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Analyzing Edwards' departure

Posted: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 10:52 AM by Mark Murray

From NBC's Mark Murray and Chuck Todd
Today's news that Edwards is dropping out of the race is surprising -- in that he gave every indication he would compete in the February 5 states, and even beyond. He was a man on a mission.

But that mission ends today. While many will attribute Edwards departure to all the attention on Clinton and Obama -- and there has been a lot of attention on those two! -- the fact is that Edwards based his entire candidacy on the first four contests, especially Iowa. And after he finished second in Iowa and third in New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina, he no longer had a realistic path to winning the nomination.

Winning Iowa would have changed all that. In fact, it's worth noting that the two Johns -- Edwards and McCain -- had about the same amount of media attention a month before Iowa. The difference was that McCain was able to win in New Hampshire and South Carolina, which set the stage for last night's Florida victory. (Of course, McCain also benefited by not having the equivalents of a Clinton or an Obama in the GOP field -- say a Jeb Bush or perhaps a Mark Sanford.)

All that said, Edwards and his team ran a fine campaign. They easily won the ideas primary (on health care, poverty). Edwards was an excellent debater. And the candidate displayed a deep passion that we don't see from many politicians nowadays.

But perhaps the biggest hurdle Edwards faced -- and didn't clear -- was that Democratic voters aren't too kind to repeat candidates. Look at what happened to Gephardt four years ago. Or even Biden this year. In fact, it could be an obstacle if Obama doesn't end up the Dem nominee and decides to run four or eight years from now. (Gore was a repeat candidate who won the nomination in '00, but he was the vice president.)

Compare that with a Republican Party that likes to reward repeat candidates: Reagan in '80, Dole in '96, and maybe McCain in '08.

It isn't easy being a Democrat making another presidential bid.

So where does Edwards' support go? In South Carolina, Edwards won white men. Could this become the new swing voting group? Obama does well with white men in general election match-ups, but has seen his support drop among these folks in the primary. Now, if Obama has any shot at beating Clinton, he's going to have to win this key voting bloc. It's rare white guys are considered a swing vote, but in a Clinton vs. Obama race, it appears they will. Obama needs them more than Clinton.

As for an endorsement, some Edwards folks claim anything is possible. But in chats with numerous Edwards partisans, it's pretty clear they'd be shocked if he threw his support to Clinton. So for now, the options appear to be sit or support Obama.

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Hillary said at yearlykos: Lobbyists represent real people

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24pDGQF6UW8

Unlike Edwards she has never apologized for the Iraq war vote

In Edwards's words she represents the status quo
It is what it is. In 2008, the Democrats want either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama to be the nominee. John Edwards was the best of the non-celebrity candidates in a pro-celebrity cycle. I'm down with Obama. Hillary ain't it and never will be it.
You guys in the media are so frustrating.
It's not about race.  It's generational.  In SC alot of those white men picked Obama as second choice and easily won the white men under 40.
You guys have this primary sooooooo wrong.  You need to stop focusing on skin color because no one really cares these days.
This is a generational war.  How are the numbers for these candidates age wise.
Obama gets alot of older voters but, not those 65 and over.  HRC does well there.
Edwards was big with bloggers and unions.  He got alot of the people in those groups.  But, it was not a big enough coalition.
I am very saddened by this news. John and Elizabeth Edwards are just wonderful people. I wish them only the very best. You have been truly magnificent in this campaign.

I will now vote for Barack Obama. In the debates, Edwards and Obama have almost always been more alike in their views than have Edwards and Hillary. I could NEVER vote for Hillary. She has run the sleaziest campaign I have ever seen. Such the opposite of the Edwards campaign.

Again, my very, very best wishes to John and Elizabeth Edwards. You are true patriots.

I will now vote for Barack Obama.
"As for an endorsement, some Edwards folks claim anything is possible. But in chats with numerous Edwards partisans, it's pretty clear they'd be shocked if he threw his support to Clinton. So for now, the options appear to be sit or support Obama."

Based on the accuracy of most of your, "journalism", what's clear is that you all don't know anything more than we do and Edwards supporters will support whoever they want. Your options, Chuck(les) and Co., are narrowing daily, as the walls of inevitability close in despite your best efforts to influence the outcome.
Happy spinning...
"As for an endorsement, some Edwards folks claim anything is possible. But in chats with numerous Edwards partisans, it's pretty clear they'd be shocked if he threw his support to Clinton. So for now, the options appear to be sit or support Obama."

Based on the accuracy of most of your, "journalism", what's clear is that you all don't know anything more than we do and Edwards supporters will support whoever they want. Your options, Chuck(les) and Co., are narrowing daily, as the walls of inevitability close in despite your best efforts to influence the outcome.
Happy spinning...
Very sorry to here John Edwards is dropping out. I felt and still feel that he was the best man for the job. I wish him well and will throw my support towards Barak Obama. I can no longer go by my old screen name, SoCal for Edwards. But I've got a catchy new one
Yay! Barry for 2nd choice. lololololol
Edwards ran a fine campaign. He truly had his heart in this race. He earned my respect and admiration for actually expressing regret for his vote to authorize the war in Iraq.

Democratic voters now have to choose between two candidates. Though I was a big supporter of the Clintons in the 90s, I know that the Republicans would love nothing more than to run against Hillary in November. They know that her high negative ratings would make a Republican victory very likely.

The thought of another Republican president is frightening.  
With Edwards getting out this close to the Feb. 5th primaries I am going out on a limb and suggest a deal has been struck.  Let's see how quick Obama has a statement out about how wonderful Edwards is.  Then tell me this is not a campaign about politics as usual.  You can't surround yourself with the hardest core insiders and claim to want to change them.
Once everyone realizes Obama is just a slogan being propelled by the young and uninformed along with Blacks voting for racial reasons he will fizzle.  Obama will lose to Hillary or the Republicans and it is only a matter of which one comes first.  Sorry, but no experience and no substance behind the hype is not a winner.
WOW!!  Now we can look forward or be disappointed in the next debate  - John will not be there to be the "grown-up"  - hopefully the candidates can stay focus and stop playing the "dozens"!!!
its a sad day for the dems....he was out spent and out financed 6 to 1....he was hated by the media and he didn't like them either, and therefore, he got no media coverage even on the so-called liberal outlets.

its a sorry state of affairs when the candidate with the best democratic platform can't get his fair share of airtime or debate time....he was never at a loss for words to answer ANY question thrown at him and we all have to watch obama duck all the tuff questions and we have to watch the debate hosts toss creampuff questions at obama while putting the other 2 candidates on the defensive....this is a media driven society and its quite clear that the media drove this good democrat from the race....watch them back peddle and play nicey nice tonite on hard ball and countdown!!!!
So, Edwards voters will split between Clinton and Obama...and shes still way ahead. No surprise there. Gee, with all the Clinton bashing going on(just like they put Bill through) and shes still doing quite well. hmmm..its no wonder folks think she is the best candidate to run against the repubs.No more weak, nicey,nicey, balless wonders for the dems. Maybe we will win this time.
White guys for Obama! (Is that PC enough to say?)
Wow, ObamaRama! You are in a really bad mood after Senator Clinton's "big win" in Florida - what gives?

P.S. Regardless of where Senator Edwards' support goes, it will be interesting to have a two person Democratic debate on Thursday! Now THAT'S gonna be FUN!
John Edwards supporters will go with Obama. How do I know? My family has been with Edwards from last December when he announced in New Orleans. We just had a family birthday celebration Sunday where politics came up. To a person, we all - all 12 of us! - said that if Edwards dropped out, we would support Barack Obama. So if MY family - husband, parents, brothers, sisters and in-laws ALL feel this way, I assume we are not alone. No one in my family could support Hillary. Some even said they would vote GOP for the first time in their lives if Hillary gets the nomination! I won't go that far, but if she is the nominee I just won't vote! I hope Barack Obama will get the nomination. I have always rooted for him along with Edwards. Also - I wish John and Elizabeth Edwards the very best! We LOVE YOU HERE IN NORTH CAROLINA!!!  
Until Friday, I felt that Edwards could endorse either way.  He's a fine litigator who knows it's in his best interest to play all sides without showing his cards.  The Clinton campaigns' decision to hit Edwards with robocalls last week 9http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Clinton_robocalls_hit_Edwards.html) may come back to bite.  It was clearly a late attempt to slay all competition in South Carolina.  Honestly, even for the Clintons, it shocked me.
6 out of 10 Americans want out of Iraq. The republicans want to stay indefinitely.
7 in ten Americans are pro-choice, the republican platform includes overturning Roe V Wade.

Fully 15% more Americans identify with the democratic party.

Obama-Nation cultists show exactly how much they understand electoral politics when they predict that ANY republican could beat ANY democrat in the GE.

Neither remaining republican stands a snowball's chance in November. Hillary will beat either one easily.
The best man has now dropped out.  The only good thing about this is I can now delete First Read from my bookmarks. At best it was difficult to view First Read with Edwards in the race because he seldom appeared here in a positive note.  NOW TAKE YOUR COMMENTS AND PUT THEM WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE. PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO CHRIS ON HARDBALL.  LOOKING FORWARD TO HIS FIRING.
Do I see the hand of uncle Teddy in this?  Someone must have convinced Edwards that his future interest might be better served in another capacity.

It really doesn't matter, none of them really care about you, they want the power, Clinton, Obama, Edwards, all of them.  Edwards campaign was nothing but a rerun of the 2004 failure.  If these people were so concerned about our healthcare they would decide which one would be the nominee then use all those 100's of millions of dollars raised to pay for that health care.  None of them are about change, it's all about the power and their high powered endorsers!
I am really sorry Edwards got out of the race. He is a wonderful guy with advanced ideas. I guess Obama will need to step up and win those votes.
hey enrique you are looking at just the opposite here,.....karl rove is salivating like a dog in heat at the idea of going after obama-kennedy-kerry; they are going to go after all 3 of them, as far as clinton goes  its all old news they can't damage her any more than they have so there's really nothing more that they can do....they'll continue to beat a dead horse but the public won't buy it after a while!!!
He should have stayed in. We need choice. We need insurance. We need a plan B to beat the Republicans.
To John, Elizabeth and your team.

You ran a very good campaign based on pressing issues. Thank you.

All the best. God bless you.
I didn't cast my absentee vote yet in California but as an Edwards supporter I now plan to vote for Senator Obama. I hope this makes a difference in delegates for him.
I also want to thank Senator Edwards for running a good campaign and trying to win against the big money candidates with great ideas for improving health care, the environment and restoring relations with other countries.
Good luck to John and Elizabeth.

You are right First read, he did not get enough attention form the media.
Obama doesn't need Edwards to endorse him. First, Edwards isn't going to endorse Hillary, so Barack doesn't have to worry about that. Edwards obviously still wants to play "kingmaker" by holding off his endorsement until Barack gives up some concessions. If Barack is smart (and he is), he should just tell John: "forget it, not going to promise anything."

Let's face it, most of Edwards' supporters are going to go where they want to go. Will an endorsement from Edwards really change any minds? I have my doubts. So I say: let Edwards decline to endorse for as long as he wants. By next week no one will care what he thinks.
JT, Texas - they surrounded him, not the other way around.  Politicans can smell a winner.  Sniff, sniff.

Good luck to Senator Edwards and his family.  I urge his energetic supporters to explore Senator Obama's positions - especially his plans for lobbying record transparency.  I think you'll find his positions on making the government more accountable very much in line with Senator Edwards's ideas.
I want John Edwards as my Attorney General, no matter who the nominee is.
JT - You couldn't have it more backwards.  Obama and Edwards would be striking a deal to challenge the insiders (top Clinton and McCain supporters) and prevent them from putting TWO insider choices on the general election ballot.  I am an independent who has switched registration to Democrat and will be voting for Obama in Connecticut's February 5 primary, but I have a great amount of respect for John Edwards and the way he has run his campaign, and he would have been my choice had Obama not run; I'm sure many Edwards supporters are saying the same thing in reverse right now as they consider switching their support to Obama.
Let us hope a deal has indeed been struck.
The timing indicates it.
The combined Obama / Edwards numbers would create a formidable obstacle to "inevitability"
The combination of Obama and Edwards on the same ticket would create a formidable obstacle to the "more war, less jobs" candidate that has become "inevitable" from the fractured GOP.

Yes We Can
This is devestating. I knew John wasn't going to win but I wanted his voice to be heard. His dieas need to be expressed and embraced. By neccesity not desire I'll be supporting Obama now.
Edwards will not endorse at this time.  That's right; he is waiting to see who offers him the best job - the true Edwards holding out for the best settlement.  He is waiting to see if the Obama train is derailed from no steam behind the engine - slogans can only run so far.
I wonder how Hillary feels now that she'll have the elderly RACIST white vote locked up. I mean, Democrats with racist tendencies have nowhere else to go now, do they? What a legacy for Billary!
So white males are the swing.......lets clarfy that and say that EDUCATED white males are the swing.  I was at a car dealership yesterday surrounded by white males and they were referring to Obama as Osama.  I calmly suggested that they all get their ignorance in check.  (kinda reminds me of nucular)

I'll be totally disappointed if Edward endorses Hillary Clinton; their rhetoric is not the same. I hope he doesn't endorse Hillary or else his campaign will be categorized as phony.

Edward said Clinton is for status quo and anything that suggest otherwise is irrelevant.
"As for an endorsement, some Edwards folks claim anything is possible. But in chats with numerous Edwards partisans, it's pretty clear they'd be shocked if he threw his support to Clinton. So for now, the options appear to be sit or support Obama."

Based on the accuracy of most of your, "journalism", what's clear is that you all don't know anything more than we do and Edwards supporters will support whoever they want. Your options, Chuck(les) and Co., are narrowing daily, as the walls of inevitability close in despite your best efforts to influence the outcome.
Happy spinning...
ObamaRama (Sent Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:10 AM)

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The press corp's time is running out ....The desperate support of Obama and tainted bias against Clinton will increase ten-fold. I am waiting with great patience to witness their darkest hour as the Super Tuesday's results come poruing in.
Tell Hillary she can give up now and save herself the humiliation come next Tuesday and beyond. Barack Obama for President. Count me in.
I see the Edwards supporters coalescing around Obama which will be a great thing for his campaign and the party.  As for suggestions that Clinton has run the sleaziest campaign ever people have a short memory.  Sleazier than the Swift Boat campaign?  Sleazier than starting a whispering campaign that McCain is demented and has a secret, illegitimate Black child?  Or that he gave up state's secrets under interrogation in exchange for preferential treatment as a POW?  Sleazier than sending busloads of party operatives to Florida with instructions to behave as an angry mob while pretending to be ordinary citizens?
So, Edwards voters will split between Clinton and Obama...and shes still way ahead. No surprise there. Gee, with all the Clinton bashing going on(just like they put Bill through) and shes still doing quite well. hmmm..its no wonder folks think she is the best candidate to run against the repubs.No more weak, nicey,nicey, balless wonders for the dems. Maybe we will win this time.
j fl (Sent Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:19 AM)
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EXACTLY j fl, exactly!  The lady has BALLS, keep trying to bust 'em boys.
When is the MSM going to investigate the Predatory lender's & Mark Penn's association with them. For those who don't know who Mark Penn is, he is THE CAMPAIGN MANAGER FOR HILLARY CLINTON.She tries to give the impression she cares about people losing thier homes, but in FACT, the very Reason some are losing thier homes is because of HER CAMPAIGN MANAGER & his predatory lending practices.Come on MSM, help people in this, That's Your JOB!!!!!



By the Obamarama( i mean j.merle) where is the Duplicate button on this page, You think because you double post each entry,that some will give your thought's extra attention. OOp'z, it's the Uneducated who back Hillary. My BAD!!!!!!!!
I don't think this is all about race. It is just as likely that Edwards voters were against a women candidate. It could be both race and gender. It could be neither. Polls in the next few days will surely show a trend one way or the other. Or maybe no trend at all. Just saying...who knos? That's what makes it interesting.
I have been an Obama supporter for a long, long time.  I actually was wanting him to run since his speech at the DNC in 2004.  At that time I was a Hillary supporter for 2008, but following his speech I realized there was another choice, something better.  Now, in 2004 I liked John Edwards...he was my second choice behind YAAAAAHHHHH!  In 2008, he was once again my second choice...that is how far I moved since 2004 when, prior to the DNC speech, I would have voted for Hillary.  Having watched a lot of the debates, I see in Edwards a person who wants change and seems to disagree with Hillary on almost every major position except Universal Health Care.  I would be suprised if he supports either candidate today, but I wouldn't be shocked if he threw his support either way.  Of course, I am hoping for his support to go to Obama, but I believe Mr. Edwards is a smart enough person to make up his own mind and to do what he believes is best for the Democratic Party and the country.  

Wishing the Edwards all the best and hoping that they continue the struggle to bring the issues facing the poor and lower middle-class to light.
I am very disappointed to see Edwards go. He was, on the issues, the best candidate by FAR! I will now support Obama. There was a time when I may have supported Hillary, but this country really does need change - and I am, quite frankly, sickened by the Clintons politics...

All you have to do is read the comments here to see the blind hatred and vitriol with which their supporters speak about others within the party to see how devisive they are. They have managed to fracture (possibly Irreparably)their own party - Do you really think they could get anything done within this atmosphere they create? Sad.

I will never vote for Hillary in the General election. If she gets the nomination, I will write someone in...and I'm a Liberal Democrat, not an independent.
I am sorry to hear this, I would have voted for Edwards but for Obama. I liked him before and I like him now. Edwards seems to want the best for people. I would love to see an Obama/Edwards ticket. Together they will get things done in Washington.

Best wishes to him, his wife and family.
Ted Kennedy has a lot of support with the unions. I just don't know if there's enough time for Barack Obama to cut into Hillary's long standing lead across the country.

Mayor Menino, we all know you, city and state workers in Boston support Hillary Clinton. CANCEL THE PARADE SHOULD, AND I MEAN, SHOULD THE PATRIOTS WIN THE SUPER BOWL.

You wouldn't want to be accused of suppressing votes now would you?

An important presidential election should be more important than a parade.

(Sorry Patriots fans! I love the team too, but I can't take the thought of 8 more years of the Clintons in the White House)
With Edwards dropping out of the race this close to Super Tuesday (Feb 5), Only one thing comes to mind. A deal has been struck with Obama. There is no way he would make a deal with Billary because they differ on way too many issues (Free Trade, Corporate greed, Lobbyist, etc).

My thaughts that Edwards decided 2 things.

(1) There was no way he could win.
(2) By staying in for the Feb 5 vote, he would guarntee a Hillary nomination by spliting the Change Vote & Anti Hillary Vote.

With the Change & Anti Hillary vote not split, Hillary will have a tough time getting the nomination.
I agree that Edwards views are more in line with Obama and he is likely to endorse Obama - except for one point: Edwards political career is essentially over.  He does not have anywhere to go from here - accept into the next President's administration.  He has to choose who the likely candidate will be.  Its a tough one.  Its his only option.  He might have to pick Hillary if she seems more likely to get the nomination - in order to be able to do more good in the long run and get elected to the Senate or as Governor in the future.  Its a real gamble.
Hilliary Clinton is John McCain's biggest salvation for the Nov. general.  I will explain why and I hope the reporters at First Read will ask Hilliary Clinton's campaign why this is not so.  John McCain's biggest weakness come Nov is able to rally the Republican conservative base, his biggest strength is his appeal to independents.  If Hilliary Clinton is the Dem nominee her presence on the ballot will do something that John McCain would have trouble doing on his own --- rally conservative Republicans to come out and vote for him!  Meanwhile, Hilliary Clinton's biggest weakness (as evidenced in polls and the vote results in the early contests) is her lack of appeal to independents.  Thus come Nov Hilliary Clinton will not compete against John McCain in the one area where he is strongest and she will help him overcome the one main area of weaknesses he has -- with the conservative base.  Barack Obama on the other hand competes with John McCain for independents and does not inspire the instant vitrol from conservatives as Hilliary Clinton (and please do not get me wrong -- conservative will not vote for him but at least Barack Obama's candiacy will not help his opponent in his one area of weakness either).  This is borne out by public opinion polls which have consistently shown when averaged that John McCain does four or five points better against Hilliary Clinton than he does against Barack Obama.  Please ask Hilliary Clinton's campaign why Democrats should nominate someone who matchs up so poorly with the Republican nominess John McCain.


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