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Chuck Todd, NBC Political Director

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Domenico Montanaro, NBC News Political Reporter



First thoughts: Calling Rudy

Posted: Friday, December 21, 2007 9:22 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** Will we hear from Rudy today? Our guess is yes. The campaign won't resume a normal schedule until Saturday, but given that yesterday's various delays in releasing Giuliani from the hospital only added to the questions those of us in the media have about the mayor's condition, don't be surprised if we do hear from him -- perhaps via a radio interview or even on the TV. We're guessing the Giulianis were very surprised by the media's intense interest in his condition all. It's one of the things that can surprise first-time presidential candidates. But doctor visits or hospital stays that can be seen as routine for civilians can become GIANT stories overnight for presidential candidates. Just ask Bill Bradley, whose heart scare in the heat of the primary with Gore may have been a bigger issue than the campaign ever realized. 

*** Doing Hillary’s dirty work? As we’ve noted over the past week, Clinton has stopped engaging Obama and instead has shown her softer side (in testimonials and TV ads). But that doesn’t mean the anti-Obama jabs from the Clinton campaign have stopped. Yesterday, three Clinton surrogates -- Reps. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, Anthony Weiner, and Joe Crowley -- held a conference call with reporters whacking Obama over his “present” votes while serving in the Illinois legislature. (Just asking: Has any other campaign used its congressional supporters to attack a fellow colleague?) And the pro-Clinton AFSCME, using Edwards’ name, is hitting Obama over the issue of health care. Indeed, the Obama campaign emailed reporters that, per FEC numbers, pro-Clinton groups (like AFSCME, AFT, and Emily’s List) have spent $2.1 million in independent expenditures, while pro-Edwards groups have spent $1.3 million.

*** Pushing back: McCain's decision to address the Drudge rumor so publicly -- as his campaign did in a statement yesterday -- is probably a risk. Does he dare the New York Times to run the story (about allegedly doing favors for a lobbyist) now? Every night at approximately 10:00 pm ET, the campaign will no doubt begin refreshing the Times’ Web site to see if the piece is running that night. Perhaps the piece runs on the 24th or 25th? McCain's lawyer Bob Bennett spoke to the Washington Post's Kurtz and equated the potential firestorm with McCain's troubles in 2000 in South Carolina. Will McCain's aggressive pushback eventually mitigate the damage the story does if it runs and if the allegations are proven true? Dealings with a lobbyist could be deadly to McCain's straight-talking image.

*** Romney's memory (or lack thereof): The Romney campaign ought to be glad that between Rudy and Drudge, many in the press corps were distracted from what wasn't a smooth answer to the question of whether Mitt saw his father march with MLK. It turns out his father never did… The danger in this story for Romney is that it could add to this notion that he'll say anything to get elected. It's something his opponents are pushing hard, and Romney can't allow himself to get caught in a trap like this MLK deal if he doesn't want a few press clips that decide to delve into instances in which Romney has overstated something. Just ask Al Gore how this storyline can get out of control in a hurry.

*** Throwing some chin music: At the debates, Richardson has certainly channeled his inner Rodney King (“Can’t we all just get along?”). Which is why this statement he released last night -- entitled “Richardson calls Hillary on Iraq flip-flop” -- raised our eyebrows.  "Senator Clinton's statement that we could 'certainly get all the troops out within a year' is a stunning flip-flop from what she has been saying all along,” he said. “She consistently has called for leaving troops in Iraq to fight al-Qaeda, train Iraqis, and protect U.S. assets. Has that suddenly been abandoned?” More: “It is clear that she is responding directly to my latest ad and my statements that she repeatedly has called for leaving thousands of troops in Iraq indefinitely. Rather than defending her position, apparently she simply has changed it." Whoa. Is this a last-ditch effort by Richardson to become THE anti-war candidate? Is Richardson signaling to supporters that Clinton should NOT be their second choice?

*** On the trail: Biden, Dodd, Edwards, Huckabee, Obama, Richardson, Thompson, and Bill Clinton all are in Iowa. Hillary Clinton, Paul, and Romney all campaign in New Hampshire. And elsewhere, McCain stumps in Louisiana and raises money in Phoenix, while Hunter campaigns in Michigan.

*** And a final note: The morning edition of First Read will not publish on Monday, December 24 and Tuesday, December 25, although we’ll be updating the site occasionally. The morning edition will be back Wednesday -- for the real sprint to Iowa and beyond. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.

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I was a drug using, booze guzzling, party like a rock star,Pink, that got the whiskey and cocaine thing going.Yeah, who is that woman to judge? You talk about self righteous, dillusional ,and disgusting hypocracy.How many people could rock musicians help if they gave what they spend on drugs to those in need.
Oh jeez. Could the Hillary supporters whine any more about the coverage? At least your candidate is getting covered (with the media swallowing that stupid inevitability meme for months as well as her ludicrous new 35 years of experience one) unlike the Dodd, Biden and Richardson folks with much more impressive resumes than any of the top-tier candidates.

BTW, if Hillary is so experienced shouldn't she be a bit better at managing the media by now? Shouldn't she be a much more polished politician and a have a team much more skilled at working them for good coverage? I mean Obama is just a "rookie" so why is he so much better at this?
“I get confused about what we are trying to do--do we we want to provide better health care or do we want to provide health insurance coverage for all Americans.”
Dot, Illinois (Sent Thursday, December 20, 2007 5:19 PM)
**Thank you for bringing up this point.  You are absolutely 110% correct.  But we only talk about health insurance for some reason and a whole issue gets lost in the argument.  I appreciate you reading my healthcare/insurance rant.  Something needs to change, our current healthcare and health insurance system is not sustainable.

--Here is a link to the Mayo Clinic recommendation.  Well known institution and these recommendations are not biased and not partisan, far more independent than myself.  I feel like a broken record posting this, but it is interesting.  I hope some politician listens to some of these, more than we have the Hamilton-Baker report.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthpolicycenter/recommendations-long.html
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthpolicycenter/recommendations.html

To reform health care, providers, academics, medical industry leaders, business people, insurers, political leaders and patient advocates recommend four areas of focus: universal insurance coverage, coordinated care, value and payment reform.
*So, it goes beyond simply insurance.

I'll wish you all a Merry Christmas later today.
"When someone says or writes merry Xmas, does that suggest Xing or taking Christ out of Christmas, or just a way to shorting text? I am not suggesting anything, I just always wondered.
Sharon Stone (Sent Friday, December 21, 2007 10:08 AM)"  Early Christians often used the Greek letter "Chi" or "X" to signify Christ, so their is a long tradition suggesting that the term Xmas is not a modern disrespect but is both traditional and respectful.
Jack, Stratford, CT

I must say that I do find Chris Todd and Mark Murray to be pretty balanced on average. I don't always agre with them, but I appreciate their talent and insight.  And Mark, well he's a cutie.

That being said, I must say that I agree with EVERYTHING else in your commentary. In the beginning part of the summer MSNBC really built up HRC and now for the past few months it's just been tearing her down night after night while Obama get's his free pass.  Most intelligent people have noticed this.  

I used to really admire Chris Matthews, but in recent months it's gotten to be his mantra to just trash Hillary EVERY SINGLE SEGMENT, while he continues to praise Obama with no real insight.

That's why you can never rely on any one source for your news. Sad, but true!

Then again, I am going to go thru withdrawal with TWO WHOLE DAYS WITHOUT FIRST READ!!! Guess that'll force me to spend time with the family.

Happy Holidays to all First Readers and especially Chuck, Mark and Domenico - thanks for everything!
When you hold yourself to a different standard than you do others. it's called a DOUBLE-STANDARD! Thanks for playing.

As to taking umbrage and letting fly with the invective, because you felt that I was IMPLYING that senator Obama was being hypocritical, because you would NEVER imply anything negative about senator Clinton;

"Carrie from Iowa, You should just shut the Hell up. She stood beside him & defended his lie to the WORLD. Don't give me that poor poor Hillary crap. This country is ABSOLUTELY SICK & TIRED OF THEIR KINDA POLITICS.Thinking voter's are fool's & can't think for themselves or remember the past.You have gall to tell other's to shut the Hell up, considering you explain yourself to be for Biden, when you do nothing but slam Barack & Sing ' HAIL TO THE QUEEN ", nonstop, 24-7 on here.Maybe you are so insecure that you need someone to tell you How, What, When, Where, Newsflash, 44% of the country Despises Hillary, put an Independent into the mix & it's another asswhooping for us Democrat's. So my word's to you are" SHUT THE HELL UP , CARRIE FROM IOWA"

" DELUSIONAL THINKING BY COMMON SENSE AMERICAN'S IS OVER"


Maybe you just enjoy be Lied to carrie from Iowa.
Rick,ky (Sent Thursday, December 20, 2007 7:53 PM)



What was your point again? Something about a double-standard?


Van
(Hoisted on your own petard)
McCain is a failed soilder...he can't lead us to victory in Iraq...heck, he couldn't lead himself out of Vietnam without getting shot down.  He is therefore totally unqualified to be commander in chief!
The Sierra Panic-meter is at 10 1/2!!! Why is one of the most scrollable and irrelevant slandering ranters here now INCLUDING me (and insulting others) in every scrollable over-long rant?

Sierra-

As you know,  I seldom acknowledge your existence, choosing to scroll past your repetitious screeds. That you decided to answer a question directed to someone else,  (understandable as no one EVER asks you anything) gives me the opportunity to cut you a new one and highlight the meaningless silliness that you post, and that most ignore daily. Here was the question;

What has senator Clinton done in her senate campaigns and while in the senate SPECIFICALLY that you believe justifies your anger and criticisms?

Lets see what perhaps the biggest Hillary-hater on the board has in their quiver. He gets the chance to air all of the terrible things that he feel will influence others to not vote for Clinton and because it isn't his post, people may actually read it! What will Sierra do with his chance? What damning evidence does he have of Clinton's perfidy?


Did you really open a can of worms on that one Van....

Let's start with:

chinese dishwashers- LOL Didn't someone have BABIES contributing to their campaign? If it isn't Clinton it isn't bad? Just shows your crazy bias and one-sidedness yet again

planted questions- Obama had one this week. Will we be seeing you harp on that? More one-sidedness.

planted people-Where are they PLANTED? LOL

fake laughs-Do you have any idea how foolish this makes you seem?

fake answers-As opposed to REAL answers? What does this even mean? Do you realize how foolish these lame criticisms paint you to be?

furniture from the white house-What about the TOWELS!!!!

travelgate-EXONERATED, and only a low-life creep would continue to post this crap without ADMITTING that. But then you have nothing of substance in your endless litany of lies and inanities, so lacking anything that is true you continue to perpetuate lies.

whitewater-EXONERATED, and only a low-life would continue to post the claim without noting that it had been DISCREDITED.

Vince Foster-Committed suicide, and only a hate-filled, low-life would have the lack of human decency to continue to exhume his dead corpse to try and smear the name of someone he loved and respected. I only wish I could come to your door with the members of mister Foster's family so they could look you in the eye and tell you what they think of you and your despicable use of his tragic death.

Monica-That was Bill Clinton's indiscretion and (this might surprise you) most DEMOCRATS felt it was a personal matter between two married people. That the Clinton's survived a crisis and kept their marriage together, like MILLIONS of other couples, is only an indictment of how low you continually sink to smear the only 2 term democratic president since FDR.

Bill-One of the best, if not the best president of my lifetime, and THE MOST POPULAR democrat in the party. Are you even a democrat? This crap would make anyone wonder.

Socks-This is logically consistent with the rest of your reasons.

Buddy-You could really probably use a dog, or some kind of friend, yourself. Maybe the Clintons have one for you.

Anti Semitic remarks-I'm a Jew, are you? Did you know that there are several Jews in New York? Do you know where senator Clinton is the senator FROM? Do you know  where President Clinton's office is? Do you know how ridiculous the, "reasons", you have so foolishly cited to justify the endless stream of hyperactive invective that most simply scroll past? You're lucky that most do, as even a cursory reading of your stuff is enough to see that there is nothing of substance there.

her F word bombs-LOL I can't believe she CURSES! That's should disqualify EVERYONE from the race.

Norman Hsu-Contributed to many campaigns, including Senator Obama, everybody gave back the money and he was indicted. Only you fail to get that seemingly obvious truth.


I could go on and on...But you LED with your BEST and your best is so sadly lacking in any real merit that it only makes you look foolish.


The endless stream of postings, many of great length, that repeat these foolish, spurious, claims won't cease despite being exposed to the light of ridicule, I know;
But the utter lack of truth or import in your daily postings highlighted here thanks to you, may allow more to scroll past as you howl your sad, discredited, sorta' crazy propaganda into the wind.

If you had any class or decency, you'd stop posting some of the things I've put to rest here. Let's see if you do.


Van
(this is why)

Darn it...Haaaaaaaaaa Oh dang!ROFL.LOL
IT was... Not I....in my last post.Seesh! this cracks me up at times.Dang!..
Mark my words and remember where you heard it first.  After the holidays, HRC is going to become completely unhinged and start refferring to JE and BO as Taxachussettes liberals.
McCain is a failed soilder...he can't lead us to victory in Iraq...heck, he couldn't lead himself out of Vietnam without getting shot down.  He is therefore totally unqualified to be commander in chief!

McCain Hater (Sent Friday, December 21, 2007 11:34 AM)


The word, "despicable", comes to mind.

Whether you agree with his politics or not, and I don't, John McCain is an American Hero.


Van
I'm always amazed by the extent to which Republican candidates will avoid criticizing the Pres. directly (and when M. Huckleberry does, he's crucified by his own, so to speak).  The current lackluster performance of any of the Repub. candidates is largely due to the Pres' unpopularity and mediocrity for the past 8 yrs.  However, when asked about the Pres. you can hear a cricket burp.  I guess the sheep mentality reigns supreme among the elephants.  So much for independent, critical thinking and individualism....
Ron,Tx and Dot, Ill. thanks for the info. I really was being serious. I heard a preacher once say that the X was a way of removing Christ out of the holidays. I know its politically correct now to say happy holidays instead of merry Christmas, so I didn't know.
VAN, WHY DID YOU CALL BARACK A HYPOCRIT ?
I find it intriguing that Obama's supporters offer substance and ideas, whereas Clintons supporters offer hate and slander.

Obama does have the backing at a ratio of 2-1 of highly educated democrats...
Wow, such venom from Rick in Ky.  

Did I tell people to shut the hell up?  Perhaps I did, but I'm sure it was not a broad statement.

Cheer up, Rick.  It's almost over and then hopefully your blook pressure can return to normal.  Seems like just in the nick of time, too.
Seeing McCain kiss up to Lieberman (talk about a loser!) to get a questionable endorsement, is a sad sight to see.  McCain is now guaranteed a spot in the pantheon of mediocre, have-been presidential candidates.  One would hope he had a shred of self-respect left....

Just saw the new McCain ad with the cross in the sand and his now repetitive references to 'Nam (ad nauseum).  Trying to play catch-up to Huckleberry won't win you votes, let alone a trophy in the innovative political ad of the year category.  sigh.
Van, for most of us, this is'nt our 1st rodeo.We are able to read between the lines very well & you called Barack a Hypocrit. You & other's may understand your quote as a Double Standard, but in the real world, You called him a Hypocrit.  Did i tell a Lie in my post that she did stand beside Bill & Lie to the World. Nope, nothing Hypocritical there, Just Plain Fact. Have a nice day, van.

" DELUSIONAL THINKING BY COMMON SENSE AMERICAN'S IS OVER"
Huge News just in!
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1404 Zogby Poll: Obama Leads Top Republicans
Telephone survey shows fellow Democrats Hillary Clinton and John Edwards would defeat some GOPers, lose to others
*note: this is a -telephone- survey, so lets see how Mark Penn tries to dismiss this as a normal zogby internet poll
Dear Mr. Rudy,
On a more, well somewhat more (it is a duality in my heart I must confess), serious note.I have to write to you again. I feel a sense of urgency.It is because I truly believe a real New Yorker like yourself knows how to roll in cash for our country.I have great respect for those who are financially (in a good way) shrewd. We need that kind of person in this grossly dillusional ,false humility filled, liberal wonderland these days.
The utopians have had their say in how people are trained, and the mindsets in America suffer grossly at times.Maybe you did or did not smoke pot with them back in the day, I don't know, but far be it for me if you are not into that sort of thing these days, everyone has a past, far be it for me, in ways, not in others.

I however must be practical as an American citizen.I understand that it would be good for Americans to have a legal contract(without loop holes) to insure you share with us.It is as practicle as you yourself would be,of course, and I'm sure a gentleman, like yourself, has no plans to hold that very reasonable request against me.
   
May God Bless everyone! and I hope you feel better soon AND Merry Christmas(Now that I am serious about!):))  
Bee: you may want to put a link in that works.
McCain is a failed soilder...he can't lead us to victory in Iraq...heck, he couldn't lead himself out of Vietnam without getting shot down.  He is therefore totally unqualified to be commander in chief!

McCain Hater (Sent Friday, December 21, 2007 11:34 AM)


The word, "despicable", comes to mind.

Whether you agree with his politics or not, and I don't, John McCain is an American Hero.


Van

---Van,

I've seen a few posts about the different candidates like this all signed ______hater.  I think it's just a sarcastic play on all the  'She couldn't pass health care etc, etc, Hillary hater's posts.

If it's not, then I agree, despicable, but I think it's just sarcasm at itt's finest.
Where is the poll that states "44% of the country despises Hillary"....being a bit dramatic, aren't we?
Van:

You can come back at me with all your media matters style drool about your worthless polls and how your girl is just a great role model and other moronish attempts to humanize Hillary.......

The fact of the matter is....
Hillary has shown how she can be beaten......
Maybe she should keep all the papers in that warehouse in Little Rock under lock and key....
Might spare us another year of Hillary failings and Hillary controversies....

Your problem Van is that you only see the world from New York City.  Her record speaks for itself.  Now with this little article I found about how she was going after the Social Security crowd in the 90's (thankfully Bill was there to stop that, makes me wonder if he was the real genius, not Hillary), one has to wonder when Hillary will decide to tell the American people her side and what her plans are and not fund 50 bipartisan committees to figure out what a lot of her fellow candidates have already spoken on the record about.

I remember her first video....
"Let's talk, Let's chat, let's have a conversation"

I'm still waiting for her to start talking....
and without putting me to sleep in three minutes either....

Perhaps, Xtra strength Midol is in order for you carrie in Iowa. Yes, your statemnet was very Broad as i recall your frustration about people defending Barack. My blood pressure is just fine. 2 days ago 120 over 72. I can go back & copy the post correctly for You. but i'll let you find it from yesterday.

" DELUSIONAL THINKING BY COMMON SENSE AMERICAN'S IS OVER "
vanreuter, NY, NY

You are on FIRE today! I always look forward to reading your posts - always full of information without the need to tear down anyone else.

Sierra, SF needs to step away from the keyboard for a few moments and take the meds - the neighbors are getting scared!

Keep up the GREAT work and Happy Holidays!
It's amusing to see Clinton supporters kvetch about MSNBC's coverage. Perhaps they have had enough of simply propagating attacks and are actually using their critical thinking skills?  

In any event, don't worry, you've still got the Clinton News Network on your side. You can't seriously tell me they're unbiased with all of the current and former advisors they keep on payroll, not to mention the unbelivable CNN debate.  

MSNBC - you started telling the truth about Bush much earlier than others via Olbermann and others. You've got a viewer for life. Please don't be intimidated and keep telling the truth!
Dear Friends:

The orchestra director like is at work. Hilary a genius who cannot solve the foreclosure disaster, uses many minds 500+, and still cannot solve the
health insurance after years at work.  Men at work play your tune.

Laughter is man and womans playing.  Oh Please!!!Please me baby!!!!  See Dick   See Jane  Run
Dear Friends:

The orchestra director like is at work. Hilary a genius who cannot solve the foreclosure disaster, uses many minds 500+, and still cannot solve the
health insurance after years at work.  Men at work play your tune.

Laughter is man and womans playing.  Oh Please!!!Please me baby!!!!  See Dick   See Jane  Run
TEC: King,in fact,was in Grosse Pointe on March 14,1968,where he was demanding housing desegregation in the all-white suburb. confronted by 200 protesters,he went to Grosse Pointes South High School to deliver one of the last speeches before his assassination three weeks later as a portion of his ''Poor Peoples Campaign''. As he moved with SCLC,CORE and what SNCC members then remained[SNCC then becoming radicalized under the leadership of Stokely Charmichael,which splintered from Kings movement],he performed,by definition,a ''march''. To this day,Kings appearence here remains memorialized.

Also see: ''Eyes On The Prize II'':America At The Racial Crossroads''[1990,PBS,DVD-VHS]Pt.II
Dear Friends:

The orchestra director like is at work. Hilary a genius who cannot solve the foreclosure disaster, uses many minds 500+, and still cannot solve the
health insurance after years at work.  Men at work play your tune.

Laughter is man and womans playing.  Oh Please!!!Please me baby!!!!  See Dick   See Jane  Run
I was a drug using, booze guzzling, party like a rock star,Pink, that got the whiskey and cocaine thing going.Yeah, who is that woman to judge? You talk about self righteous, dillusional ,and disgusting hypocracy.How many people could rock musicians help if they gave what they spend on drugs to those in need.
Jennifer Hunt, Spokane, Washington (Sent Friday, December 21, 2007 11:22 AM)

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On behalf of all of First Read, may I be the one to ask: "What the bloody hell are you talking about?"
It's amusing to see Clinton supporters kvetch about MSNBC's coverage. Perhaps they have had enough of simply propagating attacks and are actually using their critical thinking skills?
--- John M

It's not the bad press that has me worried so much, Hillary is a big girl and this is what she does for a living, she can handle it.  It's the lack of press for Obama.  
As a die hard Democrat, I feel I have a right to know what my potential candidate is made of, is Chris Matthews going to hold his hand and protect him from the big mean Republicans too?  Let them slug it out and let me see how he handles himself.  Even if his response is not to fight back, I'd like to know that, I'd like to see if he can pull it off.  Right now he doesn't need to do anything.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS, HILLARYCLINTON.COM  .
Open 24 Hrs., for you Chistmas shopping convienence. hillaryclinton.com
Drive thru window now open, hillaryclinton.com
Merry Christmas to all people of good will...



Van
I am a Democrat, but I think this latest McCain Christmas ad is very effective. On the Democratic side, my favorite XMAS ad is the one with the Obama family, showing their two adorable daughters.

As for the campaign itself, the Clintons are being very - well - Clintonian - in trying to have it both ways. Showing Hillary in a softer mode, while using surrogates like Bob Kerrey to stick knives in Obama, is nauseating. I've read on other sites that undecideds in Iowa are really getting turned off by the Clinton campaign's dirty tricks. Iowans just don't like this kind of politics. Callers from Iowa into CSPAN see through these surrogate attacks.

Obama is leading in Iowa, and has wiped out Hillary's double-digit lead in NH and pulled even! It's looking good for us Obama supporters!
Richard, do you reeeaallly believe that the other candidate running for Prez are not as driven as Clinton to win?  Do you not think they have egos?

You think they all are running because they are just so swell and want to make the world a happy place and if the lose gosh darnit at least they tried their bestest?

Puh-lease.  Grow up.

You probably still believe in you know who too.


All pols are the same.
The congressmen who did this must be looking to further their careers. How else do you explain their publicly criticizing a fellow democrat about something they know little about aside from whatever the Clinton's handed them. Reflects very poorly on them, but much worse on Hillary.

Add this to the volunteers forwarding the BS Muslim e-mails, Sheehan's drug accusations, the AFSME flier, Bob Kerrey's Muslim slip, Bill's agreeing to the "roll of the dice" statement and you get an idea of how Hillary will run her admin. Everyone else will do her dirty work. Sounds remarkably similar to our current disaster of a president.

Van, while you provide a plethora o f things to be discounted, I'll just pick your quote of Obama politely pointing out Hillary's high negatives. They are citing his possible electability- which by the way the latest Zogby poll contradicts- and Obama is countering with the fact high negatives mean difficult unelectibility. That's not an attack.
Diamonds or pearls, what kind of Policy question is that to be answered? The same kind as the PBS Iowa debate for GOP, in which the managing editor for DMR asked for a show of hands on Global warming.Thankfully, Thompson but that baby to rest with his answer. I also watched the CNN thing last night on AC 360, Davis gergon is a very smart man, However, he is wrong on the part of that being a race based comment. ANYONE FALL OFF THE TURNIP TRUCK LATELY?

The Republican candidates are a collection ofbums, liars and sleaze balls.  Other than McCain who i believe is a bit out of touch.  Richardson, Biden & Dodd are the class acts for the Dems.
The congressmen who did this must be looking to further their careers. How else do you explain their publicly criticizing a fellow democrat about something they know little about aside from whatever the Clinton's handed them. Reflects very poorly on them, but much worse on Hillary.

Add this to the volunteers forwarding the BS Muslim e-mails, Sheehan's drug accusations, the AFSME flier, Bob Kerrey's Muslim slip, Bill's agreeing to the "roll of the dice" statement and you get an idea of how Hillary will run her admin. Everyone else will do her dirty work. Sounds remarkably similar to our current disaster of a president.

Van, while you provide a plethora o f things to be discounted, I'll just pick your quote of Obama politely pointing out Hillary's high negatives. They are citing his possible electability- which by the way the latest Zogby poll contradicts- and Obama is countering with the fact high negatives mean difficult unelectibility. That's not an attack.


EDITORIAL ENDORSEMENT: In the Democratic primary, Hillary Clinton
12/21/2007
Sentinel staff

Why Clinton

"Face-to-face, she is as personable, passionate and persuasive as any American political figure in recent memory, qualities that should come in handy in both domestic and international forums."

The endorsement can be read here:

http://www.nhelects.com/NHPrimaryArticles.asp?LinkID=117&HTitle=ArticlesTitle


"The Keene Sentinel is an independently owned daily newspaper published in Keene, New Hampshire. It is the fifth oldest continuously published newspaper in the United States, having operated under the Sentinel name since its founding in March, 1799. It publishes seven days a week.

The daily operation includes the online service SentinelSource (http://www.keenesentinel.com) and commercial printing operations.

As of 2004, it had a paid circulation of about 14,000."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keene_Sentinel

Van
Mike in Denver..Please refer to the post before that one.I just can't stop cracking up about that one!Please excuse my mishap...Maybe that is like a painting.It could make sense in ways....LOL ROFL.OH LORD JESUS!Please don't let that be "suggestive in the eyes of some beholders!"
Where is the poll that states "44% of the country despises Hillary"....being a bit dramatic, aren't we?
Sean (Sent Friday, December 21, 2007 12:22 PM)

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44% of the public have a negative connotation of her. This translates into 44% of the people not voting for her even if Hell were to freeze. I'll leave the next and final piece of the puzzle to connect your point to mine up to you.
When Sen. Obama first said he will have Talks with Iran,and other Countries that may not be on Our List of Friends.  All the Candidates GOP & DEM said it showed Sen. Obama lack of Experience to be a Leader. Now a few Months later all the Canidates GOPs & DEMs are saying they now will have talks with these Nations. Wow these Canidates were not only mistaken but they are following Sen. Obama Leadership now. And if Sen Obama Leadership is Good enough for these Canidates to follow, then his Leadership is good enough for the whole Country to follow.  
Folks,

I am out for the year, have a merry christmass
Van, while you provide a plethora o f things to be discounted, I'll just pick your quote of Obama politely pointing out Hillary's high negatives. They are citing his possible electability- which by the way the latest Zogby poll contradicts- and Obama is countering with the fact high negatives mean difficult unelectibility. That's not an attack.

M@ - Chicago (Sent Friday, December 21, 2007 1:13 PM)

lol

Based on your brilliant defense of Obama's politely pointing out that Hillary is unelectable (in his humble and polite opinion.) I really would enjoy you turning the same clear and unbiased eye towards the, "plethora", of "things to be discounted".

Cherry-picking the poll you like and characterizing your candidate's words as polite, and his opponents' as attacks to, "discount" my  contention isn't exactly making the strongest case for your point-of-view.

When you consider the context of my original post, and your inability to see the point, or admit to the fact that it is the characterization of the media that was my purpose in posting, you exemplify the very double standard that inspired my thought.



Van
Hmmm, perhaps it’s time we begin demanding Rudy release his “papers” also!! I’d really love to see what Rudy’s “transparent and open book City Hall” looked like!!

“When a mayor of New York leaves office, little goes out the door but memories — unless he's Rudy Giuliani. Under an unprecedented agreement that didn't become public until after he left office, Giuliani secreted out of City Hall the written, photographic and electronic record of his eight years in office — more than 2,000 boxes.

Along with his own files, the trove included the official records of Giuliani's deputy mayors, his chief of staff, his travel office and Gracie Mansion — the mayor's residence that became a legal battlefront during his caustic divorce.

In a Republican presidential candidates' debate last week, Giuliani asserted: ‘My government in New York City was so transparent that they knew every single thing I did almost every time I did it. ... I can't think of a public figure that's had a more transparent life than I've had.’"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22345820/

Another example of "pot calls kettle"!!

PEACE!!


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