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The battle for Iowa

Posted: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 9:25 AM by Domenico Montanaro

The day after the Des Moines Register poll came out, there's been a ton of reverb on exactly what the numbers mean. The Washington Post looks at Obama's strength among indies in the survey. And here's a good reminder from four years ago: "Only a small portion of Iowa’s approximately 600,000 registered Democrats have historically shown up on caucus night. Four years ago, about 125,000 voters participated in Iowa's Democratic caucuses; 19 percent called themselves independents. But from the outset of this campaign, Obama's campaign has targeted independents as intensively as it has registered Democrats, bombarding them with phone calls, direct-mail pieces and personal visits."

Des Moines Register does a story on how all of the campaigns are expressing doubt over the turnout model in the poll. “Democratic pollsters and strategists agree that more independent voters nationally have supported Democrats than Republicans in the past two years. Likewise, they are seeing rising numbers of Iowa's unaffiliated voters show up as supporters of Democratic candidates for Thursday's caucuses. ‘I'm sure it will be higher, but that just seems impossible,’ Celinda Lake, a Democratic pollster working for Delaware Sen. Joe Biden's campaign, said about the Register poll's independent figure. ‘That would be a revolution.’”

The New York Times recaps yesterday’s happenings in Iowa, including Romney vs. Huckabee, reactions to the Des Moines Register poll, Kucinich urging his supporters to back Obama if the congressman doesn’t make threshold, Edwards’ 36-hour marathon, and Huck’s upcoming appearance on Leno. 

We're guessing many of you have noticed a certain red-haired New York Times columnist on the trail. Well, here's her first Iowa column. "Has Hillary truly changed, and grown from her mistakes? Has she learned to be less stubborn and imperious and secretive and vindictive and entitled? Or has she merely learned to mask her off-putting and self-sabotaging qualities better? If elected, would the old Hillary pop up, dragging us back to the dysfunctional Clinton kingdom?”

More from MoDo: "Oddly, Barack and Michelle Obama also radiate a sense that they are owed. Not for a lifetime of sublimation and humiliation, but for this onerous campaign, for offering themselves up to save and uplift the nation, even though it disrupted their comfortable lives… So it comes down to this: Will Queen Hillary reign? Will Prince Barack deign? And who is owed more?"

The Register calls Kucinich’s second-choice backing of Obama “a symbolic gesture.” “In 2004, Kucinich ran for president and waged a more aggressive Iowa campaign. In that campaign, the Ohio congressman made a deal with supporters of John Edwards that whichever candidate did not meet the 15-percent viability threshold in an individual caucus would throw his support to the other.”

The New York Times front-pages how some Iowans are actually excluded from the caucus process. “Because the caucuses, held in the early evening, do not allow absentee voting, they tend to leave out nearly entire categories of voters: the infirm, soldiers on active duty, medical personnel who cannot leave their patients, parents who do not have baby sitters, restaurant employees on the dinner shift, and many others who work in retail, at gas stations and in other jobs that require evening duty.”

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While Scarborogh and co., are trying hard to get Hillary the win and to diminish Obama, they obviously did not read something The Fix wrote the other day:  Obama has defied the conventional wisdom several times before...

Another thing is that I see no one on Morning Joe paid much attention to what Russert told them as well:  There are indeed many independents and crossover republicans at Obama's events and are saying they are definitely caucusing.

While I feel you can toss a coin and have as much luck in calling this race, it is not by any means Hillary's.  I hear she is not going that well in Iowa.
HILLARY ' PEOPLE PROBABLY WONT SHOW, THEY WILL BE TWO BUSY TRADING FOOD STAMPS FOR DRUGS AND BOOZE, OR LOOKING FOR BILL HOPING HE WILL MOLEST THEM WITH A CIGAR.  WHAT IM SAYING IF YOU READ CLINTONS SCANDALS.COM  AND NO HILLARY.COM, DECENT PEOPLE WOULD NOT VOTE FOR THESE PERVERTS. BILL TOLD HIS LOVER FOR 12 YEARS THAT HILLARY HAS HAD MORE WOMEN THAN HIM. WHAT WOULD WE HEAR IF SHE WAS ELECTED; I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT WOMAN; SOUND FAMILIAR.
"Celinda Lake, a Democratic pollster working for Delaware Sen. Joe Biden's campaign, said about the Register poll's independent figure. ‘That would be a revolution.’”

Exactly. We the people are waking up!

Obama '08!
Wouldn't it be extraordinary if Independents did show up in the numbers the Register is predicting?  

Perhaps it would signal a new beginning for our twisted politics.  Perhaps it would send a signal that we're all sick of politics as usual. Perhaps America could believe again.

We all remember the old saw about insanity:  doing the same thing and expecting different results.  You can't change usual with the same old approaches.  And change isn't going back to the "good old days" of the 90s (which by the way were good because of the Internet boom, not because of a President or Congress).
 
Michelle's point of view makes perfect sense to me.  The time is now for Obama, because Bush has united the country, in disgust for his administration. Obama's vision and style of leadership are the best hope for a working majority that can break the gridlock. He makes up for his limited DC experience with integrity and judgement. He is most able to restore our standing in the world and lead foreign policy in a new, less hawkish direction.
After years of Bush, preceded by Clinton and that whole impeachment mess, a revolution sounds alright.

Another indicator one is happening - Ron Paul basically running a Libertarian Party style campaign is breaking GOP fundraising records. And he's kept his old LP talking points, like returning to the gold standard. Something is up. People are looking for something different.
David Anders Pharr ,Tx

...and I heard you were lovers with Sen. Larry Craig.
So what?  Talk is cheap and people can say whatever they want to trash someone else, that doesn't make it true does it?  Sites like those are there for gullible people like you to feed your hate!
Hillary is not trustworty.  Veterans won't vote for Hillary.  Most of middle America won't vote for Hillary.  

Democrats are idiots if they nominate Hillary.  I'm leaving this country if the Democrats pick Hillary.  

I would however vote for Barack Obama.
and the average american should care about Maureen Dowd's opinion why?......
You would think that people in Iowa would have been punished enough by the last year of campaigning.....

I hope IF Hillary does lose and still ends up in the White House that she doesn't take revenge on the people of Iowa by raising their taxes.  Remember, she has to do this all over again in four years.....


“Because the caucuses, held in the early evening, do not allow absentee voting, they tend to leave out nearly entire categories of voters: the infirm, soldiers on active duty, medical personnel who cannot leave their patients, parents who do not have baby sitters, restaurant employees on the dinner shift, and many others who work in retail, at gas stations and in other jobs that require evening duty.”

You would think the candidates would have buses going around the town looking for people and trying to convince managers to shut down their business's for an hour or two and run them to the polling places......
Mitt Romney Flip Flopping on Abortion watch this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFMdK0TWtks&feature=related

Do you really want a scum bag like this.
A photograph of GOP presidential contender Mitt Romney at a 1994 Planned Parenthood fund-raiser has surfaced, once again raising questions about the former Bay State’s governor’s abortion flip-flopping.

The picture, a copy of which was obtained by the Herald, shows Romney and his wife Ann at a house party fund-raiser in Scituate with Nicki Nichols Gamble, who was the president of the Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts at the time. Romney has already downplayed ties to Planned Parenthood after revelations that Ann Romney donated $150 to the group.

Gamble said the pic was snapped at an event at GOP activist Eleanor Bleakie’s house and that she “clearly” remembered speaking with Romney at the event. At the time, Romney was running as a pro-choice Republican against U.S. Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.).

“My recollection is that we talked about his senate candidacy and the fact that he was supporting Roe v. Wade and a choice agenda at the time,” Gamble told the Herald. “It was a Planned Parenthood event. We were there to discuss our programs and our advocacy.”

The event was held the same day Ann Romney wrote a check to the pro-choice group. Romney has previously said he had “no recollection” of his wife writing the check to Planned Parenthood.

Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom called the flap “a dog bites man story.”

“Governor Romney used to have a different position on abortion,” Fehrnstrom said. “He is now firmly pro-life and has made it clear that as President he will advocate for a culture that welcomes life and protects the sanctity of life. This is the same path that Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush followed.”

Because of his abortion shift, Romney has been branded a flip-flopper by his GOP primary opponents, as well Democrats. Romney has stated he became pro-life in 2004 during the stem cell debate in Massachusetts.

Beyond attending the event, Romney filled out a 2002 questionnaire for the Planned Parenthood Advocacy Fund in which he said he supported Roe v. Wade, sex education in schools and increased access to emergency contraception.

“With Mitt Romney, this has been more than a flip-flop. This has been an extreme makeover,” said Planned Parenthood spokesman Angus McQuilken. “What voters need to know about Mitt Romney is this: where he stands on any issue is always a moving target.”

Romney reacts to photo:
+ Romney dismisses photo suggesting he attended Planned Parenthood event
dwedge@bostonherald.com
Mitt Romney Flip Flopping on Abortion watch this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFMdK0TWtks&feature=related

Do you really want a scum bag like this.
A photograph of GOP presidential contender Mitt Romney at a 1994 Planned Parenthood fund-raiser has surfaced, once again raising questions about the former Bay State’s governor’s abortion flip-flopping.

The picture, a copy of which was obtained by the Herald, shows Romney and his wife Ann at a house party fund-raiser in Scituate with Nicki Nichols Gamble, who was the president of the Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts at the time. Romney has already downplayed ties to Planned Parenthood after revelations that Ann Romney donated $150 to the group.

Gamble said the pic was snapped at an event at GOP activist Eleanor Bleakie’s house and that she “clearly” remembered speaking with Romney at the event. At the time, Romney was running as a pro-choice Republican against U.S. Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.).

“My recollection is that we talked about his senate candidacy and the fact that he was supporting Roe v. Wade and a choice agenda at the time,” Gamble told the Herald. “It was a Planned Parenthood event. We were there to discuss our programs and our advocacy.”

The event was held the same day Ann Romney wrote a check to the pro-choice group. Romney has previously said he had “no recollection” of his wife writing the check to Planned Parenthood.

Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom called the flap “a dog bites man story.”

“Governor Romney used to have a different position on abortion,” Fehrnstrom said. “He is now firmly pro-life and has made it clear that as President he will advocate for a culture that welcomes life and protects the sanctity of life. This is the same path that Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush followed.”

Because of his abortion shift, Romney has been branded a flip-flopper by his GOP primary opponents, as well Democrats. Romney has stated he became pro-life in 2004 during the stem cell debate in Massachusetts.

Beyond attending the event, Romney filled out a 2002 questionnaire for the Planned Parenthood Advocacy Fund in which he said he supported Roe v. Wade, sex education in schools and increased access to emergency contraception.

“With Mitt Romney, this has been more than a flip-flop. This has been an extreme makeover,” said Planned Parenthood spokesman Angus McQuilken. “What voters need to know about Mitt Romney is this: where he stands on any issue is always a moving target.”

Romney reacts to photo:
+ Romney dismisses photo suggesting he attended Planned Parenthood event
dwedge@bostonherald.com
HILLARY ' PEOPLE PROBABLY WONT SHOW, THEY WILL BE TWO BUSY TRADING FOOD STAMPS FOR DRUGS AND BOOZE, OR LOOKING FOR BILL HOPING HE WILL MOLEST THEM WITH A CIGAR.  WHAT IM SAYING IF YOU READ CLINTONS SCANDALS.COM  AND NO HILLARY.COM, DECENT PEOPLE WOULD NOT VOTE FOR THESE PERVERTS. BILL TOLD HIS LOVER FOR 12 YEARS THAT HILLARY HAS HAD MORE WOMEN THAN HIM. WHAT WOULD WE HEAR IF SHE WAS ELECTED; I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT WOMAN; SOUND FAMILIAR.

David Anders Pharr ,Tx. (Sent Wednesday, January 02, 2008 9:39 AM)


What is a moderator for, if not to filter out nuts like this? Is there something in the water in Texas?


Van
Mitt Romney Flip Flopping he did not support Ronald Reagan Please read article.

Mitt Romney loves to invoke Ronald Reagan’s name on the campaign trail, virtually every chance he gets.   However it appears to be just another example of how Mitt will flip-flop and say anything to get elected.  Here’s the details:

In Myrtle Beach, at the end of a long campaign day last week, he was more emphatic than ever about the Great Communicator as a crowd of about 200 listened.

“I take inspiration from the strength Ronald Reagan talked about,” Romney said. “It was his view that the right way to overcome challenges was for the country to strengthen itself.”

Yet Romney wasn’t always such a Reagan fan.

In 1994, when he ran for the U.S. Senate in Massachusetts, he said, “I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I’m not trying to return to Reagan-Bush.”

Romney spent years in the state registered as “unenrolled,” or unaffiliated with a political party, and in 1992 he voted for former Sen. Paul Tsongas, a liberal Democrat, in the Massachusetts Democratic presidential primary.

Romney was considered a moderate in those days, losing the Senate race in 1994 and winning the governorship in 2002. He voiced support for abortion rights, allowing gays to serve openly in the military and other positions that led activists to think he was a centrist.

Romney declined repeated requests to talk about his links to Reagan. Campaign spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom said that Romney’s 1994 “independent” quote is out of context, that the vote for Tsongas was a vote against Bill Clinton and that not enrolling in either major party was common in Massachusetts.

Critics, however, charge that Romney’s enthusiastic embrace of Reagan is another expedient Romney lunge to the right.

“He didn’t support Ronald Reagan,” said Mark Salter, a senior adviser to Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., one of Romney’s rivals. Romney’s promise to carry on Reagan’s legacy is more evidence of “Mitt Romney’s bizarro world,” Salter said.

“This guy didn’t even support Ronald Reagan,” former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said disdainfully on an MSNBC show last month.

It has been a pleasant two days without hearing from that BIGOT from Pharr Texas. I was hoping his mommy had taken his computer away from him
What is a moderator for, if not to filter out nuts like this? Is there something in the water in Texas?


Van

We wonder that as well with your Pro-Hillary polls Van.
As much as I'd love to see Obama in the White House, it really doesn't matter at this point.  There's been some bad presidencies in the past, but Bush takes the cake.  Really, how could things possibly get any worse.  We're at war with pratically everyone, the economy is in the tank, and you can't get on a plane without forfeiting your Bill of Rights.  Benjamin Franklin once said: "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither freedom nor security."  What happened to that spirit?  And the fact that Bush somehow got re-elected really speaks to the intelligence of the "red" states (of whom I'm a shameful resident).
did edwards drop out of iowa? hey first read your despise of edwards is showing again
VAN   THE TRUTH HURTS   IM FROM ARKANSAS AND I KNOW ABOUT CLINTON, HE COULDNT EVEN CARRY HIS STATE THE SECOND TIME.  GO TO THE SITES AND SHUT UP YOU LOSER.
MSNBC has a way of twisting a very sincere person into a you owe me type !!
Sen. Barack Obama wants to be apart of the healing process of Bush's neglect during his reign as King George.
If this country was a child King George would be in prison for severe neglect.
I am proud Sen. Obama is running for President, finally someone who cares !!!
There is something in the water in texass that makes them all ignorant racist rightwingnutjobs...every president from there has started wars they weren't man enough to finish on their watch...
ST AMADOR IF YOU ARE A SAINT I MARCHED WITH BRIGHAM YOUNG LIKE ROMMNEY'S DAD WITH MARTIN LUTHER KING.  YOU GAYS AND ATHESIST, AND MILITARY HATERS ARE THROUGH. WE 'RE NOT TAKING YOUR CRAP ANY LONGER.  THE PEOPLE OF IOWA WILL SHOW YOU   SAY A PRAYER FOR THESE CREEPS HUCK.
I've seen nuttier things posted, Van.

David Anders Pharr may be off base with the drugs and booze thing, but the other aspects he mentioned aren't completely out of left field. Bill did use a cigar as a sex toy. Gennifer Flowers did write in her autobiography that Bill told her Hillary was a lesbian. And Bill did say that famous "I did not have sex" lie.

Is that worse than people posting about Obama's teenage drug use? But for some reason you don't seem so offended by that.

Actually the messages I don't like the most are the ones from the knucklehead who feels compelled to come on every message board, blatantly using a mulitude of false names, just to repost the Clinton campaign website address.

Talk about a waste of space. And it strikes me as a little dumb, too, because it just creates an "ugh" feeling among people who obviously are politically interested enough to find First Read. Odds are pretty good the people here can also find a campaign website without help.
I'm digging to find that Gil Scott-Heron album. I think the Revolution WILL be televised.
NOTHING IN THE WATER HERE VANREUTER, ITS THE DRUGS IN THE CLINTONS, GO TO CLINTON SCANDALS AND SEE HIS DOCUMENTED USE OF COCAINE FOR 8 YEARS, AND YOU DUMB YANKESS WELCOME THEM TO YOUR STATE AND ELECT HER A SENATOR  HOW EMBARRASING  THANKGOD YOU HAVE THEM
If independents show up at the Democratic caucuses in even half the numbers expected it's going to be a very good year for the Dems.
Look at the MSNBC poll http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21116732
it's OBVIOUS that people are looking for a change, and Ron Paul has the right message. It sells itself to anyone who actually listens or reads his work. Don't be like SOME Senators who vote on bills without reading them. The poll mentioned above has great links to issues from all the candidates.
Barack Obama is about to win Iowa !

Good for you Iowa !

Good for America !
 I am amazed after reading about how many people are excluded from the caucus process in Iowa. (No absentee ballots, you can not vote if you work second shift, if you can’t get a baby sitter you’re out of luck AMAZING).  It shows just what a sham the Iowa Caucasus and the entire presidential primary system is in this country.  The dysfunctional Congress should get its act together once and for all and start to reform this flawed system of caucuses and primaries.  It's a national election and we should have one national primary system.

It seems that our states do their best to exclude people from voting rather than encourage participation. It is time to take it out of the states hands because they have shown they are incapable of changing the system.  They either all want to be first or they are SO dysfunctional like the Pennsylvania State Legislature they can’t even vote to move their primary.  I wonder how many voters will bother to vote.  My point again is we need to encourage the maximum participation, not practice the state policies of exclusion.
David Anders Pharr ,Tx.-There is nothing in the water. Ya'all just have to stop going to family reunions to meet women. Edwards in '08
PulSamsara - I'll believe it when it happens. Until then, any predictions of who is going to win are just as useful as the polling; little more than background noise.

In fact, if you want to think deviously, could the DMR, a paper backing Clinton, put out fudged numbers just to push up expectations for Obama? Not saying that happened, but if this message board is any indicator, the expectations have been raised.

Anyway, my prediction is we'll know more the day after tomorrow.
David Anders  Pharr, TX

So expound on your military service.
MSNBC has a way of twisting a very sincere person into a you owe me type !!
KEN COLLINS/WAGONER,OKLAHOMA (Sent Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:41 AM)

Um, the piece was from the New York Times.  Not MSNBC.  If you want to blame a media outlet, blame them, not MSNBC for reporting what the op-ed said.
David Anders Pharr ,Tx. (Sent Wednesday, January 02, 2008 11:05 AM)

"HOW EMBARRASING"

Indeed...


Van


For those of you who support Biden, here's another bit of encouragement.

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Bob Dylan's guide to Iowa
"Something is happening here, but you don't know what it is. Do you, Mr. Jones?"
by Walter Shapiro
SALON.COM

Jan. 02, 2008. Anyone who claims to know the results of Thursday night's Iowa caucuses has proven by the audacity of the boast to be a fraud. Caucuses have always been difficult to poll at any time -- and many pollsters question whether it is possible to find a valid sample between Christmas and New Year's. Even for political veterans, there are too many puzzling events. The mood of the press pack in Iowa might be summarized by the Bob Dylan lyric: "Something is happening here, but you don't know what it is. Do you, Mr. Jones?"

At noon on New Year's Day -- when the two dominant themes in human existence are hangovers and football -- Joe Biden attracted more than 500 Democrats to a restaurant rally in Des Moines. He then spoke to another packed room (150 people) in Indianola. Making his final plea in Indianola, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, declared, "On caucus night, if you stand up for Joe Biden, you'll be surprised by how many people stand up with you."

David Wilhelm -- Bill Clinton's first chairman of the Democratic National Committee -- has been accompanying Biden on his long-shot quest. After the Indianola speech, Wilhelm shook his head in wonder and said, "These are not the crowds of a guy at 4 percent in the polls. What am I missing? You can feel it and see it when a campaign is dying. And this one feels alive."

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The polls don't tell the full story of what is really happening on the ground in Iowa...nor does the MSM.
At noon on New Year's Day -- when the two dominant themes in human existence are hangovers and football -- Joe Biden attracted more than 500 Democrats to a restaurant rally in Des Moines.

I'll give Biden his due......
Must have been some good church people who went to bed at 9 P M the previous night....
I've seen nuttier things posted, Van.

David Anders Pharr may be off base with the drugs and booze thing, but the other aspects he mentioned aren't completely out of left field. Bill did use a cigar as a sex toy. Gennifer Flowers did write in her autobiography that Bill told her Hillary was a lesbian. And Bill did say that famous "I did not have sex" lie.
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Bill is not running for office.
You are now a member of the jerry and david TX cowdung group.(not a rock group)  So embarrassing Paul Miler, you have crushed my respect for you.
Is that worse than people posting about Obama's teenage drug use? But for some reason you don't seem so offended by that.

Actually the messages I don't like the most are the ones from the knucklehead  Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA (Sent Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:45 AM)
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I am always offended by Obama's drug use.  I can not simply excuse him because he was young and inexperienced.
Everyone should be offended by drug use.

I am always offended by Obama's drug use.  I can not simply excuse him because he was young and inexperienced.
Everyone should be offended by drug use.

HP Boston (Sent Wednesday, January 02, 2008 2:31 PM)


I am also offended by the way people will use any way possible to get money out of people, use whatever power they have to crush the little people, and never leave a decent tip to a hard working waitress.

Hillary Clinton should be ashamed of herself...
Ah, HP, say it isn't so. I've lost your respect? I might lose sleep tonight (only if a late bowl game is on).

And HP, the broader point is all that stuff you happen to feel is so unworthy of bringing up would be brought up, again and again, if Democrats were to nominate Clinton. I don't like David's post, but consider him the canary in the mineshaft. And there is a new lesbian rumor that's been out there for a couple years now. I live near D.C. and in this area its thrown around almost like a truism. I have no idea whether it is true, but supposedly the woman lives with Clinton at the Washington address. The Washington Post has even run pictures of the girl - one of her Senate aides. The problem for Republicans is that the girl is so attractive, bringing it up on the campaign trail might backfire, lol. I mean, she's really attractive.
And there is a new lesbian rumor that's been out there for a couple years now. I live near D.C. and in this area its thrown around almost like a truism. I have no idea whether it is true, but supposedly the woman lives with Clinton at the Washington address. Washington Post has even run pictures of the girl - one of her Senate aides. The problem for Republicans is that the girl is so attractive, bringing it up on the campaign trail might backfire, lol. I mean, she's really attractive.
Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA (Sent Wednesday, January 02, 2008 6:41 PM)
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WELL did you hear they do drugs together and play pin the tail on the penis, they use a an ass-ult rifle for that.  Neighbors are afraid to complain about the noise.

There my story is so much better and cruder than yours!! Oh wait I just read, I think it was a newspaper oh can not be sure...They said the girl is your daughter.  Gossip is just a tragedy, so sorry Paul.
And there is a new lesbian rumor that's been out there for a couple years now. I live near D.C. and in this area its thrown around almost like a truism. I have no idea whether it is true, but supposedly the woman lives with Clinton at the Washington address. Washington Post has even run pictures of the girl - one of her Senate aides. The problem for Republicans is that the girl is so attractive, bringing it up on the campaign trail might backfire, lol. I mean, she's really attractive.
Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA (Sent Wednesday, January 02, 2008 6:41 PM)
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WELL did you hear they do drugs together and play pin the tail on the penis, they use a an ass-ult rifle for that.  Neighbors are afraid to complain about the noise.

There my story is so much better and cruder than yours!! Oh wait I just read, I think it was a newspaper oh can not be sure...They said the girl is your daughter.  Gossip is just a tragedy, so sorry Paul.


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