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Oh-eight (D): Clinton Inc. v. 'present'

Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:13 AM by Mark Murray
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A CBS poll in South Carolina shows Obama and Clinton in a statistical dead heat. The numbers: Obama 35%, Clinton 34%, Edwards 13%.

BIDEN: The Los Angeles Times has a nice story about an incredibly loyal Iowa foot soldier for Biden, who was with him in 1987 and has never wavered since.

CLINTON: The LA Times also looks at how Clinton is trying to define Obama. "Clinton doesn't tell Iowa voters that in his younger days, her chief rival for the Democratic nomination behaved badly. She never lays out incidents from Sen. Barack Obama's past that could be exploited in a general election contest; doing so might be considered an unseemly personal attack. But with the Iowa caucuses just two weeks away, she is sidling up to that fine line -- and, in some cases, her campaign surrogates are fleshing out what the candidate leaves unsaid."

Interestingly, Bob Kerrey sent a letter to Obama apologizing for over-bringing up the Muslim stuff. “Kerrey told The Associated Press in a telephone interview that he sent the letter on his own and had not spoken to Clinton or her campaign about the comments he made Sunday in Iowa. ‘What I found myself getting into in Iowa - and it was my own fault - it was the wrong moment to do it and it was insulting,’ Kerrey told the AP. ‘I meant no disrespect at all.’ Obama spokesman Bill Burton said the senator accepted Kerrey's apology, sent to the campaign in the mail and via e-mail.

Is there any New York Times byline the campaign fears more than Don Van Natta?  Well, there's one today (although it probably goes down easier since the paper also front-pages the Obama "present" story today). "The New York Times has compiled the first comprehensive list of 97 donors who gave or pledged a total of $69 million for the Clinton presidential library in the final years of the Clinton administration. The examination found that while some $1 million contributors were longtime Clinton friends, others were seeking policy changes from the administration. Two pledged $1 million each while they or their companies were under investigation by the Justice Department.”

“Other donations came from supporters who had been ensnared in campaign finance scandals surrounding Mr. Clinton’s 1996 re-election campaign. In raising record sums for her campaign, Mrs. Clinton has tapped many of the foundation’s donors. At least two dozen have become  ‘Hillraisers,’ each bundling $100,000 or more for her presidential bid. The early library donors, combined with their families and political action committees, have contributed at least $784,000 to Mrs. Clinton’s Senate and presidential coffers."

More: “As the scope of the foundation expanded from the Clinton library into issues like treating AIDS in the developing world and addressing global poverty and climate change, and Mrs. Clinton moved closer to announcing her candidacy, the pace of giving quickened. Last year, contributions reached $135 million, a 70 percent increase over the previous year. Two-thirds came from just 11 donors."

Clinton makes a pre-Christmas push in New Hampshire with a "Working for Change, Working for You" tour.

Don’t cry for me… “Clinton twice wiped her eye at a campaign event in Elkader after getting an emotional introduction by Joe Ward, a constituent. She helped get his insurance company to cover a costly bone-marrow transplant for his son,” the New York Post writes. “No way,” though was the response from Howard Wolfson, Clinton’s spokesman on whether or not Clinton cried.

Here's one of those campaign promises that would have gotten Al Gore in trouble in 2000. “Clinton predicted that when she mentions in her inaugural address, ‘particularly the oil-producing countries, “We’re not going to be taken for a ride any longer. We’re going to stand up and say enough,” ... when I say that, those countries will know because they follow our elections, they follow what we do in our politics as closely as we do, they’ll know that I always try to do what I say.’” Clinton predicted those words would cause the price of oil to suddenly drop, to $60 or $70 a barrel.

In the upcoming New York Times magazine, Matt Bai writes about how Clinton's campaign is a referendum of sorts on Bill Clinton's presidency. "Aside from a few partisans on each end of the spectrum, there aren’t neatly delineated camps on this question, with Clinton lovers on one side and critics on the other. Rather, a lot of Democrats seem genuinely conflicted, on practically an existential level, when it comes to Clinton. They almost uniformly admire the former president; 82 percent of Democrats polled by Fox News in November had a favorable opinion of Clinton, and, in a New York Times poll released earlier this month, 44 percent of Democratic voters said they were more inclined to support Hillary’s candidacy because of him. And yet, they regard with suspicion, if not outright resentment, the centrist forces he helped unleash on the party. They might love Bill Clinton, but they loathe Clintonism. And it is this conflict that has, in recent weeks, become a subtle but important theme of the 2008 campaign.”

EDWARDS: The New York Post reports, “A round of biased ‘push-polling’ that rips Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama - but touts John Edwards - has reportedly hit Iowa Democratic caucus-goers just two weeks before the voting starts there.”

OBAMA: The candidate will be holding a New Hampshire event today with independent voters, hoping to remind folks of his current strength with indies in both national and state polls.

The New York Times examines Obama's voting record in the Illinois state senate, and finds that he voted "present" on a lot of issues, including some very sensitive ones. Obviously, this is an opportunity for the Clinton camp to paint Obama as indecisive and afraid of taking on tough issues, but as the article notes, the voting record is quite nuanced. 

The Times: "Although a present vote is not unusual in Illinois, Mr. Obama’s use of it is being raised as he tries to distinguish himself as a leader who will take on the tough issues, even if it means telling people the ‘hard truths’ they do not want to hear. Obama’s aides and some allies dispute the characterization that a present vote is tantamount to ducking an issue. They said Mr. Obama cast 4,000 votes in the Illinois Senate and used the present vote to protest bills that he believed had been drafted unconstitutionally or as part of a broader legislative strategy."

An examination of Illinois records shows at least 36 times when Mr. Obama was either the only state senator to vote present or was part of a group of six or fewer to vote that way. In more than 50 votes, he seemed to be acting in concert with other Democrats as part of a strategy… In Illinois, political experts say voting present is a relatively common way for lawmakers to express disapproval of a measure. It can at times help avoid running the risks of voting no, they add."

The big example the NYT uses to show Obama using a "present" vote to duck an issue was on a juvenile justice bill. "The vote on the juvenile-justice bill appears to be a case when Mr. Obama, who represented a racially mixed district on the South Side of Chicago, faced pressure. It also occurred about six months before he announced an ultimately unsuccessful campaign against a popular black congressman, Bobby L. Rush."

The Hill finds that at least three Obama aides "were registered lobbyists for dozens of corporations, including Wal-Mart, British Petroleum and Lockheed Martin, while they received payments from his campaign, according to public documents… While many lobbyists are planning to travel to Iowa and New Hampshire after Christmas to stump for their favored candidates, others have taken more committed roles. At least 40 current and former lobbyists have received payments from top-tier presidential campaigns, according to public records that show K Street’s infiltration in the race and offer hints about who may wield influence in the next administration."

New Hampshire’s Portsmouth Herald endorses Obama.

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Just curious why didn't you mention the the Hill article says the same thing about Clinton AND EDWARDS.  They all have/had former not current lobbyist working for them.  Of course in all cases including Obama they resigned their current jobs to do it.
Hillary,  maybe the best way to support women is to get your brother to pay his child support:

December 20, 2007 -- Owe, brother!
Hillary Rodham Clinton's youngest sibling is a deadbeat dad who owes tens of thousands of dollars in child support to his politically connected ex, The Post has learned.
In a disclosure that could prove embarrassing for his sister, Anthony Rodham has stiffed his former wife, Nicole Boxer, out of $75,000 in child support, as well as $55,000 in alimony, a source close to the case said.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12202007/news/nationalnews/hills_brother_a_deadbeat_514395.htm
How many apology have we seen from Clinton's campaign? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Before we know it, Bill Clinton will be sending an apology is way also.

It seems the Clinton's campaign doesn't get it; Obama is not someone you can use as a punching bag. David Brooks sealed it in his last article and make a compelling argument on why he is so different. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/18/opinion/18brooks.html

As you may all know, politicians are good at telling lies and covering their past. Reverse is the case when it comes to Obama. He made his past public and tells the truth even if you don't agree with him.

I hope the Democratic Party count themselves as being lucky to have someone with that kind of candor in their party. If Obama were to be a Republican, Democrats can kiss this upcoming election good bye.
Mark Murray

Thanks for the nice story on Senator Biden's campaign worker.  I enjoyed reading it.
Hillary doesn't do the real dirty work. She has "people" that do that for her. When you're flush with Chinese money, it's easy to buy your hatchet men.
Bee wrote, "How many apology have we seen from Clinton's campaign? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Before we know it, Bill Clinton will be sending an apology is way also."
---I guesss it depends on different perspectives.  I would imagine it works for some people.  I have to admit that wouldn't work for me.  I believe these people are very smart individuals.  I do not believe those accusations are random.  I have a feeling there is a strategy at work here.  I think it is about doing the damage and apologize after.  It's probably done on the notion that most will accept the apologies and eventually forget about the accuser but not the accusation itself.  You may forget who made the accusation but if it creates doubt in someone's mind, the work is done.  I just base my opinion on the fact that these individuals certainly know better.  They are very accomplished and calculated people.  Is it a coincidence that it's mostly coming from folks who pretty much have nothing to lose?  I would like to see that coming from someone whose career is on the line.  Perhaps if it was Jeanne Shaheen referring to past drug use, I would interpret it as a mistake.
Obama is a talker, not a doer. He can talk honesty all he wants - but does jack.

Some make good
Some make bad
Obama makes excuses
This is typical Clinton, make up lies about people, have them audited, Call them Musliums, then say I know nothing about this. Her "people" are low lifes
Cancun Albertson, Miami Florida: Of course she doesn't do the dirty work - that is how all campaigns work.
This ia a quote from Sen. Kerrey's letter to Barack.Kerrey told Obama in the letter that was not his intent.

"I answered a question about your qualifications to be president in a way that has been interpreted as a backhanded insult of you. I assure you I meant to do just the opposite," Kerrey wrote.

He went on to say he considers Obama one of the most talented people he's met in politics and "exceptionally qualified by experience and judgment to be president of the United States." He expanded on Obama's potential to bring peace to the world and his capacity to inspire hope - high praise for someone backing Obama's top rival.

So much for Hillary saying Barack has No experience.
The story says and people in Illinois know, that voting present is used many times for party tactical reasons.
It is more of a tool to use to defeat something that the other party is trying to do to set the other party up.  It is used as a protest and it is used alot.
You have to understand Illinois politics and how Present is a tool in the arsenal.
It is not like voting present elsewhere.
Then, we have Hillary & Bill saying she was involved in every aspect of his Presidency, but in a NYtimes article today, this is what her spokesman has to say concerning donations to the Clinton Foundation."In a separate written response from Mrs. Clinton’s campaign, a spokesman, Phil Singer, said, “Senator Clinton is not involved in the fund-raising or operations of the Clinton Foundation."


" DELUSIONAL THINKING BY COMMON SENSE AMERICAN'S IS OVER "
As a side note, if Hillary had been endorsed by the Porthsmouth Herald in New hampshire instead of Barack, the headline for this thread would have been something like this. HILLARY GARNER'S ANOTHER HIGH PROFILE ENDORSEMENT. Nice of you 1st read to put Barack's endorsement at the bottom of this thread. Pro Hillary indeed.

" DELUSIONAL THINKING BY COMMON SENSE AMERICAN'S IS OVER"
Two pledged $1 million each while they or their companies were under investigation by the Justice Department.”

Ahhh......
Buying pardons again.....
One Million dollars?
Must have been their asking price....


“Other donations came from supporters who had been ensnared in campaign finance scandals surrounding Mr. Clinton’s 1996 re-election campaign.

Bill must have held the files over their heads to make them kick in a little more money for Hillary's campaign.....


“Clinton predicted that when she mentions in her inaugural address, ‘particularly the oil-producing countries, “We’re not going to be taken for a ride any longer. We’re going to stand up and say enough,” ... when I say that, those countries will know because they follow our elections, they follow what we do in our politics as closely as we do, they’ll know that I always try to do what I say.’” Clinton predicted those words would cause the price of oil to suddenly drop, to $60 or $70 a barrel.

Fox news likes to play a clip of a campaign rally in 2006, where Hillary tells people "If you want lower gas prices, vote for a democrat".  Of course Gas prices surged 57% higher since January 07, so it begs the question; Is Hillary saying that if you vote for me, you will have lower gas prices?  That is quite a statement considering prices are based on an open market.  Hillary learned a few things about lying from her husband; remember the tax cuts for the middle class back in the 90's?  Still waiting for those, it took President Bush to enact those promises.



“When I stand up in my inaugural address and say to the entire world, particularly the oil-producing countries, ‘We’re not going to be taken for a ride any longer. We’re going to stand up and say enough,’ ... when I say that, those countries will know because they follow our elections, they follow what we do in our politics as closely as we do, they’ll know that I always try to do what I say.”

Sounds like she has her own war plans ready and waiting.....





I would hope that most of us on this blog are intelligent people. If your brother does not pay child support is it your duty to pay? Answer that question! Why is this a Hillary Clinton issue. I find that the political process causes peolple not to think clearly and that is the reason why we are in the position that we are in.  Unfortunately, things will not change because anger and bitterness will ruin our system.  Wake up people stick to the issues.
Sean

Agreed. But usually you have low level nameless stooges do the dirty work. Hillary has husbands of governors and ex US Senators that are war heros doing her smears. It's amazing what money can buy you.
sean, the whole pot calling the kettle thing is getting annoying.  Who are you talk?  Obama has done way more for this country than you have.  All politicians are talkers you half wit, that's kinda what politics is all about.  The difference being both sides need to compromise on solutions, now none of us are really sure of the circumstances for Obama's present votes because we weren't there and we don't know fiirst hand, we can specualte all we want but the fact is we haven't a clue to why he voted that.
Judging by the man's intelligence, his integrity and character thus far through his life, I would say I bet he had a good reason to vote the way he did.
He may not have as much traditional washington experience but then again if you read at all you would know that some of our most beloved presidents had the same kinds of experience as Obama.  Perhaps that's why famed historian Ken Burns is endorsing Obama.  Because Ken obviously sees the same greatness in Obama that we all see in the likes of Lincoln or FDR or JFK.

I for one would welcome a historical great over another historical worst any day of the week.  And Hillary would clearly be the same thing as Bush on the other side of the aisle.  That's not what we need right now.
Obama does not have the experience and is not poilished enough to be the President of the United States.  His speeches and platforms are very superficial and scripted.  He can speak of the changes needed in our country, but what is his plan?  When asked an intense question, his faavorite response is "uh-uh" and then addresses the importance of the question without answering the question.  Hilary, on the other hand, is determined to make a difference and bring about the changes needed for our Country.  I think all running for office have deep roots in grass roots politics but this is a National Office, of course, that extends beyond then needs of local constituents.  We have experienced eight years of revitalization of our economy and national debt under a Clinton and we need them again!
Blair, I could not agree with you more.  Obama does not seem to stand up for the issues as illustrated in Illinois and the current Senate position by skipping the vote that Hillary had to make.  This was for the best for our troops whether one support the war or not.  Please people be fair.  We are in agreement that we want the best person in the White House and that is Hillary.  Until, someone can point out facts on issues why he/she hates Hillary, I will vote for her or Edwards.
Obama resonates throughout the early states and is better in the later stages of his campaigning. SC is going to be interesting. If Obma wins there the rest may fall his way in the South. There is real anxiety here on weather he is the real deal. I think the old guard is in for a real shocker !
GO OBAMA !
Everyone who has posted a comment in this forum (myself included) should be thankful for the right and ability to commit verbal homicide on anyone they want when ever they see fit. Shall we cut to the chase and all the negative nonsense that I read here please?

It's an old adage but it still is true to this day: The objective of the presidential election is to choose who we hope to be an individual whose ideas/ideals line up with our own politically as well as psychologically and morally. What it really is for us is choosing who we hope to be is the one who screws us over the least. Every candidate running right now has done it to someone else already... now we get to pick the one who does it to 260 million all at the same time.
[Also in Independence, Clinton said foreign nations who sell America oil will drop the price if she is elected President.
" ...Because they'll try to lull us once again into a false sense of security."
"They'll expect Americans and the oil companies to say, okay, fine, we got our prices down."]
--How can she possibly get away with saying something so baseless.  The Mideast countries or OPEC or whoever controls oil prices now aren't going to reduce gas prices simply as a result of Hillary Clinton, whoop ...  That is ridiculous.  She invented a conspiracy theory of the oil-producing region, and is simply playing on folks' fears of high gas prices, or trying to buy votes with a promise of lower gas prices.  These countries don't care about our administration, they care about the money.  They are not going to bow down for Clinton, they can always sell to China.  The high prices are not a result of our lazy energy policy.  A bill was just passed by Congress, did the oil cost plummet, no!  The high prices are because of the instability of the Middle East and increasing WORLD demand and any economist can add other reasons, but these are the main ones I know of.  It is a ridiculous statement, she should be taken to task by the media.  Why won't she quite making mistakes so that the media can focus on somebody else?!  Britney Spears of the political arena I say!
--Other conspiracies about gas prices Clinton has invented, price gouging.  And here she is doing such again.  Once again, offering no workable solutions.
--Two things are making us 'go green': Al Gore's influence and higher energy costs.  So, she is partially correct that reducing the cost burden would also likely reduce the American concern for climate change, maybe.  But I think we would still care.

I thought Bill was the Clinton spouting hot air, but Hillary seems to just as much.  Outrages!  But neither this nor Bill's promise that G.H.W. Bush would help him tell the world about a new foreign policy, in the face of his son, while his son is still in office--which is just bad politics or rude, she can wait until she's inaugurated.  Even more Outrages!!  And yet, I seem to be the only one fuming over these Outrages statements.  Am I in the wrong?
"present"
I read the article on Obama's present votes.  I'm still uncertain why the man who claims to be so firm in his convictions and always stands up for what he believes in chose to not take a stand on so many occasions.  

In some instances, the legislation under consideration (such as the juvenile crime bill) would have presented a very tricky situation for Obama in which either a yes or no vote could put his state senate seat on the line.  So he voted present.  How is this standing up for what he believes in?  How is this not playing the political game?

In other cases, as with the abortion bills, there was a strategy in place by pro choice organizations such as Planned Parenthood, and his present vote was in compliance with that strategy.  How is this standing up for what he believes in?  How is this not playing the political game?

Still other present votes were made to safeguard other Democrats in the IL State Senate who were in tight races or largely Republican districts.  The Democrats voted present, rather than no, defeating the Republican-sponsored bills without having to put their necks on the line.  How is this standing up for what he believes in?  How is this not playing the political game?

I have no problem with employing these sorts of strategies at all.  The problem I see is that this makes Obama a political game player as much as any of the other candidates.  His entire campaign is based on the notion of change...particularly changing the way things are done in Washington.  But yet throughout his career, he has played the game just like everyone else.  

When did he decide to stop playing?  It seems to me, that was about the same time he started to run for president.  
A Piece from the Charlie Rose Show.

Bill Clinton’s performance on the Charlie Rose Show on Friday night showed a defensive, angry, and off message former president trying desperately to sell his wife’s faltering candidacy. Throughout the interview, Clinton repeatedly tried to disparage Obama’s experience, and, in the process, distorted some important aspects of American presidential history (including his own) while conveniently forgetting about others.
First, he brazenly claimed that he hadn’t run for president in 1988 because "in my bones I did not feel I was ready" to be president. Noting that "I had several governors urging me to run," the former president tried to leave the impression that it was his wisdom in recognizing his own inexperience that led him to take himself out of the race. While this version of history may be convenient for the husband of a candidate falling behind Barack Obama in the early primaries, it is simply not true. It’s another Clinton rewrite on history.
Those who were there when Governor Clinton suddenly decided not to run in 1988 will clearly recall that it was solely because of the serious threat of his extra-marital affairs seeing the light of day. It had nothing to do with experience.
He had seen what happened to Gary Hart and knew that he could not risk the same outing. After running a strong but losing race against Walter Mondale in 1984, Hart was heavily favored for the 1988 nomination until he dared reporters to follow him after they raised questions about extra-marital affairs. They took him up on his offer and ran right into his tryst with Donna Rice. The resulting publicity knocked Hart out of the presidential running. This was not the time for Bill Clinton to venture into a presidential race with the formidable baggage he was carrying.
To make Bill Clinton understand this, his former chief of staff Betsey Wright sat down with him and made him list the names of all of the women with whom he had been involved. Through this exercise, she forced him to confront the political peril they posed. Sobered, Clinton decided not to run.
Heres another piece:
The former president's memory of history was equally faulty when he rhetorically questioned whether America had ever elected a president as inexperienced as Obama. The answer is: yes, we have -- and they turned out to be the two greatest presidents of the 20th Century. Woodrow Wilson was first elected to public office in 1908 when he was chosen to be governor of New Jersey. Four years later, he was in the White House. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was first elected governor of New York State in 1928 and became president four years later.
If Obama, elected to the U.S. Senate in 2004, becomes president in 2008, he will have exactly duplicated the experience in statewide elected office of Wilson and FDR. Wilson's previous experience as president of Princeton and FDR's as a one term State Senator and defeated VP candidate, presumably are not far from Obama's six year tenure in the Illinois State Senate as far as experience goes.
But it was not his failure to recall history accurately that led his apparently panicked aides -- as reported on air by Rose -- to push for an end to the embarrassing interview. It was that Bill had taken off the gloves by implying that electing Obama was risk for the American people. And he appeared to agree when Rose characterized the former president's views as suggesting that electing Obama would be "a roll of the dice."
Everyone is talking about Sen's. Obama and Clinton as being the Dem. candidate, when the person with the most experience, the one they are all copying is Sen. Biden.  Wake up people, he is the one.
It comes down to this: Do we want to continue fighting against "the other side" (either "the liberals" or "the conservatives")? If we do, the country is SCREWED. Nothing will get done, and each side will force through whatever little bits of useless ideological agenda they can. Meanwhile, the real problems will be left for another day, as is happening now.

Take a good hard look at the candidates, on both sides of the aisle. Who do you think will actually be able to end the partisan war? Who will actually manage to keep the focus on getting things done instead of stopping the other guy?

Personally, I think Obama and McCain have the best chance of uniting people, and Obama more than McCain.

Why? Well, Obama over Clinton mostly because her rhetoric points to a Clinton presidency much like the last one, steeped in partisan rancor. She talks a lot about "beating the Republicans," which has me convinced she's planning on a lot of 50% + 1 victories.

See, I absolutely HATE 50% + 1 victories. Those aren't victories at all--they'll be undone the minute your side loses the balance of power. I am sick of seesaw Congresses and threats of filibuster (if they're so against withdrawing the troops, then MAKE THEM FILIBUSTER IT YOU COWARDS). I'm sick of seeing the little, near-useless guestures (like the piddly increase in the minimum wage, which has been STAGNANT for a DECADE) passed while the real work collects dust because "the other side" refuses to let it through.

We need someone who wants REAL victories for America. We need someone with the vision to fix our education, healthcare, immigration, and spending systems. We need someone who won't just capitulate the minute someone threatens to filibuster. If they want to filibuster, they had better go get a friggin' dictionary and a phone book, because the THREAT of FILIBUSTER SHOULD NOT KILL LEGISLATION. Only a REAL FILIBUSTER should ever even have a CHANCE at doing that.

I'm sorry, but everything Obama has said about Clinton is absolutely true: she is running a textbook campaign and she'll say anything to win. Find that interview where she was asked about what the risk in electing Obama was, and see how she tried to pull a Slick Willy--too bad she's not as slick as he was, and she came off looking LAME AS HELL.

And to you Clinton supporters who will probably denounce me as angry and unfair to Clinton: I gave her a chance and honestly wanted to be able to support her if she won the nomination, but now I just can't. I just don't like her or the way she's running. Her policy positions are fine, but she's just a shrewd, cold politician, like Kerry was. I am SICK of that. My vote will be for Obama (and no, it probably won't matter, since I live in CT).
Stability or lack thereof in the Middle East is only partially (but a good portion) to blame for oil prices out of control. Surely someone has taken note that there are people and businesses here in the states invested in oil? Surely they have enjoyed the ride of the price per barrel of oil skyrocketing out of control? By way of them buying more and more into the oil stocks, it also hikes the price of the barrel.

I bet those dividend checks look pretty good.

On the flip side of that... guess who gets the sticker shock?

hmmm?
With all this so-called experience, why are Clinton folk consistently having to apologize to Obama for unfounded remarks? Frankly speaking if I were Barack I'd tell them to keep their apologies and shove it. It's game time and they know exactly what they're doing. Time to fight fire with fire. Now they're using Edwards' opinion to try to attack Barack. What a pathetic display of supposed "experience".
A Piece from the Charlie Rose Show.

Bill Clinton’s performance on the Charlie Rose Show on Friday night showed a defensive, angry, and off message former president trying desperately to sell his wife’s faltering candidacy. Throughout the interview, Clinton repeatedly tried to disparage Obama’s experience, and, in the process, distorted some important aspects of American presidential history (including his own) while conveniently forgetting about others.
First, he brazenly claimed that he hadn’t run for president in 1988 because "in my bones I did not feel I was ready" to be president. Noting that "I had several governors urging me to run," the former president tried to leave the impression that it was his wisdom in recognizing his own inexperience that led him to take himself out of the race. While this version of history may be convenient for the husband of a candidate falling behind Barack Obama in the early primaries, it is simply not true. It’s another Clinton rewrite on history.
Those who were there when Governor Clinton suddenly decided not to run in 1988 will clearly recall that it was solely because of the serious threat of his extra-marital affairs seeing the light of day. It had nothing to do with experience.
Hey Sean, don't get your ass whipped!
Another Piece from the show.

He had seen what happened to Gary Hart and knew that he could not risk the same outing. After running a strong but losing race against Walter Mondale in 1984, Hart was heavily favored for the 1988 nomination until he dared reporters to follow him after they raised questions about extra-marital affairs. They took him up on his offer and ran right into his tryst with Donna Rice. The resulting publicity knocked Hart out of the presidential running. This was not the time for Bill Clinton to venture into a presidential race with the formidable baggage he was carrying.
To make Bill Clinton understand this, his former chief of staff Betsey Wright sat down with him and made him list the names of all of the women with whom he had been involved. Through this exercise, she forced him to confront the political peril they posed. Sobered, Clinton decided not to run.
The former president's memory of history was equally faulty when he rhetorically questioned whether America had ever elected a president as inexperienced as Obama. The answer is: yes, we have -- and they turned out to be the two greatest presidents of the 20th Century. Woodrow Wilson was first elected to public office in 1908 when he was chosen to be governor of New Jersey. Four years later, he was in the White House. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was first elected governor of New York State in 1928 and became president four years later.
If Obama, elected to the U.S. Senate in 2004, becomes president in 2008, he will have exactly duplicated the experience in statewide elected office of Wilson and FDR. Wilson's previous experience as president of Princeton and FDR's as a one term State Senator and defeated VP candidate, presumably are not far from Obama's six year tenure in the Illinois State Senate as far as experience goes.
But it was not his failure to recall history accurately that led his apparently panicked aides -- as reported on air by Rose -- to push for an end to the embarrassing interview. It was that Bill had taken off the gloves by implying that electing Obama was risk for the American people. And he appeared to agree when Rose characterized the former president's views as suggesting that electing Obama would be "a roll of the dice."
When Hillary or Bill attack Obama, they only antagonize voters. Particularly at risk are the black voters who make up the bulk of the Democratic electorate in South Carolina and who will heavily influence the Florida primary vote as well. Reeling from a week of ill considered personal attacks on Obama, the Clinton campaign sought to recover its footing only to stumble badly once again when an out-of-control spouse, who happens to have been president, put them back in the doghouse with Democratic voters.
Sometimes even a loyal husband does more harm.
I think that whole "present" thing is pretty cool. I like learning of cool strategies politicians sometimes use. I find it very interesting
Obama pastor is a racist. Tucker carlson talk about this. Why is Obama running away from his pastor. What judgement did he make to be associate with a pastor people believe is a racist. I am a white quy from Iowa.
IOWA SHOULD KNOW THAT IF OBAMA IS NOMINATED AS DEMOCTRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IN 2008 BUT HE WILL NOT WILL GENERAL ELECTION IN 2008 WITH REPUBLICAN CADIDATE FOR SURE THEREFORE IOWAIN PEOPLE CHOOSE RIGHT DEMOCRATIC CADIDATE WHO CAN BEAT REPUBLICAN IN GENERAL ELECTION 2008
The TRUTH on "present" votes in Illinois.  Hillary Clinton just doesn't understand the legislative process in Illinois, but can you blame her?  She only has 6 years of experience in elected office.  Obama has 11.  She still has some learning to do.

http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/20/fact_check_present_votes_are_a.php
NSMSNBC

I also thought that Senator Clinton's comments on how her election and inaugural address would cause oil prices to come down was a bit of a stretch. For some one who doesn't want to be pinned down to specifics promises, I was very surprised that she made those comments-- unless she has been in contact with leaders of oil producing countries and has some information not commonly known. Possible, I guess.
Seems to me that Hillary and her people have used up all their attack lines against Obama and her now descended to another low.....Only two week to go before another 'Howard Dean scream'.....
Get your minds back in the gutter where they belong .Quit living with what bill did and aceppt that Bush has ruined your country and soon even the richest of us will reap what he has sown.
Lets face it Obama is the republicans best chance and that is why they all back his effort and help him any way possible ask Scarmymindboro or rush or any right winger they will start gushing over Obama right Chris Mattews
Cancun Albertson, Miami Florida: Hey, if she can get people that high up doing her smears, the more power to her.

thanks for your comment, it truly shows you are intelligent and not filled with vitriol like some of the others here.
The Hill's headline is deceptive, and shamefully biased against Obama. The article says that all the major campaigns have lobbyists on their payrolls, so why create a headline that makes it look like this is an Obama scandal brewing? I'm offended by the headlinw. The article is labled a news item, but the title is an editorial comment. Shame on the Hill, and shame on Mike for repeating and perpetuating such a biased, soundbite headline. It's the same thing Hilary's surrogates have been doing lately.
Perhaps if Hillary (6 yrs in US Senate) had the LEGISLATIVE experience that Obama has (8 yrs in State Senate, 3 yrs in US Senate and a Professor in Constitutional Law), she would know why he responded "present."
Mark:  First of all thanks for a balanced and unbiased article.  Naturally none of us agree with everthing anyone else says all the time. To be able to disagree is part of this wonderful democratoc process. Of course all candidates have strengths and weaknesses.  I support HILLARY because of her experience and she benefits from Bill Clinton's successful presidency. That is why 80% of democtats approve of him.

We all dislike negative campaigning, but the person who introduced that in this campaign is Edwards, which later was followed by Obama.  At least Bob Kerry had the decency to appologize.  During Edwards 6 years in the senate, he should state what he accomplished other than apologizing for his earlier votes and mistakes.

Obama"s numerous "present" votes in Illinois and skipping the important votes in the senate is an illustration of avoiding sensitive/controversial issues. There is a pattern here.

Besides general election is not going to be a cake walk.  Be ready for more negative and ugly campaigning from the Republicans.
The present votes that Obama cast were 130 out of 4000 votes.  He used that tactic for a variety of reasons.  Sometimes it was a strategic plan of the Illinois Democratic party.  Some were for a strategy endorsed by the pro-choice lobby, to protect the seats of loyal supporters like Barrack from being backed into a corner by the Republican controlled leadership.  A few times he did so because he as an expert he knew the law might be worthwhile, but was unconstitutional.

Obama has a lot of accomplishments that he can site from his many years of elected service.  More than Hillary or Edwards has.  None of the candidates have much foreign policy experience that relates to being president.  Richardson comes the closest.  It's not about experience, but about making good decisions and surrounding yourself with quality people.  Hillary has a bad track record on both counts.  These reasons are why Bush has been such a failure not inexperience.
Obama has my vote! Even if he or Edwards doesn't win the nomination, 2008 will be the first year I vote Republican.
....Can't you just picture it.....I bet EVEN bin laden likes Obama. You talk about world peace tactics. I bet for the first time even he might put down his hatred towards America and VOTE!
All three latest Iowa polls show Clinton in the lead.
How about MSNBC talk about those for a change?
Check out realclearpolitics.com.


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