The Illinois chapter of the AFSCME isn't happy about this.  They knew they were going to do this and warned them against it.  It'll be interesting to see if Illinois does anything to counter.
This is from the Swamp.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/12/obama_pals_mad_about_mail_from.html

That commentary on Obama's health care plan is right out of Hillary's playbook. Quoting Edwards to make it look as though it's from his campaign is dirty politics. If this is another gambit from the HRC campaign, I hope the word gets out. Enough is enough.

Is anyone surprised?

Clinton duo's lust for power trumps all.

That commentary on Obama's health care plan is right out of Hillary's playbook. Quoting Edwards to make it look as though it's from his campaign is dirty politics. If this is another gambit from the HRC campaign, I hope the word gets out. Enough is enough.

Finally, good news from a Republican candidate.  Good riddance to bad rubbish.  

YES.. here it is hillaryclinton.com

Yet another "great" article from Carrie Damn....oops...typo...Carrie Dann.

We will always remember your article about the typo of an Iowa town name by a Clinton Campaign worker and how you tried to spin it into a big negative article on Hillary.

So when we see the name Carrie Dann, we automatically think...Chris Matthews wannabee and discount it.

Gee, surprise, surprise.

"This tactic, it seems, could be intended to deflect the distaste that most voters have for direct attacks -- even those that are policy based." HUH????

This tactic is AFSCME flexing it's 30,000 member muscle for the candidate it endorsed with a mailing highlighting the differences between the Edwards and Clinton mandated UHCP's and the Obama plan. Your characterization of this as an attack, even your semantic gymnastics in attempting to justify your contention is forced.

How is highlighting the primary difference between the Edwards and Clinton plans and the Obama plan an, "attack"? Oh, it's because it's CLINTON. Have you really descended to the point where ANYTHING that senator Clinton or her supporters is called an ATTACK?

If Obama had ANY major union support (which he does not) and they sent out a mailer saying that Clinton's and Edwards' plans force everyone to purchase coverage, whether they want it or not, would you have characterized that as an attack? I can see the header now


"Obama's Union Muscle Flexing in Iowa", complete with breathless fawning praise for his union support.
Clinton has several unions and Emily's list all working for her in Iowa, which is kind of an advantage down the stretch. If the shoe was on the other foot and CLINTON complained about the hypothetical Obama mailer being an, "attack", your story would have been
"Clinton Camp Cries Foul", complete with skeptical ruminations as to whether the Clinton claim was an attempt to blunt Obama's union support, or some other subtext that painted Clinton in a negative light.

Please explain how the mailer, which doesn't seem to question anything other than the coverage of senator Obama's UHCP, constitutes an, "attack", and or why you have chosen to present it as such.


Van

Anyone with half a brain realizes the Democratic Party nomination will be the next two term president. This is why the Clinton political machine has already pulled out all the stops. This is the same, "They are not affiliated with the Clinton campaign and we have no control over their actions", garbage that got Willie Boy over the hump.

Hillary has become a sour old 'never was' and 'never will be' because she tagged along on Slick Willy's coat tails instead of standing up and being counted. She wouldn't stand on her priciples then and she hasn't since...she's just another Good Ol' Boy dressed up in pink chiffon. It is time to throw a rock through the Capitol's window and demand a change in this country. Voting for Barack Obama will send the message to Congress that the jig is up and that the old ways need to fade away and die an inglorious death. God Bless America

Well, Ms. Damn,
    Barak Obama's health care plan DOES leave out 15 million people, no matter how you attack or spin it.

    Obama's plan has more holes in it that swiss cheese, no matter how he or anyone else spins it.

    Obama's health care plan was not well thought out and is weak.

    If Obama lies about his health care plan and says it is univiersal when it leaves out millions of people, what else is he lying about?

    I will not vote for Obama not because he is  black green or purple.

   I will not vote for him because of his policies and his not being there when he is needed.  I want a hard working policy wonk who is a qualified experienced leader.  

   We ignored a candidate with those important traits in 2000 and voted for a green George Bush because he was the media darling and look what we got.

   We could have had President Gore and not be in the mess we are in now in our country.

How are Clinton supporters not tired of this stuff, yet!?  
i know the Clinton campaign didn't authorize this, but the fact that her supporters did is no coincidence!
This is simply a continuation of the divisive politics of the 90's.

Our country cannot endure that for another four years.

Nothing, Absolutely nothing is beneath the Clinton's in there qwest for Power. Let's Hope that the voter's will see thru this Charade & reject them both, outright.Send them packing back to New York, that way her & rudy can really have there fight in 5 years with the New York media in a senate race.Meanwhile, America can move on to bigger & better things.


" DELUSIONAL THINKING BY COMMON SENSE AMERICAN'S IS OVER"

Helloooooooooooooooo .. hillaryclinton.com

Hilary is so dubious, she doesn't fool anyone, she thirst so much for power that she will sell her mum to get the nomination.  

What do you expect. If she'll hold Bill's "cigar hand" and grin for the cameras; she'll do anything.

It was probably put out by Karl Rove----

Attack?  Sheesh.  Since when is a Union addressing a policy issue an attack?

Should barry Obama only recieve praise?  Is anything but praise an attack on Barry Obama?   Give us a break.

It's pretty funny that the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees would care about health insurance. All they have to do is plunder more tax payers to get theirs. Is there a bigger band of leaches out there? (OK, besides the NEA?)

I bet she is going to claim that she did not know anything about this either.

  Iowans are the most informed people in the country concerning presidential politics.  As a well read state with a large newspaper readership, they will know that AFSCME backed Clinton.  The Clinton's are too smart for their own good, Iowans are not yokels that their dirty tricks will work on.  This is probably really why Bill Clinton never campaigned in Iowa as he would have been discovered as the snake oil salesman he really was.  After all, he sold the country on NAFTA which is responsible for the sucking of American jobs to China and India.  AFSCME is ignorant as Hilary Clinton does not represent the hard working men and women of America, but serves her multinational corporate masters and he Chinese and India friends and campaign contributors.  Do we need to wait for the other Tsu to drop.

When will Americans throw out Hillary and her dirty tricks? Hillary is not Bush lite. She's Nixon heavy.

Clinton using Edwards' words to do her dirty work? You could knock me over with a feather! It's another act by a crazed, desperate woman looking for ANYTHING with which to regain some sort of traction in this race. She's looking up and both Obama and Edwards are lapping her.

And Clinton is the "change" candidate?

Which represents change:
A: Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton
B: Bush, Clinton, Bush, (Obama or Edwards)

If you answered A, then you did NOT do well on your SATs.  

The tactics being used highlight what Obama and Edwards have been saying: Clinton is NOT a change candidate.  She is the next part of the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton dynasty.

The reality is that many, many people just do not like her.  MANY republicans will claw their way to the polls to vote AGAINST Clinton.  They have been conditioned over the years (rightly or wrongly) to see Clinton as a scary, scary person.  Energizing the republican base by having Clinton as a lightning rod candidate will have bad ramifications for the presidential race AND the congressional races.

She is clearly very bright and clearly knowledgable on the issues - as are Obama and Edwards.  She just has 16+ years of highly-charged political baggage that will weigh heavily on the race should she become the democratic candidate.  

This is not a "roll of the dice."  Pick 10 staunch republicans and ASK THEM.  They will go to the polls in LARGE NUMBERS in an Anyone-But-Clinton mission.

Caught again, scandal and riddled with conjecture. The hidden agenda to deface another is and has always been a Clinton ploy to defame. The tactics of the Clinton comes as no surprise!!!! Eight years has taught the American people the Clinton's throw out little crumbs to the little, Yet the big guy will flourish as he is rewarded. Under the Clinton's there shall be a Past President and a serving President in the Oval Office, this is total conjecture. There is no other way this can be said!!!  We the people will not be served ""BUT CONTROLLED""

Key issue More POLICE, Government cameras tracking the every move of John Doe, it was the Clinton era which demolished the moral being of this nation, filthy film productions from holywood, not one attempt to secure our national security, discarded  any concern to being invaded by Mexico, be it known itwas not the Clintons who made America flourish for eight years, It was the American people and their hard working ethics which turned America to profit, get it right '"" get it right ""it was the Clintons along with the Bushs who drove major industry off shore.

It shall be pure fact, America will regain their voices again in Washington, And the first step is to remove those who are Washington self serving Paper hangers.

Merry Holidays and send your voice back to Washington.

There was a hit Rock And Roll song of the sixties,, I think the Spinners produced it!!

              """ DON'T COME BACK  """?

""""  LET THE DOG! AND TAKE OUT THE TRASH     """


One knows this article could not be written if there was a deceptive message, The Media never publishes false or deceptive articles, nothing but the truth so help me?    

             """ AND DON'T COME BACK """

Some one please tell the Clintons their hit song is being Played!!!!!!!!!!

Clinton and Obama are mirror images of each other. Edwards is the only candidate who can really make life better for ordinary Americans because he does not have the responsibility to protect corporate donors and special interests.

Why does Obama let her tell lies about him, and never brings up her ties to communism, the black panther party, her taking of drug and criminal money from Bill's pardons of drug dealers and 10 most wanted. Her failing the bar exam, her calling all people of arkansas hicks.  Her refusing to turn over 2500 pages about her in Bill' Library, her stealing the whitehouse furniture, these are all documented facts that i guarantee the Republicans will use.

What?!? No Bee or Jerry yet? How could they miss a chance to diss Hillary like this?

I guess we know who was behind the edwards video now . Attacking people and then try to make it look like its comming from another candidate . I use to somewhat like the clintons (although i thought obama would make the best pres ) ,but know they look just plain sleezy to me .

Thank you MSNBC for revealing this information.

Recently free ride for Obama from political press and it feels besieged it has to bat away incessant questions with Obama's significant shifts/ flip flopping on issues such as Patriot Act, Defense of Marriage Act, Fast Track trade authority and benefits for same-sex couples. Given how little experience, campaign doesnt want any focus on his record, clearly raise questions about his electability and serves reminder about how little the public knows about his positions. Illinois chapter of the National Organization for Women, Obama said he would vote to repeal the Patriot Act. In 06 Obama voted for the redrafted version of the Patriot Act that made only minor changes. On Defense of Marriage Act Obama answered No, to the question: "Do you support repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act. On Fast Track authority, which requires Congress to vote yes or no and without amendments on pending trade deals, Obama opposes Fast Track authority. Benefits for same-sex couples, Obama said he would need to evaluate the fiscal impact before extending Social Security benefits to same-sex couples. Obama is involved in a suspicious real estate deal with an indicted political fundraiser, Antoin Tony Rezko. Obama also linked to an alleged influence peddling scandal and was nabbed conducting campaign business in his Senate office, a violation of federal law. In addition three political aides on Sen. Barack Obama’s payroll are registered lobbyists for dozens of corporations, including Wal-Mart, British Petroleum and Lockheed Martin, while they received payments from his campaign, according to public documents. The Oprah Winfrey endorsement might have generated a lot of press for Barack Obama, but not a lot of impress, particularly among younger women, a poll released Wednesday shows.
A Lifetime/Zogby poll of women shows that of those 18 to 29, almost a third said they were less likely to support the Illinois senator because of the Oprah support. Older women, over 65, also showed they were ruffled by Ms. Winfrey stepping "out of her pew," as the daytime diva herself described it. About 17 percent of older women said the endorsement made them less likely to support Mr. Obama. Barack Obama was faced with a difficult vote in the Illinois legislature — to support a bill that would let some juveniles be tried as adults, a position that risked drawing fire from African-Americans, or to oppose it, possibly undermining his image as a tough-on-crime moderate. In the end, Mr. Obama chose neither to vote for nor against the bill. He voted “present,” effectively sidestepping the issue, an option he invoked nearly 130 times as a state senato

Recently free ride for Obama from political press and it feels besieged it has to bat away incessant questions with Obama's significant shifts/ flip flopping on issues such as Patriot Act, Defense of Marriage Act, Fast Track trade authority and benefits for same-sex couples. Given how little experience, campaign doesnt want any focus on his record, clearly raise questions about his electability and serves reminder about how little the public knows about his positions. Illinois chapter of the National Organization for Women, Obama said he would vote to repeal the Patriot Act. In 06 Obama voted for the redrafted version of the Patriot Act that made only minor changes. On Defense of Marriage Act Obama answered No, to the question: "Do you support repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act. On Fast Track authority, which requires Congress to vote yes or no and without amendments on pending trade deals, Obama opposes Fast Track authority. Benefits for same-sex couples, Obama said he would need to evaluate the fiscal impact before extending Social Security benefits to same-sex couples. Obama is involved in a suspicious real estate deal with an indicted political fundraiser, Antoin Tony Rezko. Obama also linked to an alleged influence peddling scandal and was nabbed conducting campaign business in his Senate office, a violation of federal law. In addition three political aides on Sen. Barack Obama’s payroll are registered lobbyists for dozens of corporations, including Wal-Mart, British Petroleum and Lockheed Martin, while they received payments from his campaign, according to public documents. The Oprah Winfrey endorsement might have generated a lot of press for Barack Obama, but not a lot of impress, particularly among younger women, a poll released Wednesday shows.
A Lifetime/Zogby poll of women shows that of those 18 to 29, almost a third said they were less likely to support the Illinois senator because of the Oprah support. Older women, over 65, also showed they were ruffled by Ms. Winfrey stepping "out of her pew," as the daytime diva herself described it. About 17 percent of older women said the endorsement made them less likely to support Mr. Obama. Barack Obama was faced with a difficult vote in the Illinois legislature — to support a bill that would let some juveniles be tried as adults, a position that risked drawing fire from African-Americans, or to oppose it, possibly undermining his image as a tough-on-crime moderate. In the end, Mr. Obama chose neither to vote for nor against the bill. He voted “present,” effectively sidestepping the issue, an option he invoked nearly 130 times as a state senato

Boy, dirty tricks have taken a hit this cycle, everyone should read history to see what dirty tricks really are. This is nothing and people should ignore it but anyone who wears their heart on their sleeve will cry crocodile tears and beat their chest and rend their cloths and cry out 'WHY MY GUY LORD".
Well Bushie is on, gotta go, he is talking about counting the silverware, must be a big policy shift going on, see you after the laughfest.

Actually, Clinton doesn't even have a health care plan of her own.  First she just copied Edwards health care plan and second, she didn't even suggest how a mandate would be enforced.

So Clinton's "mandate" isn't a mandate, therefore it is NO DIFFERENT from Obama's.

Edwards does offer a penalty. He suggests that one way to do it is simply take money out of people's paycheck.  The problem I have here is that enough people will object that it won't pass.

Ultimately, the only reasonable step in the direction of true universal care (Kucinich plan) is Obama's.  

Oh yeah, Clinton, by not discouraging this flyer displays a lack of integrity that is astounding.  Why not put her quotes on this?  Maybe this group has changed its mind and is supporting Edwards now?

The FACT is - Obama keeps LYING that his health care plan covers everyone - but it DOES NOT.
It omits at least 15,000,000 of us.
Edwards has the best health care plan.

Why do labor unions NOT support or endorse Barack Obama?

Do they realize that Barack Hussien Obama is not going to support and stand up for working class people as is obvious in his poor health care plan?

Obama's plan leaves out 15 million Americans no matter how hard he or some media try to spin it and working class people are NOT FOOLED!

Why is Obama using REPUBICAN talking points (mandates) to discount Clinton's plan?

Labor unions are not as gullible as the hope or wine and cheese crowds.

Obama will not be there for working class people!!!

POOR...poor....Poor Barak Obama

The poor innocent little dear is being attacked by that mean old Hillary.

Whine...whine...whine!!!!!!


So what is the poor little dear going to do when the REAL, below the belt hits start with the Republicans in the GE.

BOO!!!!!  HOO!!!!  Better toughen up, boy!

Those good old Rep. boys will make a woman attacks look like love pats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Present!"  OK, one more time: voting "Present" during the legislative process means that you are here ("present") but STILL WORKING on the bill...something needs tweaking, changing, or further negotiation.  It does NOT mean you are trying to abdicate your responsibility...it means just the opposite!  Instead of   trying to paint Senator Obama as NOT doing his job, all of those "Present" votes actually mean he was working harder than ever to make sure that the bill was the best it could be for his constituents!  Next?!?!

Gus,
Which experienced leader are you referring to?
Is it HRC? If so, concretely enumerate her accomplishments for me.
Thanks

Obama is asleap at the switch. "...get a spine..." and fight back

the Clintons will do absolutely anything to win, and there'll be much more dirty tricks coming--it's just too bad they don't devote as much attention to governing or strong policy and programs.

I have to wonder what the motivational force is behind ANY union backing Obama or Clinton. They are bought and paid for by Wall Street interests.

There is only one, authentic, pro-union candidate running for president. He scares the hell out of the powers that be because he has been successfully fighting against them all of his career. His name is John Edwards.

This is by far one of the best articles I have seen about Hillary Clinton.  I don't think many of her supporters have bothered to look at her votes while she's been in the Senate:
http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4811

Obama's plan does not have a mandate like HRC and Edwards.  How can you force people when they don't have the money?  I agree that the Clintons will do and say anything to get back into the White House.  That is being proved right now.  Senator Obama had 130 "present" votes out of 4,000.  Using a "present" vote in Illinois as a protest to a piece of legislation is used quite often from what I've read.  Is this all that Hillary has?  Other than trying to make him out to be a drug dealer when he was a teenager, or implying that he is a Muslim plant to take over the country.  Let's look into the Clinton's closet and see what falls out of it.  

To Van in NY.  I'm an Iowan.  I got two mailers today.  One was a positive ad from Edwards touting his positions on the issues.  All his mailings for the past several weeks have been positive and about the issues, probably because he remembers Gephardt and Dean taking each other out with negativity back in the last election.

The other mailer I got was this piece of garbage from AFSCME (glad I'm not in THAT union anymore, by the way).  The reason it's a hit piece is because it goes negative on Obama's health care plan (which is fair game), but quotes Edwards to do it (which is not).  Is this an actual quote from Edwards?...yes...has Hillary said the same or worse on far more occasions?..yes...

The only reason to use the Edwards quote, instead of any of Clinton's (while simultaneously neglecting to mention that you're a group supporting Hillary), is to try and make it appear Edwards is the one who's gone negative and kill two birds with one stone.

Because it was a union I used to belong to, that I couldn't believe was dumb enough to endorse Hillary, I knew what was up before I read this article.  And I'll make sure everyone I know is aware of it as well.  It made me angry with the Clinton camp, regardless of whether it was the campaign or one of its surrogates that pulled this crap.  But those who don't know the whole story may be turned away from Edwards because they think he's the one that's "gone negative".

Barack Obama for President.

It's time for America to Rise and Shine again.

... oh, and Merry Christmas.

Lying power hungry politicians will stop at nothing to perpetuate themselves.These tactics are in play because for the first time they can smell defeat. HRC and her minions care only about the power of office and not the American people.

Come January 3, the Clinton attack machine is in for a rude awaening. What they and their pollsters are about to discover is that the numbers are totally flawed. Anyone with any connection to the Democratic party is hesitant to tell any pollster that they are not supporting her candidacy. There is a deep fear of recrimination by her lap dogs if any of them discover you are supporting someone else.Therefore people like myself with 40 years of Democratic party affilliation , refuse to allow them to find out and merely tell pollsters that we absolutely support her , when in fact we do not.This time the politics of fear will come back to haunt them.  

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