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Bhutto fallout

Posted: Saturday, December 29, 2007 10:35 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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The New York Times notes that many of the presidential candidates continued to talk about Pakistan and Bhutto’s death while on the campaign trail yesterday. “Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware and Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico, Democrats who have struggled to attract voters’ attention, edged into the spotlight on Friday after talking about Pakistan for weeks… Senators John McCain, Republican of Arizona, and Hillary Rodham Clinton, Democrat of New York, spent the day asserting their own personal expertise: their private conversations with Ms. Bhutto and Mr. Musharraf, their visits to Pakistan and their concerns about fallout affecting the nation’s nuclear arsenal to the hunt for Osama bin Laden.”

“The Bhutto assassination is one of those rare things in a presidential race -- an unscripted, unexpected moment that lays bare a candidate’s leadership qualities and geopolitical smarts. Think of Mr. bin Laden’s videotape message late in the 2004 election … or the twists of the Iranian hostage crisis in 1980.”

In a conference call with reporters yesterday, Huckabee cited an article from the Denver Post written by Bruce Finley as the source for his information on his claim that there are more illegal immigrants from Pakistan than from any other country besides south of the US border, NBC/NJ’s Adam Aigner-Treworgy reports. (Here's the full write-up.). “The number came from Homeland Security,” Huckabee said, referring to his speech yesterday in which he claimed that 660 illegal Pakistani immigrants entered the US last year. “There are two stories that are published that report that number. One is Bruce Finley of the Denver Post and there is also a Jim Pinkerton column in which that is mentioned. And that's where that figure, they were quoting Homeland Security on that number.”

Later in the call, Pinkerton said that his article referenced Finley’s -- meaning that Finley’s March 2006 article is the source of the misleading information. Although that number is included in the Denver Post’s article in association with Pakistani immigrants, it is in reference to “non-Mexican migrants caught entering the United States illegally in fiscal years 2002 to 2005,” not the number that entered last year.

In his article, Finley writes that non-Mexican migrants “came mostly from Central America and Brazil. Also among them were: Iranians (95), Iraqis (74), Pakistanis (660), Syrians (52), Yemenis (40), Egyptians (106) and Lebanese (91).” Then Finley goes on to write that the list of countries he has chosen to report on comes from a list of “35 ‘special-interest’ nations the State Department lists as hotbeds for terrorism,” and not a true ranking of the largest numbers of illegal nationals across the board.

According to estimates released by the Department of Homeland Security in August, the largest ethnic group of illegal immigrants currently living in the US who are not originally from the Western Hemisphere -- i.e. not from “immediately south of the border” -- are Indians. There are an estimated 270,000 illegal Indian nationals residing in the U.S. as of January 2007, which is an increase of 125 percent over the same estimates in 2000.

The New York Times adds that “Huckabee has made several erroneous or misleading statements at a time when he has been under increasing scrutiny from fellow presidential candidates for a lack of fluency in foreign policy issues.”

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---BHUTTO RELATED STORIES---

QUOTE: I just recieved a call from David Axelrod, Obama's chief strategist, who told me that "in no way" was his comment about Hillary Clinton "meant to be an unprovoked, sort of strategic foray."

"It was an answer to the question -- in no way was I implying that she was personally responsible for what happened."

I asked whether Axelrod meant to imply that her vote was in part responsible for creating the conditions that led to an Al Qaeda resurgance.

"All I’m implying is [about] the policy that the war in Iraq that Obama said in 2002 was going to distract us from Afghanistan and Pakistan and Al Qaeda, and that they would regenerate themselves and that they would become more powerful and influential. He exercised good judgment. She’ll have to explain her position."

Axelrod acknowledged it was fair to say that he was pointing out that votes have consequences, and that the Iraq vote Clinton took in 2002 had specific consequences that may have helped lead to an emboldened Al Qaeda.

"Everyone who was there understands the context. There were 20 reporters there and only one who wrote that. I know that [Clinton spokesman] Phil [Singer] and [communications director] Howard Wolfson are ...trying to stoke the meager, flickering embers, but there's just no fire there."

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/12/axelrod_amplifies_his_remarks.php#comments
------------------------------------------------------REPORTER: But looking ahead, does the assassination put on the front burner foreign policy credentials in the closing days?

AXELROD: Well, it puts on the table foreign policy judgment, and that's a discussion we welcome. Barack Obama had the judgment to oppose the war in Iraq, and he warned at the time it would divert us from Afghanistan and Al Qaeda, and now we see the effect of that. Al Qaeda's resurgent, they're a powerful force now in Pakistan, they may have been involved — we've been here, so I don't know whether the news has been updated, but there's a suspicion they may have been involved in this. I think his judgment was good. Sen. Clinton made a different judgment, so let's have that discussion.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/
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Barack and Wolfie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDo-XOpoaFU
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Barack Obama on CNN
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2007/12/28/yellin.obama.interview.cnn
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US SENATE---look up S. Res. 372, on which Biden and Obama are original co-sponsors regarding the U.S. Senate's response to Pakistan.

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BARACK OBAMA SPEECH August 1, 2007

Remarks of Senator Obama: The War We Need to WinIn a major national security address at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, U.S. Senator Barack Obama today said that the war in Iraq and our failed leadership in Washington have made us less safe than we were before 9/11. Obama said that the U.S. has been fighting on the wrong battlefield, and outlined his comprehensive strategy to fight terrorism worldwide...
Read more---http://www.barackobama.com/speeches/index.php

VIDEO-----http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1126056719/bctid1125863588


BHUTTO BASICALLY AGREEING WITH MOST OF BARACK OBAMA'S STATEMENT OF 8/7

QUESTIONER:
We had quite an interesting, and indeed still are, mini-debate here politically between two -- initially two of the Democratic aspirants for presidents, and it spread now across party lines. And Barack Obama kicked it off by saying, "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will." That's a direct quote from a recent speech of his. What is your reaction to that?

BHUTTO: Well, I wouldn't like the United States to violate Pakistan's sovereignty with unauthorized military operations. But the issue that I would like to stress is that Barack Obama also said, if Pakistan won't act. And that's the critical issue, that the government has to act. And the government has to act to protect Pakistan's own serenity and integrity, its own respect, and to understand that if it creates a vacuum, then others aren't going to just twiddle their thumbs while militants freely move across the border.
I think General Musharraf did the right thing recently in admitting that militants are using our soil, but he said the army has nothing to do with it. But nonetheless, the issue for me is that we cannot cede parts of Pakistani territory to anybody; not just the Taliban, to anybody. That in Pakistan we have one army, one police, one constitution, one government. We cannot allow parallel armies, parallel militias, parallel laws and parallel command structures. Today it's not just the intelligence services, who were previously called a state within a state. Today it's the militants who are becoming yet another little state within the state, and this is leading some people to say that Pakistan is on the slippery slope of being called a failed state. But this is a crisis for Pakistan, that unless we deal with the extremists and the terrorists, our entire state could founder.
 -- Benazir Bhutto, August, 2007 ....

----------Bhutto disagrees with John Edwards--------
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfL6e1e4508&eurl=http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post_group/ObamaHQ/CgS7

MR. SIEGEL: I want you to comment on something that former Senator John Edwards said last night in the Democratic candidate debate in New Hampshire. The question was about Pakistan, democracy, and fighting against al Qaeda. And Senator Edwards said this –

JOHN EDWARDS: And one danger that anyone has to recognize with the possible taking down of Musharraf as the president of Pakistan – and I met with him also in Islamabad a few years ago – one of the things we have to recognize is if he goes out of power given the power of radical Islam in Pakistan, there is absolutely no way to know what kind of government will take its place.

MS. BHUTTO: I know that this is an argument that has been made by General Musharraf to frighten the international community into prolonging his dictatorship. I see things differently. I believe that the longer General Musharraf continues with the present political structure that he has put into place, the greater will be the threat from the Taliban and the extremists. Back in 2002, the Taliban had been defeated; they were dispersed; they were disorganized. And since then, they have regrouped and reorganized and rearmed themselves to the extent that they regularly carry out attacks on NATO troops, Afghan troops, in nearby Afghanistan. Secondly, within Pakistan itself, many of our cities have been ceded to the militants one by one.

MR. SIEGEL: But how then would a democratic government deal with the rising authority of Islamists in Pakistani cities, merely to contest with them at the polls and run against them, or are you speaking of some sort of crackdown on them?

MS. BHUTTO: Contesting the polls is only the beginning of the journey to undermine extremism, militancy, and terrorism. But most fundamental is to address the social and economic needs of the people of Pakistan. In a way, dictatorship neglects the basic needs of the people. And when their basic needs to clothing, to housing, to drinking water, to economic advancement is neglected, the poverty and the desperation is a fertile ground for the extremists to exploit.

http://www.npr.org/about/press/2007/060407.bhutto.html

Bhutto opposes J Edwards(AUDIO)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfL6e1e4508&eurl=http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post_group/ObamaHQ/CgS7
Bhutto and I used the same restroom, so elect me President!!
The only one who has articulated the important problem of Pakistan for months, even before the state of emergency, has been Biden.
Bill Clinton was saying in Iowa that if a major terror-related crisis happens before the General Elections, the Republicans will exploit it to make the Dem Nominee look weaker on foreign policy and security.

Yet another reason for Biden'08.


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