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Surrogates talk up Hillary's experience

Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2007 3:08 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC/NJ's Athena Jones
GRUNDY CENTER, IA -- Clinton and several of her supporters from military and diplomatic circles used the first stop on the last day of her Iowa blitz to talk about the importance of nominating a candidate who has foreign policy experience. She was joined by Gen. Wesley Clark, former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Richard Holbrooke, former Army and VA Secretary Togo West, and Gen. Robert Gard.

Her campaign said she would be joined by other members of the military and foreign policy establishment at campaign stops throughout the day.

The senator set forth an optimistic view of what she’d do around the world, recapping some of what she laid out in an article in Foreign Affairs several weeks ago. "We need to restore America’s leadership with a new beginning, a new commitment to building the world we want, rather than just defending against the world we fear. We need a strong and aggressive foreign policy that stresses cooperation with other countries and reflects our American values,” Clinton told the crowd gathered in the theater of Grundy Center High School here, saying fear shouldn’t be the defining message of an American president.

She talked about her work on the Senate Armed Services Committee, about representing the country abroad as first lady and spoke more specifically than usual about her plans for Iraq, without actually saying anything new. She said she would begin withdrawing troops -- one or two combat brigades a month -- within 60 days of being elected, and said she had worked to make sure the Bush administration could not enter into any agreement to establish permanent bases in Iraq without asking Congress. (After the speech Clark explained that a brigade is about 3,500 or so soldiers and declined to estimated how many troops might need to be left behind.)

"It is tempting any time things seem quieter for a minute on the international front to think that we don’t need a president who’s up to speed on foreign affairs and military matters. Well, that’s the kind of logic that got us George Bush in the first place. Experience in foreign affairs is critical for ending the war in Iraq, averting war in Iran, negotiating a Middle East peace and dealing with North Korea. At this time of year when we all wish for peace, I intend to be a president who moves us closer to that peace and restores our greatness and our moral authority in the world; a president with the strength and experience to lead on day one; a president who doesn’t just talk about change but delivers it,” Clinton said.

She also mentioned the recent National Intelligence Estimate that concluded Iran had ended its nuclear weapons program in 2003. "That’s good news both for our security and because it undercuts President Bush and Vice President Cheney and their beating the drums for war. It makes it virtually impossible for President Bush to continue his bellicose language and his warmongering. What we need is diplomacy and I’m hoping that President Bush will actually do that now,” she said.

The campaign this week launched a series of feel-good video testimonials by friends and constituents talking about the senator, a bid to humanize a candidate who has high negative ratings and whom even some supporters feel can be remote, cold, and politically calculating. At today’s event, they sought to combine the personal argument with the experience argument -- with each of the speakers including some personal story about the senator in their brief remarks before she took to the podium.

"You’re just someone that people like to be around and gravitate to,” Clark told the senator, as he spoke about meeting her some 24 years ago and emphasized her decisiveness and her knowledge of foreign and domestic policy. "I watched her as she was first lady of the United States,” he said. “I watched her interact with sergeants and privates. I watched her with colonels and generals. I watched her talk personal. I watched her talk policy. She was superb. She did it all. The troops gathered around her. They respected her; they liked her.”

And, as if in response to a criticism of Clinton by Barack Obama, Clark said: “I don’t think you have to be a secretary of the Treasury to learn a lot. I think the best experience you can get is from watching other people and learning from their experience. She’s been deeply engaged in policy and issues since the 1972 McGovern campaign. There’s nobody who has more experience at running for office or more experience on what to do once you get in office than Hillary Rodham Clinton.”

*** UPDATE *** Republican National Committee spokesman Danny Diaz emails First Read this response to Clinton's speech: “Once again, Senator Clinton is trying to convince the American people that she has the ‘experience’ to lead, while refusing to allow the public to review voluminous documents related to her time in the White House.  In a time of war, can we really afford to trust a candidate who doesn’t trust us enough to evaluate the facts and make our own determination?”

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Obama has over 60 foreign policy experts who endorsed him too.  Big whoop!

http://www.barackobama.com/2007/12/19/over_60_foreign_policy_experts.php
Right out of the republican play book. If you say it enough times then it will become fact. Just because they say she is experienced, does not mean it is the right kind.
Xavier Hollander had experience. Is she qualified for president?
Clinton told the crowd gathered in the theater of Grundy Center High School here, saying fear shouldn’t be the defining message of an American president.

S he sounds like Obama, I think that she is copying him now and she dares speak of experience.

Told you she just listens tgo the other candidates and the later cop it as her own.

She a fraud.

Obama has always stated that the president of the United States shpuld not fear other countries that disagree with us that we should talk to the countries.

Now how is she going to act and start talking like Obama when everyone knows he was the first to say that.


Worst than that Bill The former president's memory of history was equally faulty when he rhetorically questioned whether America had ever elected a president as inexperienced as Obama. The answer is: yes, we have -- and they turned out to be the two greatest presidents of the 20th Century. Woodrow Wilson was first elected to public office in 1908 when he was chosen to be governor of New Jersey. Four years later, he was in the White House. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was first elected governor of New York State in 1928 and became president four years later.


OBAMA 08' all the WAY baby!!!
Just curious how exactly does someone who voted to go to War in Iraq without bothering to read the NIE have any credibility to "restore America's leadership" in the world.  How will people around the globe view someone like that?  How will people in other countries see Hillary as any change from Bush when Bill is telling people that the way to "restore America's leadership" is to enlist Bush Sr. on a diplomatic tour?  How will Hillary "restore America's leadership" when she's running a campaign premised on the notion that she is somehow entitled to the Presidency?
'...She talked about her work on the Senate Armed Services Committee, about representing the country abroad as first lady...'

Cutting ribbons ?
Olivia Newton-John once served as 'Ambassador to the Enivronment'
Does that qualify her to be President ?

Paris Hilton is named after Paris
IS SHE EXPERIENCED, too ?
That Hillary, what a gal !!


'...and spoke more specifically than usual about her plans for Iraq, without actually saying anything new...'

Is THAT GETTING OLD OR WHAT ?
She doesn't say anything new...
She's 'experience' ?
WHAT EXPERIENCE ?

'.... Experience in foreign affairs is critical for ending the war in Iraq, averting war in Iran...'

Hillary VOTED FOR WAR WITH IRAQ !!
Hillary VOTED FOR WAR WITH IRAN !!
'Experienced' Hillary ?

Hillary Bo Peep
has lost her sheep....
and doesn't know where to find them .....

CROOKED IS AS CROOKED DOES
“Hillary has a keen sense of entitlement,” Bay Buchanan, author of "The Extreme Makeover of Hillary (Rodham) Clinton," has told me. “She doesn’t admit mistakes or learn from them. She believes in her own mind that she doesn’t have to take responsibility for things she’s done in the past. She can say whatever it is she wants to say today, and it’s as if the slate is clean and nothing has occurred before this.”

Why is she even a senator I can not see.
Hillary Clinton, 15 years of dishonesty, scandal and divisiveness.
Has no "EXPERIENCE" managing any kind of business.
Has no "EXPERIENCE" managing any cities.
Has no "EXPERIENCE" managing any communities.

Promises that she know damn well she will not keep,
she's just like bush. If you are'nt there to scream & yell her name ( like an idiot) she wants None of You. It's very telling of her ( claiming to be the anti-bush) then doing the very things we've despised for the last several years.Politics as usual, I THINK THE AMERICAN VOTERS HAS GOTTEN WAY PAST THAT & not a moment to soon.
She runs as the candidate with the most experience only because she says it is so.  THIS DO NOT MAKE YOU EXPERIENCED, AND 8 YEAR AS FIRST LADY SURE DOESN`T.

OBAMA HAS DEFIED EXPECTATGIONS AT EVERY TURN AND HAS
ACHIEVED QUITE A BIT ON HIS OWN.  
OBAMA/EDWARSD '08.
Obama can bring this country together.  This is what we need.  No more polarizing figures who will divide and keep dividing this country.


Best Ticket: OBAMA/EDWARDS '08
Generals have long been accused of always fighting the last War instead of figuring out how to fight the current war.
Apparently some of them have issues with changes of leadership as well.
Frankly I am done with the current President, I am done with the President before him and I am done with the current presidents Daddy. I Don't even want to deal with current Presidents predecessors Wife taking over for the current president whose brother couldn't run for the job as planned due to the amazing failure of his brother the current President as compared to their fathers performance as President before he lost to the current Democratic front runners husband.
When you've lost your way, at some point you have nothing to lose in choosing another direction.
These people have had their chance for the past 20 years. They do not need 8 more.
We can do better.
Change NOW!
Change for the sake of Change!
Giv'em hell Hill! BTW, I have come to the conclusion that the main reason that Clinton supporters and Obama supporters...um don't seem to get along, is for this reason: Clinton backers are pragmatists and Obama supporters are idealists. The same is true for each candidate. And pragmatism and idealism just don't go together. This is probably why obama gets more support from college students (what college kid isn't idealistic?). Unfortunately, history has shown that the so called "youth vote" doesn't actually turn out in significant enough numbers to ever be the deciding factor in an election for president. Anybody remember Howard Dean? yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaawwww!Given my new found insight, here is the Iowa result on January 3: 1.) Clinton, 2.) Edwards, 3.) Obama.
clinton campaign launches two websites for the sole purpose of smearing barack obama using words such as cowardly. article at yahoo.com

clinton campaign launches two websites for the sole purpose of smearing barack obama using words such as cowardly. article at yahoo.com

Hillary Clinton has the right message for restoring our credibility, image and relevance in foreign affairs.  Everyone else's message would bring us to WWIII.  Hillary will make us the true super power we once were before Bush messed that up too.
Sounds like the Clinton's are desparate.
There's is no doubt that in this troublesome times, Hillary should be elected.  Unfortunate the bias media of MSNBC not to mention Chris Mathews and Tucker keep on spreading their hate messages.  I just hope that the audiences and viewers do not accept and take it for what it is a campaign against Hillary.
WHAT experience?  She was a failed president's wife...period!  She has done nothing as a Senator (wouldn't even represent her own state of Arkansas).  She's just another professional politician- and not a very good one at that.  ANYONE is better that Bill Jr.
Establishment people, defending the establishment candidate - big surprise.  Hillary has never actually delivered any change in all this experience that she claims to have, so she should stop acting like she has a proven ability to do it.  Not that I really believe she wants to.  If we are to believe that proximity to the presidency is so valuable to becoming a good president, why didn't it work out that way with Bush II?  

It is becoming very clear that Clinton's withdrawal from Iraq, will be as slow as the American people will let her get away with.  Only now that the American people have become mistakenly pacified on the issue, is she willing to give any concrete numbers.  And she is completely pandering on the Iran issue.  When she had the opportunity to not vote hawkishly on Iran, she sided with Cheney.  Bush has already made it clear that the NIE changes nothing in his mind, so her vote is not excused now.  

As for Obama missing the Iran vote, that everyone is always complaining about.  He had made it clear he would be voting no, and the Senate leadership purposefully mislead him about when the vote was going to be, so that his argument against Hillary's vote could be weakened.  More establishment people, trying to protect the Washinton status quo.

Be clear when you go to vote.  Clinton's idea of change is to get back to the 90's.  We need more than that.  She claims to be the most experienced candidate and the most experienced politician in this race, but she has made bad voting decisions and terrible campaigning decisions.

Say no to this establishment, which caters to the special interests to the detriment of the American people at the ballot box.  
I'm tired of hearing about Hillary's experience.  She used her experienct to vote to support the war in Iraq and the vote against Iran.  Experience means nothing if you don't have the judgement to use it correctly.  Biden, Dodd, and Richardson all outweigh her in experience.  Being First Lady is not experience to be president; do you think Laura Bush is going to claim that she too can run the country?  The voters are really gullible is they fall for this.
Bill is telling people that the way to "restore America's leadership" is to enlist Bush Sr. on a diplomatic tour?

No one asked Bush Sr.
and guess what he says............I`m not their man and  I won`t be traveling anywhere with Bill on behalf
of HRC.

He spoke out of turn as well as she did.
Bush Sr. will no be supporting this crap.


I think HRC has finally nlost her mind.


Obama 08'

Ask Bill again why he didn`t run fo president when he really wanted to.
I`m sure he has forgotten that the reason he didn`t is because:
First, he brazenly claimed that he hadn’t run for president in 1988 because Bill:"in my bones I did not feel I was ready" to be president. Noting that "I had several governors urging me to run," the former president tried to leave the impression that it was his wisdom in recognizing his own inexperience that led him to take himself out of the race. While this version of history may be convenient for the husband of a candidate falling behind Barack Obama in the early primaries, it is simply not true. It’s another Clinton rewrite on history.
Those who were there when Governor Clinton suddenly decided not to run in 1988 will clearly recall that it was solely because of the serious threat of his extra-marital affairs seeing the light of day. It had nothing to do with experience.

They are forever rewritting history.
She claims she has experience and she doesn`t.
She calims that she ahs been fighting the republicans
well guess what HRC you have lost each and every fight with them as I don`t see or haven`t seem any results from these so call fights.

AND GUESS WHAT ELSE, being the first lady for 8 years do not make you experience.


OBAMA 08'
Thank you Rob.

We need pragmatism. Idealism has no place here and now.

HRC has what it takes to do America good - experience, determination, commitment, leadership,a good grasp of foreign policy that makes us respected abroad.

She has the added advntage of wise counsel from a man who did America proud, Blii Clinton.

Go Hillary Go!
BigoldTexan - lol, you make Clinton sound like a scientologist.
She once tuned me into a newt!!
Geez. What experience???? Stop lying to the people, Clinton(s).

Why would any  soldier suppot HILLARY who is supported by KOS who runs our soldiers down.  Remember the General Betreaus ad, and her critizism of him.  I would think no soldier would re enlist and others would retire; RESULT NO MILITARY  NO PROTECTION
PLEASE DAVE FROM DALLAS  HILLARY IS NOT FROM ARKANSAS IF FACT SHE CALLED ALL ARKANSANS HICKS WHEN SHE FIRST ARRIVED WITH BILL, AND WOULD NOT EVEN USE HIS LAST NAME WHEN FIRST MARRIED,TILL HE LOST ELECTION. WHEN SHE CAME FROM CALIFORNIA SHE WAS WORKING FOR A WELL KNOWN COMMUNIST LAW FIRM DEFENDING THE BLACK PANTHERS FOR MURDER AND TERROSIMN, WITHOUT A LAW DEGREE, SHE FLUNKED THE EXAM, BILL GOT HER THROUGH WHEN HE TAUGHT LAW IN ARKANSAS LATER.
  Hilary Clinton does not want to protect America, she wants to sell it to the highest bidder.  Her husband's NAFTA policy has become the greatest challenge to American Security by sucking American jobs and industrial power overseas and into the hands of China and India.  The "arsenal of democracy" has been weakened by the Clintons.  If she were president, she would probably buy U.S. Military uniforms from China, give them our technology to make weapons for us (which they would use against us), and in general destroy what's left of our industrial base  to further the profits of her multinational corporate masters and her Chinese and India friends.  How much money have the Clinton's and their foundations received from China? Do we need to wait for the other Tsu to drop?
  We need someone as president who will work to restore our country's industrial base and create jobs for Americans.  John Edwards is the answer, he is the only one who will stand up to Clinton's multinational corporate masters.  Edwards/Richardson 2008
Two boys and a girl were trying to see who could make a straight line forming a peaceful path across the middleeast. Only one (the girl) succeeded. When asked how she managed to do it, her responds was :I have more experience! One of the boy's lines ended up twisted around the Pakistan offending the tribal leaders, the other boy's line ended up in the mountains of Arabia tribal leader land. The young girl looked at the other two boys and said: It was easy, I kept my eyes fixed on Iraq and had the soldiers that I left to guard the borders show me how to draw the line." To all viewers: it will take patience, name recognition, and Experience to accomplish this goal.
Two boys and a girl were trying to see who could make a straight line forming a peaceful path across the middleeast. Only one (the girl) succeeded. When asked how she managed to do it, her responds was :I have more experience! One of the boy's lines ended up twisted around the Pakistan offending the tribal leaders, the other boy's line ended up in the mountains of Arabia tribal leader land. The young girl looked at the other two boys and said: It was easy, I kept my eyes fixed on Iraq and had the soldiers that I left to guard the borders show me how to draw the line." To all viewers: it will take patience, name recognition, and Experience to accomplish this goal.
I'm reading these blogs and I think political discourse is wonderful.  I just wish it were more reasoned...and accurate.  The question I've seen a few times regarding Sen Clinton, is What Experience?
Well, besieds working on legal/health issues for children and the poor most of her life (Children's Defense Fund/US Legal Services Corp), she traveled extensively as First Lady for 8 years.  Yes, she was often the face of the US.  Were these more than just photo ops?   Well, I remember the amazingly brave and brilliant speech she gave to China regarding human and women's rights.  She tackled Health Care and Schip while First Lady.  No, she didn't always succeed and yes, she has made mistakes.  She's pretty good about learning from those, though.
Does being the First Lady of a Governor for 12 years and then of the President for 8 years count for experience.  Well, I think that depends on the person.  For Eleanor Roosevelt and Edith Wilson, Nancy Reagan, they were very involved with their husbands presidencies, so yes.  Barbara and Laura Bush have been traditional First Ladies, so no.
National Elected Office?
7 years
Senate Armed Services Committee
Extensive Bi-partisan work both with colleagues and here in New York where she has won quite a lot of us over with her hard work.  (Upstate New York is an economic mess.)
Do I agree with her Iran resolution vote.  No.  But I have never agreed completely with any politician.  And she showed up.  I think it is disingenous to criticize someone for a vote you didn't show up for.  
And finally, she's from Illinois, not Arkansas.  Just to keep the facts straight.  

Barack, on the other hand, is one of the most inspirational speakers I have ever seen.  He has Statewide elected experience of 8 years and National Elected experience of 3 years.  But in all that time, he has really not taken many public stands on things.  Certainly not too many controversial items.  And he has not created any bills or legislation on his own, but has signed on to others.  I have not seen much political courage.  I'm discounting both his Iraq stance because he was not in the position to vote on this at the time and I have not seen him vote differently from Clinton on Iraq since then.  His specifics on so many plans are non-existant or so vague.  He has not bowled me away by his knowledge of the complexities and specifics of the issues and how he would specifically change them.  He has shown more of a willingness to fight back charges recently, which is good, but I really think the Republican machine would just eat him alive.
Our government is so corrupted and broken.  We don't have time for the inevitable stumbles that a first year administration makes.  
I think Hillary has the experience to make the changes needed. And Barack does not...yet. But give him some time..  If he actually puts some specifics and actual experience behind his rhetoric, if he actually shows he can accomplish some of those things--then look out!
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