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That taxes whisper

Posted: Friday, January 25, 2008 4:16 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC’s Domenico Montanaro
EDITOR’S NOTE: There has been a lot of confusion over a whispered moment from last night’s debate -- someone saying what we believe was “not raise taxes” after a question from Tim Russert on Reagan and social security. We put the following post up last night immediately following what we and several First Read commenters heard.

For full disclosure, the way it works for us when we’re liveblogging is our contributors, who are either on site at the location or in D.C. or elsewhere, will usually send me posts via e-mail. While I am watching the debate, I read the dispatches, post if applicable after quickly editing and put up my own thoughts. Regular e-mail questions get mixed in sometimes. I put this one up, but when I did, Lauren Appelbaum wrote me and said it was not necessarily intended to be a post but actually just a question to me if I knew who made the "taxes" comment. Being in South Carolina, following the Democrats for their primary and not on site in Florida, I didn’t know. We thought it might have simply been our control room cueing a question, which then didn’t seem to warrant a post, since that would be very inside baseball. So, I took it down.

After some of the confusion today, we are putting it back up for those that haven’t seen it. As far as figuring out the mystery of who or where it came from, that is being worked on, and we hope to have an answer soon. It puzzled us here too, and we’re looking through tape of other candidates to see if it was one of them. We’ll let you know. Here's the original post:

The taxes whisper
From NBC’s Lauren Appelbaum and NBC/NJ’s Erin McPike

After Russert asked Romney the question on Reagan -- “Will you do for social security what Ronald Reagan did in 1983?” -- there is an audible statement in just one channel of audio saying “not raise taxes.”

Then Romney says “I’m not going to raise taxes…”

First Read commenters also noticed this -- where did this come from?

*** UPDATE *** After reviewing the tapes, NBC determined that an open mic picked up a whisper from the audience. It is unclear who it is that says it, but it was not said by any of the candidates, was not heard in the hall and, more importantly, not heard by the candidates.

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huh?
When was it in the debate? Some audiophiles can possibly compare it to the voice of Romneys' officials and find out the awnser, but it seems innocent enough, i mean who thought these guys BELIEVED in anything they said?
HA HA HA... You liberals are really making us laugh now... HOW DESPERATE CAN YOU GET?

Are you actually trying to float a theory that he was being "prompted" - is Romney SO brilliant that you can't imagine anyone actually be that smart and off the cuff?

Your suggestion is as pathetic and preposterous as most of the lame stories you print on this page.
For those who are confused (I was too, until I actually watched it again), here is a link to the video clip: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/29644

Peace be with you.
Hmmm...
Maybe it was the ghost of Ronald Reagan!
Maybe there was a second bullet...
Maybe it was that girl who who J.R.!

MAYBE you guys are simply a bunch of fools with too much time on your hands...
Wouldn't doubt him being prompted.  He gets the question, looks intent on listening, and then you hear a whisper saying "raised taxes" with him beginning a sentence, "Well I wouldn't raise taxes."  He then yacks a bit, says nothing, Russert reprompts him, and he again says he wouldn't raise taxes.

Lets be serious here, Romney loves Reagan's name, he doesn't know Reagan's history.
There was also other back channel talking that leaked into the broadcast just as they were going to break/intermission. Someone was commenting on how unbelievable something was and how they couldn't believe it. I interepretted it to be coming from the production trailer and referring to the cordial behavior of the candidates when it was thought that it would be more attack oriented.
Romney WON the debate!

Get over it!
Stop embarrassing yourself with this...  
If you didn't catch it here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NlIMQ31EjY
I don't care who or what told Romney to talk the way he did last night - I  say he won hands down!  He is 10 times smarter financially than McCain (100 x more than Huckabee)!
LOL, you're asking us? Why don't you ask NBC? It was their debate.
Keith -

I watched the debate and it was clear that he was fed.  I am no liberal, this is just the truth.
I thought it was Russert completing the question. It would be funny if not unprecedented. Does anyone remember Dubya's strange "hump" at the debate with Kerry? Dumbya definitely needed the coaching, I wouldn't think Mitt needs any prompting, but I don't put it past any of them to stack the deck in any way possible.
Manchurian Mitt
Here let me help you guys. The video of the mystery voice and Romney's answer can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX3Xc8mA3B4
It was actually a secret audio message from the Sasquatch on Mars.
Hey Keith - you neocons have a lot to laugh about. If "brilliance" were a bench mark, what would right wingers know about it? What you learned from Bush?
Slick Hilly says she's for tax reductions.  She's a Democrat so, there's no need to read her lips on that one.  Lowering some taxes will probably be paid for by raising others which, raises the issue of what taxes she'll raise, probably business taxes that'll stiffle job creation and make people's jobs less stable than they were before.  This is speculation but, she is a Democrat after all.
I saw this on youtube earlier. What is that whisper?? I thought perhaps it was the moderators or another candidate? If it was Romney getting prompted WOW!
When I heard that I thought it was just one of the other candidates.  I sure didn't see anything conspiratorial in it and I still don't (and I'm about as liberal as you can get).  
I believe I was the first to post a message about this, maybe 2-3 mins after it happened (after I tivo'd it to make sure).  I posted under the "Mitt's Bill Swipe" blog - at 10:23pm was when I posted.

Anyway, I have a rather amazing sound system with incredible clarity, so I heard this "whisper" rather clearly. Another poster said it might have been Russert whispering to Brian Williams.  So I dont know where it came from, but a whisper was DEFINITELY there clear as day with a good quality sound system.

After watching it again a few times, I dont think it eminated from Romney, but the words were exact duplicate of his answer about .5 seconds later.  It occurred just as Huckabee finished a question and Romney was asked about Reagan's SS fix, and would have occurred after about 10:15 EST based on my post at 10:23 after reversing tivo a few times to make sure I wasnt crazy.  I tried email MSNBC separately but heard nada back.
I heard it and I really think it sucks.  Would this be considered cheating, unethical or just more of the same crap from politicians?
Be careful what you're saying. Digital cross-channel frequency interruption would only allow (given probabalistic algorithms) for a few seconds of audible noise over one or the other channel. Are you saying those few seconds were just enough for what we heard of a possible Romney operative feeding answers to our *future president*?
It was from Karl Rove on the grassy knoll. Obviously.
I think we're hearing McCain next to him.  I think he goes around saying "raise taxes" all the time.  it's like a turrets tick or something
Uh...to the people painting this as a conspiracy theory, all you have to do is LISTEN to the clip and hear the voice yourself.  MSNBC wouldn't be posting this and admitting they have no idea what went on if it were something ridiculous.  Furthermore, you don't have to take my word for it, because you can listen for yourself and trust your ears.  It's there, it's strange, and so far it is entirely unexplainable in a way that meshes with popular conception of a debate.
I absolutely heard this as well and even rewound to make sure I wasn't mistaken. "He raised taxes." Why would someone else answer the question?  So I have a problem believing it was a cueing problem with your station. Not to mention, he spouted off with that answer almost without letting the question be asked in it's totality:

The whisper was "he raised taxes".
I could not agree with Keith of south bend more...pathetic attempts...are you supposed to report the news?
I think also if you play the entire debate backwards you might hear McCain say "rudy is dead"!
I absolutely heard this as well and even rewound to make sure I wasn't mistaken. Not to mention, he came off with that answer almost without allowing the question to be asked in it's entirety.


Watch the moment for yourself.  Personally, I think Mitt Romney had an ear piece and was getting help from advisors.  This is a huge scandal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NlIMQ31EjY
There was another occasion when they were getting ready to go to a break when you could here people talking when they thought the mike was off, and I believe that was coming from the commentators or someone directly behind them.  It got my attention because they said something like “Oh my God I don’t believe that!” or some similar statement that made my ears perk up for a second.  I don’t believe it was any big conspiracy to send answers to Romney; although that media would love to play that up.
Why don't you folks print the actual phrase?
"raise taxes"
that was what was said.  adding the "not" is filtering and another reason why the MSM and MSNBC is NOT to be trusted.
For heaven sakes people.  If Romney was wearing an earpiece or someone was backstage whispering to him, don't you think McCain (who was standing right next to him) would have noticed and said something?!  McCain would love a freebee opportunity to dig at Romney.  They weren't right by a curtain where an aid could hide, they were in the middle of the stage.  The "whisper" could have come from anywhere.  Cool it with the conspiracy/cheating theory... your ignorance and bias is showing through.  Romney hasn't been considered a debate winner in awhile (and has never been the media favorite), so the fact that he was clearly the best last night must really irk some of you.  Get over it.  For the record, I think McCain did well too... except his obvious gaffs over the economy...
It's more then just 'not raise taxes'  The whisper also says 'I don't want to' which is harder to hear since he talks over it a bit.
It is a whisper and the tone is not his if you are thinking some time delay played a role.

Also - if he was innocent he would have laughed it off by now vs going silent.  It's too late now to come out laughing it off.

Also remember msnbc scrubbed this out from their playbacks.

Someone will iso this and we will find out.  Watch out Romney this could be your Howard Dean whhoooooooooo moment!!

Go Ron Paul!
I think we need to be demanding an answer from Mitt's campaign. He obviously heard it and repeated it immediately. If it was Russert, or Brian Williams, fine, but Mitt was aware of it. As soon as the question was asked, he paused, heard the whisper, then answered what the whisper said. We need answers from the Romney campaign, not MSNBC.

We're barking up the wrong tree. This is all about Mitt, not MSNBC.

Something smells bad in all of this, and I'm not sure if it's Mitt's cheating in the debate (if he was, that is) or MSNBC's knee jerk reaction to pull a posting about what is an obvious news story of interest. When was the last time one of these Bozos waited for the story to play out completely before getting a lead write-through out? The answer is, it doesn't happen.

Mitt's Magic Ear Piece: http://criminalthoughts.com/2008/01/25/30/

Follow-up: http://criminalthoughts.com/2008/01/25/romneys-faux-pas-take-2/
If Romney is being prompted, as it clearly seems to be then it is news and deserves to be reported
ridiculous.  how would he have been prompted so that it went into the microphone?  you guys are crazy?  just explain how in the world that would have happened?  It could have come from the audience or Brian Williams.  There's another part of the debate where they're going to commercial and Tim and Brian are talking as they zoom out as if their mics are off when they weren't.  C'mon MSNBC...let's get real and play fair.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was Brian Williams asking Russert to clarify that the question was about raising taxes. It makes sense, because soon after Russert does rephrase the question by talking about "payroll taxes".

Maybe somebody should ask Brian Williams or Tim Russert?
How does MSNBC explain the SECOND whisper during Romney's speech of the word "support" then later on in the debate?
Sorry, but clearly Romney was being scripted to say things a certain way so that when the media replays these clips, they get pristine buzz phrases that poll well in favor of Romney.  The "not raise taxes" and "do not support new legislation" (from the second whispered phrase not mentioned here) are perfectly polished phrases for the media to manipulate people with.
Ron Paul receives the same prompts, except the voices are in his head.
If he was being coached why is nothing else heard or picked up?
WILL THE REAL GHOST WHISPERER PLEASE COME FORWARD?

all they need to do is to publically ask the person who 'whispered' to please come forward. that will explain who did it, where it came from, and clear up all of the conspiracy theories. surly, this person is somewhere thinking...'hey, i said that! opps!'. give them an reward or something for incentive.
Now MSNBC is telling us that the whisper came from an "open mic" which picked up a whisper from an audience member.  There is no way a lapel mike would have been sensitive to pick up a WHISPER from an audience member sitting at least eight feet away. If you believe that, I've got some swamp land in Florida I'd like to sell you.
By the look on Romney's face he was being coached
body language really suchs
People just remember one thing who died in the tunnel
who could've close the tunnel when he knew about it
and why blame the judge he hired Hmmmmmm  it can make you think that he might run the U.S.A. (((OH GOD NO)))
Man oh man...

Don't you people have anything else better to do than worry about a complete non story?

Sheesh...


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