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Obama on economy, goes after Hillary

Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:14 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC/NJ’s Aswini Anburajan
GREENVILLE, S.C. -- If anyone thought Obama needed a breather after last night’s contentious and heated Democratic debate, the candidate’s opening speech at Furman University in Greenville proved them wrong.
 
Obama went after Clinton on issue after issue from last night’s debate, using the podium to give full grievance to his charges against her in a way that the time-limited format at the debate and Clinton’s noisy interruptions did not permit.
 
“Of course, it's easy to propose plans and policies when you're on the campaign trail. You can make all sorts of promises and tell people what they want to hear when they want to hear it. But in this time of economic anxiety and uncertainty, what this country needs most is a President who says what he means and means what he says,” Obama said before launching into an attack on Clinton’s economic stimulus plan.

“When Senator Clinton first released her economic stimulus plan, she didn't think that workers or seniors needed immediate tax relief. She thought it could wait until things got worse. Five days later, the economy didn't really change, but the politics apparently did, because she changed her plan to look just like mine,” Obama said while the audience roared with laugher.
 
He moved on to reprise his critique of Clinton’s answer on the bankruptcy bill, which she had voted for in 2001. “Believe it or not, Senator Clinton said again last night that even though she voted for the bill, she was glad it didn't pass,” Obama said, at which point he was interrupted by a man who loudly shouted “She did!”
 
“I know!” Obama yelled out before continuing, “I know you can get away with this in Washington, but most of us know that if you don't want to see a bill pass, there's a pretty easy option available -- you can vote against it.”
 
On trade he also criticized her for saying one thing and taking another position when she decided to run for the presidency. “Because only in Washington could Senator Clinton say that NAFTA led to economic improvement up until she started running for President,” he said. “Now she says we need a time-out on trade. No one knows when this time-out will end. Maybe after the election.”
 
Hitting back at Clinton on lobbyists, Obama accused Clinton of  “defending” them and saying that they represented the interests of “real Americans. “Well let me tell you,” Obama said, “if you really believe that lobbyists represent real Americans, then you don't.”
 
The rebuts served to underscore an argument Obama has been making about Clinton essentially since the beginning, that she doesn’t have the judgment to make the right decisions the first time around and that she will say whatever it takes to win.
 
“We can't afford a President whose positions change with the politics of the moment, we need a President who knows that being ready on day one means getting it right from day one,” Obama said.
 
He continued, “In my 25 years of public service, my positions haven't changed when the politics got hard, and neither will the policies I pursue as President.”

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INSTEAD OF GOING BACK AND FORTH AT EACH OTHER, STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN AND DON'T WORRY WHAT THE OTHER IS SAYING.
PEOPLE I THE US GET TIRED OF ALL THE HE SAIS, SHE SAID  BULL. GET BACK TO REALLY WHATS IMPORTANT. STAND UP FOR YOUR OWN BELIEFS AND IF WILLING THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WILL PUT YOU IN OFFICE.
Hillary is a very big disgrace for New Yorkers....

well, at least we still have Miss America and the Giants to root for!!!
I am not a Barack fan, but I have to say to the people who hold against him the fact that he voted against the war but for war funding...once our country - our brothers, sisters, sons and daughters are at war IT IS A REALITY. Someway we have to be able to finish our task and bring them home - if you are so ignorant as to believe that voting to fund the efforts to finish what we have started was hypocritical then you dillusional...WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE WAR ON TERROR - WE HAVE OUR MEN AND WOMEN FIGHTING FOR US AND WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THEM BY DOING WHAT IT TAKES TO HELP THEM COMPLETE THEIR MISSION AND COME HOME!

That is not something you can hold against Sen. Obama. There are plenty of things that he is out of touch with (in my opinion), but that is far from one of them!
In South Carolina Obama said you have to choose between your gender and your race and the media didn't comment on it. If Hillary had made that statement in Iowa she would have been branded a racist and would have been hounded out of the election. I have news for you the statement is racist regardless of who says it. Wake up media it is alright to criticize a black person when he is wrong.
We need experience Obama, not lies...what about the 100 votes you did not make a decision on.  What about all the times you changed your mind.  

You go Hiliary.  When Hiliary talks we get substance.  When Obama talks we get rhetoric...we need more than empty words...
Jerry -
I don't know if you have read my previous comments, but I have been curious all along to know what the intention is for Bill should the Clintons call the White House home again. He is so heavily embedded in her campaign - I cannot imagine that other leaders, both domestic and foreign, would not also feel the inevitable effects of 'Billary' - the co-presidents of the United States. What will this say for Hillary's position? I know my personal opinion, but I cannot imagine that it would be favorable for Hillary as 'president'! What are your thoughts?
It was fun when everyone including the right wing got to pound on the Clinton's (Whitewater actually no water here)and they could not respond or defend themselves. Now that Bill isn't taking any Crap from anyone, obama cries like a little nancy. When Obama groes up he may make a good presidentr someday. but not today.  Most people in their 50's have mopre experience than he does.  America does not need or rrequire another (Bush jr.) On the job training for president.  As you can see it gets us into big trouble with the vp actually calling the shots.  With Hillary you get two for one, brains and acutal sucessful presidential experience.  Bill won't let Hillary or this country fall into the hole like jr. did.

Open your eyes and see the gas prices to walk for, the high unemployment,(Artifically supressed with fast food teen jobs) crashing stock market, no housing bubble cover.  Looking at what the god fairing, conservative right wing nuts have brought to us today, Hillary is looking real good.
139 votes, to be exact, out of over 4,000, which comes out to slightly less than 4% of his votes in the Illinois State Senate as "present."  That's not a big deal, Hillary didn't bother to show up for 45% of her votes in the US Senate and no one is harping on that.
Would the junior senator from Illinois like some cheese with his WHINE ???

And if he thinks he's getting roughed up now by Bill & Hill, how is he gonna stand up against the inevitable onslaught that will come from the Republicans in the fall.  He won't be running against the likes of Alan Keyes again !
KMM - you have my support.  If Billary is the dems candidate for the general, I'll be voting ABC "Anybody buy Clinton"
The following is what Obama has been saying during the past few days:

Waaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Hillary is bad!
Bill is bad!

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Obama is such a whiner.

Hey when will he give back all that dirty Rezco money he took?

When will he sell that mansion Rezko helped make possible for him to buy?
This is good practice for Obama for when he is the Democratic nominee and the swiftboating really begins. I admire Obama for campaigning as if the truth matters, but he has to get better at turning his answers into glib soundbites if he is to beat the Republicans. Hillary is doing him a favor, giving him practice in this cut throat competion. I like Obama. My advice is free.
Barack Obama shamelessly whined on stage yesterday.  He can't take the heat.  The republicans will tear him to shreds.
To Californian - re the 100 "present" votes.  Since I live in Illinois I can tell you that this is s tactic that is used by ALL the legislatures in this state.  Doesn't make it right or wrong - just a method that is used.  Yes, he voted to fund the troops - but he did not vote to yes on the Kyle-Lieberman amendment which Clinton supported.  Up until last night's debate, I said I would support the democratic nominee for president.  If Clinton does get the nomination, for the first time in my life I will not vote (and I'm closing in on 62 years!).  She definitely lost me last night.
Both Hillary and Obama do the very same thing.
Obama has nothing new but claims to be the person with a change...what is it?? Hillary can't remember
what she did and really does'nt want anyone else to remember either. but then again, why would we want to?
Hillary,Obama...nothing new, same ol sick politics at its worse!
sad day when you call out a Clinton and all you get is "Well you did this Mr Meany Pants!". If you think Sen Obama is attacking Hillary now by just stating facts, she will be crying on the floor in a little ball when the GOP gets started on her.
BO is really crying on the inside.  I wish he would find his voice, I am tired of waiting for him to find words! BO is so halting and vague he put me to sleep and I have INSONIA! I hope you can change BO!
"That's a lie, Barack.  You voted for war funding after saying you were against the war, and you did it for political reasons".

No it’s called supporting the troops that are there. You obviously never served in the military.
How is Obama going to change Washington politics when he could not change Illinois politics?

Just keep voting "present" and give excuses that its how Illinois politics is.

Come on, a true leader should have guts to do otherwise. If he could not do otherwise, why should I believe he will do otherwise in Washington?
Please note that Senator Clinton makes a decision, as opposed to Senator Obama who either doesn't show up to vote or votes present, which is the same as making no decision. Senator Obama can "underscore" an argument against Senator Clinton all he likes, but he scores no points with me. He's charming, witty, has an interesting life story but lacks the strength of character for the job of leader of the free world.
Many of the present votes were part of a pro-choice strategy developed by Planned Parenthood to defeat legislation that would have limited choice.  

The Clinton team, 2 days before the NH primary, sent out a mailer attacking Sen. Obama's pro-choice commitment 2 days before the primary.  This was ridiculous - Obama had a 100% rating from Planned Parenthood.  Here's what one of the woman said who signed the mailer (and remember this is from a Clinton supporter):

Katie Wheeler, a former state senator, said the Clinton campaign had not given her background information about Obama's record on abortion rights when it asked her to sign the letter calling him weak on the issue, and said that, as a result, she did not understand the context of the votes that the letter was attacking him over.

"It should never have gotten to the point where anyone thought Obama was not pro-choice," said Wheeler, a founder of the New Hampshire chapter of NARAL Pro-Choice America. "I don't think the Clinton campaign should have done that. It was divisive and unnecessary."

This is what the Clinton Machine is all about.  How can any Democrat applaud these type of tactics?  
I can't believe how one sided this first read is in defending Obama. I used to think only Fox news was biased it has been painfully obvious who MSNBC is rooting for in this primary season. Natioanl politics is like getting to sit at the Adult's table, Obama needs to take his chair back to the kid's table.
California,
Once we are at war, we have to have money to get the troops what they need - like body armor, food and paychecks.  Meanwhile, we can work at getting out of the war.  But the troops are there and we have to support them.

Funding it is not the same as supporting it.

By the way Hillary voted FOR the war thinking it was a vote for more diplomacy, because she didn't know what she was doing.  Then she also voted to fund it, as did just about everyone.

A "present" vote is not a necessarily a cop out.  It is done for many reasons.  Go learn how the system works before beleiving this spin crap.  This type of ignorance is what the Clinton's are betting on.

As the Clinton's have one finger pointing at Obama, three fingers are pointing right back.  Many times they state in a accusing way what Obama has done, not mentioning that she, too, did the vary same thing.

Pandering to black voters?  OMG  Bill is known as the black president.  He keeps a token office in Harlem.  Hillary fakes a souther accent when she speaks to black people.  Do you know what pandering is?
Sounds like some people here need a civics lesson, at least where Illinois is concerned.  Present is a perfectly acceptable vote, as Obama explained to Clinton & Edwards last night, guess they can't comprehend.  A bill is presented, if it's bad, vote no.  If it's good, vote yes.  If you agree in principle, but think it needs tweaking, vote present.  You don't always throw the baby out with the bathwater.  So instead of misrepresenting the facts (a fancy word for lying), maybe Clinton & Edwards could use a civics lesson as well.  
I am a die-hard Dem who has gone back and forth since this all began. I, too, am sick of the cynical "re-framing" of events and statements by the Clinton camp about Obama. All the accusations Hill and surrogates have made are all explained in various articles available from reputable news sources. Obama was asked specifically to vote "Present" as part of a Democratic coalition plan on various dfferent votes. Anyone who has read the transcript of Obama's remarks on Reagan knows the truth. Hillary is hoping people are too lazy or stupid to research her smear attack. I find it sickening. I also feel Obama is much savvier about appealing to everyone, not just die-hard Dems like myself. He has won my vote!
Obama is a phoney, plain and simple and his supporters are "sheeple."
He talks about "change.
But never says what he's going to change or how he's going to change it. He's embarrassed because Hillary confronted him on that last night, and made him look stupid.
He and his "sheeple" followers throw out baseless accusations at Hillary, then they cry and whine like little schoolgirls when Hillary and her supporters hit back.
Case in point; he tried to mock her association w/Walmart, and she immediately countered with his representation of SLUM LORD & INDICTED POLITICAL RACKETEER Antoin Rezko.
From that point on, Obama was toast. He fidgeted nervously, and looked overly anxious to deliver his well practiced rhetoric that has no substantive measure at all.
Even as the debate ended, he stood off to the left of the stage and neurotically fiddled with his microphone hook-up while Edwards and Hillary shook hands with the moderator, and took applause from the crowd.
Obama is flustered, and you want to know why?
Because for the first time in this campaign he went after Hillary, and she gave it right back to him without exception.
...and he can't take it!
From the looks of his statement today, and the caterwauling that's coming from his supporters on this board, the desperation is starting to surface.
He'll win SC (maybe, if Edwards doesn't.)
But after that we'll be looking back on last night as the moment when the wheels came loose, and Obama's express became a little toy wagon.


I can't believe Senator Clinton is criticizing Obama for funding the troops.

Is she insane or just determined to take her party down with her?
I know my personal opinion, but I cannot imagine that it would be favorable for Hillary as 'president'! What are your thoughts?

Kathryn in Bham (Sent Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:15 PM)


I think that Hillary will not win the White House because.....

I cannot imagine for the life of me anybody voting for a socialist.....

She has no plans as far as her campaign goes.  She has only started talking about he so-called plans here lately because she was forced to do so by Obama winning in Iowa.  A lot of people have been looking for her plans, but she either doesn't talk about them or she doesn't know what she is talking about.

Hillary will use her power to go after her enemies.  Judging from the stories coming out about her health car plans back in 93 and how she was going to use information dug up by her team to try and destroy people that were against her on health care, she cannot be trusted with the secrets of this country.

Having been caught with all sorts of crooked con men from Norman Hsu to Marcellio Celis that have raised money for her campaign and have such things in their folders like drug running in mexico to getting money from poor Chinese dishwashers, one has to wonder openly if Hillary does have her hands in any of this?
Lobbyists have bought positions of influence in her campaign, that should be illegal.

Bill Clinton is another part of her checkered past, present and future.  the story today of him getting $20 million from his various deals and now having to cut those deals because Hillary is running for President still leaves him open to problems down the road.  It's pretty laughable to think that people hate us all over the world today, when they were laughing at us in the 1990's as Bill was caught in his little affair with Monica Lewinsky.  All Bill Clinton did was show how easy it was for the terrorists to attack us, they thought President Bush would be like Bill Clinton.  Boy, did they get that one wrong!

The questions one has to ask before voting for Hillary;

Is she trustworthy?
Who will be the president Bill or Hillary?
Will there be more money for sleepovers in the Lincoln bedroom?
Can Bill stay out of trouble?
Can Hillary stay out of trouble?
Can Hillary do what she says she is going to do?
Like many others. I thought I’d support whoever the democratic nominee was. But the Clintons are liars, and they are doing whatever it takes to win. If this means lying, inserting race and gender into the politics they’ll do it.

To ad insult to injury Hilary isn’t even campaigning in South Carolina. How disrespectful to the African American voters. Hillary had a full campaign in IA, NH, and NV why not SC.

Is this how you expect a leader to behave? Is this the same person that praises MLK? She’s a pandering joke that will do anything to win, she scares me.
Go get 'em Barack.  It's about time.  Clinton supporters keep attacking you for not attacking ("he's not strong enough, blah, blah, blah).

Of course now we see the whining comments.  Most of her supporters are supposed to be from the "mature" crowd, aren't they?
I was surprised that Obama chose to attack Clinton last night by pointing out that she once sat on the Wal-Mart Board of Directors.  I had read someplace, I think, that Obama's wife had sat on a board of a company, whose name I cannot recall, that was some sort of subsidiary of Wal-Mart and that when her husband began his presidential run, she resigned.  Does anyone have any additional information about this--I don't know if it's true or not.
Iguess I do not understand the concern over voting present 130 times.  Obama explained this as a procedural move used in his state to express displeasure over a portion of a bill you otherwise would support.  I also thought I heard that he is on record for over 4000 votes.  If my recollection is correct then he voted present ~ 3.0% of the time.  Why is this concerning anyone.  
The economy  suks and we are in a recession but not our politicians who gave them selves a nice raise for probably working 10weeks out of the year...They spent more time on ther pork barrell spending than doing what they were elected to do....You want to get some money into the american peoples hand go back and give those 9200 bill for pork barrell spending that got approved buy you back to the American people...we wont have to borrow the money...To easy to do you may have to think about it... i sure would like to see whos got all that pork as a matter of fact it should all be published so who we know has interest for themselves.  We may all be on that bridge to no where
Toni from Wichita wrote -
"Look, you have to fund the troops once they are in. Obama opposed the war in Iraq the beginning, but that doesn't change the reality that we have troops in Iraq now and need to be funded. He has always said, thought that the Bush admin "took their eyes off the ball" in Afghanistan where the real threat lies. He and other congress members have tried to steer that effort back to Afghanistan to concentrate on Al Quieda.

Second, a present vote in the Illinois senate isn't a pass but also indicates the bill needs more work in order to pass. Not that hard to comprehend."

Well said, unfortunately people don't take the time to learn the facts and rely on the lies spouted by Bill & Hill as truths.  You think they (voters) would have learned their lesson from the various Clinton scandals over the years.  I was very dis-heartened to hear Hillary bring up Tony Rezko last night.  Obama has been transparent about his involvement with Rezko, I can't say the same for Hillary regarding the Rose Law Firm, Whitewater, Vince Foster, et al.  It has been almost 8 years since the Clintons left the White House and they STILL can't manage to unseal Mrs. Clintons' records.  

See this Chicago Sun-Times article for info about Rezko.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/124171,CST-NWS-obama05.article
Did Hillary count her years representing WalMart as experience?

She used to be a Republican.  Maybe that is why the Republicans want her to win.

Jon Stewart and Colbert would be a riot if Billery wins.  There will be so much scandal.  Every comic must be rooting for them.
Tell us about Tony Rezko Barack.  Wasn't he in trouble for not providing his residents heat while donating to your campaigns and raising money for you?
I am another who will never vote for Hillary.  No, it is not because she is a woman.  No, it is not because she is married to Bill (I actually like Bill).  No, it's not because Obama wouldn't have won.  It is because she is just another calculating politician.  She takes stances on issues that she knows will only help her and never hurt her.  I have no respect for Hillary Clinton after this whole campaign.  I, at least, didn't mind her that much before the campaign started, but then I saw the real Hillary.  All I can do is hope that if Hillary (God forbid) is nominated, that Michael Bloomberg runs for president.  I don't think the Clintons REALLY know how many people don't like Hillary in this country.  
What exactly have "the Clintons" done for the black community?  They look good walking across bridges and appearing at churches, but what programs did they introduce in the 90s for the inner cities?

I find it amusing that Bill is  going "door to door" in South Carolina to reach out to blacks.  The sad thing is, the people behind those doors were the same people there 6 years ago.  Nothing has changed- poor people are still poor and rich people are richer.  The Clintons did nothing to change the playing field.  In fact, they made it worse.
Obama is an empty suit. He's got to wait his turn. The republicans will chew him up alive. He doesn't stand a chance against the repub spin machine and swiftboaters. The Clintons are powerful and will prevail, as they deserve.No more wimpy democrats.
Obama can't undo his poor performance last night by attacking Hillary Clinton on the stump today. Obama is not a good debator. He rambles around and fails to make points. In the SC debate, he fell into the traps that Clinton set for him too many times. Seemingly he is a slow learner at debate tactics, or his handlers are not giving him good advice, or he does not listen to them. This weakness can not be overcome by rhetoric on the stump. I am not a Clinton fan (of either Bill or Hillary) but she beat Obama last night at the blame game. He needs more experience before he hits the big time. What Bill and Hillary Clinton have tossed his way is nothing compared to what the Republicans would do to him if he gets the nomination.
Dear Friends:
What a switch artist Obama is!   Watch out for the jumping wolf spiders in Arizona, the gila monsters and the snakes in the grass.  Scorpions in your bed and bedbugs in the hotels of Las Vegas.  SSSSSSSS
Obama.   Older than rats nest or the skin to be shed like a snake.  Watch out girls he is not what you think he is.  Boys! you too!
I know that this has been covered already, but everyone should know that a "present" is actually a legitimate tool used in strategic votes in Illinois politics, and elsewhere. There have been many in-depth, clear essays written on this in recent days. I suggest the one in Newsweek.
I read rencently that Obama's wife was on the board of Walmart or some company associated with it, in a part time position paying her $50,000 a year.  Prior to Obama announcing his run for president, she resigned the position.  Seems strange Obama would complain about Hillary's association with Walmart when his wife held a similar position.
Wait a minute here, Senator Obama votes present and then he argues that Senator Clinton only had to vote no on a bill, this does seem like a double standard here folks, soemtimes a yes vote is not a vote for the bill if you know the bill won't pass anyway. I think that Obama supporters will believe anything because they somehow believe that one man can do it all in democracy, that is not the case here people.
I also see that when the media has a good story about senator Clinton they are schills but if it is a good story about senator Obama the media is correct.
As I've said before I will vote for my parties nominee, Hillary, John or Barak, I see that Obama supporters want to take their ball home if they don't get their way. Go join the repub party then, that is their way of doing things. The democratic party does not need you, our people are fired up and ready to throw out the party of the rich and special interests. If you cannot see that and will go to McCain then go ahead, we don't like spoiled children, the country will not be in ruins and we will raise again when more hispanics and families hurt by your spitfulness join and vote democrat again.
The future can be now or the future can be later we are patient, you however want all or nothing, in the end you will rue the day you play this childish game.
"I want my cereal NOW mommy."
Someone didn't spank you enough, your lack of emotion control shows a lot of who you really are, a child playing grown up games.
I want to ask some questions, where were your votes when we needed to get rid of Mr. Bush?
Where was your voice when Bush started to speak about invading Iraq?
Do you take the time to write to your senator or congressman?
Have you ever written a complaint and sent it straight to the White House?
Ponder these questions and then let me know where you and your voice have been.
I am sure that when things don't go well when we have a new president that you will do what you did before, nothing!
Let us stop for a minute and think, what is the value of all this back and forth? Do they add any value to the candidates?
These candidates should please focus on the issues. The people care about the issues and who can deliver not on whether the candidates like or hate each other.
Obama:  Just the fact that he said "brother" in a Presidential debate amazes me.  Not to mention the questionable response he gave when asked if Bill Clinton was the first Black President...quote"I'd have to see him dance".  I know he was joking, but had any candidate of another color made a generalization about an entire race like that, they'd have been crucified in the media.  Today....NOTHING.  At the very least it was uncouth and completely inappropriate for that setting.  Not to mention, the thought of him handling negotiations w/ China in dealing w/ our technology or a potential nuclear standoff in the middle east is pretty terrifying considering he gets flustered when someone "questions his voting record".  GIVE ME A BREAK!  You want to be the President and you can't handle that?  Scary

And Hillary, she behaved like a spoiled brat who had been told she isn't going to get what she wants.  Many of you before me are right...Hillary cares about one thing...Hillary

Trust me people...Nancy Pelosi is a disaster as it is and the least effective Speaker of the House we've ever seen.  Why?  She's divisive.  You want real problems in this country, vote another Liberal into the Oval office and just see where we are in 5 years.  We can't afford it!  And for the liberals who hate me for this email, I'll ask you one simple question:

Are you willing to give up everything you've worked hard for so someone that hasn't can have it?

Just curious.

We all deserve a better life and a chance to be able to give back at our own volition to those w/ less.

Vote McCain.  He'll give us that chance.
Obama spanked Clinton so good last night ! She knows she is in big trouble , thats why she went running off behind closed doors after the debate to suck up to Edwards.

America knows who the Clintons are and what there about. Bill needs to go to his girl friends house until this is over.
I voted and volunteered for Bill Clinton and thought he was a really good President.  I have been very saddened by his un-hinged behavior the last few weeks.  It seems his attitude changed once it became clear that Obama posed a real threat.  It is one thing to be supportive of your spouse, it is quite another to blatantly lie about her opponent.  I have yet to see Bill tell me shy I should vote for Hillary, just reasons I shouldn't vote for Obama.  Can't he think of any reasons to vote for her?  If she can't control Bill, do you really think she can control the White House, Congress, etc.?  Will Hugo Chavez make her cry?  I'll take hope over the so-called "experience" that Hillary claims to have.  That's just the kind of "experience" we don't need.
Hillary cannot win. The republicans will put bill Clinton on trial for everything that he did in the 90’s. This will rally the republican base and turnoff the democratic base. And many on this blog and in the democratic party will soon have buyers remorse.


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