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Clinton camp plays up Florida

Posted: Saturday, January 26, 2008 4:02 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Mark Murray
Earlier today in previewing the South Carolina contest, we asked if the Clinton campaign would once again win the expectations game -- after surprising everyone (including themselves) by winning New Hampshire and casting themselves as the underdogs in Nevada, despite leading in every poll there but one.

Well, they're giving it their best shot. "The Obama campaign has been so confident of winning South Carolina that six months ago they flatly predicted victory in the Palmetto State," Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson writes in a memo. "Cornell Belcher, Senator Obama’s pollster, stated explicitly to the Politico on July 25, 2007, 'We are going to outright win South Carolina.' And today, Senator Obama leads by 12, according to the Real Clear Politics average of polls taken in South Carolina over the last 10 days."

Then Wolfson says this: "Regardless of today’s outcome, the race quickly shifts to Florida, where hundreds of thousands of Democrats will turn out to vote on Tuesday. Despite efforts by the Obama campaign to ignore Floridians, their voices will be heard loud and clear across the country, as the last state to vote before Super Tuesday on February 5th. This remains a delegate fight, with 1,681 delegates at stake on February 5th, and 2,025 needed to secure the nomination -- and we are ahead in that fight."

In fact, Obama actually leads the delegate race so far. Also, the Democratic National Committee stripped Florida of ALL of its delegates to the Democratic convention after it moved up its contest before February 5. So the Florida Democratic contest -- no matter how many people turn out to vote there -- will not award a single delegate.

“It should not be surprising given recent events that the Clinton campaign would in one breath say the election is about winning delegates and then tout their success in states that don’t award any delegates in the next breath," Obama spokesman Bill Burton says in a statement. "The DNC has made clear that the winner of the contest in Florida will not receive any delegates, so the next step in this nominating process is February 5th. If the Clinton campaign's southern strength rests on the outcome in a state where they're the only ones competing, that should give Democrats deep pause."

Burton added, “Again, no one is more disappointed that Florida and Michigan Democrats will have no role in selecting delegates for the nomination of the party’s standard bearer than Senator Obama, but he looks forward to vigorously competing for their votes in the general election.”

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Obama Backers Drop Hints About Edwards
"Illinois Democrats close to Sen. Barack Obama are quietly passing the word that John Edwards will be named attorney general in an Obama administration," according to Robert Novak.

The appointment of Edwards "would please not only the union leaders supporting him for president but organized labor in general. The unions relish the prospect of an unequivocal labor partisan as the nation's top legal officer."

"In public debates, Obama and Edwards often seem to bond together in alliance against front-running Sen. Hillary Clinton. While running a poor third, Edwards could collect a substantial bag of delegates under the Democratic Party's proportional representation. Edwards then could try to turn his delegates over to Obama in the still unlikely event of a deadlocked Democratic National Convention."
spin, more spin, much more spin. Cheap spin. Anyway spin it spin. God help us if the Clintons win.
Obama doesnt lead so far in delegates. HILLARY DOES! CHECK YOUR SOURCES AGAIN! Hillary has the most super delegates. GO TO CNN OR AP FOR ACCURATE SOURCE.
This is BY FAR the most dirty, ridiculous thing the Clintons have done so far.  This is the nail in the coffin.  Americans aren't dumb enough to fall for this -- and the media should be crucified if they don't call the Clintons on this BS.
Clinton campaign is making robo calls today attacking John Edwards.  From the call:

"Before you vote on Saturday, you should know that John Edwards voted for permanent trade relations with China. That’s right, John Edwards voted for the bill that cost thousands of jobs. Like the ones in the textile mills he talks about so much down here."

Of course, they fail to mention that Bill Clinton is the one who signed the China bill into law!  

Have they no shame!!  How can any democrat support this type of crap?
The last time Clinton ran in a state with no competition, she lost over forty percent of the vote to "uncommitted", including over SIXTY percent of African American votes.

The fact is that Clinton wants to be the only one competing in a state, a fifty-something percent showing is PATHETIC; she had better be able to get three quarters of the vote in Florida, or she hardly seems much like a strong nominee the Democrats can coalesce around.  After all, what kind of candidate can claim to be strong in the general election and not even get 75% of the vote when essentially uncontested in a primary?
Ouch.  If the Clintons win this expectations game, it will just show that they still have the media in their pocket.  There's no other way to explain how anyone could look at that exchange and think the Clintons have anything close to a winning argument.
The robo calls sound like obama written all over them.  obama doesn't have the delegates nor experience to be president.  Clinton has the experience and most delegates at this time.  Kinda presumptuous of obama creating a cabinet when the fact is he will never win the general if he is nominated.
Just wanted to let the Mormons here know that a member of the Community of Christ (RLDS), the second largest Mormon church, was on Bill Clinton's cabinet and may be on slick Hilly's if she's elected as well.
This has gone WAY too far. Come on, America.  Wake up.
Disgusting.  They knew all along that they would try to wrangle everyone into saying, "yeah, why don't we just count Michigan and Florida.  It would be so unfair to those states if their votes didn't count."

What a joke.
It just goes on and on.   Anything to win.  So tiresome.  It hurts our party.  Please Mr/Ms Clinton, whichever one of you actually is running for president, STOP THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR PARTY.
For those that support Clinton....be careful what you wish for.  If she is the nominee you will be looking at the Whitehouse for the next 4 years from the outside.  I have NEVER voted Republican and ALWAYS voted Democrat.  But if Clinton is the nominee I will not vote for another Clinton term.  I know I am not the only Democrat that feels that way and I am sure that I am not the only Independent.  Watch us pi$$ away this election. Sigh
I say America should cut the Clintons out quickly! They almost seem scary...let never speak straight, sorta gives one a headache. Does Amerca want 4 YEARS of THIS?
Sarah, Why would Obama do such a robo-call in a state that his him leading by 12 to 15 pts?  THINK!
Sarah... Go to the Politico website.  The calls are paid for by for by Hillary Clinton for President Campaign.

These are same types of dirty tricks that Clinton pulled in NH against Obama.  For example, the NH mailer questioning Obama's pro-choice record on the eve of the primary.  And if you have any questions about Obama's commitment to choice (he has a 100% pro-choice voting record by planned parenthood) I'll direct you to the statement put out by the natiional president of NARAL and the letter of apology put out by one of the signers of the NH mailer saying she was misled by the Clinton campaign about Obama's record.

Interesting that the Clintons are setting up a win of the Democrate nomination through the courts first legal action in Nevada and now setting up leagal action to win in Michigan and Flordia even though the others aren't on the ballot.  It would be sad and probably a major backlash to the Democrate nominee if this continues.  The Clintons will do or say anything to win.
Won't it be a sad day in politics (and potential loss of support) if the decision of who the nomination is by Super Delgates than by the people.
WHAT A PROUD DAY IN AMERICA IT WILL BE WHEN WE CAN SAY I VOTED FOR PERSON THAT PROVED THEY COULD PLAY THE DIRTIST,HATEFULL AND UGLY CAMPAIGN EVER RUN AND CAME OUT ON TOP!CALL ME SILLY I WANT TO VOTE FOR A GOOD AND DECENT PERSON!
GO OBAMA!!

I AM NOT EVEN GOING TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT THE CLINTONS HAVE TO SAY ANYMORE. I AM TIRED OF ALL THEIR SPIN!

GO OBAMA!
And it's the same dirty tricks they tried in Iowa trying to paint Obama as anti-choice.  I've been a Democrat longer than an Obama supporter and I am pleading with the Clinton supporters to please realize that we may LOSE the November election if Hillary is the nominee.  Imagine the Supreme Court makeup after another four years of a GOP in the White House.  I swear to God Hillary supporters, you will be about as welcome as a Florida Nader voter if we nominate her and lose the November elections.  Please come to your senses and smell the political reality!!
Hillary's touting a win Florida, is like a baseball team touting wins in March.

If this doesn't tell you everything you need to know about Hillary, I don't know what will. I guess if she's president we can expect her to do and say whatever is politically advantageous.
Gee why have we never heard this kind of spin on the delegate counts before.  the O'bama-slanted MSNBC actually has it rather than the states won (which is usually the case) on their front web-page.  Why, because Hillary has won the most states.  Another obvious display of bias and the help-O'bama all we can tactics.  And why don't they put the TRUE delegate count out there--in truth, the delegate count 236 for HILLARY and 154 for O'bama (see realclearpolitics.com) as superdelegates should be counted as well if you're going to make such an issue about it.  I tell you what, if we have another person winning the popular vote and not winning the election (or nomination in this case) O'bama would just like Bush.  Sad and not the true winner in the minds of the people.  
The real question is whether or not the country is ready for a woman or black president? Are the Republicans counting on the prejudices of others? If the Democratic convention has a dead lock, I hope Al Gore will step up to the plate.
The real question is whether or not the country is ready for a woman or black president? Are the Republicans counting on the prejudices of others? If the Democratic convention has a dead lock, I hope Al Gore will step up to the plate.
Has there been any polling of Democratic votes on their opinion of Bill antics?  I think Bill Clinton support is dropping fast in the Democratic Party.  It's insulting of the Clintons to think the voters are so stupid..
Delegates do not get alloted until after the primary/caucus. Obama leads Senator Clinton as of today.  
Michael Murray wrote:

<i>Also, the Democratic National Committee stripped Florida of ALL of its delegates to the Democratic convention after it moved up its contest before February 5. So the Florida Democratic contest -- no matter how many people turn out to vote there -- will not award a single delegate. </i>

Yes, that's <i>exactly</i> the message the Obama camp would have you put out.  The reality, though, is that the final decision on whether or not to seat a state's delegation will occur at the convention <i>just like it always does</i> whenever there is a contested delegation, which has been the case numerous times, including several times in recent years.

Michigan DID elect in legal fashion a slate of delegates to the Democratic Convention, and Florida WILL elect its own slate on Tuesday.  Those delegates will show up at the convention and the convention delegates will choose between seating them or spitting in the eye of 2 of the 5 biggest swing states in the country.

What do you think is going to happen?
Am I the only one that has a problem with Sen. Obama touting his Christianity on one hand ,then turns right around and touts his pro-abortion record on the other? I know that abortion is a tough issue, but come on. I would be more comfortable with it if he stood by one or the other. The Clintons have not changed, their politics have always been win at all cost, and truth is only an inconvienience. Maybe you guys have not seen it before, but since they are going after one of your own now you recognize it. Its like the old saying "Don't be mad at me for stinging you, you knew I was a scorpion when you picked me up!"
Kathy, I think the answer to your question is very clear. Of course they think you are stupid, as a matter of fact they are counting on it!!! These tactics have served them very well over the years, why would they change now?
The Clintons are despised by the Republicans and now some democrats. The last year of Clintons in the White House was hell for the. Why would they want to go back there with even more people hating their dirty tricks. It is even worse as the victim this time is what they themselves called a nice guy and a healing and brilliant democratic leader. The sleazy old man was supposed to be the mentor! If McCain is on the Republicans ticket, I see him as a descent man compared to Clintons. People with such behavior should not be rewarded with election.
FACT:  The Clintons cannot run a campaign based on honesty, integrity, and truth.  WHY:  That's because they have NO honesty and integrity and they don't recognize the truth.  They lie and distort things and that becomes their reality. REASON;  They are salivating with the prospect of winning the White House.  They are NOT for "government for the people by the people"  They are ALL for "government for the Clintons and by the Clintons".  

I think the media should begin bringing forward the corruption and scandals, lies, deceit, coverups, and the shame which Bill and Hillary brought to America from their days as governor and first lady in Arkansas and during the Clinton Administration. It is time to rid ourselves of these corrupt, scandalous Clintons once and for all by saying:  "NO, DEFINITELY NOT, NO WAY" to the Clintons!!!  

Hillary and Bill were the King and Queen of "offensive and grossly impromper behavior and conduct which brought shame and disgrace to our Presidency, the White House, the Democratic party, the United States of America, and last but NOT LEAST, the citizens of America.  

During Hillary's campaign, Hillary and Bill are still the Queen and King of "offensive and grossly impromper behavior and conduct which has brought shame,disgrace, and dishonor to our Presidency, the White House, the Democratic party, the United States of America, and last but NOT LEAST, the citizens of America. They have repeatedly maliciously tried to damage Senator Obama's reputation and character by their offensive and grossly improper behavior and by their neverending distortions and downright lies regarding Mr. Obama.  As you can see, Hillary and Bill have not changed at all, how can we expect them to bring change to America???  TRUTH:  CHANGE BEGINS WITH "SELF"!! The Clintons of 2008 are the SAME Clintons of the 1980s and 1990s?  They CANNOT BRING CHANGE TO AMERICA.  
And now the preliminaries are over and we move to the main event. Come Febr 6th we hopefully can all take a deep breath and relax for a while. My prediction is that on Febr 6 Clinton will have the delegates needed for the nomination.
LOL!
LOVE IT! the obamanites are spewing their hatred like it's a FOX News Central. guess what! it did not work before, it won't work again. majority of people in this country don't give a sh*t about what you say. they are too concerned about feeding their families and not defaulting on their mortgages. and who are you to spread all those repugs rumors about Clintons? did not your moan when Florida votes did not count in 2000? you really disgrace your own party with all your comments..
This whole super delegate nonsense should stop. We supposedly live in America where one man equals one vote. This super delegate corruption gives a single public official as much voting power as thousands of regular american citizens. I hope Mr Obama (if he wins the nomination) puts an end to this injustice.
This is BY FAR the most dirty, ridiculous thing the Clintons have done so far.  This is the nail in the coffin.  Americans aren't dumb enough to fall for this -- and the media should be crucified if they don't call the Clintons on this BS.
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John, you obviously mis-judge the how looney the Clinton supports are. And yes, they are that dumb.
Wake up people!!!!  Do some research on Obama.Be an educated voter not a dumb emotional voter. What change has Obama ever brought about but hot air. He talks about change and Washington politics. Research how he scr....d people in his own district in Illinois. Try living without heat. To think the Rizko houses without heat and are run down are only a few blocks away from Obama's mansion bought from his friend Rezko! He really cares about people.(NOT)
What is exactly what Obama meant when he said the Clintons will do and say anything to win and mislead.
Let Clinton supporters select a candidate who misleads and divides the electrate, and they will be proud once Clinton is, if she wins thenomination, routed by the GOP machine. She is a best candidate for those who are dumb enough not to swallow facts and easily misled.
I am so frustrated with the lack of honesty on the part of the Clintons.
If the Democrats choose Hillary as the nominee, they deserve to lose again.  She might be the most despised person in politics today.  

What the hell is up with Bill these days?  I can't believe I actually voted for him twice.  He is one angry SOB.    


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