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The battle in Boca

Posted: Friday, January 25, 2008 9:26 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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The Miami Herald: “With just five days to go before Florida's do-or-die Republican primary, Thursday's nationally televised debate could have been a bloodbath. Instead, it was more like a Rotary Club forum, with rivals doling out compliments and only the occasional polite disagreement. When the candidates posed questions to their rivals, they tossed Nerf balls.”

Video: Watch the entire MSNBC Republican debate.

“Even the legendarily combative Rudy Giuliani, who has slipped to third place in Florida polls, declined to tear down John McCain or Mitt Romney, the duo wrestling for first place. The docile Republican forum at Florida Atlantic University stood in stark contrast to the most recent Democratic debate, in which Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama traded barbs.”

The New York Times: "It was not exactly the kind of knock-down, drag-out fight that has characterized past Republican debates. Most of the candidates agreed that the economic stimulus plan being considered in Washington was a good first step but also said it should include permanent tax cuts."

The Washington Post: "The mostly civil forum came at a critical moment in the muddled GOP competition, and the five remaining candidates appeared eager to avoid some of the sharper differences that have sparked tough exchanges. Instead, they played it safe and were often cordial to one another five days before Florida's primary election, which could end one or more candidacies."

Politico's Martin notes McCain got help on stage from both Giuliani and Huckabee. 

L.A. Times: "The five candidates touched on religion, natural disasters and war, but nothing aroused their passion quite so much as their mutual distaste for the prospect of Hillary Rodham Clinton and Bill Clinton returning to the White House."

The Boston Globe: “The debate at Florida Atlantic University hosted a five-man field that appeared to have taken a mutual vow to stay civil and even complimentary of one another. While the Romney and McCain campaigns released TV ads last night attacking each other, on stage, the men kept their remarks conciliatory.”

“If there was a winner, it was likely Romney, who seemed to counter each punch and even got off a few zingers of his own. Asked how he would run against both Bill and Hillary Clinton if he were the nominee, Romney enthused, ‘I frankly can't wait, because the idea of Bill Clinton back in the White House with nothing to do is something I just can't imagine.’”

The New York Daily News’ Goodwin on last night’s debate: “Giuliani, in a political funk for the past two months, put on a solid performance to keep his hopes alive. While he wasn't spectacular or dramatic, he was comfortable, forceful and precise with his answers. He was as good on the economy, immigration and the danger of Islamic terror as McCain and Romney.” Goodwin also writes that the topic of the Times editorial also likely helped him.

Human Events' Rubin notes: "McCain emerged unscathed. Romney had perhaps his best debate performance, largely because his opponents avoided attacking him… As for Huckabee, it soon became apparent that he is running hard -- for McCain’s VP. He defended McCain on the question as to whether he was too old and used his question to go after Romney’s gun rights record as Massachusetts governor. Otherwise, he was a minor figure in the debate, offering up notions like a highway project to stimulate the economy that are unlikely to broaden his appeal with the GOP electorate."

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Did any newspaper come out this morning with the headline of-'The Republican cadidates endorse Clinton as the Democratic Nominee'?
a bunch of losers
The debate looked like, the "senior center" at Boca DelVista. I wonder how much "prune juice" they had ?
Another article with no mention of Dr. Ron Paul who was on the stage but only allowed to speak a few times in the whole "debate"!  Thinking Americans, wake up!  The mainstream media is completely manipulating this election process by limiting the exposure of some candidates (Ron Paul) and not allowing them to speak in equal time as the media darling candidates the so called "front runners".  Let's demand equality in this election process!  Do we really want the media owned by huge corporations choosing our next president?  Google Ron Paul then do your own research & consider what's best for our country not just the establishment elites.  Go Ron Paul!  The People's Choice & Hope for America.
See what Msnbc thought of the debate and who they heard the democrats are most scared of....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6si_SSWKwI
I watched the debates, and I somewhat agree with the above poster about the lack of Ron Paul coverage, both in the debate and in the media.  I am not a die hard Ron Paul fan, but I do agree with his perspective on several key issues.  The thing that is most troubling to me about this whole process, is what it says about the future of our political system and our country, when one candidate is completely given a different treatment than the others.  
During Thursday's Republican debate, moderator Tim Russert asked the candidates: Was the war in Iraq a good idea and has it been worth the blood and treasure we have lost. Can't believe that these individuals have the audacity to hold this position when the majority of America has gone negative on the war.

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Who_Won_the_MSNBC_Republican_Debate_in_Florida

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Romney was the clear winner last night.  I especially like the contrast between him and huckabee as governer.

Huckabee, in 10.5 years as governor:
started with 250Mil deficit
ended with 850 mil surplus
raised taxes by 500 mil

Romney in 4 years as governor
Started with 3 Billion deficit
ended with 2 Billion surplust
raised fees 230 mil

There is no question, Huckabee may be good, Romney is oh so much better.

McCain still came off as a one trick poney who only knows security.  I laughed out loud when Ron Paul asked him the economic question and it was very clear McCain did not even know what he was talking about.  
Say Senator McCain, I think you left your hearing aid at debate last night. Please come to the "Boca DelVista Phase II Senior Center " to claim it. Also, please bring an ID.
Memo to the Republican Party: "Bring It On " !
GOP debate. Please! It was like not having to take Sominex to fall asleep. It was a free for all against Hillary. Rudy your days are numbered. Good-by, solong, go pander and make millions pretending your a national security expert. Go hook up with buddy Kerik again.                    
The neocons are for the war machine,the pentagon,Halliburton,Blackwater,big corporations.Bit by bit they are selling off Iraq to the highest bidder.The Iraqi people have no say in the overthrow of their country.The smartest have fled the country.Gee I wonder why we are so hated just because we take over countries and their assets and kill off those that disagree with our methods.The best thing that has happened in the Bush regime is that the corruption,liars and despots have been revealed.Course our congress says and does nothing because they are spineless.
I was disappointed in Senator McCain's non-response to Ron Paul's question about economics.  Because McCain did not understand Ron's question, he proceeded to list each and every name on his economic advisor's list to portray himself as a competent leader.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  McCain does not understand the economic world, and he was lying when he protested Russert's question about calling himself weak on the economy.  He has frequently admitted his weakness in this area.
One more note....the New York Times endorsed McCain this week....the most liberal newspaper in the states!
McCain will bring us to WWIII.  He's a war monger.  Don't vote for him...

Vote Hillary 2008...she saved her marriage...she can save our nation!
I lived in Massachusetts when Mitt Romney was gov...would never vote for him but...if you had never watched him close up, he gave a great debate performance last night. Plus, Russert asked him 3 questions in a row(what's that all about?)giving him lots of extra air time.
Underestimate Mitt at your peril...
Was the attacking of Hillary Clinton legit, or are they trying to tap into the democrats fear of electability?? Are the trying to get the dems to select Obama who would be beatable by everyone on the Rep. side?
"The Death of Salesmen" a new revised literary publication brought to you by the Republican Party.
So Gail, are you pro-choice?  Is that why you hated having a conservative governor in Mass.?
I watched the whole repuke debate, and here is my summation. They want to continue the war in Iraq, they like guns, they don't like gays, they like Jesus, they want to do away with social security or modify it to favor the rich, they want to give more tax breaks to corporations and the rich. Can't wait for the general election in November.
Despite the scewed record posted above, the record is clear: Huckabee re-elected twice. Romney booted out after first term!
This Democrat believes Mitt Romney won last night's debate. He was substantive primarily on the economy and how Washington, D.C. has been part of all our problems for far too long.  John McCain (though I admire him and his heroic service to/for our country) symbolizes this and reinforced how the majority of Americans are still against the Iraq war, plus he spoke in generaltities when asked not to. His canned answers and platitudes oversimplified the complex issues we face today and did nothing to sway many of towards him. Were he to be the Republican nominee--especially against Hillary, will have nothign but reruns of negativity.  Mitt Romney highlighted the mess Republicans have made in Washington, plus his attacks on Hillary and Bill remind the nation of all the politics of hate and destruction that has been part of our public discourse for far too long.  Besides, why should the nation get rid of one liar (George Bush)and replace him with two (the Clintons)? Beware, if Hillary Clinton ends up as the Democratic nominee, we will not only have the dirtiest and costliest ever; she will never be able to lead this nation as her negatives are so high and growing higher now after this debate.  Bill Clinton's Monica Lewinsky's sexcapades in the White House will re-surface, and this senior and retired teacher does not to re-live that mess.  The majority of Americans are fed up with the whole lot of them in D.C.  This lifelong Democrat does not want to go back to the 90's, nor do I want a Clinton co-presidency.  Bill and Hillary have become part of the problem, and only Barack Obama can put out the fires of division.  Let's turn the page for good and focus on a dynamic, fresh leadership for the 21st century.  I believe only Barack Obama can take this nation forward, solve problems here at home, and re-introduce the U.S. to the world.  Barack Obama is our true hope for success now--WE, THE PEOPLE must choose this once-in-a-generation inspirational leader because we must heal our wounds now!
Once again Ron Paul was not given the same opportunity to speak as the other candidates. I cannot believe this is happening in America! I feel like I am watching debates in Latin America, where I am from. What are the Media, Corporate America and the Other Candidates so afraid of? I agree with Ron Paul 100%. I hope Americans wake up, what's going on is shameful!
STOP INSULTING SOLDIERS and people who FIGHT WARS>BATTLE OF THE BULGE BATTLE F KIRKUK BATTLE OF GETTYSBURG ,come on you went to school MSNBC use the word correctly .I remember after 911 the announcers saying now we are at war we have to choose are words better football isnt going to war politicions dont battle the campaign they beg they berate but they dont battle.
Mitt clearly won the debate last night and will win Florida next Tuesday. There are plenty of articles that talk about how the debate lacked fireworks, but frankly I was pleased to see that they were playing more as a team and not making useless jabs at each other. Mitt was really the only one who had to deal with really tough questions and he handled them well. When it all comes down to it, it is his family values that make me believe he will be the best for this country. I was saddened to learn about the way John McCain handled the situation with his first wife and of his affair during a time when his wife had been in a horrible car accident. McCain talks a lot about commitment to his country, but how can he be committed to his country when he can't even be committed to his own wife? Romney has stuck with his wife and family through thick and thin: Romney for President!
ROLAND ,AS I said why the 90s 100 gas world standing no BUSH how can any real democraT SAY THEY LIKE THIS LAST 8 YEARS COMPARED TO THE 90S A MATTER OF FACT i WILL BET REPUCKERS DID BETTER IN THE 90S TOO, YOU SIR SHOULD CHANGE PARTY AFFILIATIONS TO PUCKER PARTY.please refudiate this .
Ruthie I guess you equate anything conservative with life and compassion which under Bush has been anything but. Last 8 years has been war, death, lying, destruction, deficits, HATE, corporate greed with massive profits with record debt for consumers and now recession. Look up the word liberal in the dictionary and conservative and than get back with me. This country can not endure a Romney like panderer, millioniare and son of a former governor. We have been their done that. If you call that change we are in big trouble!
Roland Madore, Fort Collins, CO  

Your opinions are DEAD ON regarding the debate and Obama.  I would even add the McCain's "white flag of surrended" garbage line will be hung around his neck like a 1000lbs. weight for months to come.  It was insulting to the MAJORITY of Americans who see this war as a mistake.  I'm not saying leave tomorrow, but certainly not in 10 years!!!
Ron Paul Unveils a REAL Economic Stimulus Plan

1. Tax Reform: Reduce the tax burden and eliminate taxes that punish investment and savings, including job-killing corporate taxes.

2. Spending Reform: Eliminate wasteful spending. Reduce overseas commitments. Freeze all non-defense, non-entitlement spending at current levels.

3. Monetary Policy Reform: Expand openness with the Federal Reserve and require the Fed to televise its meetings. Return value to our money.

4. Regulatory Reform: Repeal Sarbanes/Oxley regulations that push companies to seek capital outside of US markets. Stop restricting community banks from fostering local economic growth
The comprehensive economic revitalization plan is available online at: http://www.RonPaul2008.com/Prosperity.

The four areas that the plan covers are:

1. Tax Reform: Reduce the tax burden and eliminate taxes that punish investment and savings, including job-killing corporate taxes.

2. Spending Reform: Eliminate wasteful spending. Reduce overseas commitments. Freeze all non-defense, non-entitlement spending at current levels.

3. Monetary Policy Reform: Expand openness with the Federal Reserve and require the Fed to televise its meetings. Return value to our money.

4. Regulatory Reform: Repeal Sarbanes/Oxley regulations that push companies to seek capital outside of US markets. Stop restricting community banks from fostering local economic growth.

Congressman Paul has written or co-sponsored numerous bills to enact the policies in his plan. In Congress, he has been a champion of lower taxes and limited government.

Congressman Paul is the ranking member on the House Financial Services Committee's Subcommittee on Domestic and International Monetary Policy, Trade, and Technology. In Congress, Dr. Paul has never voted for a tax increase or for an unbalanced budget.
Even Ron Paul bested McCain last night.  That's gotta hurt.
Ruthie, wasn't Romney pro-choice when he was Governor?
Romney was pro-life while he was Governor.  Check his voting record for details.  It was while he ran for Kennedy's senate seat that he was pro-choice.  He changed his mind later in about 2001 or 2002.  I respect that--and so do millions of other Americans that have changed their minds even under much criticism.
"McCain emerged unscathed" ???? what kind of reporting is this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu-tg1kQ8dk
A typical liberal reporter who doesn't truly understand Romney's appeal to conservatives--here are the issues:

1. His stance on illegal immigration.  McCain attempted to grant amnesty.

2. His stance on the economy.  Mitt outclasses every candidate on both sides and will provide the middle class with tax cuts, and slash the ridiculous corporate taxes stifling business growth.  McCain is a joke on this issue and admitted he does not understand the economy.

3. His stance on energy independence.  Mitt understands the substantial investment required to develop clean, efficient energy resources but he is not going to punish the US by not drilling oil and refining gas--oil production in Alaska will not only be key to reduce gas prices for every American citizen, but will further boost the economy by providing an abundance of well-paying jobs.  Remember the 80's?  Again, McCain is an ignorant liberal on this isue.

Romney will handily defeat the Clintons in 08'
What was the story with the whisper "he raised taxes" after Russert asked Romney if he would follow Reagan in raising taxes to save Social Security?
Mitt Romney is the only choice.  He is the only conservative and he understands the economy.  I heard someone on MSNBC say that watching the debate was like watching a group of people talk about brain surgery and Mitt Romney was the only surgeon on stage.  It is obvious that if you want a strong economy and are sick and tired of the current government- VOTE MITT!!
Once again, Ron Paul was the only candidate speaking in concrete terms rather than abstractions and fantasy.

Once again, establishment media is ignoring him in the hope that he'll simply go away.

Nevertheless, the good doctor is holding his ground despite the entrenched opposition... http://truthalert.net/Republican%20Presidential%20Candidate%20Rankings.htm
Once again, Ron Paul was the only candidate speaking in concrete terms rather than abstractions and fantasy.

Once again, establishment media is ignoring him in the hope that he'll simply go away.

Nevertheless, the good doctor is holding his ground despite the entrenched opposition... http://truthalert.net/Republican%20Presidential%20Candidate%20Rankings.htm
As far as John McCain and his answer on Economics, he proved one again that he will be a great President, All Presidents since Washington have surrounded themselves with people from areas of experience in many different fields. That is why there is a cabinet. No one person can have all the knowledge of all the facets of a nation like ours. He said, very correctly, that he would gather experienced people and give them the job of sorting through problems, but as Harry Truman says, "the buck stops here". Advice and consent are two very important parts of success. Do you honestly think Mitt Romney know anything about the Military? Dou think  he knows anything about the way Congress works or doesn't work. He has not been there, John has. John McCain is the only person that can beat Hillary. Please do not allow Mitt to buy the oval office. With his money he is trying to do just that.
The debate was like watching wall paper dry. Boring.  They have nothing new to say.  The same old lies, The American people voted in 2006.  We do not support this Civil War.  The Bush Administration has brought this Country to its knees.  Monday in the Senate they will vote on a new FISA Bill. Bush wants the telephone Companies of ATNT and Bell to get Aministy for the illegal wire tapping on the American People.  Write your Senators and tell them to give us back our Liberties that Bush has taken with his Excutive Priviledge.  Jan 20 2009 I will cheer from my door as this the WORST President American has ever had, steps out of the White House to face the Shame on his Family Name for ruining our Country.  Bush and Cheney should be tried for War Crimes against humanity.
Romney is ahead in the polls here in MASS,.....couldn't have been that bad of a GOVERNOR!
Romney's economic record from the Club for Growth;
2003 - refused to endorse Bush tax cuts
2003 - open to a federal gas tax hike
2004 - $259 million in fee hikes
2004 - $128 million in so-called tax loophole closures
2005 - $70 million in fee hikes
2006 - $170 million in proposed fee hikes reduced to $85 million due to backlash from business
2007 - Proposed state budget with a hefty 10.12% increase

$627 million in proposed fee hikes w/ $542 million passing

Romney is being a bit dishonest - while it is true that he may have left a $2B rainy day fund (I only find reference to $1.2B) that has nothing to do with the budget deficit.

He inherited $1.6B deficit (it was projected at $3B)
Raised fees by $542M
Left a $440M surplus

He gets kudos for slashing spending, but let's not kid ourselves about the difference between taxes and fees.  I find his dishonesty a little too much to take.
I have voted Republican my entire life.  I am conservative through and through, but if it ends up being a McCain-Huckabee ticket, I will have to abandon the GOP.  
By the way -
Gail: I also lived in MA during Romney's term.  He was an amazing governor and fought hard for conservative principles.

Terrence: Romney decided not to run for re-election.  He would have been easily re-elected.
To Amy B:
No, Romney wasn't pro-choice as governor.  He was pro-choice many years ago when he ran for Senate.
While I don't think Ron Paul is electable, I do think his positions have more basis in reality than the frontrunners'.  We cannot spend our way out of a deficit and he was the only candidate on that stage who has the courage to say that.  The others continue to spout "make the tax cuts permanent", "cut more taxes" and "spend more money" because that's what their Republican constituents want to hear.  No one wants to hear that we have to bite the bullet and start cutting spending.  Making the tax cuts permanent, cutting more taxes and spending more money hurts the little guys and helps the big guys.  Wake up, America.  Even if you won't consider Paul as a candidate, at least listen to him.


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