further clear about something that belies your lineage, Ron Paul is not advocating violent revolution of any kind, the occupation of any buildings, or using force of any kind in their efforts.

If you studied the law you would know that these types of things are soon to be illegal thanks to the Bush Regime. Give all the hype and name calling a rest and present positions with opposition not facts with rhetoric.

Finally, TRY SIGNING YOUR POSTS WITH YOUR NAME or we can all just dismiss you as another paid coward.



There seems to be some confusion about Dr. Paul's stance on education.  Education is best left to the local level with local funding so power is in the hands of local officials and the parents.  You don't need some career bureaucrat in washington running your local school from thousands of miles away.  And you don't need your taxes raised to pay for his bloated salary.
Ron Paul makes sense to me. Although some of his ideas would create a rough transition if implemented. I wonder if America has the will to implement change at all. Are we going to have 4 more years of tweedledee and tweedledum politics?
There are some blatant lies about Dr. Paul that I'm reading...He WOULD NOT cut benefits for veterans...he has explicity stated that we need to provide health care and benefits for veternans.  Please do your homework on Dr. Paul before you lie about him in public.
How many candidates are currently on the Iowa ballot?... 8 or 9? If so, why is it that Ron Paul is the only person labeled as a "spoiler"? Does anybody in the media even know what that word means? (I'll give you a hint... it only applies in a 3-way race, when you have two candidates who have a similar political stance on the issues.) If you don't understand why this term doesn't apply here, you haven't been paying attention.

BTW... while we're on the subject ... Does anybody in the media know that this "spoiler" problem could easily be avoided if we instituted IRV (Instant Run-Off voting)? Do our democracy a favor and mention this the next time this "spoiler problem" comes up in a general election.

And, lastly . . . Does anybody in the media have any idea how foolish they appear every time they demonstrate their ignorance of the above two points?
Don't forget the federal government only funds 10% of education cost and has tripled the cost of education. At the same time test scores have gone down across the board.  Let the local govenments do their job the fedral government is only in the education game to dumb down the public.
When will the true Americans stand up and be counted this country is broken and it is time to fix it. If you don't agree take your head out of the sand and take a look around. I am 52 years old and can see the degeneration of all aspects of the American way. Things weren't perfect in the past but we had some in Washington that were willing to give there all to try and keep us on the straight, without fearing losing there doners and lobbyist. I believe it is time to reclaim the dream of the founding fathers, who gave us a way to overthrow the government in a bloodless coup. The process is called voting. Anyone that thinks we should continue down the path we are on is not thinking of the greater good. Or is thinking it is not there job, let someone else do it, my life is good at the moment and I don't want to make waves in my life. The future is not my problem. As a lifelong Dem. I say I am proud of you Ron Paul for saying what needs to be said. And never wavering in your devotion to America. I am tired of hearing the same worn out answers to the same old stale questions in politics I have switched parties to give you my vote. Keep on keeping on.
Unfortunately there are way too many uneducated and/or underhanded posters here posting false information about Ron Paul.

The man is not crazy, would not instantly end any financial programs supporting education, medicne, or social security.

The facts are that he is a medical doctor with a degree from one of the nations most respected institutions, Duke University.  Additionally, he has been very clear in interviews and on his website that he would never implement programs to immediately end funding for education, health care, social security, or any other programs that people rely on.

Please dont get your information from this blog where there are people out there trying so smear a man who has led a life that is impecibly squeeky clean, especially compared to others in this race.

Use google, and use youtube to find out Ron Paul's positions on the issues, stop listening to angry people acting like children on the internet.
"I wonder what would happen if the Ron Paulers actually thought about what would happen if we abolished the federal education funding."

We wouldn't be throwing our money away for a failed system!   from http://mwhodges.home.att.net/education.htm

(data source released 4 December 2007 > http://www.pisa.oecd.org/pages/0,2987,en_32252351_32235731_1_1_1_1_1,00.html)

2006 OECD Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA)
Science and Math ... 15 year-old students ... below average
U.S. 15 year olds ranked 29th in Science - U.S.A rank # 29

Here's a partial listing of examination rankings in the Science series.

Finland was the highest-performing country on the PISA 2006 science scale. Six other high-scoring countries were: Canada, Japan and New Zealand and the partner countries/economies Hong Kong-China, Chinese Taipei and Estonia. Australia, the Netherlands, Korea, Germany, the United Kingdom, the Czech Republic, Switzerland, Austria, Belgium and Ireland, and the partner countries/economies Liechtenstein,Slovenia and Macao-China also scored above the OECD average.

Rankings first 30 nations in the Science series > Finland, Hong Kong-China, Canada, Chinese-Taipei, Estonia, Japan, New Zealand, Australia, Netherlands, Liechenstein, Korea, Slovenia, Germany, England, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Macao-China, Austria, Belgium, Ireland, Hungary, Sweden, Poland, Denmark, France, Crotia, Iceland, Latvia, U.S.A., Slovak Republic.

U.S.A. scored below avearage in the Science series, at ranking position #29.

U.S. 15 year olds ranked 35th in Mathematics - U.S.A. rank #35

Mathematics Performance > Finland and Korea, and the partners Chinese Taipei and Hong Kong-China, outperformed all other countries/economies in PISA 2006. Other countries with mean performances significantly above the OECD average were the Netherlands, Switzerland, Canada, Japan, New Zealand, Belgium, Australia, Denmark, the Czech Republic, Iceland and Austria, as well as the partner countries/economies Macao-China, Liechtenstein, Estonia and Slovenia.

U.S.A. scored well below average in the Math series, at ranking position #35, and below all industrialized nations except Italy.
Desperate,

I believe it is you who has not read the Constitution nor the writings of Madison I will let him answer your assertions:

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected."

"With respect to the two words 'general welfare', I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."

"Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government."


To Mr Desperate, who is from Overland, Kansas, who favors Federal aid to public education.  "Sooths" is properly spelled "soothes."  What kind of education did you get?

I taught public education for twelve years.  I have a Master's degree plus thirty years, and another Master's degree on top of that.  I'm here to tell you that the Federal government has done nothing but totally wreck the public education system.  

The Federal government has mandated "No Child Left Behind," which translates into "everyone, no matter how illiterate, or no matter whether they can spell 'soothes' correctly," will pass.  It is the Federal government that has mandated "self-esteem education," in lieu of basic mastery of the math facts, how to read, and where Iraq is on a map.

After watching how the Federal government managed pubic education for twelve years, I came, more and more, to wonder if indeed they were purposely dumbing down the schools, to turn us into mindless idiots who would be more readily controlled by the State.

Al Hembd, computer programmer, former schoolteacher, who homeschooled all five of his children.


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