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Clinton's subtlety, Edwards' response

Posted: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 7:37 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC's Lauren Appelbaum
Neither Clinton nor Edwards are running any attack ads so close to the holiday season, opting for holiday appropriate ads instead. However, the two started a small tiff over the issue of poverty this afternoon.
 
"People talk about poverty in this campaign," Clinton said in Independence, Iowa, this afternoon. "Well, we lifted more people out of poverty during the 1990s than anytime in our history."
 
A few hours later, Edwards responded to reporters. "I want to make a comment about something I at least understood Senator Clinton said, in a veiled reference to me -- she said something about people talking about poverty but what are we going to do about it," Edwards said during a media availability in Portsmouth NH. "Let me just be clear. Ending poverty in our country is the cause of my life and I am completely committed to it."
 
"What I would ask Senator Clinton and the other candidates to do is to commit that we are going to raise the minimum wage $9.50 an hour and have it indexed to go up on its own," he continued. "And to come out with a comprehensive plan to end poverty in this country, which I have already done."

Oil price drop if Clinton elected?
Also in Independence, Clinton said foreign nations who sell America oil will drop the price if she is elected President.
 
"They'll know that I always try to do what I say," Clinton said while discussing the need for creating alternative sources for energy. "And here's what they'll do. They'll drop the price of oil. I predict this to you. Because they'll try to lull us once again into a false sense of security."
 
"They'll expect Americans and the oil companies to say, okay, fine, we got our prices down. Maybe they'll drop them to 70. If we're real lucky, they'll drop them to $60 a barrel. It was $20 a barrel when George Bush became president," Clinton continued. "Well, they are betting on the wrong horse if they believe that. We are going to change, and we are going to change in a smart way, because we will become more secure."

NBC/NJ's Athena Jones adds that Clinton has made similar comments about oil prices before as part of her argument that she will be committed to a "clean energy future" even if oil-producing countries drop the price of oil once she's elected, which she predicts they'll do to try to lull Americans into thinking we don't have to work to find alternative forms of energy and reduce our dependence on foreign oil.

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Just talkin' facts. hillaryclinton.com
Happy Holidays... hillaryclinton.com
Hey John, how's that $300.00 Haircut look. Sure I believe you. Say would you like to buy some swamp land here in Florida ?
Check their records.


John Edwards cannot lead the democratic ticket.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADwjvAs9J-0

John Edwards and Hillary Clinton did not read the NIE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLJFujflVmY

Obama SmackDown Series: Smacks down Edwards on Iraq.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4x_KnWEDjs

John Edwards Feeling Pretty.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2AE847UXu3Q
I am sick of hearing about the "90's reform success".It was improved only slightly and is way over rated.It is still a slim pit of disgusting liberty sucking, prosperity suffocating, socialist entrapment. The poor in this country are still grossly treated, especially single parents and are met with wretched back stabbing duplicities.The system only works for very few peoples still. There is not enough variety in training or oprotunities and it reminds me of communism in ways.There is also little justice for the poor still.The court systems are grossly dysfunctional if complaints are filed most of the time.The wait for the poor for their case to be heard is exasperating and the quality of councel is inhumane most of the time.Truth be told it is of no concern if families end up homeless.Workers are trained to meet quotas like commission sales or they lose their jobs, so workers aren't likely to care about American liberties or they could be one of "those" ingrates before they know it.Can you say PINKOOOO? It is not as easily seen but it functions how it functions more than it should in America.
NO TWO PEOPLE ARE THE SAME EVEN NOT TWINS, THIS WOMAN THINKS WHAT HER HUSBANK DID IN 90S MEANS SHE DID IT. BUT IF THE COUNTRY WOULD HAVE BEEN IN A MESS SHE WOULD HAVE SAID THAT WAS MY HUSBAND. SHE IS NOT EXPERIENCE LIKE PEOPLE SAY, 7YEARS IS NOTHING THAN WHAT JOE BIDEN HAS DONE FOR THE COUNTRY. FOLLOWING YOUR HUSBAND AROUND THE WORLD MEANS NOTHING. SHE IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT BILL DID. SHE NEEDS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT SHE CAN DO AND STOP ATTACING EVERYBODY, PRIDE WILL NOT END HER IN VICTORY BUT SHAME.HER VOTING RECORDS TELLS ALOT ABOUT HER, IF SHE WAS BILL IN 90S IT OK FOR HER TO TALK. SHE IS TO EMOTIONAL. THAT WHITE HOUSE IS NOT FOR JUST BUSH AND CLINTON LET SOMEBODY ALSO ENJOY POWER.  
Way to go Edwards!  for calling out Hillary on her platitudes and promises! Yeah - I'd like to see HER make a committment to raising the minimum wage!  She won't buck her Wall Street and K Street donors.
"People talk about poverty in this campaign," Clinton said in Independence, Iowa, this afternoon. "Well, we lifted more people out of poverty during the 1990s than anytime in our history."

That couldn't possibly mean what it SAYS, because it's CLINTON!
Why the hell do you paint that statement (as an attack yet) as being directed towards Edwards, is he the ONLY candidate talking about POVERTY?

Then a pack of Jackals (the 4th estate) run with this and demand that Edwards respond to the, "attack", as they salivate in anticipation of his , "counterattack".

Edwards, faced with one of the extremely rare times that he's being noticed by the Jackals, (as the only time they seek him out is to respond to something that Obama or Clinton have, "attacked", him on) is torn between asking them what they're on, and getting some press and a chance to talk about a topic near and dear to him, whatever the context. Quite a big story indeed.

"People talk about poverty in this campaign."

and they do. Edwards, Obama, Clinton, Biden, Richardson, Huckabee, Dodd, Kucinich, have all spoken out on poverty during the campaign. They might dispute your assumption that Edwards, "owns", the poverty issue or that Clinton was addressing him (subtly or not) in her statement.

Is that a subtle dig at Edwards (or anyone?) or simply a set-up line to remind the electorate, again, of the good old days of the Clinton presidency, where, "...we lifted more people out of poverty during the 1990s than anytime in our history." The emphasis here would seem to be on the fact that, "we", (my husband PRESIDENT Clinton and I) lifted more people out of poverty than any time in our history."

Your usual tact would be to simply cast aspersions on Clinton's claim, and to turn an extremely jaundiced eye at her trying to take credit for the accomplishment, so this does represent a departure in slant, anyway.

Why don't you put away the editorial commentary for a day or two and try to remember what journalists did way, way, back when your profession wasn't just above used car salesman in the public esteem? I really think you have to press the reset button on your brains or something to that effect.


Van
Um, I don't know. Sounds like maybe a few delusions of grandeur on Hillary's part?

Let me see if I have her point. OPEC leaders would drop oil prices if she is elected, and wouldn't if anyone else is elected (I believe that's implied) because they know she keeps her word. Hmmm. Not sure I'm convinced with that one.
Wall Street Journal poll will surely be touted by Clinton supporters because of the national numbers, but there are troubling findings in that poll.  Senator Clinton's favorable/unfavorable (42/42)are horrible compared to Senator Obama's and Senator Obama leads all Republican candidates and by wider margins than Senator Clinton (who does not beat all the potential Republican contenders).  
I am not completely sure I understand how when oil producing countries and refineries are running at full capacity, how HRC is going to talk prices down.  That is the most overly simplistic empty promise I have heard.  

I also love how Hillary talks about what "we" did about poverty in the 90s.  She takes complete credit for anything Bill Clinton did as president... except the failure of the healthcare plan, NAFTA, defense of marriage act, etc.  
I believe they are both sincere----especially Edwards.
If John Edwards is so committed to ending poverty in this country, then why did he through the tax loophole of his Sub Chapter S corporation avoid paying over $600,000 in Medicare taxes? Edwards is a phony full of baloney saying one thing but having done another.
Keep grasping for straws, John.
Edwards is completely committed to ending poverty  ...  when his hedgefund isn't busy foreclosing on homes in New Orleans and Iowa that is.
No Hillary -- BILL Clinton did that, not you.
Who is "we"?
Hillary, you were the First Lady. You were not the president. You were not the Treasury Secretary . You weren't even a known economic adviser. Therefore, you did not pull anyone out of poverty.
Please "go work hard" to change your apparent case of delusional thoughts.
If Edwards wants to help the impoverished why dont he start with those who live across the street from his mansion in a trailer park.  But then again he would have to introduce himself to them which he has never done.  Hillary clinton has done more for the poor and uninsured in this country than Edwards has ever dreamed of doing.  He talks a good talk, but actions speak louder than words.
Major Clinton hit-piece: NYTimes: "Clintons charity donors received government favors"

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/politics/20clinton.html?
"If I'm elected, it will rain money and the streets will be paved in gold and everyone will hold hands and sing songs and the USA will turn into heaven!!!"

Lol.  Talk about desperate.  Someone get that woman a double dose of reality, quick.  
 Of course Hilary Clinton will indicate her buddies in the multinational corporations and foreign nations will reduce the price of oil, after all she never has had American interests at heart.  The only thing that intrests her is how much money she and her crooked friends can make.  I am sure her family will be able to broker deals for pardons for money if she is president as happened in her husband's presidency.
  John Edwards is the only one who cares about the common man.  He knows what it is to live without everything handed to him.  Hilary Clinton has spent her whole life with a silver spoon feeding her whatever she wanted.  It is time for the American people to stand up and kick her sorry butt to the foreign nations she coddles.  I am sure India and China would love to have the Clintons concerning how his NAFTA policy resulted in them sucking away American jobs and increasing unemployment in this country.  How can we trust anyone like her to help americans when her multinational corporate friends and foreign interests support her campaign.  We should not wait for the other Tsu to drop.
   Vote Edwards-Richardson 2008.
Wow....here she goes again!

Can you explain "we"...as first lady what jobs did you create?  Sounds like she is trying to ride on Bill's coat tails again...please stop!

Oil...did she say Oil prices will drop once she becomes president?  Hey Hillary...oil prices are determined by demand and supply.  Econ 101
SINCE I AM IN NO WAY SUPPORTING SUPPOSED FIRST LADY AND FIRST 'LADDIE' CLINTON I SEE NO POINT IN COMMENTING WHY TO A BIASED NETWORK SO NAMED NBC.
Man can this get any better.

Some Juice for the day...

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/politics/20clinton.html?hp
This is tipical of Clinton. She has no shame. She will say and promise anything to get elected. In reality a pesident could only dream of having that much power. Making this kind of comment is like saying I didn't inhale. Its just babble to get elected.
Every Independence Day, a group of us Independents, meet in Independence, Iowa. After eating our square ice cream cones, we run up the French Tricolor and sing a round of 'Le Marsellaise' in honor of the Marquis du La Fayette and Marquette and Joliet, The Monks (Des Moines). Then we run up the Iowa Tricolor, which differs slightly from the French. It has an Eagle on it, with a ribbon in its' beak that says, "Our Liberties We Prize, and Our Fries with Mayonnaise"...or something like that. This Summer, we'll be talking about what is about to happen in two weeks. And we'll open each others' envelopes to see who we picked. I mailed mine out this morning (but I ain't tellin').
Not only is Hillary attacking Edwards on this, but Obama has stolen his ideas and is now pretending he's a populist as well.  I guess they saw that the polls showed Edwards winning and started copying him.  Edwards is the only one who really cares about poverty.  It's his life's work.  He's saved more people from poverty than those other 2 phonies could dream of.  And that's why he's winning and that's why he's going to be the best President we've ever had.
Clinton can sit on her elite perch and cast aspersions all she wants.  We are going to fight poverty in this country from '09, on, and improve the lot for all Americans.  We will establish a firm foundation of this country that will set us on a course of real strength ... the legs will no longer be shakey, and we'll have real national growth!

Go John.  We can do this!!
Clinton will represent the Americans who donated to her campaign ; those who make seven figure salaries and hide their exhorbitant earnings in government supported tax shelters. John Edwards will represent the rest of America ; the middle class. How can we continue to elect people like Hillary who will certainly strenghen special interests and hurt working class America? We must elect John Edwards!
Another Hillary lie, and who is we, was she president,fdr was the poverty president.  Consider this, who will serve our military under any democrat, after they ran our army down and supported KOS. Polls show soldiers would not reenlist, and career men would retire.  So who s going to protect us, you yellow dog liberal democrats.  Yeah Right
Who is "we"? As I recall she was a housewife in the 90's, albeit a very nice house.
Clinton, and her campaign, keep pumping out the smears of Obama. This time their foot soldier is Bob Kerrey of Nebraska who made references to Obama being a Muslim. Do the smears from Clinton never end? You'd think she would take a break for the holidays, but no. Kerrey of course made the apology, which just gets the story out there for another day.

How many seemingly good people like Kerrey have had to fall on their swords because of Hillary Clinton? It's never ending with her and her campaign.
BUY BUY Iran, Iranian Oil. Prop up the Hugo Chavez, who stole the inventments of oil companies. Just remember that conservation is a personal virture.
What the hell is she talking about? So it is good and we are lucky if the prices drop but it is bad the prices drop because it gives a false sense of securiy? This is what uniquely qualifies her to be the POTUS? And the "Change Agent" stuff she talks about...well the Energy Bill that was just passed which she along with all the other slimey politicians voted for has nothing new and nothing has changed except CAFE is going up to 35 MPG over the next 15 years!! This is the Agent of Change?? America we are being taken for a ride and the fourth estate is aiding and abetting the falsehood, deception, misinformation perpetrated on us by the politicians of both stripes!
From The Quad City Times - Edwards' ad draws criticism in Iowa:

Edwards also has come under fire from Barack Obama’s campaign, which mentioned the Edwards-Whirlpool-Maytag connection in papers given to a union official in Iowa.

Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said the information was provided at the request of the union official to compare the candidates’ on labor issues.

DES MOINES — A new ad praising Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards for his positions on behalf of American workers is coming under fire by rival Bill Richardson’s campaign, which says Edwards invested in a fund they allege has a role in the shutdown of Newton-based manufacturer Maytag.

The television ad by Working 4 Working Americans touts Edwards’ plans to end tax breaks for companies that move American jobs offshore.

The political organization is backed by the members of the United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners, which has endorsed Edwards in the primary fight.

But Richardson’s Iowa campaign director, Robert Becker, said the ad ignores the role of management firm Fortress Investment Group, where Edwards worked as an adviser, in closing Maytag’s Newton plant. Fortress held stock in Whirlpool, the company that bought out Maytag and shut the company’s doors.

“John Edwards was paid nearly half a million dollars by the same hedge fund at the time the Maytag plant was shuttered, and he had $16 million of his own fortune invested there,” Becker said in a statement. “Can John Edwards be a champion for jobs in Newton, Iowa, when he works for and invests in a hedge fund that helped eliminate those same jobs? If anything, Edwards probably owes those families an explanation.”

Dan Leistikow, spokesman for Edwards’ Iowa campaign, said Edwards had no role in the stock purchases, most of which happened after he stopped working for Fortress and make up less than one-tenth of 1 percent of Whirlpool. And he pointed to Edwards’ support of Maytag employees who lost their jobs.

“No one has been stronger in standing up for Maytag workers than John Edwards, which is why so many of them are supporting him,” Leistikow said. “As president, he will never sign trade deals like NAFTA that put the profits of corporations ahead of the interests of workers like those who lost their jobs in Newton.”

Max Tipton is an Edwards supporter from Newton and retired United Auto Workers representative who negotiated with Maytag. He said he is surprised by the Richardson campaign’s claims.

“Everybody that has a dollar or two has some stock in some company,” Tipton said. “I do, you know, and so it’s really, I think, asinine for any candidate to suggest that John Edwards in any shape or form had anything to do with the closing of Maytag.”

Hmm election in Iowa is heating up. Everyone is after everyone (to differentiate, I guess).
If Hillary thinks we buy that she will be able to deliver leadership that will fuel the developement of technology that will lessen the demand for foreing oil she must be crazy. As long as we allow the oil industry to control our politicans this will never happen. Hillary could not get a health care reform pakage passed. She had the backing of the most popular president in recent history and all the players at the table...........shows she cannot get it done and will not be able to deliver on any of the lofty promises she makes. Hillary now promises healthcare for all again...when will the people see her for what she really is. Hillary has made promise after promise but this is the same old tune to placate the people. We must not forget recent history on this lady and her party...we must remember history tends to repeat itself and learn the lesson before it is to late.
When minumum wage is raised the cost of goods increases at the same or higher rate therefor negating the increase in pay. How does this help?
"We lifted more people of poverty in the 90's"
Am I to understand that a First Lady is Co-President and can claim her husbands accomplishments as her own?
If that is so let me be the first to call for Laura Bushes impeachment for her failure to control her husbands darker impulses with her feminine charms.
ImpeachLaurafornotseducinghimoutofIraq.org
Hey John, how's that $300.00 Haircut look. Sure I believe you. Say would you like to buy some swamp land here in Florida ?

Butch Butler, Kissimmee, Fl. (Sent Wednesday, December 19, 2007 8:02 PM)

About as good as that $200 haircut Bill Clinton got on Air Force One while sitting on the runway at LAX.
A significant portion of John Edward's wealth has been made through stock investments. No invester can keep up minute by minute what the companies invested in are doing with the investment funds. Like taxes the invester has no control over how his money is used by the "hedge fund" or whatever. It seems whenever John Edwards has discovered his investment money was used in a way that contradicted his values he has withdrawn his investments. I really don't have a problem with a wealthy man fighting for poor people. He can do more than a poor man fighting for poor people. His wealth inspires me. If he can do it, then by the Grace Of God , hard work and positive thinking, I can be wealthy too. The American Dream is real.
As I suspected, president by proxy. Hillary has given up trying to convince people her experience best qualifies her to be president and has turned to the "we" word instead. She said,"'we' lifted more people out of poverty in th 90s than at anytime in history". The facts are the high tech. industry ( not Clinton) created 80% of all new jobs in the 90s and then left Bush with a recession after the bubble burst in 1999. But we do not hear "we" accept blame for the recession, do we? The Clintons have not only proven themselves unsincere and morally bankrupt but have also shown themselves to be ethically fatigue by all the dirty tricks they have tried to use during this campaign. Let us send a message loud and clear " no third term, and no more Clinton drama in the peoples' house"....Edwards for ethical leadership
Edwards does not own the issue of poverty, the Democrats do.  Obama is certainly not just now adopting a populist message, he just hasn't been hitting people over the head with this message like Edwards.  I can understand sometimes the sceptisim that people have about Edwards fightong poverty, due to his wealth.  But lets face, I think almost if not all of the Democratic field are millionares.  Edwards relates to the poverty issue due to his upbringing, and people shouldn't apologize for doing well but hedge fund ties are hard for people to swallow.  The Clinton's have made their money through questionable deals and politics.  Obama made some money by writing to inspirational books.

Obama's message about presidential plans includes many specifics to combat poverty, but his campaign is well-rounded and recognizes there are a lot of other issues which are also crtical.  But his dedication or sincerity should not be questioned.  Unlike the other top candidates, he took lower paying jobs in order to make a difference in American peoples lives.  His public service began as community organizer, trying to help a community hard hit by job losses in the steel industry.  So his desire to combat poverty should be quite clear.  
Mo'thanskin, exactly! Why then does he insist the American dream is dead? The sheer number of millionaires increases yearly. Why is there no mention of this in his rhetoric? Not everyone is willing to do what it takes to be wealthy, unless inherited it has to be earned,sacrifices have to be made. We are not entitled to wealth, that seems to me to be his message. We have the right to work for wealth. His message is one of entitlement. He wants to fuel the flames of class warfare to get elected...
clinton campaign launches two websites solely for the purpose of smearing barack obama using words such as cowardly.

dirty politics, dirty campaigning, dirty politicians
Hillary must be inhaling what Bill says he didnt, now she thinks she was president for 8 years. God help us if these sickos are elected.
Edwards is just being nice to the maytag employee cuz he loves maytag blue cheese. he cant leave home with out it haha! check this out: http://www.oneforthetable.com/oftt/articles/maytag-you-re-it.html


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