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Bill also hits Obama on GOP ideas

Posted: Friday, January 18, 2008 5:22 PM by Mark Murray



From NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli and NBC's Mark Murray
PAHRUMP, NV -- Bill Clinton joined his wife in targeting Barack Obama's statement about Republican ideas, saying that his "legs fell out" when he read it.

"Her principal opponent said that since 1992, the Republicans have had all the good ideas," Clinton told a crowd in Pahrump this morning. "It goes along with their plan to ask Republicans to become Democrats for a day and caucus with you tomorrow, and then go back and become Republicans so they can participate in the Republican primary. I'm not making this up, folks."

He then asked which ideas were better in the last 15 years "than the new ideas I brought to Washington," outlining issue-by-issue where Republicans stood on his accomplishments.

"I can't imagine any Democrat seeking the presidency would say they were the party of new ideas for the last 15 years. But it sounded good in Reno I guess," he said. "So now it turns out you can choose between somebody who thinks our ideas or better or the Republicans had all the good ideas."

Clinton, sporting a bright orange tie, said his wife's campaign is "stock-full of new ideas," and also that she has brought about real results for others her whole life. "So you have a choice," he said. "Do we have to start all over again and say thank you very much all those people who fought those against the extreme right wing of the Republican Party.., Or do we want someone who's a proven change maker?"

Of course, one could very well argue that many of the accomplishments from Clinton's presidency were based on GOP ideas. Welfare reform. NAFTA and free trade. And an emphasis on tax cuts.

Clinton rallied the feisty group of Pahrumpians by touting a new poll showing Hillary ahead by 9 points. "If you all could vote in a normal election, we'd be here to celebrate a certain victory. But you have a caucus, not a primary," he said. "So who will win depends on who wants it the worst, and who will be able to organize themselves to get all of our supporters there in a two hour window tomorrow."

Asked again today about the ruling in the dispute over at-large caucus sites, Clinton said simply, "It is what it is. We've got to suit up and fight on the ground that has laid for us. And I think that nobody should give a second's thought to that now. We should be all focused on getting our supporters to the caucuses."

He also encouraged Nevadans to consider for the future whether they want a caucus or primary in the future.

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Well at least Hillary is hanging out with someone who is similar to her Husband...

Bill Clinton and the Los Angeles Mayor both cheated on their wives....And humiliated them both in public......

Bill with a Young Intern.... Antonio Ramon Villaraigosa.....With a Young News Anchor.... Robert Johnson...Everyone

Great choice for an endorsement....Birds of a feather still flock together
Someone should give Bill a cigar and tell him to find a date. Want to bet on what the payoff was for Hillary not to leave him over the Monica thing. Gee that was kind of nasty of me to type. Maybe I will get a job offer from the Clinton campaign
Probably the biggest barrier to voting for Hillary is that Bill will be in charge, cause he can't be anything BUT in charge. Not a nice thought. And, I seem to remember that his grandiose ideas went NOWHERE until the Democrats lost the 1994 Congress and had to "triangulate" his ideas with the conservative Republican majority. I think Obama is on to something; Reagan represented a change of approach, and a wave of conservatism that is still being played out in America. Weird, but the Clintons and their campaign seem to be yesterday's news, and a pity because I like Hillary immensely more than Bill.
"Of course, one could very well argue that many of the accomplishments from Clinton's presidency were based on GOP ideas. Welfare reform. NAFTA and free trade. And an emphasis on tax cuts."
--Ha Ha!
--Bill Clinton is a joke, increasingly irrelevant.
Bill Clinton reminds me more of Karl Rove than of a former president. I hope he isn't elected again. Oops, I mean I hope Hillary isn't elected. I forget which one is running sometimes.
Senator Obama was not in the Senate when the Original Patriot Act was voted on...But you do you who was in the Senate and voted for the Original Patriot Act....Hillary
Now let me continue to further educate you.....Senator Obama voted for the revised version of the Patriot Act...in fact, he was part of a filibuster of the original version...And do you know why this filibuster was done....Answer:  He was trying to get civil liberties placed in the Patriot Act.....(Your Candidate "The Clintons" where okay with the original version because they never bothered to read it) And so once the reversions were place in the Patriot Act and only then is when Senator Obama voted for it.......

Senator Obama voted for funding the war.....Now maybe you look at this as a problem....But I and like many Americans look at this for what it actually is...The soldiers did not make the choice to go to war, it was the likes of Hillary Clintons that made that choice for them......but since our solider are over there fighting an unnecessary war we must keep them safe and protected...Or would you rather that not happen..

And now we find out that she voted for both of the Bankrupcy bills....But she was glad one of the bills didn't pass "“This was a bill she voted for in 2001 and that the credit card companies and the banks had been pushing to make it harder for people to get out of debt and reduce the 30-percent interest on the credit cards and folks had been going bankrupt for it,” he said. “She was asked about it by Tim Russert and she said, ‘Oh I voted for it but I’m glad to see that it didn’t pass"
Why don't the Clintons focus on running their campaign(yes..."their"...seems Bill thinks he is running too) and spend less time attacking Obama on everything?  I suspect it is b/c they have nothing new to say so they are following the old adage - if you cannot convince, then confuse.
does not seem to be a problem for whatever BO says.He has the same teflon that Reagan had.He should have thought about the unions that Regan was against---wasn't there some air-controllers that fired for going on strike??????I am sure they and their families remember.
 
A much more insightful piece can be found in The Guardian, Remembering Reagan by Richard Adams. Summary: "In making historical parallels, Barack Obama came not to praise Ronald Reagan but to bury the Clintons." It also contains this, as a matter of interest: "Ronald Reagan of course died in 2004. And when he did, he was praised "for the way he personified the indomitable optimism of the American people", a statement issued by - you guessed it - Bill and Hillary Clinton."
Arg
Wow! Obama must be a tough Teflon to withstand these two attack dogs named Clintons. Obama is right in his assessment regarding Regan. Regan changed the political landscape the way Bill Clintons couldn't.

The question press should ask Bill Clinton is this, what you did to change the political landscape while in office?
See, Bill Clinton want to change the rules again. He want to Change it from Caucus to Primary they can manipulate i.e. New Hampshire
Let's not forget that Alan Greenspan called Bill Clinton, the best Republican President he had known.Let's also Not forget that 2 year's into his 1st term, Democrat's lost control of Congress for the 1st time in over 40 year's & we did'nt get it back until 2006. Change is the Word Bill, embrace it, it does'nt hurt.
methinks, the Clintons just stepped into a trap.
His legs fell out.....my legs have been falling out for the last 6 years. Watching Bill run around with his NEW dad George H.W. Bush. Give me a break this whole thing is a Fairy Tale to Bill and Hill. But It's real to the American people, who know the whole ticket will go down in flames with Hillary on it!
Aside from being a TOTAL distortion of what Obama said and what he meant, I would have thought you could understand a nuanced argument like the one Obama was offering about political history.  

You are after all the Master of Parsing words and semantics.  But I guess it depends on what your definition of "is" is.  

By the way, Happy 10 Year Anniversary on the Lewinsky Scandal!
Hey Billary,

Read Obama's entire comment..."And, you know, the Republican approach, I think, has played itself out. I think it’s fair to say the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there over the last ten, fifteen years, in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom."  

It's true...let's remember the facts...

1. We lost a Democratic Senate and House of Representative under your administration...can you say New Gingrich.  The Republican revolution occured because people were feed up with the status-quo Democrats and wanted a change.

2. It's the Republicans who forced your hand to sign welfare reform.

3. It was the Republicans who put a cap on spending.

4. It was Ronald Regan and George Bush (both Republicans) who ended the Cold War and the Irag War.

We do not need another Clinton Administration...filled with slim destructive politics.

Time to turn the page America and its Barack Obama!

Yours Truly, Maddog, A Democrat
We are tired of trusting the same people who have been a great part of the problems we are having in this country to fix those same problems they helped to creat in woshington.

If you helped in starting this war in Iraq through your vote in woshington, you were wrong when it counted the most. That is your expirience. If you have been part of the fights that divided this country and woshington and helped deny the people well intended bills like good health care for everyone, you were wrong when it counted the most. That is your expirience. If you have more favours to give to special interests and lobbyists in woshington because they are fighting for you in this campaign; you are wrong when it counts the most. That is your expirience. If you believe in the bush foreign policy of doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, you are wrong when it counts the most. That is your expirience. If you are scared to say or do the right thing even when it's unpopular, as a leader, you are wrong.

Expirience is like a real view mirror and while it shows us where you have been, it can't and shouldn't be used to tell us where we are going without good judgement; we can't look back to the future if we have to go forward to the future. We need a new leader with the right judgement, and the right expirience; a leader who will inspire us to unite for a common cause; who will do the right things when they count the most rather than do the wrong things and look for a chance to fix everything later. We have seen the cost of a broken system in blood, and poverty and in many other ways that we can't and shouldn't be scared of a new day. A better day. We need to know that Yes. we. can. If we have the courage to change. Obama 08.

In the meantime, if you're tired of politics as usually, come visit www.barackobama.com. He's got new plans listed for the economy and the war in Iraq. Come take a look and see if you'd like to be a part of the people's MOVEMENT for change!
If Clinton gets the nomination.  You will see the Democratic Party dissolve within 4 years.  

That will be the legacy of the Clintons.

Democrats need to wake up the impact she will have on the future of this country.

The time to act is now before it is to late.
Hillary counts Ronald Reagan as one of her favorite presidents:

But no president can do it alone. She must break recent tradition, cast cronyism aside and fill her cabinet with the best people, not only the best Democrats, but the best Republicans as well.. We’re confident she will do that. Her list of favorite presidents - Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Truman, George H.W. Bush and Reagan - demonstrates how she thinks. As expected, Bill Clinton was also included on the aforementioned list.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=4674
Bill, you signed all the legislation for the Republican ideas. You forgot you did that boy?
from france,
shut up Bill, it's not your race, you re doing the bad boy, confuse and lie upon Obama

please stop
Bee
The man's name is Reagan not Regan. I think you got left behind.
rick,ky
Obama is the one who is courting republican votes and comparing himself to Bill all the time. He seems to want to be him.
Citizenj
 You are a joke to compare Clinton to Rove. Or maybe an admiring republican?
Vincent, KC
I know I shouldn't justify but you sound more jealous than disapproving. Mayhaps you wish it was you?
I am bore so I guess I will write nasty personal blogs since that seems to be the Obamites communicate. But I will not write them about your candidate, just you.
 
And to think I used to defend this guy in political arguments! Makes me think he took us all for a ride all along. I cant believe how easy it is for him and his wife to lie to us right in our face, and with a smile!

How many times can I repeat that Obama NEVER SAID THAT!?
I guess they are going to ride that lie to the end hoping that they can kick up enough dirt in the last hours like Hilary tears did. And then after the smoke clears everyone they fooled regrets supporting their stupid ideas.

Seems to Bill (and Hill) that Republicans are evil, nasty, people.  That's the way to bring people together guys!!! lol
OBAMA '08!
Today in Las Vegs, Nevada the day before the caucuses Bill Clinton and Chelsea were allowed by the MGM CORPORATION to campaign in the employee lunch room for Hillary Clinton while Barack Obama was denied access by the same MGM CORP.  Hillary Clinton had said whe was going to fight with the culinary against MGM but now we see because she was endorsed by MGM Grand and allowed this access that she was taling out of both sides of her mouth as usual (i.e) there is no blue dress because my husband did not have an affair. Such lies!
Bill has room to talk.  They say he was the best president the Republicans ever had!
There is a big difference between making a historical fact and discussing ideas (Of which, democrats have to agree we have not been exactly brimming full of the past 20 years)and embracing and enacting republican policies.
Bill was a tool of the republicans.
Obama was stating facts.  The democratic party has been so stuck in a rut and they keep doing the same things over and over and never seem to move forward that they have not exactly been the party of new ideas.
And until they can break with the past and embrace the future, my party will continue to be a shadow of it's former self.
And the Clintons played a huge part in the weakening and paralizing of this party.
What unbelievable distortions of what Barack Obama was talking about. Obama was talking historical perspective, and you have to watch the ENTIRE video to fully understand. I'm sick and tired of twisting, and selective choosing of video clips. Do the Clintons really think people are that stupid? I hope they are not that stupid. First of all, they've also had positive comments about Reagan over the past year or two. I've just about lost ALL respect for both of them.
Of course, one could very well argue that many of the accomplishments from Clinton's presidency were based on GOP ideas. Welfare reform. NAFTA and free trade. And an emphasis on tax cuts.
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Just had to see that in print one more time.
There goes Bill opening his mouth and lying again. How bitter he must be knowing how he pissed his chance away.
Is Bill's remarks based on what Obama said about Reagan changing the political landscape? If so, this might be the most bizarre stretching of words I've seen, and in a campaign season that features the Clintons, that's saying alot.
Endorsement: Obama embodies party’s vision  1/17
Nevada Democrats should caucus for Barack Obama, the freshman U.S. senator from Illinois, to represent them as the party’s nominee to run for president of the United States. He has the personal characteristics and political instincts expected of the person who leads this nation.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?&Dato=20080117&Kategori=NEWS18&Lopenr=80117041&Ref=AR

Afternoon with Barack Obama
Video ---http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080115/VIDEO/80115026&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3284

Barack Obama Meets Chronicle Editorial Board --Jan 17, 2008
http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1381682549

KNOW THE FACTS
http://factcheck.barackobama.com/

Experience
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKudh1apPtc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMlrSG1xb5k


BILL CLINTON'S CONDUCT IN THIS CAMPAIGN IS AN EMBARRASSMENT TO MY PARTY. THE SOONER THAT MY DEM PARTY CUT THE UMBILICAL CORD AND MOVE FORWARD, THE BETTER. HIS CONDUCT AS AN EX-PREZ IS SHAMEFUL.
THIS IS THE BAD SIDE OF HIS YEARS IN OFFICE.

She(HRC in '93) was put in charge of health care with a democratic president, democratic congress, and with polls showing 80%(??) support for universal health care. Yet she managed to fail.  
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Remember what happened to other Democrats during the Clinton years. Fewer senators, fewer representatives, fewer governors, fewer state legislators.  
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Republicans gained control of both houses of Congress for the first time in more than 40 years after the 1994 elections.
Democrats lost control of the U.S. House of Representatives for the first time in 40 years, along with control of the Senate and 10 gubernatorial seats---


Keep in mind that there were also party switches from 1992 to 1996 election(1994 was bad for Dems):
Democratic # of senators went from 56 to 47 to 45. Republican # of senators went 44-53-55.
House of Rep. was 258-198-206 for Dems.
House of Rep was 176-236-228 for Repubs.
House of Rep had 1 Ind.
Governors were Dem 21/Repub 14 then changed in 1994 to Dem 11/Repub 24.(no real shift..+-one.. in gov party control in 1996).
We have only to look the Clinton record of 1992 to 2001.

A partial list of names reads: Vince Foster (tragic suicide), the seven White House Travel office workers (fired and rehired when charges were untrue), Lani Guiniere (yanked nomination), Zoe Baird (yanked nomination), Jocelyn Elders (invited to resign), DeeDee Myers (invited to resign), George Stephanopulous (run-in with Hillary, resigned), Webb Hubbell (jail), Susan McDougal (jail), Jim McDougal (jail), Mack McClarty (resigned), Gov. Jim Guy Tucker (jail), Paula Jones (at least she got some money for her pain), Juanita Broaddrick, Gennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey, Monica Lewinsky (she got crushed by the bus), Linda Tripp (she did a bad, bad thing and got steamrolled), Al Gore (impeachment, Clinton fatigue and sleaze factor made it impossible to run without having to run away from the Clintons).
from Hillary Clinton web site -- Reagan was one of her favorite president!

"But no president can do it alone. She must break recent tradition, cast cronyism aside and fill her cabinet with the best people, not only the best Democrats, but the best Republicans as well.. We’re confident she will do that. Her list of favorite presidents - Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Truman, George H.W. Bush and Reagan -demonstrates how she thinks. As expected, Bill Clinton was also included on the aforementioned list."

Way to misrepresent what Obama said, Mr. Former President. This is just the same old politics, one reason I'm moving away from Hillary.
Barack Obama

Asked how his being the nominee might help down-ballot candidates, such as Senators and Congressmen, get elected, he said: "If I'm the nominee, one thing I'm convinced about, I will have a better chance of bringing in people of like mind. One of the things I'm very proud of in this campaign is I think we've already changed the political dialogue. I mean, you think about it, you know, when Mitt Romney starts talking like me. Right? Which wasn't the case when he started off. But suddenly everyone's ...'Change.' And you have someone like a Huckabee who is doing very well, basically taking a similar tone of, 'Well, we can disagree without being disagreeable.'

"I think that we're shifting the political paradigm here. And if I'm the nominee, I think I can bring a lot of folks along on my coattails. You know, there's a reason why in 2006, I made the most appearances for members of Congress. I was the most requested surrogate to come in and campaign for people in districts that were swing districts, Republican districts where they wouldn't have any other Democrat.

"That was based on their read of the fact that, you know what, this is somebody who can reach out to independents and Republicans in a way that doesn't offend people…I don't want to present myself as some sort of singular figure. I think part of what's different are the times.

"I do think that, for example, the 1980 election was different. I mean, I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that, you know, Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. They felt like, you know, with all the excesses of the 60's and the 70's and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating and he tapped into what people were already feeling. Which is, people wanted clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamic and entrepreneurship that had been missing, alright? I think Kennedy, twenty years earlier, moved the country in a fundamentally different direction. So I think a lot of it just has to do with the times.

"I think we're in one of those times right now. Where people feel like things as they are going aren't working. We're bogged down in the same arguments that we've been having, and they're not useful. And, you know, the Republican approach, I think, has played itself out. I think it's fair to say the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there over the last ten, fifteen years, in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom. Now, you've heard it all before. You look at the economic policies when they're being debated among the Presidential candidates and it's all tax cuts. Well, you know, we've done that, we tried it. That's not really going to solve our energy problems, for example. So, some of it's the times. And some of it's, I think, there's maybe a generation element to this, partly. In the sense that there's a, I didn't did come of age in the battles of the 60's. I'm not as invested in them.

"And so I think I talk differently about issues. And I think I talk differently about values. And that's why, I think we've been resonating with the American people." Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, has taken one section of this and totally mischaracterized it to say that Obama was saying Republicans had "better" ideas.

"I have to say, you know, my leading opponent the other day said that he thought the Republicans had better ideas than Democrats the last ten to fifteen years," she said. "That's not the way I remember the last ten to fifteen years."
THIS IS ON HILLARY CLINTON'S WEBSITE

. Her list of favorite presidents - Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Truman, George H.W. Bush and Reagan - demonstrates how she thinks. As expected, Bill Clinton was also included on the aforementioned list.
Say no to the soap opera titled "Billary."  America can do without the return of the "Dysfunctional Former First Family."  
There go the Clintons again, pissing our feet a telling us it's raining, snowing or whatever. Barack Obama has just out-flanked them on the left and on the right. Bill Clinton couldn't maintain a majority in the congress, and it took an administration the likes of Nixons to get it back. While the Republicans let Bill be popular, they got everything they wanted in Washington knowing full well that he would blow it in the long run. With the Clintons you're sure to get more partisan fighting and a country tore up from the floor up. With Obama you're sure to get optimism and loads of inspiration along with a beautifully brillant political mind. A person who plays fair, tells the truth, and offers a vision with a greater perspective of what's needed and how to obtain it. Bill Clinton is so angry because he's so used to personally getting what he wants. Just ask Monica or Gennifer or...
Here is the video of Obama making fun of Hillary Clinton and John Edwards..
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/01/18/so t.obama.hillary.experience.cnn

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QQY_9ZcsjpQ
WHAT EVERY DEMOCRAT NEEDS TO KNOW----- TODAY ON CNN LOU DOBBS A LAWYER WAS CONVICTED OF KEYING A SOLDIERS CAR CAUSE IT HAD MILITARY PLATES.  THE SOLDIER CAUGHT HIM AND FILED CHARGES.HE WAS IN IRAUQ FIGHTING ON COURT DATE.  THE JUDGE STILL HELD COURT AND FOUND THE GUY GUILTY, AND FINED HIM SO BAD HE SAID HE WAS LEAVING THE COUNTRY.------------MORAL OF THIS STORY IF I CATCH YOU RUNNING DOWN OR DISRESPECTING OUR ARMY, YOU WONT HAVE THE CHANCE TO LEAVE.  YOU YELLOW BELLIED DEMOCRATS ARE FLIRTING WITH HARM, BECAUSE THE DECENT PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF YOU, AND WE RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE.  WE NEED TO START WITH BILL MAHER.  WE HATE YOUR GUTS GOT IT.
I love you guys. YOU ROCK!!

I am laughing so hard that I am falling down. I am jumping around the room and applauding because I am so entertained by the your wise and delightful words.  

Thank you for giving such positive consideration to Obama's candidacy.

You are absolutely right. After the debacle of the Clintons losing the Democratic Congress (after 40 years of Democratic control) and the miserable failure of Hillary’s so-called Universal Health Plan, their co-presidency legislative program was very much a lifting or an expansion of Reagan/Republican concepts and ideas.

By the way, if Hillary has already served as a co-president with Bill for 8 years, isn’t she termed out?
WHY SHOULDNT THIS PERVERT BE IN JAIL INSTEAD FOR MOLESTING , GROPING AND RAPING WOMEN, AND PARDONING THE DRUG CARTEL FOR MONEY.  WHY ARE YOU IDIOTS EVEN LISTENING TO HIM.  DO YOU NOT HAVE ANY RESPECT FOR YOURSELVES.  YOU RE A BUNCH OF SICKOS-----YOU MAKE ME PUKE.
"You are after all the Master of Parsing words and semantics.  But I guess it depends on what your definition of 'is' is."

Well put. This parsing and distortion of Obama's meaning is utterly ridiculous and patently manipulative. I'm quite fed up with the brand of politics the Clintons insist on practicing; they're bright people who should know better.
Seriously, who the heck is running here, Bill or Hillary? I thought I only had to endure this nutball for 8 years, you tell me I have to endure him 4 years or more? Soon Canada is going to have to start building walls.
Hey First Read, get Obama's quote right!
He did not say "Good Ideas" he said "Ideas." What he said was true. Of course the Clintons have a problem with the truth.
Great work First Read!
re: "Of course, one could very well argue that many of the accomplishments from Clinton's presidency were based on GOP ideas."

Of course, if "one" was a Republican.

Unfortunately for Republicans, I WAS a Republican in the 1990's, I never voted for Bill Clinton, and I gave  Republicans all the credit for peace and prosperity.

Then all the sudden, those very same Republicans got the reins with a REPUBLICAN President.

So... if those Republicans were so successful with Bill Clinton, how did they get to be such miserable failures with George Bush?

One thing Bill Clinton believed in was SMART government.
Republicans, it now appears, actually have no idea how to make government work. (At least, Bush Republicans obviously don't.)
I love it. The more the Clintons attack Obama..the more right he seems to be for the times. Obama allllll the way.

Hillary has gone from it takes a village to it takes a President. Pathetic. Independents 4 Barack
Watch video - He sounds like a Republican
http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1582


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