Hillary is done. Stick a frok in her.

HILLARY ROCKS ! ROCK ON HILLARY ! hillaryclinton.com

Here it is again Chelse, hillaryclinton.com

"It's something you don't have to do by yelling and screaming," she said. "Save your energy, get the job done." She went on to say, "Instead of like, generating a lot of heat, rolling your hands, jumping up and down, let's just sit down and figure out how we're gonna beat them." (OF COURSE, IN NOVEMBER, CLINTON MEMORABLY UNVEILED THE SLOGAN, "TURN UP THE HEAT."


You're here for a reason," Clinton said. "You're here to make up your minds about who you think should be the next president. And Iowa gets to go first for a purpose, because you take this so seriously."  She continued, "I am so impressed as I travel across the state the way people come and watch all of us and listen and compare notes with family members and friends."

The above two paragraphs were extracted from the article.  Re paragraph 1, this writer changed the last sentence to capitals.  Re the second paragraph, this is the same lady who, initially, was not taking Iowa so seriously.

I saw Hillary's stump speech on cspan. Smallish crowd, visibly bored audience. She is sinking fast. Bye, bye Hill and Bill - you can soon go back to Chappaqua!!

That's agood one. She was not talking about Obama and Edwards? How stupid does she think people are? I think she failed to stay "above the fray" with this one. Keep laying out that positive vision Hillary.

I can only see 3 possibilities here: 1) Contrary to the testimony of Bill and herself, she wasn't influential enough in her husband's administration to convince him to campaign in this oh-so-important state back in 1992. 2) She didn't care about the influence of this oh-so-important state until now. 3) She wasn't aware of the influence of this oh-so-important state until now. In any event, something enlightening must have happened in that 34th year of experience.

People are finally realizing that if Hillary had divorced Bill, no one would even think of her as a viable candidate. People who support her want Bill back in the White House.

Well, this is one Democrat who does not want Bill Clinton to have a third term.

Support anyone but Hillary!! Preferably Obama! (or Joe Biden!)

Ironically, Hilary started "the fray" by trying unsuccessfully, to dig up dirt on Senator Obama's personal life.

Marie, i noticed the crowd size & enthusiasm also.By not taking Any Questions from the voter's, how does she think she get's their Vote's.Voter's are'nt ROBOTS, who are programmed. Most of us can see right thru her, other's are blinded by the Bring back Bill Dream.America has moved past these 2, Thankfully.

" DELUSIONAL THINKING BY COMMON SENSE AMERICAN'S IS OVER "

If there are any Iowans reading this, a request from those of us across America who have far less influence on this election than you do:

All of us want change and it starts with campaign finance reform.  DC is so bought and sold at this point that true finance reform has NO chance of passing.  The only way our system will change is if Iowans nominate (and the rest of America endorses) someone who has refused lobbyist money from the start.

All the other issues are fluff.  Each candidate has slightly different positions on issues but we all know that none of them can actually get their entire platform enacted anyway.

This is the first time in the history of our modern political system that Americans of all stripes have contributed so convincingly to a campaign that the campaign is as well-funded as its competitor who has taken millions of dollars from lobbyists.

HRC can't bring change to Washington.  She's already tainted by the millions she's accepted.  

Send Obama out of Iowa.  Americans will thank you for it.  

If you send us HRC, we'll have four more years of divisive mercenary politics in Washington.  The uniforms may change, but the game will remain the same.  And isn't it the game we're all tired of?

Chris Mathews looks objetive but Chuck Todd shows some partiality in his reports towards some candidats especially Hillary. Whatever be the case it is God who choses a leader.

Oh my gosh.  When I read these remarks I wonder what is wrong with you people.  Don't you have anything to do but post negative, nasty remarks.  This is the problem isn't it.  The nasty side of politics.  I for one am sick of it.

Hillary is America's best chance to restore its standing in the world that Bush has squandered. I was at a rally several days ago in Iowa that was packed and everyone was completely energized. So much for Marie from Ann Arbor. Keep watching C-Span honey.

After Hillary Clinton said: 'Now the fun part starts'

We saw Obama smeared with the Muslim rumors
We saw Obama smeared with the Madrassa rumors

After Hillary Clinton said: 'Now the fun part starts'

We saw Obama smeared by Bill Shaheen
We saw Mark Penn mention cocaine twice on national TV
We saw Bob Kerry smear Obama
We saw Clinton's campaign forwarding smear e-mails

We see paid Clinton bloggers on this site mentioning cocain and Muslim and Hussein...

Do we want the Democratic party to return to the
'politics of personal destruction' ?

In the 90's it wasn't just he Republicans smearing opponents, it was the Clintons using smear tactics, too
It was Bill Clinton and James Carville

Now it's Mark Penn and Howard Wolfson and Bill Sheehan and Bob Kerry
.......... and Hillary Clinton

Do we need sleazy Hillary Clinton ?

All politicians lie, but Bill and Hillary are two of
the sleaziest low lifes around

It's time for some decency,
It's time for some integrity

Obama'08

"My two leading opponents have spent a lot of time right now kind of, you know, talking about each other," she said. "I'm gonna keep talking about the people of Iowa and the people of America."

Oh, you mean like not insinuating - in that very statement - that your oponents somehow aren't worried about the people of Iowa, or even the people of America in general?

Or do you mean like not sending out mailers saying uh.......your opponent's healthcare plan basically denies 15 million people coverage (with no basis in fact). But YOU didn't do that did you? It was a surrogate.

Or do you mean like not seeing how many times you can say "cocaine" on the trail? But YOU didn't do that did you? That was your campaign co-chair and your chief campaign strategist.

Or do you mean like not saying we are "risking" something by "rolling the dice" on uh......your opponent? But YOU didn't say that did you? That was Bill.

Or do you mean like not helping to spread the long-discounted message that one of your uh......opponents is a Muslim hell-bent on destroying the country? But YOU didn't do that did you? That was a low-level staffer.

If anybody can seriously say they are staying above the fray, it is Joe Biden - who of all the Democratic candidates (other than maybe Gravel) I have not seen or heard of ONE SINGLE "attack" or anything resembling it. Any of the top 3 candidates saying they are staying above the fray is a joke.

As the myriad responses this may receive will likely not be posted before I leave, here is my response:

Have a Happy New Year, and remember: "Stay Above the Fray".

Love the fact that there are still people stupid enough to underestimate Hillary Clinton even though she won a landslide election to the Senate in 200 (in a state she never lived in) and a BLOWOUT re-election in 2006, continued her six year position atop the Most Admired Woman in the World poll and has held a commanding double digit national lead for the Dem nomination since she announced in January.

Hilliary not only Rocks, she the Man and Woman America needs!!!

I just heard the Ohio char for Hillary said that Iowa was not important and the voters there do not matter.  CNN talked about it, does first read have any details.

Donna Brazile is such an apologist for Hillary, in every instance she said, the communication was not authorized - meanwhile we know Hillary is a control freak.  Either Hillary cant run her own organization or she is purposely trying to downplay Iowa.  Either was she is incompitent.

A vote for hillary is a vote for socialism & communism.  I say no thanks to all three.

Here is the report mentioned above:

CEDAR FALLS, Iowa (CNN) -- Days before the Iowa caucuses, a prominent Hillary Clinton supporter criticized the state's privileged role in the presidential nominating process, forcing her campaign to declare she did not agree.


Hillary Clinton campaigns at an elementary school Sunday in Cedar Falls, Iowa.

Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland told The Columbus Dispatch it "makes no sense" to grant Iowa the right to hold the first presidential contest.

He called the GOP and Democratic caucuses "hugely undemocratic," because the process "excludes so many people."

"I'd like to see both parties say, 'We're going to bring this to an end,'" Strickland said in Sunday's edition of the newspaper.

Strickland has made three trips to Iowa on behalf of Clinton, the paper reported.

Competing campaigns seized on the article and e-mailed it to reporters Sunday night to highlight Strickland's comments.

The Clinton campaign issued a statement shortly after midnight, distancing the New York senator from the governor's remarks.

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"Senator Clinton has worked her heart out campaigning in Iowa because she knows it plays a unique and special role in the nominating process and that process must be protected," the statement said. "As she has said many times she is glad Iowans are entrusted with this responsibility because they take it so seriously. On this issue Hillary and Gov. Strickland strongly disagree."

Strickland's comments came on the same day that WHO-TV reporter Dave Price reported that Clinton's Midwest co-chair, Jerry Crawford, told him that Clinton would "not be here caucus night."

Price said in the report posted at http://whoiapolitics.blogspot.com that Crawford told him it was because she "needs to get to New Hampshire."

In an interview with CNN, Crawford denied making the statement to Price.

"There's no way I could have [said] she wouldn't be here, because I never even heard it discussed at the time," Crawford told CNN.

Instead, Crawford said Price asked him something along the lines of where the senator might be Thursday night, and he answered by saying he "wasn't sure who'd be in Iowa and who'd be in New Hampshire."

Asked at an event Sunday night in Cedar Rapids whether she planned to spend the night of January 3 in Iowa, Clinton first laughed and then told CNN, "I'm just trying to get through each day here."

Pressed to clarify that remark, Clinton said, "I've got to figure out what I'm doing."



Clinton spokesman Jay Carson denied any notion that Clinton planned to leave Iowa early, calling it "totally and absolutely wrong."

"She is staying in Iowa until after caucus returns come back, and won't leave until late, late, late that night," Carson said

CLinton is correct. Obama whines all the time. He's either whinning about the press, or Clinton, or Edwards, or about his drug coverage.
Yet he forgets to tell you he went to an elite private high school, comes from an upper middle class family (raised in a SFH in Dowtown Honolulu, those are million dollar homes. .

He wants you to believe he's different.. ...yeah, for a rich kid he's different, he's trying to pass a middle class.

CitizenJ (Sent Monday, December 31, 2007 4:59 PM)

His health care plan does leave out 15 million. How many sources would you like me to post?

Sorry that you seem to be in a less than jolly mood on this new year's eve. DMR poll out tonight, fund raising numbers probably out in the next couple of days and the caucuses are Thursday. Considering that Obama's campaign, "guaranteed", victory in Iowa today, I thought you'd be busy singing Barack's praises rather than resorting to a recitation of questionable accusations against the candidate your guy ISN'T going after today.

That said, as I have often looked to you as one of the few islands of sanity in this sea of madness, I want to wish you, and every person of good will, a happy, healthy, and successful New Year.


Van

Hillary was attacked relentlessly for months...do you Obama lovers have amnesia? Why is it only okay to go negative when Lord Obama does it? Get ready for 8 great years of President Hillary Clinton!!!

CLinton is correct. Obama whines all the time. He's either whinning about the press, or Clinton, or Edwards, or about his drug coverage.
Yet he forgets to tell you he went to an elite private high school, comes from an upper middle class family (raised in a SFH in Dowtown Honolulu, those are million dollar homes. .

He wants you to believe he's different.. ...yeah, for a rich kid he's different, he's trying to pass a middle class.
Tuck, Realityville, Ks (Sent Monday, December 31, 2007 5:21 PM)

Uh, he didn't forget to tell anyone. He wrote a book about it. Maybe you should read it so you can get your facts straight.

By the way, didn't Clinton say that you are middle class if you make $90,000 a year?

WHERE IS THE CANDIDATE (MAN OR WOMAN) WHO HAS THE STRENGH OF CHARACTOR TO JUST GIVE THE CRYSTAL CLEAR FACTS? STRAIGHT UP STATEMENTS ABOUT WHAT THE CANDIDATES THINK, KNOWS, AND BELIEVES. I AM SOOOOOOOOO TIRED OF HEARING CUTZY LITTLE 'STATEMENTS' FROM ONE CANDIDATE ABOUT ANOTHER. STOP WASTING THE VOTERS TIME WITH 'DRIVEL'AND GET DOWN TO THE TRUTH.  IS THERE A CANDIDTATE OUT THERE WITH THE INTEGRITY TO JUST PLAIN GIVE THE VOTER THEIR OPINION ON WHAT MATTERS. NO JUMPING, STOMPING, OR LESS THAN SINCERE FLAG WAIVING.  I LOVE AMERICA AND BELIEVE IN THE FLAG BUT HATE TO SEE IT USED AS A 'VOTE GETTER'  

'A VOTER WHO IS SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH '

Happy New Year, everyone!  Let's hope it is a year of peace and prosperity for all of us.

If Hillary is having this much trouble against her Democratic opponents, it does not bode well for her fortunes in a general election. There's a huge smear campaign that Republicans are itching to unload on her if she's the nominee. It's fascinating how the Republican candidates love to mention Hillary as a way of turning out voters but they rarely mention Obama.

For a party that is having difficulty mobilizing their base, the GOP's job would become much easier if Hillary were on the November ballot. Even if the pro-life "family values" Christian voters don't have their ideal nominee in the general election, they would show up in droves just to vote against her. They would be much more likely to stay home if the GOP nominee is running against Obama. Most Democratic voters are either unaware of this or they are so loyal to Clinton that they turn a blind eye to her general election weaknesses.

The typical GOP voter has no clue that Clinton's views are generally more moderate than Obama's! All they know is that they've always hated Hillary and they always will regardless of what she does or says. Obama, even though he is black, still has far less baggage and GOP smear campaign fodder. Some Christian conservatives actually like him because he seems more authentic and coherent when he talks about his faith.

You'll have a hard time finding any religious conservative over 35 who could be persuaded vote for Hillary. Many of them have still not made up their minds about Obama which makes him more difficult to beat in a general election and explains why both the Clinton machine and the GOP are trying to avoid discussing his viability at all costs.

I KIND OF LIKE THE IDEA OR A MOTHER IN THE WHITE HOUSE.  A MOTHER WOULD NOT NORMALLY SEND HER CHILD TO A WAR WITH THE POSSIBLITY OF BEING MAIMED OR KILLED.  MOST WOMEN WILL NEGOITATE.  

"My two leading opponents have spent a lot of time right now kind of, you know, talking about each other," she said. "I'm gonna keep talking about the people of Iowa and the people of America."

The Hillary campaign has been hoping that Edwards and Obama begin addressing (tear each other down, which is not what's happening, unfortunately) each other, drown each other out, and give her an edge.  

In this speech, she's trying to point people in the direction of that strategic hope.  Fine.  So far so good.  Hey, I can understand, why not give it a go, it's for the presidency and you've been in steeped in politics.  It's forgivable, if a bit transparent.

But then the campaign denies that the comment is NOT referring to Edwards and Obama?????  Uhm, excuse me, could you please give the American people a bit more credit?  

I've been SICK and TIRED of the Bush administration treating the American people like idiots who just need to be expertly manipulated.  

And I'm getting SICK and TIRED, Hillary, of your seeming inability to just be straightforward FOR ONCE!  

It might help if you respected the average American a bit more, Hillary.

Hillary is the fray.

And finally, my favorite farewell of 2007;

Watcher 4 kind of gave us away, so we have decided to go ahead and come clean.  Besides, the game here is getting a little out of control.  We actually never intended to be the cause of anyone's meltdown.
Our fearless leader (not Mark Thieme) invented that name about a year ago with Samuel Clemens in mind. (Mark Twain/Mark Thieme... marking time)
It started as a group of five people, 2 women and 3 men who worked in the same campaign, but soon it spread to other campaigns as well.  Once we had more than 50, but due to the increasing intensity of the campaign, we have lost some members.
Diverse group. Some young, some old, only 5 white males! Some are veterans, some are not.  We have almost as many women as men and even 2 Republicans who claim they won't vote that way in 2008.
Our original intent was to choose some interesting blogs and have some good clean fun.
Soon, though, we found ourselves in the most horrendous and vile shouting matches most of us had actually witnessed up close.
Our idea had been to inject some of the reality of campaigning into the dialog.  But we soon found out, that as Thomas Merton famously said, "Most humans can't stand much reality."
We found ourselves being punched out by weekend warriors, both political and military.  Our veterans were incensed, our political operatives laughed at first, but then Mark Thieme suited up.
The Thieme character was flawed from the beginning.  We keep a diary of faux pas which we were never called on.  One time Thieme has kids, other times he is single, and so on.  It was always according to who was blogging.
Last night there were howls of laughter as van reuter pompously announces that he can't find Mark Thieme on Google!  Really?
The truth about Thieme is that he has become a man of many incarnations, as van has pointed out.  We voted yesterday to kill him, (Mark Thieme, not van) and so we did.  So van won't have Mark Thieme to kick around any more.
We regrouped and voted to bug van like he had harassed so many on First Read with his trash heap and hot air attacks.
One reason we stayed on is that some here know van from other times and places and do not like him.  Apparently the guy knows how to make enemies.  Also we have 3 designated smoke detectors and they all honed in on him.  All in all, probably unfair.
That is what we meant when we hinted that we have an unfair advantage over whoever we go up against.  We know them better than they know us.  (Hey Google, right van?)
So we'll be watching, but at least using new names.  Most likely we'll spend more time in other places for awhile until van cools down.
By the way, we were surprised that no one noticed we were multiple personalities except in name calling and bashing.  There are hundreds of groups just like this all around the globe.  We, being high-minded and morally pure, do want to offer sincere apologies to anyone who took us seriously.  HP was catching on, but van was far behind... and that's where we will leave him for now.
It has been fun and we have met some great folks here. Thanks to all.

Peace,

The Mark Thiemes

Watchers 1-34 (Sent Wednesday, October 24, 2007 5:25 PM)

Van
(Happy New Year!)

To amos, MA:
Chris  mathews subjetive? My a--.
He is the biggest Clinton-basher on network TV.

JERRY L. - you DON'T negotiate with terrorists! EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER.

You getting the idea? EVER. Period.

Van,

First, Happy New Year!

Second, please post the source that says that the Obama plan leaves out 15 million people. I haven't seen it. In any case, it would have to be an estimate, so that is not a fact. Also, absent health coverage for all paid for by the government, none of the plans by the "top three" Democratic candidates are universal, so really this is just alot of smoke and mirrors to deflect from the fact that Senator Clinton is trying to smooth talk us into sending the health care insurance industry our hard earned money for "coverage", even though they get to decide when and if they will pay (like the sad case of the young lady who was denied a liver transplant until it was too late).

There's a reason educated Dems don't prefer Hillary.

They're sick of being lied to and they can see through the Mark "Jabba the Hut" Penn garbage.

HRC wasn't referring to Edwards and Obama in her remarks?  Please.  Hillary, your credibility is sinking to Bushian proportians.

I wish you all a Happy New Year's.  I'm sorry, that we've had so much conflict about who we all think would be the best next president of the United States.  I suppose that as long as we all agree to disagree, this will be healthy for our country.

That being said, my hopes and prayers, as a patriotic American, hold that Barack Obama is our next president.  He is head and shoulders above the rest of the pack and without casting aspersions against his rivals, I will continue only by singing his praises.  

What this man's leadership can do for our country is more than the sum of the parts that he has to offer.  His intelligence, judgment and integrity, his ability to inspire both domestically and internationally, make him the candidate of a lifetime.  

People of Iowa, I only hope that you will start the ball rolling.  Please make 2008 a new start for a country that desperately needs a new start.  Help our great country re-establish itself as the moral compass of the world.  We can win the battle against our enemies not only by maintaining a strong defense (which is of absolute importance, without paid mercenaries) but at the same time,  by providing the light to show the rest of the world the way in which civilized nations should behave.  I truly believe that the presidency of Barack Obama, with his ability to bring Americans together, working as a moral nation, will lead us to a new golden age of Pericles.  Since JFK, there hasn't been a candidate with this potential; let's not miss this opportunity.
Obama '08

Hillary Clinton has had so many different faces in this election, she can't be trusted.  No one really knows her or what her "positive vision" is.  Her vision may consist of Bill picking out China patterns for all we know.  She is so inconsistent in message and positions, and she thinks the American people are too stupid to notice.  Show her with your vote, that she has got it wrong.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvpJBmxbCkc

Interesting --- Undecided

Hillary, a serious candidate CANNOT stay above the fray.

FACT: A sleezy Washington self serving paperhanger! Clinton's have one thing in their favor, both her and he are liar's, immoral trailer trash, control freaks! Where  the experience, now that was just pure bull sheeit!

You want change, then this is how to send a real message

""STFU CLINTON'S, AMERICA SAW YOUR SCUM BAG POLICY""

America will never have a garbage bag Washington self serving paper hanging hag as the president!!  Being a control freak doesnt make any one experienced. Just who started she had experience,, this is nothing more than a  ploy by sucked off billy boy.

The FACTS HAVE BEEN POSTED HERE MORE THAN ONE TIME!!!

ALL YOU UNCLE TOM BLACKS, PLEASE VOTE FOR HILLARY WHERE WE CAN BLOW HER AWAY.  sHE BE TALKING YO TALK, N GOIN YOU CHURCH.

Obama2016 - That's when he would have been tested and vetted and ready for the presidency. Hillary is tested and vetted and will be a great president from 2008 thru 2016.

I wish Obama supporters would look past the flash.

Obama is very charismatic, and he is very bright. As others have said, I believe he has a political future ahead of him -- but it is not yet his time. He needs more experience, more seasoning.

I think many people are supporting him because he's so vibrant and because he promises "change." People need hope, and have a tendency to believe what they want to be true *is* true. They want a vibrant, charismatic leader, and here comes Obama.

But the package is not the product.

Hillary is the real deal. Edwards is slick. Has anyone noticed that Hillary is not? That she has trouble hiding how she feels about things? If you're paying attention, she's a lot more candid than her opposition. On the one hand, people criticize Hillary for being "calculating," i.e. disingenuous, and on the other they criticize her for being "cold." They don't stop and realize that what they are reading as cold and calculating is honesty. Hillary is more worthy of trust precisely because she has trouble being what Obama and Edwards -- and her husband -- are so good at being: slick.

Hillary is not slick. When she tries to be slick, that's when she comes off as phony.

Don't vote for a pretty package, people. Vote for substance. Furthermore, it's not a matter of who wins biggest in November; both Hillary and Obama out-poll the Republicans, so it's really a matter of who will make the better president between them. And the answer to that one is blindingly clear: Hillary.

J:

I just want to correct one of your points.  The reason Bill did not campaign in Iowa in 1992 was because Senator Harkin was also running for president.  Harkin won Iowa with 76% of the vote; no one else even had 5%.  

Staying above the fray,, should have been foray! A DNC vote is worthless!

The DNC put all it's in one pot! What a bust, this is a common act of the worthless Washington self serving Paper Hangers let alone their part in a failed congress!!

It may look good at the top, but down here doom and gloom would be better than the DNC!

Getting a standing ovation was meaning, she said talk was solving nothing!!!! Well, this statemet was not written by Her!! That phrase comes straight from Bill Clinton.

Well, it's true!! A Washington self serving paper hanger   just shot herself in the A@@ with both barrels!!  Conjecture is the Clinton method to twist any thing a every thing to suit their agenda!!

Clinton you just did the """DEAN YEEEEEEEEHHHAAAAAAA""!

NOW SLAM THE GAVEL: IT'S FACT

if obama got the attacts that clinton got i just wonder how he would have stood up to it.Ihave quit watching Chris Matthews because is all about attects on clinton.obama has gotten a free pass.The media is selling him to us,but i'm not going to buy it.I have never missed casting my vote(not that it matters) but i will not vote for obama.

if obama got the attacts that clinton got i just wonder how he would have stood up to it.Ihave quit watching Chris Matthews because is all about attects on clinton.obama has gotten a free pass.The media is selling him to us,but i'm not going to buy it.I have never missed casting my vote(not that it matters) but i will not vote for obama.

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