Mormons are a Cult!

Mormons belive that when Christ died on the cross that it was not enough. And that you had to have Blood Atonement, I belive this comes from the Pitt of Hell!

Brigham Young Blood Atonement Sermon:
Journal of Discourses
Vol. 4, p. 215-221



and suppose that he is overtaken in a gross fault, that he has committed a sin that he knows will deprive him of that exaltation which he desires, and that he cannot attain to it without the shedding of his blood, and also knows that by having his blood shed he will atone for that sin, and be saved and exalted with the Gods, is there a man or woman in this house but what would say, "shed my blood that I may be saved and exalted with the Gods?"

Why I cannot support mitt romney

Mitt Romney Flip Flopping!
This guy will do anything for a vote....

Last week, Bay Windows, a Boston gay newspaper, reprinted excerpts from a letter Romney wrote to the Log Cabin Republicans in 1994, hoping to gain the group’s support in his campaign against the veteran Democratic lawmaker and Massachusetts institution.

“If we are to achieve the goals we share, we must make equality for gays and lesbians a mainstream concern,” Romney wrote. “My opponent cannot do this. I can and will.”

Romney lost that race by a wide margin, but came closer to defeating Kennedy than had any previous challenger in recent memory. Romney’s support for the gay community did not end with his loss, however, as his political aspirations dictated otherwise. At the Boston Gay Pride Parade in 2002, when he ran for governor, he and his running mate Kerry Healey distributed pink fliers stating, “Mitt and Kerry wish you a great Pride weekend.”

You know Edna, I am sure you have never changed a position you have held ever in your life. It must be great to be that "perfect". I would suggest you get over the past and embrace the future. Mitt Romney is likely to be the future leader of this country. I don't look at his policies or ideas as perfect but for their content and possibility. I believe him to be an honest concerned leader who wants to make a positive difference in this world. I for one respect that he had the courage to change his mind about abortion, etc. I simply don't see any other person running that has his potential. Go Mitt!!!

I agree with Romney... The 30-YEAR-OLD ways of John McCain won't defeat Obama next fall.

Romney's new approach - and his overwhelming business savvy will put him over the top.

I'd LOVE to see Romney go one-on-one with Obama or Hillary.

McCain must have really seen a back lash with his overt personal attacks on Romney.  Good, it give Romney a chance to actually tell you what he will do in Washington.  

McCain would make a good secretary of defense but he is no president.   Mitt is right, Obama will eat McCain alive in a presidential run.  Mitt is the only man that can beet him.  

Based on last nights focus group - AND how I personally felt - Romney easily won the debate... so why isn't he EASILY going to win New Hampshire?

Let's hope he does... because the "Obama Express" is going to need someone BRILLIANT (uh, not so fast Huckabilly) to go toe to toe with him.

No, Edna has not changed positions but, has changed screen name about ten times now. You have one Anti-Mitt blogger who has to use multiple names to look like a movement. Sad really.

Mitt Romney is absolutely a better leader than John McCain.  McCain has had his shot, and has largely failed to be conservative.  He is still stinging from the loss to President Bush in 2000, which led him to pass a bunch of liberal leaning policies.  Can anyone say McCain-Feingold bill?  Incidentally, I find it ironic that McCain is now out of money.  Looks like the campaign finance reform platform worked, huh?  There are polls all over the place saying that McCain is the clear front runner if he wins New Hampshire.  That is faulty logic.  Romney came in Second in Iowa, First in Wyoming, and even if he loses in NH, he'll still be a close second there.  Say all you want about Mitt's money, but no other candidate can boast the same record.  Romney is right to push his position as a Washington outsider.  At a recent "Ask Mitt Anything" meeting in SC, he was introduced by a local civic leader who said, "Mitt Romney is the only candidate in the field who has signed both the front and the back of a paycheck."  He knows what it takes to succeed in both the public and private sectors.  This is clearly the man to put up against Barack Obama in November.

I'm happy to see John McCain acting like a gentleman the past two days - especially after exposing himself as a bully during Saturday nights debate.

I still see Romney as the brilliant candidate on economics - and all other things being equal, I think the nation will NEED that in the next few years.

McCain is War Time President.
Just give McCain the NUKES and we will finish the middle east.
McCain knows how to make war so he does not need diplomacy.   McCain for President a Rambo with nukes.

Obama needs to make his enexperience count as a plus++

Clinton, strength is saving our $$ as they did one time before.

McCain is always reacting to Romney

McCain is a war President and we need to go to Pakistan next.  Beat that WAR DRUM McCain.

I believe Romney has the moral fiber so lacking by all other candidates, to lead our country back to it's roots. If you want change, try integrity, honesty, moral clarity. Things so lacking in our nations capitol.

McCain's Free Pass On Flip-Flops:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/01/opinion/main3664351.shtml

A great article about how McCain changes his stand on policies but it's considered a "change of heart".  I'm glad Romney has pointed out the differences in other candidate's policies in a comparative manner. Romney definitely has my support.

Mormonism is not a cult what you wrote is false and I am sure I can pick apart your religion just as easily.  Actually let me start with Huckabee's religion.  When my friend's son died at 6 years old.  A neighbor baptist wrote my friend and told her that her son was going to burn in hell for not being baptized in a baptist church...  My bosses sister died and she was so upset because her sister was going to burn in hell because she never became baptist.  My other baptists friend believe that an exact preknown number of people will go to heaven, they are already predetermined and it doesn't matter what you do on earth to attain heaven or hell.  Shall we trample over other religions...

Mormonism is not a cult what you wrote is false and I am sure I can pick apart your religion just as easily.  Actually let me start with Huckabee's religion.  When my friend's son died at 6 years old.  A neighbor baptist wrote my friend and told her that her son was going to burn in hell for not being baptized in a baptist church...  My bosses sister died and she was so upset because her sister was going to burn in hell because she never became baptist.  My other baptists friend believe that an exact preknown number of people will go to heaven, they are already predetermined and it doesn't matter what you do on earth to attain heaven or hell.  Shall we trample over other religions...

When you're filling your car with $3 gas and buying some $2.65 a dozen eggs, remember who is running on stopping deficit spending. The war for oil is what caused prices for anything that eats grain to skyrocket. When THOSE prices rise, the fresh fruit seller raises his prices again, now you have some nice $5 a pound grapes in the market. Laugh all you want, it's YOUR money being spent. YOU'RE the one going to pay $250 a week for groceries. Still think Ron Paul sounds like a bad idea? He's the ONLY candidate, Republican or Democrat that is running on reducing your cost of living. Maybe you have plenty money. Me, I'm not so rich.

Changing your mind on some things is not flip-flopping
from age 16 to 55 I was all for abortion and womens choice...at age 55 I totaly changed my mind when my grandchild was aborted...hopefully we all get wiser as we get older.
Mitt Romney is the only candidate that can possibly salvage this country.

If we were in battle, and you were in a fox hold, who would you rather be with? Rommey or McCain. or who wouldn't leave you?
    Press 1 for Rommey
    Press 2 for McCain.  

Seriously, why permit the religous bigotry?

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I wonder sometimes why America is on the downhill slope?  Somehow we cannot elect the man who is needed for the times.  The man for the times is John S. McCain. I don't agree with him on everything, however, he is a man of impeccable moral fiber. When he was offered to go home after the North Vietnamese found out his father was an Admiral, McCain refused after being held captive for years. Put yourselves in those shoes, now tell me Slick Mitt is a better leader and I will tell you why we are on the downhill ride.

After watching the debates, I lost a lot of respect for McCain.  I agree - he is a war hero - but he doesn't have the leadership skills to run the nation.  I haven't decided if Romney or Giuliani will win my vote, but lately, I've been leaning heavily toward Romney.  

There was a refreshing break from all of the Mormon bashing for a while - it looks like it has returned.  To those who write posts like that - you are entitled to your view on a religion, but you come off as a bigot when you go on and on about how horrid another religion is to you.  And it's hard to take a bigot seriously.  Let the Mormons live their lives; why don't you focus your energies on living and enjoying your own faith, instead of tearing down that of another?  I bet you'll enjoy your time much better, and you won't have that sickening feeling in the pit of your stomach from spending so much time hating.

It's funny to see that all Mitt supporters on here are not even from Mass where Mitt was known to be a no show at practically every important meetings. You guys should read about his budget fiasco and how he depleted the this state's budget for his big corporate friends, allowing a little project to go 100% over budget. There is a reason why his former Lt Kerry Healy didn't win, why? because of Romney's bad record in illegal immigration as well as finace.

Mitt is the John Kerry of this election; the master Flip flopper. He will say anything to get elected but the thing is he works for big corporation. The guy is trying to buy this election. He is a phony. Read about all his bad records as the governor of Mass.

Integrity and Romney should be in two different world. McCain is an an old dog that you can't change. He is the worse of Washington. He will continue the same failures of Bush.

There really isn't any real candidates, they are all part of the same two headed monster...sheep mere sheep!     Romney is a younger version of Perot but with a few political ties because he has actually held an elected position, should have ran as an independent.  McCain isn't the war-monger you make him out to be but definitely does have the experience to handle those situations more so then the rest.  
As for the comments regarding the $3/gallon gas prices we're already there, the only reason you're paying less is because we subsidize the oil companies, we are only catching up the rest of the world in that area where gas is as high as $6-8/gallon...time to be realistic about what is actually happening.  While corporations are making historic figures the regular employees are not benefiting from the hard work, time to pay up.

Mormons are not a cult at all. I am 42 years old and I am a Mormon. I have grown up in the church. Did you know that Steve Young, Orin Hatch, Danny Ainge, Thurl Bailey, Mike Leavitt and many millions of other outstanding men and women are Mormon? Did you know that Mormons are The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the LDS Church) and that it is the fastest growing religion in the world? Did you know that we believe in serving our fellowman (to serve people of other faiths and also other LDS people) and that that is one of the main focuses of the Church? We are Christian. We are taught to love all people as Christ does. We do not believe in revenge. Did you know that we donate extremely large amounts of provisions to the suffering people around the world regardless of their religious affiliation? If you really want to know what a Mormon really is and what they believe in then go to the Church website and find out for yourself the truth. A person who isn't even Mormon is not an expert on what Mormons believe in.  Luke 6:43 reminds us, "For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."  We invite you to research the "fruit" or "good works" of the Church and know for yourself.

Eugene, I would gladly share a fox hole with either man.   I am guessing you are not a veteran or you would know that both served honorably. And in a fox hole politics don't mean squat. But for a commander in chief I would prefer one that does not have one foot in the grave.

Those that really knew Romney during the 2002 winter olympics changed the slogan from "Light the FIre Within" to "Fight the Liar Within" due to how they really perceived Mitt Romney to be.

Flip Flop, hollow appearences, pandering are the true characteristics of Mitt Romney.

McCain is a WAR MONGER - SCARY

He is a third generation soldier, well I luv our soldiers but I don't want to be one.

I'll take a President thats Momon at anytime.

McCain baffles me. He is proud of his war record but the fact is that 60,000 people lost thier lives in VietNam because they were asked to fight Communism. We are certainly in bed with the Communists now.He has done nothing as a government official to prevent this. How many, back then would have laid thier life on the line if they knew thier government would dishonor our brave soldiers by not only befriending the Communists, but giving them our jobs and future ?

Mitt says something to McCain during the New Hampshire debate that no one caught: On deportation of the 12 million illegal aliens, McCain said to Romney: "How are you going to tell a mexican family who was born here, that their grandmother will have to be deported?" And then Romney responded: Oh, so now you're getting emotional about it?"

That's indicative of Romney's shrudeness! He's a fiscal Brute! He will accomplish anything regardless of how it will affect others.

And then on Health Care Romney said: "For those who make 75 or $100,000 a year who choose not to buy health insurance, the government shouldn't have to pay when they get hurt." Talk about being out of touch with America!!! I don't know a single person who makes that much money who would be foolish enough not to buy health insurance!!! It was a very redundant point.

A vote for McCain is essentially a vote for Obama. Romney is the only guy who can take on the Dems. McCain was and is a fine person, but the old warhorse is not the man of the hour. Lets move on!

Romney is the leader of change and of the future.  Would you rather have someone who is experienced as a leader and a manager like Romney or one who is from Washington, who is 71 years old and out of touch with middle class America.

well i agree that the Mormons are not a cult. And i say this after being a southern baptist all my life and just recently converting to the LDS church after 47 years of being taught wrong. I do belive that Romney would give Obama the best run for the presidency and would be a great leader for our country.

Take many religious passage out of context and it is misleading. The passage that was quoted clearly states, "who wouldn't be willing to go through a blood atonement to enter into heaven." It was not uncommon for mormons of those days to be willing to give their life for their beliefs. That said, judge the man and the religion on the character and morals that it creates and not the doctrine that encourages these behaviors. The Mormon religion encourages its members to have a personal relationship with God and to live in a honest, moral, self reliant manner and law abiding manner.

As far as flip-flopping I couldn't care less what he says, as long as he delivers on what he has promised. Which is worse making a promise to do something and not doing it or aftering delivering on what you have stated then deciding to state something else to deliver on.

If I said I was going to ensure women's right of choice and I support that choice durning my time in office and the next time I run and say I am going to support pro-life and I do that, how is that a bad thing. That is integrity. Doing what you say. Changing your my is not a lack of integrity.

Lastly, what has been ruining the government is lobbyists for the defence and oil industries. As long as the profits of going to war support the two groups it will be hard to change government. It will take strong intelligent and capable leader to handle these lobbyists.

If Romney was not a mormon he would be winning hands down. He is the most prolific canidate to run for the Presidential office in a generation. Ignore the fact that he is not a Mormon, but still had his morals and the evangelicals would be supporting him and not Huckabee. Once again the evangelicals are going to affect the out come of this countries presidential election. There is the real issue in this. A preacher supports one canidate and his congregation votes in a block. The mormon church never has and never will tell how the congregation to vote and who to support. Which one sounds more like a cult?  

Sane in Utah
While you just use my words verbatim giving not even a cut/paste link back to my words you plagiarized? NO. I am not R.J. UT.

But I will say, (NOT "anti" mormon),
Romney is a facade of whatever he thinks/someone tells him, will get more votes. Among Christians, he talks of Jesus Christ (with No recognition that it is his own God/Christ he speaks of), if he needs to be the most gay rights, he's all out gay rights, if he needs to be JFK, he (well, he is NO JFK), if he needs to be a Reaganite, it's "Reagan, Reagan, Reagan, Rea...." Even though it wasn't long ago he flatly stated he was not for "Reagan"-Bush. This week he's been "change." Hey, it's working for Obama!

If Romney brings change like he did to Massachusetts, we are in big trouble.

Again, during Romney's 4 yrs. as MA's governor:
Massachusetts was the Only State to post ZERO GAIN in Employed Residents.
MA was 3rd from Bottom in Creating New Jobs (Would've been 2nd but Katrina destroyed Louisiana--even Huckabee helped create jobs for his state!).
The Median Home Price for Massachusetts ROSE 95% !! (40% for the nation).
222,000 MORE resident moved OUT of MA, than moved into the fair state. That's the only thing that kept unemployment rates down. (Center For Market Studies, Northwestern University. Boston Globe, 07/29/07).

Romney's experience making his own millions by taking the jobs of thousands of Americans through the Forced Buy-Outs of American-grown companies by Romney's Buy Out Firm, has Not made him a qualified governmental leader, certainly not presidential material.

(In battle in a fox hole)
McCain got captured. I'd rather be with Romney he is too smart to get captured.

Mitt Romney is the real deal. He has recieved attacks since the birth of this race from all sides. He continues to lead in delegates nationally and he is clearly the winner of Sunday nights dedate on FOX NEWS. McCain has served this country well,but as it relates to policy, many times he has been on the wrong end of the stick. Romney brings fresh ideas to the table and he stands a much better chance of beating Obama in November. Romney has my vote.

Its very sad to bring up ones religion. John Kennedy was a Catholic. And as we all know their leaders have been molesting children for a thousand years. Taking money to forgive sins and changing their position on a number of doctrines. I would so love to stand and debate this but the fact is President Kennedy being a Catholic didn’t effect his presidency and Mitt Romney being Latter-Day Saint is not an argument for not giving him your support and before you get all jumpy the term saint was used in the bible to refer to those who followed Christ. Mitt Romney is more prepared to lead this country than any of the other candidates. Listen to what he is saying and watch how he lives his life and you will find a true American deeply rooted in family values who has a love of country and of Christ and can keep those two things separated.  

Mitt Romney is by far the most intelligent person running for President.  You R J from Utah are not only wrong in your spelling of the word believe but you are wrong in your assumption of the Mormons being a cult.  

Eugene,

If I was in a foxhole in a battle, I would want Romney there with me, not McCain.  McCain would do something stupid, Romney would do something smart.  I say that after returning from my 8th deployment to Iraq and Aghanistan over the past 4 1/2 years.  I spent 14 1/2 yrs on Active duty and am Airborne, Ranger, and Special Forces qualified.  I'd say that gives me some credibility in deciding who I would want beside me in a firefight.  McCain is a maverick and not a president who will work to unite Americans (Democrats, Republicans, and Independents) together to solve problems for the common good.  He is a bull in a china store and will do more damage than good.  I'll vote for someone I can trust to work for us all, that is Mitt Romney.

Robert, RJ, or whoever you want to call yourself this time, cease with the anti-Mormon trash.  No one is listening and you are only making yourself look foolish.  You are just making the adults shake their heads while wondering where your parents are.

When someone changes their mind or gains more knowledge on a subject to the point where their position on the matter changes, it is not called flip-flopping; it is called maturing. It is part of the political process to re-examine your position on important issues over your tenure and decide whether earlier positions are tenable or even justified any more. On the day Benjamin Franklin signed The Constitution he made this speech:

Mr. President, I confess that there are several parts of this constitution which I do not at present approve. But I am not sure I shall never approve them. For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions even on important subjects, which I once thought right, but found to be otherwise. It is therefore that the older I grow, the more apt I am to doubt my own judgment, and to pay more respect to the judgment of others. Most men indeed as well as most sects in religion, think themselves in possession of all truth, and that wherever others differ from them it is so far error…. But though many private persons think almost as highly of their own infallibility as of that of their sect, few express it so naturally as a certain French lady, who in a dispute with her sister, said, “I don’t know how it happens, Sister, but I meet with nobody but myself, that’s always in the right.”

Robert or RJ from UT deems himself to be "always in the right" and we have seen how silly and maniacal his rantings are.  Mitt Romney is the one I would trust my country and the welfare of my family to.  And, if he changes his mind on an issue, I also trust that he will do so because he gained greater insight and knowledge on the subject and will work for our greater good in implementing his agenda.

Re: Robert Jorgenson, Utah “rote “Mormons are a cult.”

I’ve seen this same B.S. writing of yours all throughout MSN’s “First Read” but you’ve put different names or symbols as your signature to hide the dishonesty of your agenda. You use “First Read” to spread your bigotry founded on fiction, to smear a faith that has done nothing but good around the world, and a man who offers to serve without pay. He worked to make his place in life, why don’t you try it!

I have participated in many elections and I must say, this one really scares me. Why? Because I have seen how easily many of the American people are manipulated by “Professional Politicians” and the media. The “Pro” politicians throw out the bull and spins, and the media tells you what to think about it. When you make a major expenditure do you just listen to the salesman and sign the contract, or do you read the contract and demand they fill in the blanks? People get your info from the horse’s mouth and in print!

I am independent and read just about everything significant to the candidate’s positions (they’re more careful about what they write) and several have some good ideas in some areas, not in others. Some have strengths in some areas but clearly not in others. The only candidate, whose policies, solutions, background, intellect, character and backbone are exceptional, is Mitt Romney. I’ve checked the reliable sources and Romney has actually changed his opinion on two subjects, that’s it, and there was very good reasons for one, the other I understand his reasons; I may have done it differently. But it’s a naïve fool that thinks you can get to the top of any political position without at least acknowledging all peoples viewpoints.

And as far as Romney’s “negative campaign,” who the heck do you think threw the first mud! It was Huckabee, the “Christian” mocking another person’s religion. The others jumped on the band wagon. I read the King James Version of the Bible and from what I’ve read; I don’t think Jesus would be too happy with Huckabee’s behavior. Maybe if Huckabee’s elected, and if people don’t believe exactly the way he does he could shackle people in wood stocks in town square. Hey, maybe he can even start the “Salem Witch Trials” again and burn them at the stake!  

McCain is a good man but his strong point is in one area. I agree he would be an outstanding Secretary of State. Romney is the guy that can put it all together, and can beat the democrats in November. If you’re Independent or Republican you better vote now for the guy that can beat the Dem’s . Can you really say “President Obama”? Have you looked at his history and platforms! Be smart people!

In a foxhole?
At least McCain is a Patriot.

Romney is shutting down American companies just to turn around and sell them at a hefty profit to line his own pockets.

While Romney lines his own pockets, McCain, however imperfect, has dedicated his life to serving our nation.

In a foxhole? Give me McCain.

Romney doesn't even have the courage, the strength of character to stand proud (as he 'says' he is proud) of his religion (which 'Romney' brought into his campaign) and just be honest (as Gordon Hinckley has been honest/"Church News" June 20, 1998--just one example),and let voters, to whom he is speaking of his God and Jesus,know it is a different one. How easy is that?

Romney has caused confusion amonst some LDS, and he loses votes of 'Christians' who know he is not being forthright. The issue isn't his God, it's Romney's weak knees, his cowardice, his lack of courage to even face voters.

How can Romney be expected to be brave in a foxhole--Or in foreign relations? He isn't even brave on his own campaign trail, in a room full of voters who want to love him.

I want young brains NOT the old war monger mentality of McCain!

VOTE FOR MITT!
John McCain does not support the middle-class Amercian! His failed "Amnesty Bill" is still something he intends to implement. McCain does not listen to the Amercian people........and never did.

Even John McCain's home state of Arizona does not want him back!

They have gone the opposite direction away from McCain "Amnesty" bill and imposed some of the toughest state laws against illegal immigration in the country! Much to the chagrin of John McCain.

Mitt Romney has the right ideas!

McCain wants to let illegals stay for a $5000 fine and a slap on the wrist.  That's not going to cover the cost it has been to let them be here (or stay here), especially since he wants to give them social security for their illegal work.  Sorry, but a crime is a crime. Come the right way (you'd be welcome) or don't come.  I recieved an email regarding illegal immigrants that I think is important to share.  It's probably too long for one post, so I'll post it in pieces... not my words, so you'll know it's part of the article because of the quotations. :)

  From a California school teacher - - -

"As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:

I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school,
meaning that its students average lower sociol economic and income levels.

Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, BellGardens, Huntington Park, etc., where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools. Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud.  The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it
being dumped in the trash uneaten. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I estimate that well over 50% of these student s are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)
 
I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial..  I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here in the country less then 3 months who raised so much hell with the female
teachers, calling them "Putas" whores and throwing things that the teachers were in tears.
 
Free medical, free education, free food, day care etc., etc, etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?

"To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new diseases etc., etc, etc. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.

We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster because we won't have the guts to enforce it. Does anyone in their right mind really think they will voluntarily leave and return?

There are many hardworking Hispanic/American citizens that contribute to our country and many that I consider my true friends. We should encourage
and accept those Hispanics who have done it the right and legal way.

It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and worried about "politically correctness" that we don't have the will to do anything about it."

"CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about? Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage. Consumers don't want expensive produce.
Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs. But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce, and a lie. there is no such thing as "cheap labor."

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or $6.00/hour.  At that wage, with six dependents, he
pays no income tax,  yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return,  he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent. He qualifies for food stamps. He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care. His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.
He requires bilingual teachers and books. He qualifies for relief from high energy bills. If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI. Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare.  All of this is at (our) taxpayer's expense.

He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.

Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.

He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.

Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his.

The American taxpayers also pay for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.

Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Wake up people. THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING TO THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES FOR EITHER PARTY. AND WHEN THEY LIE TO US AND DON'T DO AS THEY SAY, WE SHOULD REPLACE THEM AT ONCE!'"

 Sharon Silva, Academic Counselor
 Claire Trevor School of the Arts
 University of California

Kira, you go girl!
Lets all quit the Mormon bashing and vote for the man..... Mitt.

Dave in Idaho

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