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Biden memo rips Edwards

Posted: Monday, December 31, 2007 6:05 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC’s Domenico Montanaro
Edwards
, electable? Not so much, according to a blistering memo out this afternoon from Biden Communications Director Larry Rasky.

“[T]he evidence that Edwards is more electable is at best thin and is probably misleading,” Rasky writes in the memo, which reads more like it is straight out of the RNC's research shop. “The first question mark is that Edwards was unlikely to hold onto to his North Carolina Senate seat in 2003 when he decided not to run for re-election. In short, if John Edwards is so electable, why couldn’t he be re-elected in his home state?”

He then hits Edwards for not carrying his home state as part of the Kerry-Edwards 2004 presidential ticket, and that they even lost Edwards’ home county.

“At the end of the day, despite repeated assurances, Kerry-Edwards also failed to win a single southern state,” Rasky writes. “So it’s understandable that this time around, even John Edwards’s own people are acknowledging his vulnerability: Rob Tully, a former state party chairman and Edwards backer, said “if he doesn't win Iowa or come very close this time, ‘we're done.’”

Rasky even writes, “[T]here are serious doubts about Edwards’ message” before pivoting to why he thinks Biden is more electable. He claims Biden “has set a 15-18 red state strategy” and that “Sen. Biden’s victories have also come during times of strong Republican presence in the Delaware.”

The memo ends with, “These are the facts. Wishing you all a happy and thoughtful New Year.  Larry.”

I guess Edwards won’t be getting many of those Biden second-choice voters. Biden has been polling fifth in Iowa consistently, including in the latest MSNBC/McClatchy/Mason-Dixon poll, in which he has just 8%, trailing Edwards (24%), Clinton (23%), Obama (22%) and Richardson (12%).

Here's the memo:

DECEMBER 31, 2007
TO:                  INTERESTED PARTIES
FROM:            LARRY RASKY
COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR
BIDEN FOR PRESIDENT
RE:                 THOUGHTS ON ELECTABILITY
 
In the closing days of this race for the Democratic nomination for President, voters and reporters alike have heard former Sen. John Edwards make the same electability case over and over again.  Edwards argues that with his southern roots he can compete in more states than any other Democratic candidate in the general election. 

Last week in New Hampshire, Edwards said: “I think people want someone they know can win in the general election.  I think the evidence is overwhelming that I’m very strong, the strongest general election data. . . . I’m the one Democrat who has won in a Red State, who can go into any place in America and be successful.” 

However, the evidence that Edwards is more electable is at best thin and is probably misleading.

The first question mark is that Edwards was unlikely to hold onto to his North Carolina Senate seat in 2003 when he decided not to run for re-election.  In short, if John Edwards is so electable, why couldn’t he be re-elected in his home state?

Indeed, Jennifer Duffy of the Cook Political Report noted at the time, “Edwards is not that strong.” [The Herald-Sun (Durham, NC), 2/16/03]  Research 2000’s poll for the Raleigh News and Observer taken from July 13-16, 2003 showed that Edwards’s re-election number stood at 34 percent.  In that same poll, only 45 percent of North Carolinians approved of Edwards’s job as their junior Senator.  

Edwards fared no better as the Democratic Party’s Vice Presidential candidate in 2004.  After being selected as John Kerry’s running mate, Edwards said, “I think we will be very competitive in the South, particularly in those states in which national Democrats need to be competitive to be successful.” [Associated Press, 7/10/04]  Unfortunately, Edwards failed to carry his home state.  Edwards lost his home county—Moore County—by  more than eleven thousand votes, 24,714 to 13,555.  He also lost his hometown by more than 300 votes, 506 to 191. 

At the end of the day, despite repeated assurances, Kerry-Edwards also failed to win a single southern state. So it’s understandable that this time around, even John Edwards’s own people are acknowledging his vulnerability: Rob Tully, a former state party chairman and Edwards backer, said “if he doesn't win Iowa or come very close this time, ‘we're done.’” [USA TODAY, 12/12/07]

In addition, there are serious doubts about Edwards’ message.  A recent Edwards ad asserts, “It’s time to tell the truth.  These big corporations and their greed, they are stealing your children’s future. We will never change this country unless we are willing to take those people on.”  Some are arguing that this will not go over well with general election voters.  In a column, respected political analyst Stuart Rothenberg wrote, "Edwards certainly would dispute that there is an inherent contradiction between his populist rhetoric and his alleged middle class appeal. But his approach to problems is likely to frighten many voters, including most middle class Americans and virtually all Republicans." [The Rothenberg Political Report, 12/31/07]

So who has what it takes to carry the southern vote? Well, with so much riding on his southern electability argument, “native son” John Edwards actually fares only 4 points ahead of Joe Biden in the most recent Insider Advantage poll out of South Carolina. And if one thing is certain in the 2008 race, it’s that no Democrat will win using the same 20-plus-five strategy that has failed in the last two elections.  In this general election, Joe Biden has set a 15-18 red state strategy, which not only sets him apart from the top tier, but gives him the most realistic shot at victory next November.

Furthermore, Joe Biden has historically and consistently won by large margins.  In 1972, Joe Biden staged a huge upset, unseating two-term Sen. Caleb Boggs, a popular former congressman and governor. Since then, Joe Biden has consistently won re-election by over 15 percentage points, and always garnering more than 57 percent of the vote.
 
Sen. Biden’s victories have also come during times of strong Republican presence in the Delaware, in the form of both a Republican Senator (William Roth) and Republican Governors (du Pont, Castle and Wolf). Rep. Mike Castle consistently wins statewide, earning 57 percent in the last election. The Delaware State House has split leadership, with Democrats controlling the Senate and Republicans controlling the House.

These are the facts.
 
Wishing you all a happy and thoughtful New Year.  Larry

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Certainly an attack memo like this isn't very flattering for Biden to put out.  Given that, I fail to disagree with the points about Edwards' electability: he seems to be quite talented at losing elections.  I suspect he's the only one of the leading three who stands any chance of losing a general election.  Not to say that I think Biden would win: he seems to be a bright guy, but clearly not adept at organizing a campaign.
Seems like Clinton-Obama ticket with Biden as Sec of State. Unless Biden does great in Iowa. Then it can be Clinton-Biden ticket.
Why would Biden do this? He know's he's not going to win. Edwards isn't a threat to him. Biden gains nothing. Obama would gain the most if Biden was able to sway Iowans away from Edwards. So Biden just doesn't like Edwards or he's doing some knee-capping on behalf of Obama.
wow.  you go biden.  I guess someone is actually offering up some edwards information that is free of sugar-coating.  Edwards has remained just obscure enough over the last months so that his every word hasn't been analyzed, and now that he's storming out of behind-the-scenes (read "behind Hillary/Obama"), he's able to get a boost in the polls because there has been little negative press about him.  But he deserves some analysis...otherwise he might sneak to victory in Iowa (but would never hold up as the nominee)
"I guess Edwards won’t be getting many of those Biden second-choice voters."
--That wasn't my take-away message.  Voters don't necessarily vote like their candidates.  (That is why I would have been interested in a John Kerry endorsement).
--I heard a second-tier candidate attacking Fmr. Sen. J. Edwards.  It sounds to me like he is considered the easiest to 'bump' off.  I could be wrong.
Could it be possible that the reason Kerry/Edwards didn't carry North Carolina was because them southerners didn't like the Yankee cadndidate (Kerry) and the fact that Edwards was his running mate made no difference to them. I'll go even a step further and say maybe some of them felt Edwards a trader for pairing up with Kerry, a democrat from Boston? Plus let's not forget where this memo came from, Biden Communications Director Larry Rasky. Last minute ploys from all campaigns surfacing.
The fact is that politics in the U.S. today involve attacking your competitors and trying to damage their campaign and thereby enhance your own. This screed by Rasky is laughable and full of his opinions presented as "facts". John Edwards is a very good candidate(whom I support)as are Barack and Hillary. Why not present your best case for your own candidate and leave the hostility for your competitors out of the discourse. Let the voters and caucus goers decide who the winner is. Mr. Rasky does not help Joe Biden who is a great American and a good Senator. Chill.
Senator Biden, Great Observation....Everyone should pay close attention to these words........

OBAMA/BIDEN (THEY ARE MY CHOICES)
Does anyone else find it interesting that this is one of the few times that an article on this site deals ONLY with Senator Biden?  He has campaigned for how long, and hasn't ever gotten much attention. But an ad that might be considered an attack ad merits a whole article.  What does that tell you about meida coverage?
Despite the perceived tone of this message, I must agree with the bottom line that Larry Rasky puts forth.  When I envision each of the Democratic candidates going toe to to with any of the Republican possibilities, I feel Joe Biden is the best we have to offer.  Additionally, I've heard many moderate Republicans who are partial to him as well.  And finally, here in North Carolina, John Edwards is not universally liked, by any means.  I think the Democrats' would do best with Joe Biden as their nominee.
The message is this: If you're a Biden supporter, do not waste your second choice vote on John Edwards. JE is a good trial lawyer, but an even greater actor. Unfortunately, his politics further divide the country. Differences become strengths when we all work toward common goals.
Call him out, Biden! Let's take that phony down. Biden deserves to take Edwards' spot. Biden is far more honest, earnest, straightforward, and experienced than Edwards. He doesn't look to start class wars to gain votes. And the only dirt people can dig up are FALSE 20-year old "plagiarism" reports.
I don't like seeing Democrats attacking other Democrats (other than Clinton)

Why would Biden do this ?
Is he looking for the VP slot on an Obama/Biden ticket ?

It would be an attractive ticket

Don't do it this way, Joe....

Edwards is a good candidate, BUT........

He's NOT the most electable.....

Obama is because he's a conciliator
Edwards is the second most electable
Biden is third because he has 'real' experience....
That puts Dodd as fourth (but a little dowdy) ...
Richardson is the fifth most electable....

Guess who would unify the Republicans ?
Guess who would shatter Democratuc unity ?
You got it ..... the crook !!
Come on Cal, the south didn't like JFK but LBJ helped him enormously.  If you can't win in your own hometown, that has to tell you something.
Could this be Joe Biden's way of Apoligizing to Barack for the comment earlier this year? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! It's defintly not what Hillary would want, so she's Not behind it.Joe Biden knows, his Influence would be minable in a Clinton admistration. On the other hand, in a Barack admistration, Joe Biden would have a lotta say, doncha think?
There is NO doubt that Edwards won't be getting any votes from Biden supporters.  
People who support Biden are people that value experience, honesty and truthfulness.  And most of us already own a car....
These aren't ploys, SoCal, they are cold hard facts.  The Kerry-Edwards ticket couldn't beat a standing president who is about as popular as cancer in his own hometown.  What makes you think he will do any better this time around?

There is absolutely no debate to be had on this issue:  Joe Biden is the most qualified candidate running on the Democratic side.  Don't get me wrong, I like John Edwards.  I think he is a fine and principled man.  But you can't stand here and tell me with a straight face that he is a more qualified candidate than Joe Biden.
Will John Edwards' populist rhetoric really "frighten... most middle class Americans and virtually all Republicans"? That assertion is laughable. The voters I know have been galvanized by Edwards' message. And, that assertion is historically inaccurate.

Bill Clinton in 1992 had a strong populist message.  That message hit a nerve.  It brought an obscure Arkansas governor with little foreign policy experience all the way to the presidency.

From a 1991 NYT article on Clinton's decision to run for national office:

Mr. Clinton has also acquired a strong populist tone. "I'm not out to soak the rich," he said today. "I wouldn't mind being rich myself. But I do believe that rich people should pay their fair share of taxes. For 12 years, while middle class incomes went down, the Republicans raised taxes on middle class people. And while the incomes of our wealthiest people went up, their taxes were lowered. That's wrong, and the middle class needs a break."

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CEEDB1E3BF937A35753C1A967958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2
SoCal: Why didn't they at least get Edwards home county then? Or a single southern state since that was the purpose of putting Edwards ON the ticket.
The more important part of the arguement than whether or not Edwards claim about being able to win any southern states, is that his message will not be a winner in the general election.  Both he and Obama have a populist agenda, but Obama is selling the message in such a way that Republicans and Independents find his bipartisan ideals appealing.  Edwards is using partisan rhetoric, that he will not be able to step away from in the general election.

Clinton is very moderate, but with almost no cross over appeal and negatives amomgst some democrats, she is the most unelectable.
SoCal for Edwards,

That doesn't explain why Edwards wasn't favored for re-election for his Senate seat (Kerry wasn't on that ticket).

I am very concerned that we could really loose this thing if Edwards or Clinton get the nomination.  Edwards has less experience that either of the other three front runners, a terrible voting record and no foreign policy experience or platform.  Not to mention spending limit issue.  Of course Edwards would get a lot of money if he got the nomination but his hands would be tied until August 25th.  That's a whole lot of time for the Republicans to beat up on him with him unable to make a strong counter attack.  His Senate record concerns me more than anything though.

People say Biden can't organize a campaign.  Those the media focus on raise the most money and get the most votes no matter how hard they fight and campaign.  Joe is the only candidate that has any international experience beyond vacationing, and we need a President that can fix our problems in the international enviornment before we end up in WW III.  If people would pay attention, they would realize this fast before we make another huge mistake on the Presidency.  We are so worried about a woman President or a Black President that we are not looking for the right President!!
That letter should have been triple-long and mention reasons why hillary and obama wouldn't be electable either. it's even easier to think of them.
Joe Biden is not known for attacking fellow democrats.  He is not known for negativity.
Dodd has ripped but, Biden has always been cool.  So this carries alot more weight.  Biden is not happy with Edwards and for Biden to go with this means he has alot of concerns.
SoCal....Yes let's not forget where the Biden campaign got the info.....uh....HISTORY BOOKS MAYBE!!
Edwards couldn't even carry his own COUNTY!!! So all the people from North Carolina who thought him a 'trader' for running with Kerry, don't think that anymore? We are just so darn hillbilly...yuck yuck....that we'll see him as different now? What ever helps you sleep at night brother, but I wouldn't count on it. AND...his lack of money WILL BE an issue no matter how he wants to downplay it. To get any real traction further on he'll end up having to depend on that 527 of his to help him out even more....and then he'll be done.
Biden is surging in Iowa.  He is drawing much bigger crowds all of a sudden.  I think people are starting to wake up to what their choices really are.  Electability is one of Biden's best arguments, along with being the only guy in the class with three decades of thinking about how to position his country in the world to its best advantage.

He is far more red-state electable than Clinton, Edwards or Obama. Clinton might not carry some key purple states in the Midwest.  Repubs and a lot of Dem men will not vote for her.
1. John Kerry DID NOT RUN ONE SINGLE CAMPAIGN AD IN NORTH CAROLINA, and probably didn't run them in most southern states.

2. John Edwards' approval rating in NC in July 2004 was over 50%.

3. John Edwards would have defeated Richard Burr had he run for reelection, around 53% to 47% according to most surveys.

4. Polls today show Edwards defeating all Republicans in NC (December's Public Policy Polling & Elon University earlier in the year), defeating Romney and Giuliani in Oklahoma while tying Huckabee and losing to McCain and Thompson there, and also show that Edwards would defeat all Republicans in IOWA, which Clinton and Obama do not.

Maybe Joe Biden needs to go somewhere and GET A CLUE.

John Kerry didn't run one single campaign ad in North Carolina.

John Kerry didn't run one single campaign ad in North Carolina.

John Edwards was not the problem with that ticket.  All other NORTH CAROLINA DEMOCRATS WON.  They won the Governorship, Lt. Governorship, Attorney General, Treasurer, and both houses of the General Assembly.

The only things they lost were the U.S. Senate and Presidency because Erskine Bowles and John Kerry WERE BOTH TERRIBLE CANDIDATES.

Joe Biden is a lying S.O.B.  
Joe Biden is the man

Period
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Edwards has apologized for every major legislation he signed in the Senate. -- BAD JUDGMENT

Edwards was a 1 term Senator. -- NO EXPERIENCE

Edwards could get re-elected or carry his home state. -- UNELECTABLE
There goes Biden chance to be VP under Edwards. And they had been such good buddies up until now.
Second choice: Edwards v. Obama  by: Jeff Zeleny

JEFFERSON, Iowa – Yes, there are perils to taking questions during the closing stretch of a presidential campaign, particularly as the candidates diligently work to stay focused on their message and avoid dangerous missteps.
There also are opportunities.
Consider a scene from here in Jefferson this afternoon, when Gene Blanshan, a 59-year-old farmer from nearby Panora, posed this question of Senator Barack Obama: “I’m a Biden supporter. He might not be viable. Why should I select you over John Edwards?”
With an apparent deadlock among three Democratic candidates, a remarkably fierce competition has broken out between Mr. Obama and Mr. Edwards as they work to win over undecided voters and try to become the second-choice for Democratic voters here.

After praising Senator Joseph R. Biden, this is how Mr. Obama responded:
“I think John is a fine person with a beautiful family who has run a very good campaign. But I would say that if you look at the track records of who has really brought about change when they were in a position to do it, I think I can make a claim that you can trust, you can count on.
“When I was in the Senate, I fought and got the power of lobbyists reduced. That’s not something that John invested in, even though he’s talking about it a lot now. When I talked about getting troops out of Iraq, I was opposed to the war at the start, when it was unpopular to be against the war, John was for it.”
He continued drawing distinctions, on a series of votes that Mr. Edwards took in the Senate, from trade agreements to bankruptcy legislation to education policy. Then, this is how he concluded:
“I think you have to take a look at where somebody’s been to know where they’re going. He says now that those were mistakes. I have no reason to doubt that he believes that. The point I’m making is that in my gut, there is a consistency of who I’m fighting for, what I believe in, the choices I’ve made in my life, that can give you some assurance that when I get into the White House, I’m going to be fighting for you and I’m not going to be different as time goes on.”
When the campaign stop here ended, Mr. Blanshan found himself surrounded by reporters. He reiterated his support for Mr. Biden, but said he fears that he may not reach 15 percent viability needed to win delegates, so he wants to prepare a second choice.
“Right now, I would be in Obama’s camp on second choice,” Mr. Blanshan said. “We need to have an agent of change and I believe Obama is the greatest agent of change that we have out there.”
A few months back, when Mr. Edwards was passing through Jefferson, Mr. Blanshan said he asked him the same question. He likes the fact that Mr. Edwards was the first to propose ideas for health care reform and other ideas, but after weighing the two answers, he said he was siding with Mr. Obama.
“There are times in history where country’s need a change in direction – a dramatic change in direction – and it gets down to Edwards or Obama on that issue,” Mr. Blanshan said. “I want a catalyst for change.”
A few hours earlier, there was a private discussion inside the Obama campaign whether the senator should take questions from voters today. (Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is rarely taking questions during the public portion of her campaign events.) The smile on Mr. Obama’s face – and on the faces of his aides – suggested they were pleased he did
This is a very good strategy.  Both Biden and Edwards are vying for the same constituency- blue-collared union folk- so if Biden can sway some of those guys from Edwards he could do much better than expected in Iowa.  I like it Joe!  Good luck!
Why isn't this flattering?  I think this is precisely what campaigns should do. When one campaign makes a charge, refute the charge with facts.  As long as it stays "above the belt," it's fair game.  This was a factual memo that ably disputes (dare I say demolishes?) Edwards' electability argument.  
ABout time. Obama and Edwards are jokes. Obama is an arrogant and lazy guy who doesn't want to show up and vote on important issues. Edwards is worried about edwards and would do anything to get elected. They both would get slaughtered in a general election.
Which Republican can beat Biden?
Glad to hear someone is bringing this to attention.  I tell you what, if McCain gets the nomination there better be a very strong, very experienced, man's man kind of democrat to take him on.  They can't look weak at all!   I honestly doubt Edwards can win the general election and I have serious doubts that Obama can.  

By the way, when I used the description man's man above, I'm not excluding Hillary. She's the toughest one out of the top three.  And no, I am not supporting her.  
Yay Biden camp for telling it like it is. I don't know if Obama and Biden are working out something where his supporters might caucus for Barack as second choice but whatever the reason for this I appreciate Biden's camp for speaking the truth about this just like I enjoyed when Dodd pointed out how specious Hillary's most experienced argument was.
This is about a lifetime US Senator being creamed by a current 2-term(Hillary), current 1-term(Barack) and a former 1-term(John)senator. So let me hit on the one who isn't in the Senate. Poor 'Ole Joe. Get ready for an early dismissal old man. You sound bad.
Biden is looking to be on the VP ticket.

So he may get on w/billary if she's the nominee, or Obama.

Truth hurts.  Edwards has only one ONE election in his life.

Mr. $400 haircut couldn't win his own state b/c he's do darn lavish, yet talks about the poor.  Gimme a break.
obama/biden '08. i've been saying it all along ...
No sense making each other look bad, what happens if you win the Caucus and set a lost for the general election.

The electability argument stems from several polls that show Edwards beating all the Republicans in head to head match-ups by a larger margin than either Clinton or Obama for THIS general election.

Obama has NEVER won an election in a red state...neither has Clinton.  Edwards HAS.  Since he didn't campaign for a second Senate term, we'll never know whether he would have won or not.  Further, KERRY lost in 2004.  I don't know about you, but I vote based on whose FIRST on the ticket, not their running mate.

Specious arguments from Biden.  I suspect Biden is piqued that Edwards got some positive media following the Bhutto assassination.  
You GO JOE! Me thinks Biden is not going to sit back and watch this tragedy take place. Everything Joe has said is true. When I think back, the fact that Edwards could'nt carry his home state, stil brings tears to my eyes, that killed us. He WILL be the easiest for the Republicans to beat. Evidently Biden does not want to see the Republicans back in the White House.
Obama was the choice of 32 percent of likely Democratic caucusgoers, up from 28 percent in the Register's last poll in late November, while Clinton, a New York senator, held steady at 25 percent and Edwards, a former North Carolina senator, was virtually unchanged at 24 percent
It looks like Biden, Clinton's lackey is doing her dirty work for her.  Biden is one of the least likeable individuals running who ofter has his foot stuck in his mouth.  He is just jealous of Edwards appeal with the electorate.  Obviously, the Clintons have made overtures to their attack dog Biden.  The Clintons would not run Obama as the vice presidential candidate, he does not have the necessary attack dog Qualities.  Biden is rehearsing yet again for the Vice Presidency.  He is and always has been a shill for Clinton.  Notice he never attacks her.
Biden is probably pining for a chance to be Obama's VP choice if Obama gets the nomination-- which is something that I would wholeheartedly support.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage

$400 HAIR CUT WHILES HE CONDERMS COORPERATE GREED. THAT MONEY COULD FEED SOME KID IN N.O O AFRICA  IT WILL BE OSSIE MORON TO VOTE FOR EDWARDS AGAIN.
Biden is absolutely right and he tells it like it is!
That's one of his key qualities.

Those of us who have been around know John Edwards doesn't have the track record to match the rhetoric.

If John has really changed his ways, let him run for a lesser office than president to prove it.  Then perhaps we'll take another look at him.

Biden is too reputable to team up with Clinton.  He has a stellar reputation - no need to tarnish it at this point in his career. We all saw how Al Gore was treated in a Clinton administration. Bill will ride roughshod over any VP candidate.

I hope Biden and Obama team up.  Can you imagine the strength of that ticket?They would win by a landslide!  They would complement each other so well!

Simon heck yes!  Put Dodd somewhere too, UN?  He has skills!
If people were looking at past performance then no candidate will have a chance. John Edwards is in this race to really shake up the institution of democracy, because it has been developed to serve the powerful and wealthy coorporations and individuals. To gain our jobs back, to stop spending in senseless wars to stop global warming, to make Americans healthier it is time to say no to the money self-interest campaings and vote with your heart and mind. Go Edwards!  
Edwards is such a good, decent man,  He is intelligent and makes so much sense if people will just listen to him.  I went from Clinton to Obama and now to Edwards and i am glad i came to my senses.  He will be respected throughout the world for his calm and rational approach.


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