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Ron Paul's, um, problem?

Posted: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 12:10 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli

BEDFORD, N.H. -- Ron Paul says he has a problem. Others, no doubt, wish they were so lucky. 

Paul began his remarks at a Politics and Eggs breakfast by saying he is constantly asked about his fundraising. Earlier in the campaign, he said, there would be occasional bursts of attention and donations, usually after debates. “Back then, a burst was $50,000,” he said. “But now, it’s sort of gotten out of control, and I don’t know what to do about it. I mean, the money just keeps coming in.” 

He said there is something “significant going on,” and attributed it to the message, not the man. “It’s not about me, as much as it is about this message, and the need for it to be heard,” he said. “I’m especially excited about the young people willing to look at this and say, this is a grand idea, and this is what we need to do.”

Paul’s remarks this morning covered his core argument -- of returning to policies rooted in the principle of freedom. “If I had to summarize one word of what the campaign is all about, it’s champion the cause of freedom, and the Constitution that protects our freedom,” he said. The idea of freedom is still new in the history of the world, he said, and that it was why the U.S. was “the freest and the most prosperous.” “But something’s happening today, because everything has been undermined,” he continued. The result is a foreign policy that has America viewed as “a bully,” and a monetary policy that has led the money to borrow money “from the communists.” 

Asked about nuclear power as it relates to the non-proliferation treaty, Paul turned to Iran, and claimed that it “has been a better follower” of it than the U.S. “We would never expose ourselves to what we expect other countries to do,” he said. “They have an established national right to enrich for peaceful purposes.”

He added that the NIE report showing that Iran had shut down its nuclear weapons program further shows they are within international law. “Yet we tell them they absolutely do not have this right," he said. "That is not true. We are violating the treaty when we tell them that.”

The Texas congressman was also asked, given Bush’s record, whether the country was ready to elect another Republican president. “How 'bout another Republican president from Texas,” Paul joked. “Well, I guess if it’s a different kind of Republican?”

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in china they murder christians and poor citizens for the organ trade, why are we selling them shares of our country?
Stupid college kids who just read Ayn Rand and reactionaries jealous of the "gains" seen by Franco/Mussolini. Interesting coalition. I wonder where the college kids get their money from.
Paul’s remarks this morning covered his core argument -- of returning to policies rooted in the principle of freedom. “If I had to summarize one word of what the campaign is all about, it’s champion the cause of freedom, and the Constitution that protects our freedom,” he said. The idea of freedom is still new in the history of the world, he said, and that it was why the U.S. was “the freest and the most prosperous.” “But something’s happening today, because everything has been undermined,” he continued. The result is a foreign policy that has America viewed as “a bully,” and a monetary policy that has led the money to borrow money “from the communists.”

Let's see......
The papers are still running....
Telephones are running.......
TV is still going......
Air America is still on (barely).......

No loss of freedom in this country.....
still trying to figure out what freedoms we have lost in this country....
Love the guy! So humble, and intelligent.
I marvel at how smaller government, national sovereignty, a humbler foreign policy, support for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights (all ten of them) have become to be seen as "fringe" or "out of the mainstream" in this nation.  I believe that the GOP has lost its way.  Paul's message, provides a way back.  I hope more primary voters can find their way back to the core values of the Republican Party and support him.
in china they murder christians and poor citizens for the organ trade, why are we selling them shares of our country?
will (Sent Wednesday, December 19, 2007 12:30 PM)
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You're right we should sell them more christians.
Very nice article.  Yet it still does not include his stances on the issues.  Where is our article that takes all GOP candidates and shows their stance on each of America's important issues?

Ron Paul's support would grow even faster if that was published.  Do we want that to happen? I do.
Ron Paul is actually getting somewhere -- the latest Iowa poll from the WaPo has him ahead of Rudy Giuliani: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2007/12/shuffle-it-up-one-more-time-edwards.html

Is there a Ron Paul viability line? Any candidate who comes in behind Paul in a major contest has to get out?
The papers are still running....
Telephones are running.......
TV is still going......
Air America is still on (barely).......

No loss of freedom in this country.....
still trying to figure out what freedoms we have lost in this country....
jerry/corpus christi texas (Sent Wednesday, December 19, 2007 12:33 PM)
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The papers are still running.... as long as they complicit in outing a undercover CIA officer

Telephones are running....... as long as the NSA can still wiretap
TV is still going...... as long as Faux News has Bill O, Sean, and Greta
Air America is still on (barely)....... contrary ro Clearchannel's wishes







I like Paul's domestic policy, and most of his foreign policy, but I think we need to get Iraq into a situation where they can function on their own before abandoning them.  I wish we could meld presidential candidates.  Paul on how our money is spent, Huckabee on how the money is collected (fair tax), McCain to finish up in Iraq, Obama to deal with our foreign policy (not including Iraq) and to raise confidence in ourselves and abroad.  
jerry/corpus christi texas--Well, at least the trains are running on time.
Good observation Jer.
M in SP,

Impugning the motives and intelligence of Paul supporters will be a great way to get them to wise up and support the candidate that you support, don’t you think?
Key donors being "young people". Ask John Kerry how reliable "young people" are when it comes time to vote. They easily sit behind a computer and donate, but getting them out to actually vote on election day is a different battle. Kerry had the "young people" vote all locked up, with such enthusiastic young supporters and donors.
I take that back, I don' want Paul in charge of how money is spent (he may be a little too thrifty for that) but I would love it if he was able to get his teeth into Ethics reform in the House and Senate.  I have a feeling he would clean up the Pork Barrel spending crap.  
jerry/corpus christi texas--Well, at least the trains are running on time.
Good observation Jer.
Bankruptcies will surge as the Paul supporters max out their credit cards donating to Paul.
Let's see......
The papers are still running....
Telephones are running.......
TV is still going......
Air America is still on (barely).......

Yes sir! All that is true but you missed on point..
Who is RUNNING them?
What freedoms have we lost?  Plenty!  How about property rights for starters.  Or freedom from oppressive and unecessary taxation?  Freedom from foreign entaglements not authorized by congress?  The writ of Habeaus Corpus.  And looming on the legislative horizon a bill that will label American citizens homegrown terrorists for gathering on the internet to discuss 'radical' ideas.
Hey Jerry,
I'm back out of the hospital and man the last several of your posts were good and thoughtful not just a rant.was someone else using your name or have you calmed down some.


yea the tv, papers and radio as are still running and remember your phones are now bugged,because they are parroting republican and gwb talking points. they are scared to death of the guy!they might end up in gitmo.

okay paul supporters, it is your constitutional right to support any one you choose.I give you that, but do not let yourselves become disillusioned when he only gets about 3% of the vote.I fell into that trap one time and it can really destroy your soul if you're not careful. What is going to happen to all this money after the iowa and new hampshire primaries? he has already said he will not run as a third party candidate because he a republican through and through.
Ron Paul is the only genuine Christian I believe I have seen in the race.
I agree that there is something wrong.  Ron Paul noted it once that there needs to be less money involved in running for office.  He does have the point that it takes so much to get to the U.S. House or Senate to say nothing of running for President.  

Ron Paul is also correct in some regards to the foreign policy.  The Bush administration has failed constistantly to learn lessons of other presidents and respect the information that has come in from various sources.  In regards to Iran, there Ron Paul is wrong.  Because of their connections to various terrorist groups, I believe that Iran must stop any and all enrichment programs.  If they were to have a third party enrich material outside of Iran and take the waste away for reprocessing, that would be more acceptable to me.  We must protect our allies in the Middle East.  
Jerry,

You have a limited definition of freedom if you limit it to freedom of the press.  Freedom, properly defined, means freedom from government coercion and interference in your life.  Now take a look at some part of your life, and then consider how the government influences it.  Your job?  Government take a healthy bite of your earnings.  Your property?  The government can confiscate it through eminent domain.  Your private communications?  No longer private, thanks to the Patriot Act.  That is just the beginning.  Take any other activity and notice the way the government makes decisions about how you should live your life for you.
I suggest calling the sponsors of these neocon hack radio shows.  I got hung up on  today when the local jerk spent his occasional ron paul segment playing the setup piece that fox did on him about the huckabee cross instead of a full hour of substantive issue talk beck and scarborough did with him the other day.  I can't wait for the day we don't have to deal with these jerks to have an intelligent political discourse.
I'm a Nazi KKK Nation of Islam Communist Party member, and I support Ron Paul for one reason.
Ted, Birmingham, AL-Ron Paul is the only genuine Christian I believe I have seen in the race.

Really, because he would get rid of all programs that help the poor.  How is that in any way Christian?  All Republicans claim they are the most Christian, but none of them ever want to help the less fortunate.  I'm pretty sure that is what Jesus preached, yet Republicans and the Christian right want nothing to do with the poor, they just want pro life laws and laws against Gays.  
"No loss of freedom in this country.....
still trying to figure out what freedoms we have lost in this country...."

Historically, when freedoms are taken away, they are taken away slowly in hopes that we will not notice. There was a very long period of time when this nation had zero debt, and did not tax personal incomes in order to pay interest on one. You may not have noticed, because debt and the taxes that fund it are all you've ever known. There was a time when Habeas Corpus was still in effect, and people imprisoned had a right to face their accusers. The Constition states clearly that "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it." Bush has suspended Habeas Corpus, in violation of The Constitution. You may not have noticed that either. There was a time when a warrant and probable cause was necessary in order for the authorities to search our homes. Section 215 of The Patriot Act, with it's overly broad definition of "terrorists," allows unwarranted searches of our homes, and in fact, makes it a federal crime to discuss such a search with anyone, not even a lawyer or a judge. You may not have noticed, because much like the legistlators that signed the Patriot Act into law, you did not read it.

Hopefully it won't be too late by the time people do actually take notice and do something about it.
Dr. Paul is right.  It's the message, not the messenger.  And much of America is simply fed up with the false choices of

"war in Iraq only"

vs

"war in Iraq and Iran"

and

"tax n spend"

vs

"borrow n spend"
Laura,

I agree with you about wishing that we could leave Iraq more stable before we leave, but remember that the tribes there date back centuries and the Sunni/Shiite religious rift has existed almost as long.  True peace will never come to Middle East until these problems are solved, and they are internal into that culture, and therefore must be solved internally.  Our presence over there now, and our continued interference over the last few decades has only exacerbated the problem by allowing fanatics to focus on us rather than their own internal problems.  
Jerry from Corpus Cristi, you really are clueless.  The fact that papers, telephones and TV work says nothing about our freedom.

This is just a short list of what's been happening:
1st Amendment - we are now being pushed into "Free Speech Zones" so are "right" is exercised in an ever diminishing space
2nd Amendment - so many gun control laws you can't even keep count
3rd Amendment - during Katrina, the national guard set up operations in civil buildings, such as a church, that were 'abandoned'
4th Amendment - decimated by the war on drugs
6th Amendment - no good if you are considered a 'terrorist' (no proof needed, of course)

And this is just off the top of my head.  You just aren't paying attention.
Ron Paul was against the Iraq War for all the right reasons - that by itself should get him votes-

Why do all the other candidates want to stay in Iraq?  to fight Bin Laden?  no- he is in Pakistan with the nukes -right?

Why do the other candidates,excluding Paul, want to bomb Iran next?

Have we gone absolutely mad ?

Killing innocent Muslims breeds more and more terrorists-

I just  do not understand why people buy the war propaganda .
Wellstone,

Works for everyone else. Besides, it is the truth. I would've adhered to "Ron Paul's message" when I was a freshman in college, right after reading "Atlas Shrugged."

At the time, I had not worked professionally, really lived on my own in a self-sufficient fashion, nor would I have seen what I have seen up to this point.

Consider this "reality," if you will: Ron Paul supports a return to the gold standard. What would that do to our currency as it stands right now? Instead of relatively stable market fluctuations (which take into effect the entire economy), instead the currency would be pegged to the price of gold.

A large rush on gold and a significant rising in it's price would create a deflationary currency. Who does a deflationary currency wound the most?

People in debt. Defaults and foreclosures would be the norm instead of the exception as it is now (despite what the media says). Rich get richer, poor get poorer.

I suggest Ron Paul supporters, if they are serious, take a basic macro-economics course and get their heads out of the sand. His economic policies are a disaster.

As for his views on the role of the Constitution, though I agree on a number of points, I believe Ron Paul would have a serious problem with reading into the Constitution a right to privacy. In fact, I believe that his view of the Constitution requires a strict reading, meaning that which isn't specifically prohibited to the federal/state governments is constitutional restriction.

In fact, his civil libertarian viewpoint may actually hurt civil liberties as whole as compared to the expansion of civil liberties seen from the Warren era onward.

So, in addition to a basic macro-economics course, I also suggest Paul supporters to take a basic Constitutional Law course, so they understand how the jurisprudence and judiciary actually read and apply the Constitution. Labelling them "activist judges" says nothing and merely exhibits the lack of intellectual understanding the person saying that statement actually has.

"Activist judges" similarly allowed  the state and federal governments to segregate society based on race, through the idea and theory of the "separate but equal doctrine." SImilarly, activist judges on the Supreme Court also outlawed governmental regulation of the work week, minimum wage, unionization policies, and choice of law/work provisions due to an implied "liberty of contract" read into the 14th Amendment under "substantive due process."

Paul's position suggest a desire to return to a pre-Great Depression jurisprudence and federal government, one that would not be able to prevent the kind of disaster and excesses felt by the people in the 1930's.

Wellstone: Happy now?
Ron Paul is the only one who has a clue on foreign policy. All these candidates and pundits who claim they have so much experience in it should be held accountable for how crappy we've done in foreign relations. The only things that keeps us from being the most unpopular country in the world are MTV, McDonalds, Levis, and the fact we saved Europe a few generation ago. I invite anyone who has lived over-seas outside of western Europe and not in a gated community to argue against this!

Unfortunately his views on most over things are a little too much to swallow all at once. He should make his message more mainstream, but I guess that would compromise his political philosophy. Too bad.
"Young People" were NEVER really enthusiastic about Kerry. Look at the 2004 Dem Primary numbers to figure that out. Dean & Edwards took a much more significant share of the under 30 vote than did Kerry. The problem is, there's a lot more voters over 30 than under 30. And yes, those of us under 30 don't generally vote as reliably as older Americans.

No, Kerry got a much higher share of the under 30 vote than did Bush, but that was by default. They were against Bush. But not all that enthusiastic about Kerry.
"I think we need to get Iraq into a situation where they can function on their own before abandoning them."

What many people don't understand is that it is our presence there that makes them unable to function on their own in the first place. The safest places in Iraq are the places where British troops have left and there is no foreign presence. It is resentment of our presence in their country that creates the chaos. The British have had the most positive effect on that country by leaving. We should take their lead... only then will things get better instead of worse.
Jerry,
you are hilarious.  obviously never heard of habeas corpus(trashed), patriot act, you have clearly never flown out or into the country and had to deal with federal airport officials.

leon,
ron paul probably wont win.  his message however will live.  we the people will vote more of his kind into congress, senate etc.  in years to come many will wonder why we didnt vote for him now!

rob
"okay paul supporters, it is your constitutional right to support any one you choose.I give you that, but do not let yourselves become disillusioned when he only gets about 3% of the vote."

The exit polls stopped agreeing with the vote tally in 2000.  After that, I became disillusioned, because exit polls are what the US has always used in foreign countries to determine if an election was actually free and fair.
Who did die and annoint us King of the world? Imperialism was formerly Britian's job. And remember how happy we were about England's occupation of the colonies?
Protect our allies? Don't you really mean protect the oil interests? Not ot mention, Isreal has the toughest, nuclear-ready army in the region. Do they really need our protection? Plus, you can't play both sides of that fence and expect to make any of them happy.
Freedom is about making some tough decisions. As in, hey world, we're broke. Take care of your own.

And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

all this internet stuff is preaching to the converted! (except for the odd ignorant thompson, guiliani, huckabee, mccain supporter)  can someone please tell me where i can get RON PAUL flyers made to drop off in my neighborhood?
"Really, because he would get rid of all programs that help the poor.  How is that in any way Christian?"

It is our extravagant monetary policy that creates poverty in the first place. Ron Paul is looking to the cause, instead of putting bandaids on what has become a gaping wound. The un-Christian thing to do is to continue to accumulate massive debt and destroy the dollar, and then turn around and encourage the poverty that has resulted by subsidizing it.
The great thing about this country is that so many people are free to completely waste their money.  For more, go to RonPaul.org or something.  I congratulate Paul on his haul, but his message is getting lost.  Luckily, I disagree with a lot of his message, I don't think supporters quite understand what he is saying or are critical of his ridiculous points.  I'm just thankful that months of Paul neglect by FR has driven the Paul bloggers from this site for them most part.  I hope I've pissed somebody off with this.
Jerry From Corpus Cristi...

Freedom in this USA has always been viewed as more than just "freedom from imprisonment."

Wake up!

Read how about the Federal Reserve.

Read about the think tanks that now create most of our foreign policy and make it a point to put their hand picked members in high political positions.

READ.

TV and Radio owned by large special interests does not equal freedom.

READ and WAKE UP.
I had to comment on this:

"I suggest Ron Paul supporters, if they are serious, take a basic macro-economics course and get their heads out of the sand. His economic policies are a disaster. "

As somebody that has spent his entire life being careful never to get into debt, I would like to suggest that forcing people like me to support people who recklessly spend beyond their means is an economic disaster.

As a case in point: What you are seeing in the current "credit crunch" is merely the tip of the iceburg.  As a result of intentional and continual inflation, every asset that exists today is over-priced, especially fiat currencies.

Instead of just the poor that's going to be hurt, it's going to be everybody except the super rich.
I so love to hear Ron Paul chastise his Republican running mates for their Constitutional, civil liberty, gays in the military and same sex marriage views!!

Who needs the democrats to insult the GOP Neanderthal Class of 2008? Ron Paul does a superb job!!

PEACE!!
Lets examine Germany during WW2:
Trains ran on time, even the ones going to the camps.  Papers still ran, all the propoganda fit to print.  Radio likewise.  Lights were on, or the electrician got herded onto one of those camp-bound trains.  The homeland was praised, foriegners were cursed and blamed.  Just a rosy, rosy picture, don't you think, Jerry?
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"Paul's position suggest a desire to return to a pre-Great Depression jurisprudence and federal government, one that would not be able to prevent the kind of disaster and excesses felt by the people in the 1930's. "

Have you watched Dr Paul lay Bernake to waste on the devaluation of the dollar? Greenspan has advocated a return to the Gold standard. But the point really seems to be, do you advocate a multi-trillion dollar debt? The dollar is weakening and the banks will soon call in the loans.

Macro-economics will not be an applicable theory at that point.

We are broke beyond any concept of how broke we really are.

All the spending has to stop. It's time to pull up the boot straps and stand on our own two feet.
Ron Paul can win. Read: President Ron Paul – Could He Really Win?
http://www.gambling911.com/Ron-Paul-121407.html
"Really, because he would get rid of all programs that help the poor.  How is that in any way Christian?"

Christianity and charity should not be LEGISLATED.  How you wish to help someone should be a personal choice based on your beliefs Christian or not.

Many more charitable acts would occur if we did not have politicians and special interests telling us HOW and WHERE we should be charitable and then MANDATING that we pay for their idea of charity.

In addition, the "victim" mentality fostered by the socialist/commi/fascist viewpoint would vanish and people would become more personally responsible and not just looking for handouts from "MOM AND DAD" government.

It would be the most Christian and charitable thing that happened to the people in this country in nearly a hundred years to rid this country of the socialist programs that DON'T REALLY HELP ANYONE.
"Rich get richer, poor get poorer."

This is much better description of what happens under the current system of fractional reserve banking and forced inflation. The "stability" you describe just means the consequences of poor economic policy are accumulating and diverted so that our generation won't have to pay for our own mistakes. When you absorb the natural ebb and flow of the economy into a massive national debt, the eventual price will be unfathomable when the time comes for it to be paid. The same thing happened leading up to The Great Depression, but the accumulation of debt this time around will eventually make the 30s look like a walk in the park. It is unfortunate that people are so willing to ensure the economic doom of their children and grandchildren in exchange for a little personal stability now.
"Really, because he would get rid of all programs that help the poor.  How is that in any way Christian?  All Republicans claim they are the most Christian, but none of them ever want to help the less fortunate.

When I read through the Bible, I don't remember Jesus ever preaching or commanding the Roman republic and government to step in and help with the less fortunate.  Sure Christians should be in the business of helping the less fortunate, but as Christians it is wrong to impose our beliefs on people by force.  Just look at history, forcefully imposing Christianity on people has NEVER gone well.


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