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Biden memo rips Edwards

Posted: Monday, December 31, 2007 6:05 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC’s Domenico Montanaro
Edwards
, electable? Not so much, according to a blistering memo out this afternoon from Biden Communications Director Larry Rasky.

“[T]he evidence that Edwards is more electable is at best thin and is probably misleading,” Rasky writes in the memo, which reads more like it is straight out of the RNC's research shop. “The first question mark is that Edwards was unlikely to hold onto to his North Carolina Senate seat in 2003 when he decided not to run for re-election. In short, if John Edwards is so electable, why couldn’t he be re-elected in his home state?”

He then hits Edwards for not carrying his home state as part of the Kerry-Edwards 2004 presidential ticket, and that they even lost Edwards’ home county.

“At the end of the day, despite repeated assurances, Kerry-Edwards also failed to win a single southern state,” Rasky writes. “So it’s understandable that this time around, even John Edwards’s own people are acknowledging his vulnerability: Rob Tully, a former state party chairman and Edwards backer, said “if he doesn't win Iowa or come very close this time, ‘we're done.’”

Rasky even writes, “[T]here are serious doubts about Edwards’ message” before pivoting to why he thinks Biden is more electable. He claims Biden “has set a 15-18 red state strategy” and that “Sen. Biden’s victories have also come during times of strong Republican presence in the Delaware.”

The memo ends with, “These are the facts. Wishing you all a happy and thoughtful New Year.  Larry.”

I guess Edwards won’t be getting many of those Biden second-choice voters. Biden has been polling fifth in Iowa consistently, including in the latest MSNBC/McClatchy/Mason-Dixon poll, in which he has just 8%, trailing Edwards (24%), Clinton (23%), Obama (22%) and Richardson (12%).

Here's the memo:

DECEMBER 31, 2007
TO:                  INTERESTED PARTIES
FROM:            LARRY RASKY
COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR
BIDEN FOR PRESIDENT
RE:                 THOUGHTS ON ELECTABILITY
 
In the closing days of this race for the Democratic nomination for President, voters and reporters alike have heard former Sen. John Edwards make the same electability case over and over again.  Edwards argues that with his southern roots he can compete in more states than any other Democratic candidate in the general election. 

Last week in New Hampshire, Edwards said: “I think people want someone they know can win in the general election.  I think the evidence is overwhelming that I’m very strong, the strongest general election data. . . . I’m the one Democrat who has won in a Red State, who can go into any place in America and be successful.” 

However, the evidence that Edwards is more electable is at best thin and is probably misleading.

The first question mark is that Edwards was unlikely to hold onto to his North Carolina Senate seat in 2003 when he decided not to run for re-election.  In short, if John Edwards is so electable, why couldn’t he be re-elected in his home state?

Indeed, Jennifer Duffy of the Cook Political Report noted at the time, “Edwards is not that strong.” [The Herald-Sun (Durham, NC), 2/16/03]  Research 2000’s poll for the Raleigh News and Observer taken from July 13-16, 2003 showed that Edwards’s re-election number stood at 34 percent.  In that same poll, only 45 percent of North Carolinians approved of Edwards’s job as their junior Senator.  

Edwards fared no better as the Democratic Party’s Vice Presidential candidate in 2004.  After being selected as John Kerry’s running mate, Edwards said, “I think we will be very competitive in the South, particularly in those states in which national Democrats need to be competitive to be successful.” [Associated Press, 7/10/04]  Unfortunately, Edwards failed to carry his home state.  Edwards lost his home county—Moore County—by  more than eleven thousand votes, 24,714 to 13,555.  He also lost his hometown by more than 300 votes, 506 to 191. 

At the end of the day, despite repeated assurances, Kerry-Edwards also failed to win a single southern state. So it’s understandable that this time around, even John Edwards’s own people are acknowledging his vulnerability: Rob Tully, a former state party chairman and Edwards backer, said “if he doesn't win Iowa or come very close this time, ‘we're done.’” [USA TODAY, 12/12/07]

In addition, there are serious doubts about Edwards’ message.  A recent Edwards ad asserts, “It’s time to tell the truth.  These big corporations and their greed, they are stealing your children’s future. We will never change this country unless we are willing to take those people on.”  Some are arguing that this will not go over well with general election voters.  In a column, respected political analyst Stuart Rothenberg wrote, "Edwards certainly would dispute that there is an inherent contradiction between his populist rhetoric and his alleged middle class appeal. But his approach to problems is likely to frighten many voters, including most middle class Americans and virtually all Republicans." [The Rothenberg Political Report, 12/31/07]

So who has what it takes to carry the southern vote? Well, with so much riding on his southern electability argument, “native son” John Edwards actually fares only 4 points ahead of Joe Biden in the most recent Insider Advantage poll out of South Carolina. And if one thing is certain in the 2008 race, it’s that no Democrat will win using the same 20-plus-five strategy that has failed in the last two elections.  In this general election, Joe Biden has set a 15-18 red state strategy, which not only sets him apart from the top tier, but gives him the most realistic shot at victory next November.

Furthermore, Joe Biden has historically and consistently won by large margins.  In 1972, Joe Biden staged a huge upset, unseating two-term Sen. Caleb Boggs, a popular former congressman and governor. Since then, Joe Biden has consistently won re-election by over 15 percentage points, and always garnering more than 57 percent of the vote.
 
Sen. Biden’s victories have also come during times of strong Republican presence in the Delaware, in the form of both a Republican Senator (William Roth) and Republican Governors (du Pont, Castle and Wolf). Rep. Mike Castle consistently wins statewide, earning 57 percent in the last election. The Delaware State House has split leadership, with Democrats controlling the Senate and Republicans controlling the House.

These are the facts.
 
Wishing you all a happy and thoughtful New Year.  Larry

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Edwards is such a good, decent man,  He is intelligent and makes so much sense if people will just listen to him.  I went from Clinton to Obama and now to Edwards and i am glad i came to my senses.  He will be respected throughout the world for his calm and rational approach.
You got that right SoCal!  Also, 2004 Senate race exit polls in NC indicated Edwards would have won reelection to his seat, so Biden doesn't know what he's talking about.  No need for him to do this, unless he wants a Cabinet position if (big if) Clinton or O win.
I agree with SoCal for Edwards.. I live in Tennessee and in 2004 that was the consensus, southern Democrats are differ in some ways than northern Democrats..
Biden needs to pull votes, he is unlikely to pull them from Hillary, so the next most likely is Edwards.  No question Biden and Dodd are the most experienced in regards to the economy and world affairs its too bad we judge by the press and pocketbook.
I agree with Mark in Atlanta.  Biden's move must be strategic.  Behind the scenes he has said he won't work under Hillary as Sec. of State.  This is a move to tell his caucus goers to move to Obama rather than Edwards in hopes of getting to be Sec of State in Obama's administration.
One can still admire and vote for a candidate that he or she knows that is not viable to win nomination.  There is no way in the world for Edward to win the nomination as a Democratic candidate.  For instance, Joe Biden is friends with John Kerry and knew everything that went into choosing John Edwards as his VP.  John Edwards lobbied for it and when he got it, he started using that opportunity as springboard for building his own political machine for future presidential run instead of how to help Kerry get elected.  John Edwards could not engage Dick Cheney to avoid coming off as attack dog that will ruin his gentleman’s image.  But this time around, John Edwards is a different man altogether because of political calculations.  John Edwards can argue that he and his campaign do not know anything about the 527 led by his former campaign manager but only a fool will believe him.  
Biden:  Just one more gun banner in the Democrat pile.
We are electing a War-time president. If our nation were not enveloped in war on different fronts the candidates to choose from would be as many as their scope. Yet, sadly, this IS war-time. Americans MUST elect someone who can hit the ground running and running fast and hard, able to meet DC head on, someone who knows how to get things done in DC, able to cross party lines. We MUST elect a president who is Experienced in foreign relations, who KNOWS who he/she will be dealing with, from their own history in international politics. Who has proven to be a faithful servant, with AMERICANS' best interest in mind, NOT their power-mongering. Face it, no one campaigns for president for the money, whether they accept it or not.

As an Independent voter I must look seriously at Joseph Biden and John McCain at this 'juncture' (haven't heard that word for awhile), in U.S. history.
Why is Biden browbeating Edwards? Is their some underlying reasoning? Does he have something to lose?  Voters VOTE with conviction! VOTE with integrity!  And when it comes to voting in 2008 for presidency in that booth VOTE "with your conscience" and not someone else's! Our country is in a debacle surrounded by many issues. Many things happened the last election thanks to preachers,teachers,signs and mudslinging lines, etc... Respect yourself to/with an honest priviledge to VOTE for the strongest candidate that will serve the position respectfully as president.
Garret,
You say that Edwards has been surging because their has been no negative press about him. I beg to differ. There has been hardly any press either positive nor negative about him at all. The mainstream press has concentrated on Clinton and Obama for the past several months. They have virtually ignored all of the other dem candidates. As for Biden's memo. Hogwash. To say that their is very little evidence that Edwards is the most electable is a downright lie. Almost every poll from the last several months says that Edwards is the only candidate on the dem side that can beat ALL of the repubs. He is also the only candidate that has won in a red state. Please do research Biden camp.
Hillary and Barach(Who has accomplished a lot in a short time as a Senator)will hopefully be running against each other. Regardless of the nomination, I hope they run as a ticket. Only the strong survive!  That would be a pretyy strong ticket! "Oh say can you see....."
Even if Biden does well in Iowa, he has made it clear that he is not interested in running for VP on a Clinton-Biden ticket. Obama? Possibly. I believe that Biden has a genuine concern for electability of the person chosen to be the democratic candidate. I do not feel that this memo is unwarranted. Edwards seems to be a "good guy," but did we not see this "good guy" lose on another ticket in 2004? Biden is our best bet-hopefully others will agree in the weeks to come.
Biden may be hedging his bets. If he can help Obama's campaign even slightly (the margin of victory in Iowa may be very small), he may put himself in a good position to be VP on an Obama ticket. Most candidates want the VP candidate to do their dirty work, and he is showing a willingness to do this. This pairing (Obama and Biden) would make alot of sense--his addition would counterbalance Obama's biggest perceived shortcoming: his limited experience in politics.
Edwards was doing bad even before his match up with Kerry. So, it had not that much to do with Kerry being from the North. Truthfully, I'm a southern myself and see Edwards as week in 2004 and still now.
How can this man win an election if he could not carry his own state?
It takes more than just being white & having a southern accent to win in th south. Were a very fickle group of people.
Edwards is a joke, he couldnt even carry his own home town.  Hell, even Sadaam carried Tikrit!
We democrats got so involved in the Clinton-Obama cat fight that we never gave serious consideration to any other candidate. (Edwards his standing is mostly due to his being on the ticket last time.) We will come to regret in November that, once again, we missed a golden opportunity to win the Presidency. Eight years ago it was the stubbornness of Gore to exclude Clinton from his campaign. Four years ago we nominated a guy who allowed himself to be "swiftboated" and never fought back. This time we are likely to get stuck with Clinton or even Obama and leave a sure thing like Biden sitting on the sidelines. Than we bitch when a creep like Rudy is sworn in on 1-20-09.
well it looks like Edwards is actually succeeding ! why? cuz now the republicans are beginning to attack him...a sure sign he is surging!!....and a little facts please....the main reason his home states didn't vote well for Edwards was because they were not allowed to run ads in those states. GO EDWARDS!!! Keep em scared!!
I see a lot of front runners in both parties, none of whom is carrying a message worthy of the post of leader of the free world.Since when haven't we been the voice of opportuniity, decency and free enterprise? The one clear voice in a world somehow confused by it all? We have always converted our enemies over time, it seems now, that perhaps the enemy is within and I think the enemy is fear.We are a people and a land, revered in principle by all the world.Pundits, punks, zealots and warmongers are welcome here to challenge and reinforce our values as a people, but whom shall we find that can inspire and lead us as a people? I'm not seeing it. Are you, really? Dennis, Iowa
Here's my question for WASHINGTON ESTABLISHMENT AND THEREFORE RESISTANT TO CHANGE, Joe Biden.

Why didn't you send out memos ripping Clinton and Obama's CLAIMS that they are the most electable?

Notice how when MOST POLLS SHOWED EDWARDS RISING IN IOWA, all of a sudden Joe Biden decides to "rip" John Edwards.

Whose dirty work is Joe Biden doing?  Hillary Clinton's?  Barack Obama?

He's never attacked THEIR charges of electability, even though both have never won ANYTHING against any real competition.  

Barack Obama won a Senate seat in blue-state Illinois AGAINST ALAN KEYES for crying out loud, while Keyes was a citizen of MARYLAND.  On top of that, Keyes entered the race when it was almost over with!

Hillary Clinton won two Senate seats in the bluest of the blue, New York, against two NO NAME CANDIDATES.  Who did she run against?  Very few people even know, and no one cares, because they were NOBODIES!

John Edwards won a seat against an INCUMBENT Republican in NC, a state that normally sends Republicans to federal offices.  A republican who threw every so-called "trial lawyer" attack that he could think up at John Edwards, and a Republican who was backed by the Jesse Helms political machine, in a state where Helms had been Senator for DECADES.

Edwards has been tested.  Clinton and Obama have never won SQUAT against real competition.  

As far as "now" goes, scroll up the page and look at my previous comment.  Edwards defeats all Republicans in NC, defeats all Republicans in IOWA, and defeats almost all of them in Oklahoma.  Clinton and Obama do not.

Joe Biden is CLUELESS.
The reason and everyone in the US knows it is that Kerry was not electable and Edwards was just the VP in that race.  I believe Edwards is the only electable person running as do many I have spoken to in the Northern States. I always voted Republican but now am ready to change for Edwards and his mandate.
Yes! to Dot from Illinois.  Biden, the most experienced and knowledgeable candidate by far, has been snubbed by the starry eyed media-celebs in an orgy of mutual self love with the frontrunners.

swimmer
Biden is surging in Iowa.  He is drawing much bigger crowds all of a sudden.  I think people are starting to wake up to what their choices really are.  Electability is one of Biden's best arguments, along with being the only guy in the class with three decades of thinking about how to position his country in the world to its best advantage.

He is far more red-state electable than Clinton, Edwards or Obama. Clinton might not carry some key purple states in the Midwest.  Repubs and a lot of Dem men will not vote for her.
Susan, Floyd County, IA (Sent Monday, December 31, 2007 7:54 PM)

I second that, Susan.  Even MSNBC has FINALLY noted that Biden (along with Richardson) is drawing much bigger crowds lately.  

I think the closer we get to caucus, the more serious people are getting about this decision, and when they really think about who the best candidate is overall, it's hard to deny that Biden is the man.  It takes more than inspirational speeches to run a nation.  It takes more than harsh rhetoric to run a nation.  It takes more than Bill Clinton in your back pocket to run a nation.

It takes experience, here and abroad.  It takes wisdom.  It takes hard work.  It takes a steady hand.

Biden is the one who embodies all of these things in a way that the other candidates don't.  And Iowans are starting to realize this in ever-increasing numbers.
This is the real Biden - a pompous arrogant ass that loves the sound of his own voice.
Biden will be lucky to get 4th in Iowa. Same for NH. By next week, he'll be an also ran for the 2008 election. It is really time for him to retire from politics. His time has past.
Obama is the 2008 Howard Dean and Edwards is the Gephardt.
Biden is in it to win it. This ain't beanbag, folks. He has my vote.
I rarely hear Biden or his staff criticize anyone.  If Joe does do it, it means a whole lot more than all the sniping going back and forth between other camps.  There are lots of people who don't care for Clinton or Obama and might think Edwards was acceptable.  That was me until I found Biden.  I think a lot of people who are not firm for Edwards could be convinced to vote for Biden.  Plus, Biden is the only one of them who can beat a Republican easily.
To everyone that dissagreed with my earlier post, I'll stand by what I said. Edwards wins Iowa, he goes on to win the nomination.
And by the way, the fact that he can't carry his own state, you may want to look at this article http://www.news-record.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080102/NRSTAFF/222921738.
John Edwards is the best canditate for the Democratic party. He is honest, and does not owe the Washington establishment ONE THING.....Lets give him a VOTE IOWA...help put a real man in......


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