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The battle for Iowa

Posted: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 9:16 AM by Mark Murray
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Per the Des Moines Register's Beaumont, "Implicit in the closing argument Clinton plans to make across southern Iowa today is that her chief rivals for the 2008 nomination are inexperienced for the challenges she says await the next president." Clinton also tried "to dampen expectations" that she would win Iowa.

“‘I want people to imagine what is going to be waiting on the desk in the Oval Office ... the whole range of pressing issues that are going to bear down on the next president, plus everything we can't predict,’ Clinton said in the interview. ‘No one brings the mix of qualifications and experience, the vision and plan, that I do with a proven, tested record of being able to produce results.’”

The Los Angeles Times' Z. Barabak and Mehta curtain-raises the final 8 days of Iowa. "The closeness of the state's caucus contests increases the import of these final days -- and any verbal misstep, breakthrough TV ads or crystallizing moment on the campaign trail -- in what already have been exceptionally fluid races."

The Des Moines Register covers Clinton and Obama taking some shots at each other while campaigning on Sunday before the Christmas holiday. But it notes that "their tone was not notably softer than recent days.

The paper also wraps the back-and-forth between Obama and Edwards on the 527 group -- headed by Edwards’ former campaign manager -- running ads on the former North Carolina senator’s behalf.

And Edwards took aim at Obama, saying he might not be tough enough. “‘What Iowa caucusgoers are looking for - they're not looking for academic and they're not looking for analytical,' Edwards said on Iowa Public Television. ‘They're looking for somebody who speaks from right here, from their gut, and who believes deeply and passionately in what they're talking about.’”

The Washington Post's Mosk does a good roundup of what third party groups are planning for the final days -- including, for instance, a PAC dedicated to helping Alan Keyes. By the way, if you want to keep up with this stuff hourly, check the FEC

Here’s one thing that hasn't been written about in a while: The rest of the Dem field, including Richardson and Biden, are fading in many late polls.

The Washington Post takes a look at the courting of students in Iowa. "Among the Democratic and Republican front-runners, only former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee (R) does not have a specific program to reach out to student voters. Eric Woolson, who is running the campaign's Iowa operation, said, ‘I don't know if young voters are any different than any other voters.’”

“Huckabee's campaign and the rest are aware, however, that student enthusiasm usually doesn't translate into student votes. Former Vermont governor Howard Dean was a big campus favorite in 2004, but that year, 18-to-24-year-olds amounted to less than 4 percent of Democratic caucusgoers."

More: "Iowa's public universities have said they will open their dorms to out-of-state students who want to return to caucus. About 21,000 students from other states attend the schools. Many more Iowa students will be scattered around the state in their home towns, which could blunt their electoral impact. However, veteran caucus watchers suggest that, in certain areas, students could be a potent force."

Speaking of… The AP's Fouhy looks at the effort both Clinton and Obama are waging to lure first-time caucus-goers on January 3. The two candidates appear to be more reliant on newcomers than Edwards.
 
The AP's Quaid finds a lot of conservatives still undecided on the GOP side. Just askin': Aren't undecided caucus-goers unlikely caucus-goers?

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"No one brings the mix of qualifications and experience, the vision and plan, that I do with a proven, tested record of being able to produce results.’”

What are these "results" that Senator Clinton is touting? How has she been "proven and tested"? Statements like this confirm the feeling that President Clinton is actually running for his third term.
Hillary in Iowa: "I'd like to dampen expectations that it WILL be me, even though it WILL be me."

Clinton has less experience in elected office than any other candidate save Edwards.  How about judgement?  Wrong on Iraq,(WMD's Hillary?), Iran (Nuclear Weapons Program)and the big kahuna, health care.

Hillary wants to be "your" doctor.  She may garnish your wages, put a lient on your house, deny you care or whatever because she wants it "mandated".  Just look at Massachusetts where Romeny's "mandated" plan crashes and burns with hundreds of thousands just saying no.  How dumb is too dumb?  Will find out as the primary season starts and see how many people buy into this nonsense.

If Clinton had half the character of Mc Cain, she wouldn't have to constatnly reinvent herself, pull stunts like the "Hill-A-Copter" and send out press releases full of fibs every time another candidates says "Good Morning".  Pathetic!

The Democrats have fine candidates in Biden, Dodd, Edwards, Obama and Richardson.  They tell the truth, don't pander and won't give us another never ending soap opera. God help us all!
Iowans know that they have a lot of responsibility on their shoulders.  They pick Presidents.  Anyone who think they will pick Obama has to be smoking something.

Iowans are not going to pick a light weight, first term junior Senator, with a sketchy past.  Obama doesn't have a chance.  

The primary Obama is going to win is the media primary and that one doesn't count.
someone should ask john edwards whether he was analytical or simply checked his gut when he voted for the war in iraq.

maybe next time he should read and analyze the NIE before sending our young men and women into battle.

OBAMA 08!
Governor Huckabee is staying strong and is likely to take the early lead in the primaries.  If you support Governor Huckabee's message, I urge you to take my challenge by visiting: www.abuckforhuck.com
Maybe Hillary meant to say "re sluts" as regarding sluts involved with Bill?
“I want people to imagine what is going to be waiting on the desk in the Oval Office ... the whole range of pressing issues that are going to bear down on the next president, plus everything we can't predict,"

Lately I've been wondering, why would anyone WANT to be President?
'...“‘I want people to imagine what is going to be waiting on the desk in the Oval Office ... the whole range of pressing issues that are going to bear down on the next president, plus everything we can't predict,’ Clinton said...'

More fund raising scandals ?
Bill's latest 'fling' ?
More, even vaster 'right wing conspiracies' ?
Thser's a lot to bear down on......

Maybe she'll get a security clearance and get to read the intelligence briefings.....
Will she read them or just rely on George's + Dick's advice ?
The only reason why Edwards is in the running in Iowa is because he’s been campaigning there for 4 YEARS, and he’s still not even in 1st place in Iowa! Have you not looked at the Real Clear Politics poll averages? In NH, NV, SC, FL, etc. Edwards consistently polls at between 12% to 15% (on one poll, he’s at 18%). This is a TERRIBLE showing for Edwards (a well known candidate). This guy was the VP nominee on the democratic ticket 4 years ago! He was on a national ticket and (outside of Iowa) he usually can’t score above 15% against a virtual unknown and one of the most detested women in America? Give me a break! Obviously Edwards’ message is not resonating with voters. Clearly the guy doesn’t pass the voter smell test. Not to mention the fact that he’s NOT the most electable. He says he’s won a southern state? – that was in the 2004 PRIMARIES. The Kerry/Edwards general election ticket did not win even ONE southern state.
I think the battle for Iowa and NH are very much open races...the Democratic side depends on what's going on the ground in Iowa...For Democrats Iowa is the ticket to the nomination
Joe Wilson says Hillary Clinton is experienced and has what it takes.  That says a bunch.   Wilson points out who is ready to lead, and who isn't (Obama for starters) and he doesn't in very sound fashion.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-wilson/the-real-hillary-i-know-_b_77878.html
‘No one brings the mix of qualifications and experience, the vision and plan, that I do with a proven, tested record of being able to produce results.’”

If she is also including her record as a United States Senator, she really has flipped her noodle..

I really belive that Iowa is a great test of one courage and character.  For me, Obama, Edwards and Biden have met the challenge to the standards that the American people can be proud.  I am very leary of Clinton and her claim to have gained sooooo much experience while her husband was president.  That's just one of those Big Fish Tales that just can't be believed.

Either Obama, Edwards or Biden would represent well for my taste.  I am leaning towards Obama.  He has a genuine factor about him that makes me believe his energy and fight for those causes that are closest to me...health care, erradicating poverty, etc.
Hillary has all the experience, intelligence and compassion she needs to be president.  I think she'll make an excellent president, just like her husband was.    The negative comments and derision of her are totally baseless.  
For all of those who may be considering voting for Hillary Clinton or John Edwards, I want to make a few point's as to why you should'nt. 1st of all, for any of you who may not think this Iraq debacle was'nt for OIL, you're living in La-La-Land.Since this debacle started, a barrel of oil has risen to 3 times the price of what is was before Iraq was Invaded.We were told by this administration, that Oil would Pay for this " The Worst Foreign Policy Decision" ever.For all the Hatred towards America in the past, the World was in our hands because of 911. With the right kinda Leadership, America had the chance to bring the World together as 1 in the fight against those, that had a hand in 911.Go Shopping is what America was told to do! No 1 questioned our invasion of Afganistan to rid the Taliban who had harbored Bin Laden.The oppurtunity to capture Osama was passed onto those who were familiar with the land. The World's Best Miliatry was taken from this Hunt. WHY? LEADERSHIP is why!We as a Nation, MUST NOT REWARD those voices who helped lead us into Iraq, with the Highest office in the World, POTUS. They are Not deserving of our vote for POTUS, period.They can Apoligize (or Not), till Hell freezes over. It Should Not be mistaken for LEADERSHIP, more like Go along to Get along, without consideration for the long term effects, That decision was given.
      So here we are, 6 years later, considering who we want to lead America forward.In my opinion, Clinton & Edwards should be Excluded from consideration for POTUS, because of the Blindness they showed back in 2002 when America needed them the Most.Hillary Clinton & John Edwards, Failed America with their Non-Leadership.



" DELUSIONAL THINKING BY COMMON SENSE AMERICAN'S IS OVER"

Barack Obama for President of the United states of America!
Todd, Phoenix, Arizona / 'The negative comments and derision of her are totally baseless.'

 please, hillary is bush-lite, only she is a tad more dis-honest than bush, look at her history, makes you wonder how she's avoided jail time thus far
Hillary is qualified to be president.  What everyone objects to is her claim that she is more qualified than everyone else.  Anyone who really looks into this claim, knows it is not true.  So then it just becomes another Clinton lie.  It would be different if she was running on her own merits.  As for Joe Wilson's comments, I consider them to be the same as other claims made by the Clinton establishment machine and not impartial.
Love the claims to experience on Hillary's part... wonder how she's going to address the NYT story that concluded she has virtually no significant foreign policy achievements from her time as first lady.  Nor does she have any significant legislative record relating to foreign policy as senator.  Keep trying to make the experience argument, Hillary.  Those of us who are paying attention aren't buying a lick of it.
"There are two things that will never change:
#1: you can NOT legislate morality
#2: people are like sheep and will told who they WANT to vote for by the money and media."
My political science professor in 1968.  UNBELIEVABLE!!!
What "mix of qualifications and experience" and "proven, tested record" is Hillary talking about??? I have been asking for weeks and not one Hillary supporter has answered or can answer that question. All I read from Hillary supporters are toothless platitudes. Being married to a former president, being a lawyer, being a one term transplanted Senator, and being "an advocate for children and families, a citizen-activist" does not qualify you to be President of the United States. This is also the most detested woman in the world. She cannot win.

Only Joe Biden has the "mix of qualifications and experience" and "proven, tested record" to step in on day 1 and right this ship.
Dickie Flatts-

I find of all Hillary's supoorters that post here, your comments are the most uniformed and oppinion based.  If Hillary is so wonderful and experienced, and Obama is not, then why do the Iowans polls no longer show her leading.  The conventional wisdom is that either Obama or Edwards (whose has less experience)will win Iowa. Why not Clinton? This is because Iowans are taking this seriously and seeing through the Clinton smoke and mirrors.

Do you really want to talk about "sketchy pasts?"  Because Hillary's past is more questionable than anyone else's in this race (except possibly Guiliani).
Mormons are a Cult

Mormons believe Blacks are Cursed people they are the decedent of Cain.

Bringham Young stated the following: "For instance, the descendants of Cain cannot cast off their skin of blackness, at once, and immediately, although every soul of them should repent, obey the Gospel, and do right from this day forward. . . . Cain and his posterity must wear the mark, which God put upon them; and his white friends may wash the race of Cain with fuller’s soap every day, they cannot wash away God’s mark; The Lamanites, through transgression, became a loathsome, ignorant and filthy people, and were cursed with a skin of darkness … yet, they have the promise, if they will believe, and work righteousness, that not many generations shall pass away before they shall become a white and delightsome people; but it will take some time to accomplish this at best. Source: The Latter-Day Saints Millennial Star, vol. 14, p. 418

1848, Brigham Young, as President of the Mormon Church, first preached the "Curse of Cain Doctrine". He said that Negroes, whom he considered to be children of Cain (son of Adam and killer of Abel) had the "mark of Cain" (black skin and kinky hair and flat nose) and they could not hold the priesthood until Abel was resurrected, had children, and all of Abel's children were given the opportunity to receive the priesthood first, then the Curse of Cain would be taken off his posterity (Negroes) and they would have the priesthood like everybody else. Brigham Young started the "priesthood-ban" in 1848, banning all Negroes, and even white men with Negro ancestry, from the two orders of priesthood, and banning all Negroes from the House of the Lord (the Mormon Temple). Mormon Church leaders
Now you are probaly asking yourself well back in those day's everyone was a racist, the blacks where not able to hold the priesthood until 1968 and many LDS faithful still believe in the curse of cain.
Thanks for the in-depth analysis. I still think the country is really ready for some new faces/blood/leadership. This should be a fun race to the nominations. After that, the Dems are going to mop the floor with the Republican candidates in Nov. They can't run away from Bush and Iraq fast enough.
Edwards on Obama:

"What Iowa caucusgoers are looking for - they're not looking for academic and they're not looking for analytical. They're looking for somebody who speaks from right here, from their gut, and who believes deeply and passionately in what they're talking about.”

It seems that Edwards is saying that America doesn't need an intelligent President who thinks things through, but rather someone who is driven by emotion and makes decisions based on what they feel rather than what they know.  This is the same type of (ill)logic that lead us into Iraq.  

He voted in support of the war, how can we trust his "gut" instinct.  If I were Edwards, I would try to focus more on actual evidence that shows his best qualities.  American people want a candidate who makes clear their vision, and unsubstantiated emotionally driven attacks are not the way to do that.
Regarding "If you support Governor Huckabee's message, I urge you to take my challenge by visiting: www.abuckforhuck.com"   Sorry pal, anyone who "does not believe" in evolution is borderline insane and not qualified to hold public office.
I'm a Canadian, the closest thing on the face of this planet you will find to an American. I'm an admitted admirer of my my big brother to the south, who will the living crap outta you if you step on Canada, but this made even me vomit in my mouth a little bit. Imagine the rest of the world. Huckabee on foreign policy: "At the risk of oversimplifying the whole discussion, let me just express – Sometimes the one thing I like to do is to try to make it where I can understand and hopefully others can too – When we were all kids growing up in a neighborhood, chances are there was one kid in our neighborhood who was really good at everything: he made straight As, ran faster, jumped higher and threw the ball better. He was just good at everything. When that kid acted like it and spiked the ball at our feet, waved his A-plus in our faces and danced around us when he scored the touchdown, do you remember how you felt toward that kid?[…]Take the same neighborhood and the same gifted kid, but this time instead of the kid rubbing your face in it, the kid is very thoughtful. When he sees that you really did your best and didn’t make the A on the spelling test, he says, “Hey, why don’t I come over and I’ll help you learn your spelling words.” And when he sees you struggling to hit the baseball, he says, “If you choke up on the bat you get better leverage and you can hit better, here, hit like this, try it.” Now, when the kid uses his strengths and his abilities and he encourages you and helps you to be your best, now what’s your attitude toward that kid? You want to be like him; you emulate him. You want to hang out with him. He’s your hero."
Hillary is qualified to be president.  What everyone objects to is her claim that she is more qualified than everyone else.  Anyone who really looks into this claim, knows it is not true.  So then it just becomes another Clinton lie.  It would be different if she was running on her own merits.  As for Joe Wilson's comments, I consider them to be the same as other claims made by the Clinton establishment machine and not impartial.
Kelly (from Pittsburgh) (Sent Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:00 PM)


And if Joe Wilson had supported Obama, then he would have been a great persoon and impartial in your eyes.

That is called blindness which we dont want in America. I dont want my future to be blinded by cult following which only thinks one track minded.
Iowans know that they have a lot of responsibility on their shoulders.  They pick Presidents.  Anyone who think they will pick Obama has to be smoking something.

Iowans are not going to pick a light weight, first term junior Senator, with a sketchy past.  Obama doesn't have a chance.  

The primary Obama is going to win is the media primary and that one doesn't count.
Dickie Flatts, Charlotte, NC (Sent Wednesday, December 26, 2007 10:00 AM)

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As opposed to a junior Senator from New York who won a second term simply because the Republicans ran a corpse against her?

I'm still waiting to see what she deems "experience" outside of shaking hands with foreign leaders and perhaps joining her husband at state dinners. She sure hasn't done jack in the Senate.

Anyone? Bueller?
And if Joe Wilson had supported Obama, then he would have been a great persoon and impartial in your eyes.

That is called blindness which we dont want in America. I dont want my future to be blinded by cult following which only thinks one track minded.

Simon, IA (Sent Wednesday, December 26, 2007 1:43 PM)

Since when did Joe Wilson become the endorsement of the year?
Hillary has all the experience, intelligence and compassion she needs to be president.  I think she'll make an excellent president, just like her husband was.    The negative comments and derision of her are totally baseless.  
Todd, Phoenix, Arizona (Sent Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:24 AM)

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You owe me a Starbucks since your post just made me spit it all over my monitor laughing so hard.

I'll give you intelligence. You do have to have some level of intelligence to be in politics or even to survive law school. Experience? Again I ask you to show me one shred of evidence that she gained any sort of experience being First Lady of either Arkansas or the United States. Hosting tea for other nations' first ladies, attending state dinners, shaking hands with world leaders, and getting bits and pieces of information she didn't even have clearance to have don't qualify as experience. She royally f---ed up healthcare, the one piece of Bill's vision for America she was given control over. She couldn't even work within the Democratic party on it, much less get a single Republican to do anything but sneer and gear up for their takeover of Congress in 1994. The only thing she has "experience" in is giving the Republicans something to come together on and fight against. If you want one of the Republican candidates occupying the WH for at least another 4 years, vote for someone that doesn't have them foaming at the mouth.
New ARG poll of IA caucus goers shows Hillary leading Obama 39% to 24%.  New Gallup poll identifies her as “The Most Admired Woman in the World”.  

And every national poll released in the last three weeks shows her with a commanding lead over Obama.

Yet, MSNBC continues to only print/air stories that would lead the uninformed to assume her campaign is in trouble – guess they are competing with FOX to win the propaganda war!
I'm a Canadian, the closest thing on the face of this planet you will find to an American. I'm an admitted admirer of my my big brother to the south, who will the living crap outta you if you step on the little guy, but this made even me vomit in my mouth a little bit. Imagine the rest of the world. Huckabee on foreign policy: "At the risk of oversimplifying the whole discussion, let me just express – Sometimes the one thing I like to do is to try to make it where I can understand and hopefully others can too – When we were all kids growing up in a neighborhood, chances are there was one kid in our neighborhood who was really good at everything: he made straight As, ran faster, jumped higher and threw the ball better. He was just good at everything. When that kid acted like it and spiked the ball at our feet, waved his A-plus in our faces and danced around us when he scored the touchdown, do you remember how you felt toward that kid?[…]Take the same neighborhood and the same gifted kid, but this time instead of the kid rubbing your face in it, the kid is very thoughtful. When he sees that you really did your best and didn’t make the A on the spelling test, he says, “Hey, why don’t I come over and I’ll help you learn your spelling words.” And when he sees you struggling to hit the baseball, he says, “If you choke up on the bat you get better leverage and you can hit better, here, hit like this, try it.” Now, when the kid uses his strengths and his abilities and he encourages you and helps you to be your best, now what’s your attitude toward that kid? You want to be like him; you emulate him. You want to hang out with him. He’s your hero."
John Edwards voted for No Child Left Behind. Now he wants to fix it.
He voted for the bush tax cuts for the wealthy -3 times
He voted against the estate tax
He voted for the Bankruptcy Ripoff bill
He voted for bankruptcy reform which has hurt many lower income families in this country.
Edwards voted for the Packer Ban and the Right to Work bill.
He voted against restricting consolidation of Big Meat Packing..
He voted against public financing -2 times
He vowed not to take public financing and now he has conveniently changed his tune and the party will carry this burden. There is no legitimate plan after Iowa.
He voted against the Wellstone VA funding amendment  
He voted for free trade in China.
He acted like he was critical of offshore tax shelters for the wealthy in 2004, and then in 2005 he worked as a consultant for the Fortress Investment Group whose hedge funds were incorporated in the Cayman Islands. They foreclosed on homes in LA and even Iowa.
He voted against limit govt authority in the Patriot Act
Edwards voted for storing nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain in Nevada (which IMO Nevadans are not pleased about).
John Edwards has the worst Dem environmental record according to the League of Conservation voters ratings? (59 for JRE----- 96 for Barack Obama).

Edwards CO-SPONSORED Lieberman's S.J.RES.46, the Iraq War Resolution, and also later voted for it in the full Senate to authorize the use of military force against Iraq.  He was a cheerleader for the Iraq war. KYL-LIEBERMAN comes to mind. The more I look into John Edwards' record, the more troubling it is. Because the support for the war has gone down, are these hawks trying to play both sides of the fence. He didn't read the NIE report and lied and said he had at one point.
In the 2004 VP debate  Dick Cheney brought up John Edwards' senate record, John Edwards clammed up. In this past CNN debate, when Hillary Clinton brought up his record , John Edwards sat down and clammed up, again.
Electability gave us John Kerry/John Edwards in 2004(Edwards never brought a single southern state to that ticket).  John Edwards lost his home state(even lost his own district to GWB). He is not a terrible person, he is just not a winning ticket. There is a devastating interview with George Stephanopolous where he seems to apologize for every bad vote while he was a senator.
(good judgment does matter).
 
Joe Wilson  helped direct Africa policy as Special Assistant to President Bill Clinton and Senior Director for African Affairs, National Security Council. This was his final position before his retirement from government service in 1998.
I have to hold my nose while reading many of these anti Hillary posts that are clearly written by Obama supporters.  

One word: BIASED.
New ARG poll of IA caucus goers shows Hillary leading Obama 39% to 24%.  New Gallup poll identifies her as “The Most Admired Woman in the World”.  

And every national poll released in the last three weeks shows her with a commanding lead over Obama.

Yet, MSNBC continues to only print/air stories that would lead the uninformed to assume her campaign is in trouble – guess they are competing with FOX to win the propaganda war!

csh, IL (Sent Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:08 PM)

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Of course no reputable news organization is going to run that poll. It doesn't come from a reputable news organization or one of the well-respected universities in Iowa. Had this poll originated with one of them, I'm sure it would get more air-time than just the Hillary blowhards in here continuing to believe that she has a chance in Hell of winning Iowa, much less the Democratic nomination.
While I have nothing against Obama, and will be happy to support him should he be the nominee (although I think Hillary is better prepared for the job), I find it interesting that Obama is framed to have such great "judgment."  It reminds of the Decider who operates from his "gut."  In both cases, these men asked us to "trust" their judgment or gut.  Sorry, we made that mistake once.  I just don't think Obama is ready.
As opposed to a junior Senator from New York who won a second term simply because the Republicans ran a corpse against her? Mike K

Mikey - the reason they ran a "corpse" against Hillary in 2006 was that she was so strong and unbeatable, they could not find anyone willing to run against her knowing full well they would be defeated.

And if she didn't accomplish "jack" in the Senate -

1 - why would nobody viable challange her?
2 - why was she re-elected with 67% of the vote?
csh, Il- That American Research Group that you are touting has one of the absolute worst records in polling history! The Washington Post did a piece a while back rating the accuracy and track records of pollsters, and this group was at the bottom! Obama is on an upward trend in both Iowa and NH - he is going to win both - and the nomination - and the presidency!
‘I want people to imagine what is going to be waiting on the desk in the Oval Office ... the whole range of pressing issues that are going to bear down on the next president, PLUS EVERYTHING WE CAN'T PREDICT,’ Clinton said... [caps added by this writer]

Given the way in which she has applied this vaunted experience and/or the way it has informed her JUDGEMENT, this is PRECISELY why she should NOT be nominated.  
I'd like to remind people that technically any one who is over 35 and natural born citizen of the U.S. (not naturalized) can run for president.  There maybe one other requirement about living here in the states for a period of time as well.  

If it were legal for me to run (I'm too young by a little bit), I think I would make a reasonable president.  I doubt anyone but family and a few friends would vote for me though.  

Are people looking at the breakdown of who is supporting whom when they do these polls?  It could make the difference since more older people vote than younger people.  I don't know why, but it is sad.  We should all be embarressed that a good turnout for Americans is about 50%.  
Lets go to the caucuses Iowa Democrats and thank Edwards, Clinton, Dodd and Biden for the Iraq war, the Patriot Act, and No Child Left Behind.  

Senator Barack Obama for President of the United States!
From Dick Morris - POLITICAL INSIDER:

Recently, as only Hillary Clinton can do, she claimed that she was “deeply involved in the Irish peace process.” Bill has also picked up the theme, citing her “independent” role in resolving the century-old conflict as “experience” with which to justify a White House run.
How odd that Hillary forgot to mention her pivotal role in Ireland just four years ago, when she wrote her $8 million memoir, Living History. There, she told a very different story.
Her first mention of Ireland was in a discussion of Bill’s October 2004 trip:
“The trip highlighted Bill’s milestones in foreign affairs. In addition to his pivotal role in easing the tensions in the Middle East, he was now focusing on the decades Long Troubles in Northern Ireland.” (Emphasis added)
No memories of her own involvement in the Irish “troubles.”
Ireland next appeared in Hillary’s memoirs in 1995, when the Clintons visited Belfast and Dublin. According to Hillary, while Bill met with the “various factions” of Irish politics, Hillary met with women leaders of the peace movement. Rather than discuss the difficulties of the peace process, Hillary focused on a teapot used by the women:
“They poured tea from ordinary stainless steel teapots, and when I remarked how well they kept the tea warm, Joyce insisted that I take a pot to remember them by. I used that dented teapot every day in our small family kitchen in the White House...”
Other than to describe the women’s fear when their sons left the house and their support for a ceasefire and an end to the violence, Hillary doesn’t cover much policy.
She then describes a visit to Derry to meet John Hume, the charming Nobel Peace Prize winner, where “tens of thousands thronged the streets in the freezing cold to roar approval of Bill and America, and I was filled with pride and respect for my husband.” (Emphasis added)
After Derry, the Clintons went to Belfast to light the Christmas tree in front of City Hall. Following the ceremony, they attended a reception.
No mention of Hillary’s deep involvement.
From Belfast, the Clintons flew to Dublin, where Hillary addressed a group of women from both Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic. According to her recollections, she “praised the bravery of Irish women who had stood up for peace.”
After meeting the Irish president, the U.S. ambassador, Ted Kennedy’s sister, and the Nobel Prize winning poet Seamus Heaney, Bono and the Clintons went shopping and tried to trace Bill Clinton’s mother’s genealogy.
Not exactly heavy-duty diplomacy.
Hillary returned to Ireland in 1997 where she attended a dinner in Dublin for Prime Minister Ahern and then flew to Belfast where she gave a speech in honor of the late Joyce McCartan, a respected promoter of peace and the women who had given Hillary the stainless teapot a few years earlier. Hillary brought the teapot back to Ireland with her as a tribute to the women of Ireland who sought peace. Hillary also attended a roundtable discussion with young Catholic and Protestant representatives.
In describing August 1998 in her book — the month when Ken Starr granted Monica Lewinsky immunity — Hillary lists world events, such as the end of the Soviet Union, and free elections in South Africa. She also mentions in passing that: “The peace talks and cease-fire were successful in Ireland.”
End of story. Nothing about her role in that process.
Later, she describes the setback to the peace process in Omagh, Northern Ireland, where a car bomb killed 28 people and injured hundreds of others, “damaging the peace process that Bill had worked so long and hard to nurture with Irish leaders.” (Emphasis added)
Hillary does recall that in her meetings with women in Ireland, she’d spoken with them about the troubles and how to find a way to “achieve peace and reconciliation.” But she turns that into a discussion of her own personal problems with Bill and Monica, “Now that’s what I had to try to do in the midst of my own heartbreaking troubles.”
Hillary makes one last mention of Ireland in her book, citing the important role of her husband and former Sen. George Mitchell in the peace process.
That’s it.
Bill’s memoirs are also totally devoid of any memories of any role at all by Hillary in the peace process. Other than the Christmas tree lighting and attending receptions and meeting celebrities — Bono, Seamaus Heaney, etc. — there is nothing substantive about Hillary.
In elaborating on her so-called role in the Irish peace process, candidate Hillary now says:
"And I know it’s frustrating. It took years before the Catholics and the Protestants before Sinn Fein and you know, the DUP would even talk to each other … I mean George Mitchell sat at a table sometimes for hours and nobody would say a word or if they would they would say: 'would you tell him this?' Or 'here's what I think'. And that went on for years. But eventually there were breakthroughs. You could build enough trust and connection."
So what does that have to do with her and what was her deep involvement in the Irish peace process? Hillary never explains.
But Bill Clinton said, as he desperately tried to help Hillary overcome her new found deficit in Iowa, that an unnamed man had said that Hillary had played "an independent role in the Irish peace process.”
Clinton offered no explanation of who the anonymous man was or what exactly this “independent” role was for Hillary.
But Bill does describe his own role — and Hillary was nowhere to be found:
"Good Friday was one of the happiest days of my presidency. Seventeen hours past the deadline for a decision, all the parties in Northern Ireland agreed to a plan to end 30 years of sectarian violence. I had been up most of the night, trying to help George Mitchell close the deal. Besides George, I talked to Bertie Ahern and Tony Blair, David Trimble, and Gerry Adams twice, before going to bed at 2:30 a.m. At five, George woke me with a request to call Adams again to seal the deal.”
Hillary apparently slept through the night — perhaps dreaming her Walter Mitty dream of delivering the peace agreement single handedly.
Hillary's foresight of the Oval Office brings hind-sight of the Last Clinton oval office. Hillary was stoic then, as First Lady. Can she maintain her composure as hubby-having-a breakdown-over-powerful-wife-acts-out-AGAIN-in-the-oval-office? This time while Hillary is trying to bale our nation out of hock, compete in the 'free-trade' nightmare, bring our troops home as she promised, deal with illegal immigrants claiming rights to America's jobs/welfare, pacifying Putin, conjoling China...OH! and trying to please her h. um husband? (just a curious voter, not decided on Obama or any other candidate and running out of time)
BigGoldTexan must be Bush in disguise or working for Obama. He posts the same thing everywhere. Running out of thoughts.
BigGoldTexan must be Bush in disguise or working for Obama. He posts the same thing everywhere. Running out of thoughts.
voter, mesa az (Sent Thursday, December 27, 2007 1:37 AM)

Not anymore now that have your attention.............

Thank you very much......
Bush maybe, but not!!

BIGOLDTEXAN


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