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First thoughts: McCain plays hardball

Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:13 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** McCain plays hardball: There were a few moments where it appeared McCain and Romney would really start tangling in last night’s GOP debate -- but it was just that, a precious few moments. Romney wasn't happy about the criticism McCain leveled at him about timetables in Iraq. He said it was a dirty trick because it came days before Florida. Well, maybe so, but it should also serve as a comfort to nervous Republicans about McCain's ability to play hardball in the general. McCain may seem like a guy who likes to reach across the aisle, but he's not afraid to get dirty. McCain will be a very clever general-election candidate; it won't all be kumbaya with Clinton or Obama. Meanwhile, Romney's pushback -- if this was an issue, then why didn't he raise it earlier -- wasn't a great debate comeback moment. As we’ve noted before, Romney just doesn't come across well when he's angry. Overall, Romney seemed simply ticked off the entire night. It was as if he realized the end was near and he didn't know how to stop it. He tried to go after McCain, politely mind you, but didn't trip the newly crowned front-runner up.

Video: NBC Political Director Chuck Todd offers his first read on how things seem to be coming together quickly for John McCain.

*** But he needs to brush up on domestic issues: Playing the role of front-runner at a debate for the first time (or at least since the last time these guys met at the Reagan Library), McCain proved to be more well spoken on domestic issues than he was at the last debate. But going forward, assuming he’s the GOP nominee, the Arizona Republican is going to have to get more comfortable talking about domestic issues or he will face much bigger problems in the general. He was better last night on the domestic front, but he's still got a ways to go. By the way, it shouldn't be overlooked at how McCain took every opportunity he could to take a dig at Romney; he seemed almost gleeful about it.

*** Winning the debate before it started: Perhaps the most difficult thing for many of us watching these debates for a living is that we're having a hard time finding new things to say -- just as the candidates are having a hard time saying anything new. For instance, how many times have we said some version of the following: Mike Huckabee probably stuck out a bit (and only a bit) for his humor and seemingly straight talk. Yet again, Huckabee got to play Mr. Nice Guy and it will probably be enough to siphon off conservative vote from Romney in order to deliver McCain a few more delegates than he should be winning if this were a pure one-on-one contest. (And on Morning Joe, Huck took this shot at Romney, saying he “didn’t hit puberty” in the conservative movement until he was 60. Whoa.) But McCain may have won the debate before it ever started, because the Giuliani endorsement yesterday and the Schwarzenegger endorsement today appear to be trumping anything that happened last night.

*** Time for a little one-on-one: Now it’s the Democrats’ turn to debate in California, and for the first time, there will be just two people on the stage: Clinton and Obama. The debate takes place at 8:00 pm ET. We’re betting that tonight’s debate is a bit more civilized than last week’s was. A few days after her loss in South Carolina, Clinton really appears to be playing Ms. Nice. On the trail yesterday, Clinton passed on chances to fire back at Obama. Also yesterday, her campaign held a conference call with reporters to stress how Clinton is eager to listen to voters’ voices -- like with their national town hall on the eve of Tsunami Tuesday -- while at the same time calling out Obama for being negative. And now even Bill has become subdued. It’s a dramatic shift from South Carolina.

*** Will these things come up at the debate? On Nightline last night, Clinton seemed to admit that her husband’s presidency was a co-presidency. It was a pretty striking admission. “MCFADDEN: Here's what a lot of people want to know. Can you control [Bill]? SEN. CLINTON: Oh, of course. … MCFADDEN: Newsweek magazine says flatly, if you're elected, it will be a co-presidency… Maybe it's a good idea? SEN. CLINTON: It’s not. I learned that. I learned that the hard way.” She learned that the hard way? Interestingly, at the time of course, the Clinton White House vigorously denied the idea of a co-presidency because it wasn't politically prudent. Now is history being rewritten a bit? Meanwhile, the dreaded "Van Natta" byline is in today's New York Times. It's an investigative piece, which suggests that Bill Clinton was used by a Canadian mining financier to help secure a contract in Kazakhstan. In exchange, Clinton raised a significant chunk of change from this guy for various philanthropic activities. No wonder the Clinton folks don't want these donors going public anytime soon. This is not a good story, but how much play will it get? We'll find out at tonight's debate. 

*** Feb. 5th strategies: We're starting to learn about the diverging February 5 strategies through the candidates’ schedules. Suddenly, these schedule emails are the single most important thing we receive each day. For the next few days, for instance, we're finding out that Hillary Clinton is camping out in California, while Obama is barely spending 12 hours in the state.  Meanwhile, it appears Bill Clinton will be stumping in more February 5 states than his wife will. Clinton travels to California for today’s debate and won’t leave the state until Saturday. By the way, Obama is getting some HUGE crowds. He got over 10,000 in both Denver and Phoenix.

*** Pointless money numbers: Today is the day the candidates have to file their 4th quarter FEC reports, and we'll find out how much the candidates raised and spent through December 31 which, frankly, seems more than a lifetime ago. For instance, how much of his own money did Romney spend after Dec. 31? We won't find out until April 15. How much did Clinton and Obama raise in the last month? Again, we won't find out until April 15… Today's fundraising numbers are something for the historians to pore over, not the on-the-news press corps right now.

*** On the trail: In addition to Clinton and Obama, everyone seems to be in California… A day after last night’s GOP debate, Huckabee makes two stops in the Golden State; McCain makes five, including three fundraisers and a taping of The Tonight Show; and Romney makes five, too. Among the surrogates, Bill Clinton stumps in Albuquerque, NM, and Tempe, AZ, while Ted Kennedy campaigns for Obama in Albuquerque and Santa Fe, NM

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Nice job firstread....

No mention of Senator Murphy (D-WA) endorsing Hillary Clinton... She's the fourth ranking Democrat and you don't think that deserves a sentence on your column?

one word: BIASED.....
First Read said: "the Arizona Republican is going to have to get more comfortable talking about domestic issues" He completely sidestepped the question about the economy last night...went right into talking about what a good "war leader" he is. After all the squabbling between McCain & Romney about timetables, Ron Paul came in with the most logical and germaine comments and was all but ignored. Really a sad situation.
Oh and by the way, Bruce springsteen gets HUGE crowds as well. Maybe he should run for president. Everyone loves a rockstar.

Your Obama love is showing... yet again...
Santa Fe Reporter (New Mexico)--

SFR picks Barack Obama for the Democratic nominee. --

Obama, on the other hand, has both. His upbringing and his work experience—as a community organizer in Chicago and as a civil rights lawyer—formed his understanding of the diversity and inequities faced by so many people in this country. His work as a state legislator and a US senator has given him leadership and legislative experience.

His opposition to the war has been steady for more than five years, and his willingness to calmly discuss bi-partisanship should not be used against him, as it has by the Clinton campaign.

If Democrats are serious about winning back the White House, they need to chart a new path. And if insanity (as Albert Einstein is oft quoted as saying) is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a new result, then Obama isn’t just the best choice; he’s the sanest. Dems must pick a new leader unconnected to the administrations of the past; they must elect the first president in 20 years whose last name isn’t Clinton or Bush.

New Mexico has a small number of delegates, but a big chance to send a message.
That message is this: The choice of Barack Obama as the Democratic presidential nominee would signify a turning point in the leadership of this country, one that is long overdue, one that should not, cannot, be put off any longer.
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http://sfreporter.com/articles/publish/cover-013008-whack-a-pol.php#yeah
HE LIED  AND ACTED LIKE A CHILD.  SO DID ROMMNEY  HUCKABEE IS BY FAR THE SMARTEST, MOST EXPERIENCE, AND BEST DEBATER OF ALL CANDIDATES  REPUBS OR DEMS

• February 5: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho (D), Illinois, Kansas (D), Massachusetts, Minnesota, Missouri, New Jersey, New Mexico (D), New York, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Utah
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Alabama  Primary    http://www.sos.state.al.us/election/index.aspx

Alaska  Caucus     http://www.gov.state.ak.us/ltgov/elections/

Arizona  Primary     http://www.azsos.gov/election/

Arkansas  Primary     http://www.arelections.org  

California  Primary    http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections.htm

Colorado  Caucus     http://www.elections.colorado.gov

Connecticut  Primary    http://www.sots.ct.gov/ElectionsServices/General.html

Delaware  Primary    http://elections.delaware.gov/

Georgia  Primary   http://sos.georgia.gov/elections/elections_events.htm

 
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Did McCain mischaracterize Romney's remarks regarding Iraq "timetable" & "milestone"?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1665

Romney certainly said the words "timetable" and "milestone," but certainly not in the way McCain frames it. McCain seems to willfully mischaracterize Romney's remarks, as Romney also makes clear in the following clip that he would not support a date certain for troop withdrawal.
New York  Primary  http://www.elections.state.ny.us

North Dakota  Caucus    http://www.nd.gov/sos/electvote/

Oklahoma  Primary    http://www.ok.gov/~elections/

Tennessee  Primary    http://www.state.tn.us/sos/election/index.htm

Utah  Primary    http://elections.utah.gov/

Democrats Abroad  Primary
Some reminders about the Colorado caucus:

It's next Tue, Feb 5th at 6:30 pm.
Everyone should definitely get there by 6:30 pm at the latest to make sure they can participate in the presidential poll!!
If you were a registered Democrat by December 5, 2007, you can caucus.

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NY article --http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/28/mysteries-of-new-york-democratic-delegates-explained/
In each Congressional district, a candidate must achieve 15 percent of the primary vote to receive any delegates. Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama are the only candidates who have fielded full delegate slates in all 29 districts. If Mr. Edwards were to win delegates in a district where he does not have a delegate slate, his delegates would be selected in a separate caucus after the primary.
In addition to the 151 delegates to be selected through the primary, New York Democrats will be represented by 130 additional delegates, 45 who are unpledged delegates automatically because of their positions and 85 delegates who will be elected at the Democratic State Convention in May.
The 45 automatic unpledged delegates — often known as superdelegates...
-------------other February dates ------  

Dist. of Columbia   Caucus  http://www.dcboee.org/

Hawaii Caucus  http://www.hawaii.gov/elections

Louisiana Primary   http://www.sos.louisiana.gov/tabid/68/Default.aspx

Maine Caucus   http://www.maine.gov/sos/cec/elec/

Maryland Primary  http://www.elections.state.md.us/

Nebraska Caucus  http://www.sos.state.ne.us/elec/
Although the state has a primary, Democrats voted in April to select their delegates at caucuses to be held on Feb. 9.

Virginia Primary   http://www.sbe.virginia.gov/cms/

Washington Caucuses http://www.secstate.wa.gov/elections/

Wisconsin Primary  http://elections.state.wi.us/faq_detail.asp?faqid=119&fid=27&locid47&linkid
I can't believe that the Clinton's have so much more scandal coming down the pipe (more Walmart lobbists donations, Van Natta, etc).  Hillary said she was "vetted" but it appears they hid a bunch and we are just now getting the details. This win spell DEFEAT for the Dems in the general.

The Republicans are chopping at the bit for Hillary to run.
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Gee, I wonder why the Clintons don't want to release the White House papers that prove Hillary's "experience"... perhaps it's the same reason they're trying to keep the Clinton library donors under wraps...

Clinton was selling uranium for donations.

Yeah, let's bring back the 90s instead of moving into the future!
which suggests that Bill Clinton was used by a Canadian mining financier to help secure a contract in Kazakhstan. In exchange, Clinton raised a significant chunk of change from this guy for various philanthropic activities.

Guess we will be hearing a lot about these kind of deals in a Hillary administration....

No wonder the Clinton folks don't want these donors going public anytime soon. This is not a good story, but how much play will it get? We'll find out at tonight's debate.

With the Celis trial getting ready to go forward here, the name "Hillary Clinton" should be mentioned a great deal on First read very soon.

I see John mcCain has been reading Hillary's playbook when it comes to attacking your opponent.  

By the way, Obama is getting some HUGE crowds. He got over 10,000 in both Denver and Phoenix.

Thank god he doesn't put them to sleep like Hillary does her crowds of 50 or so....

McCain won by default! Hardly Too hard to catch- he is like The Mummy! He skipped Iowa, Nevada and hardly campaigned in Michigan- all that after going broke and running on of the worst campaign organizations in modern times that totally collapsed before one vote was cast- he wins off memory in New Hampshire by 5 points, wins South Carolina by 3- then gets carried across the finish line in Florida when he looked like he was slipping behind! One thing that Rush said was true is that McCain cant really campaign- his events and speeches are short- he doesnt do them often and whne he does others speak for him- the guy is going to fall apart during the summer/fall campaign- he looks like the Mummy and is still an angry man.

I do think it is all over though- Romney is clearly finished because NY, NJ and California are winner-take-all states- hence for Romney- if he doesnt win Missouri- its over. That is why he isnt spending anymore money from his pocket! If the Dems were winner-take-all, Obama would be finished as well since he will be losing California, NY, NJ and Teddys Mass! BUT IT ISNT- Dems go by proportion, so Obama lucked out big time as many have said already in print.

If Hillary and Obama rip each other apart tonight- it will only show how stupid the democrats are and I wouldnt be surprised.
For those of us who consider ourselves conservative, how conservative someone is relates very strongly to how much good they can do for our country. This is the thing McCain doesn't seem to get. Conservatism isn't just some list of policies that some party has to push for or we're out, it's a world view that informs policies. If you aren't a conservative (and before you say it, Bush is not one so don't use his actions as a measure) then you may think our policies are crazy. Okay, let's debate them and we'll find the best solutions. But McCain makes statements that are directly contrary to conservative sentiment. He hits Mitt because he has money, he says Alito wears his conservatism too much on his sleeve, and he promises more wars. These do not reflect a conservative viewpoint where small government, low taxes, and non-interventionism are the watchwords. People respect McCain because he sticks to his principles, but they hate Bush for doing the same thing. And they do that because Bush's policies, which have abandoned conservatism, have gotten us into some real trouble. Why do people expect that McCain's inability to stick to conservative principles will give us anything different than what we got from Bush doing the same thing? Here's the straight talk: McCain says people's jobs are gone because he doesn't know how to get them back, he promises more wars because he doesn't know how to avoid them, and he says businesspeople aren't qualified to lead because he has no idea what they do. McCain isn't a disaster because he fights the party, he's a disaster because he just doesn't get it.
IT'S EASY , IT'S FUN, AND IT'S INFORMATIVE, PLEASE COME FOR A NO OBLIGATION VISIT HILLARYCLINTON.COM . VISIT AS LONG AS YOU LIKE AND BRING A FRIEND OR TWO IF YOU WISH.
"Meanwhile, the dreaded "Van Natta" byline is in today's New York Times. It's an investigative piece, which suggests that Bill Clinton was used by a Canadian mining financier to help secure a contract in Kazakhstan. In exchange, Clinton raised a significant chunk of change from this guy for various philanthropic activities. No wonder the Clinton folks don't want these donors going public anytime soon. This is not a good story, but how much play will it get? We'll find out at tonight's debate."

It may not get play tonight, but it will most definately get play during the general if Clinton is nominated.  Rezko is nothing compared to the hundreds of millions of dirty money the Clintons have been taking over the last decade.

Our only chance for a Democrat President is now down to just Obama, now that Edwards is out.  Don't blow it by voting for Clinton.  She can't and won't win the general.
Obama, on the other hand, has both. His upbringing and his work experience—as a community organizer in Chicago and as a civil rights lawyer—formed his understanding of the diversity and inequities faced by so many people in this country. His work as a state legislator and a US senator has given him leadership and legislative experience.

Just what I want for President, a community organizer and civil rights attorney dont forget a part-time junior Senator.  NO THANKS!  Sounds more like the guy who is going to defend enemy combatants than the majority of US citizens.
Hey Hillary, answer these 2 questions.  1) Please quanitfy your 35 years experience when you have only held elected office for 7?  2) Since you are so devisive, why are you running for the Presidency; is it sheer ego?
By the way, Obama is getting some HUGE crowds. He got over 10,000 in both Denver and Phoenix.


If you notice he normaly shows up at a university were he can get a captive crowd of young people and their liberal professors.  He likes young minds that are easily manipulated by the progressives.  Obama is America's Hugo Chavez.
I do think it is all over though- Romney is clearly finished because NY, NJ and California are winner-take-all states- hence for Romney- if he doesnt win Missouri- its over. That is why he isnt spending anymore money from his pocket! If the Dems were winner-take-all, Obama would be finished as well since he will be losing California, NY, NJ and Teddys Mass! BUT IT ISNT- Dems go by proportion, so Obama lucked out big time as many have said already in print.

If Hillary and Obama rip each other apart tonight- it will only show how stupid the democrats are and I wouldnt be surprised.

Robert Tampa/Houston (Sent Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:48 AM)

Proportional delegates is a far more fair way of doing it.  It more accurately represents the popular vote.  If the general election had been done proportionally, instead of winner take all, GW wouldn't have won in 2000.
The "significant chunk of change" is enormous and, again, from a non-American.   Clinton’s charitable foundation received  a $31.3 million donation and a public pledge to give the William J. Clinton Foundation an additional $100 million.   Friendship with the former president has its privileges -- Remember the Lincoln Bedroom $$$ during the 1990's.

So Tired of the Obama band wagon. I hope Edwards doesn't support him. He isn't even staying on his message of hope, What has he lost hope?
People please check the record it really doesn't matter what he has said before he got into the senate,(I to was against the war from the beginning). Because he has shown us differently, he has voted for continuing the war by funding it. He to is a liar. Face it people he plays politics the sameway, says whatever to win.
The headline of "McCain Plays Hardball" is a misstatement. It should have read, "McCain Plays Fast And Loose With The TRUTH"! I wouldn't trust him to run a hot dog stand, let alone a country!
Senate President Richard Codey, widely considered the most popular elected official in New Jersey, will throw his support behind Barack Obama's presidential campaign on Thursday, three people with direct knowledge of Codey's plans said today
The GOP is all about catchphrases like: stay the course, mission impossible,  and now timetables. God forbid if they can refrain from Quien es mas macho long enough to truly debate the numerous problems that their political party have caused. For instance, Bush has the audacity to threaten veto against any bills he claims are earmarks when he did nothing when the GOP WHERE IN CHARGE.  
McCain may not be perfect, but I would trust him to do what is right for this country over a community activist with fancy slogan or the Clinton mob.
“MCFADDEN: Here's what a lot of people want to know. Can you control [Bill]?

SEN. CLINTON: Oh, of course


Can Hillary point to any history that confirms this statement?
Bill Clinton in Colorado yesterday: As reported by ABC news Jake Trapper. "We must slow down our ecomoney to conbat Global warming" Slow it down? are you an IDIOT Bill Clinton? People are going hungry now, no jobs, no health insurance, why don't you crawl back in the old gezzer hole like Saddamn.
Hillary Clinton SILENT as Wal_mart fights the unions from organizing. Where is MSNBC in reporting all this? You guys usually do a great job
McCain McLies.  His stubbornness to accept the truth on this topic is disgraceful and deplorable.  It’s a shame when a grown man refuses to take responsibility and apologize for his dirty tactics and smear campaign to get political gain.  I came across a quote the other day from you McCain during the 2000 election that states that you “would not take the low road to the high position for President”….so much for that promise?  I guess times have changed, just like your politcal agenda (McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Lieberman)?  It's time for the "staight talk, no walk" express to derail.
I have been saying all along that I question Hillary's experience during Bill's tenure...and HIS role in HER administration - should she make it to the White House. It is SOOOO wrong on SO many levels!

If she was a 'co-president' and has the experience that she likes to taught - she should not be allowed to have another term in office.

If she was only a sidekick and it was Bill who truly ran things - then SHE DOES NOT HAVE THE EXPERIENCE.

Further, it should be a concern to us all that Bill would obviously have a role in Hillary's administration - even if it is kept in secret files as Hillary's role in his administration has been.

both RoMoney and McCain acted like brawlers. The debate is totally skewed to ignore Huck and Paul.
HUCK has conducted himself well. but it is sure the media wants to push him back so that RoMoney can try to steal some conservative votes.
Tonight is the night, that Barak should attack HRC with his theme of a bridge to the future. I can not wait until the debate is over.

HRC and Bill are spending some much time in CA, because the are afraid of letting Barack get to big of a lead. I
"As we’ve noted before, Romney just doesn't come across well when he's angry."  
-Probably because he's still not quite adjusted to the obvious lack of moral compass associated with politics, but I guess if he stays in it for the next twenty-five years he'll get it.  This election is getting ridiculous.  If President Regan were alive he'd know better than to run in this race.
Senate President Richard Codey, widely considered the most popular elected official in New Jersey, will throw his support behind Barack Obama's presidential campaign on Thursday, three people with direct knowledge of Codey's plans said today
McCain played hard ball yea i got his ? He was very smirk and rude....He didnt give straight answer and when he didnt want to answer he went to his out how grt he was....The debate was terriable but Anderson didnt do what he was supose to do...Be a moderator and give equal time to all...So you owe and opology to Ron and Huk, but that wont happen quit trying to represent the media.  I think these debates would better run by ordinary Americans who have no trouble asking the question and pursuiing and answer and not letting the canadate avoid it.......Would appreciate and opology to two of the canadates..
I read that article about Clinton. I don't really know what to think. Except, if it WAS a co-presidency last time, then she probably knows everything he does, and vice versa. Which means she's probably in on this donor sleaze too.

I'm sorry, but Clinton being nice-nice with a dictator who runs sham elections just so his buddy can get a massive uranium contract is NOT ok. This is pretty damning.

So, just for a little perspective, Barack Obama received less than $100,000 in donations from Rezko. And he's been trying hard to track them down and get rid of them. Clinton got $31 MILLION in donations from this guy Giustra shortly after the uranium deal. And not only has there been absolutely no effort to get rid of that money, they've been trying VERY hard to keep it under wraps besides.

Obama was up-front about that Rezko land deal (he went to the press shortly afterwards and explained what happened and when, calling it a "boneheaded" move). Clinton's been hiding his shady deals as carefully as possible. Now maybe Hillary will be a standalone president, and maybe she won't (and maybe she's in on these deals, and maybe she isn't). But do you want to risk having this kind of sleaze running the White House? I don't. But it's your vote, reader, so the choice is yours.
McCain played hard ball yea i got his ? He was very smirk and rude....He didnt give straight answer and when he didnt want to answer he went to his out how grt he was....The debate was terriable but Anderson didnt do what he was supose to do...Be a moderator and give equal time to all...So you owe and opology to Ron and Huk, but that wont happen quit trying to represent the media.  I think these debates would better run by ordinary Americans who have no trouble asking the question and pursuiing and answer and not letting the canadate avoid it.......Would appreciate and opology to two of the canadates..
imagine mccant wandering around the wh wondering where he was and what he was doing, doddering old fool.
I can't help but wonder how Sentor Obama would have voted on the Iraq issue had he of been priviledged to see the same information as Senator Edwards and Senator Clinton.  No one will ever know that.  It would seem much easier to be in opposition to it when you don't have to vote on it, hell I was in opposition to it, but what counts now is what your vote has shown thus far, how different from Senator Clinton have his votes on Iraq been since he has been in the Senate.  This whole thing is kinda like using Senator Clintons vote on the Iran resolution against her, but not even showing up to vote on it yourself.  And as for his stirring speech yesterday about building a bridge to the 20th century, no I don't want to literally go back to the 90's, but I do want to hope that we can have an economic program that will rival the prosperity of the 90's and I think Clinton will bring that.
which suggests that Bill Clinton was used by a Canadian mining financier to help secure a contract in Kazakhstan. In exchange, Clinton raised a significant chunk of change from this guy for various philanthropic activities.

Guess we will be hearing a lot about these kind of deals in a Hillary administration....

No wonder the Clinton folks don't want these donors going public anytime soon. This is not a good story, but how much play will it get? We'll find out at tonight's debate.

With the Celis trial getting ready to go forward here, the name "Hillary Clinton" should be mentioned a great deal on First read very soon.
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I can't deal w/ the Clintons for another 4 years!!!! This would only be the beginning of the dirt and nasty dealings that will come out of the closet. Does anyone else not see this happening???f!!

I have to admit i have really respected the way Barack has campaigned and absolutely agree when he said this election is about "The Past" vs "The Future"... I'm looking ahead. OBAMA now has a new supporter in CA, sorry HRC..

- Ronny  San Diego, CA


'...Things got really nasty in South Carolina, where former President Bill Clinton dealt a whole deck of race cards before - and even after - the vote...'


'...The Clinton strategy?
Ruben Navarrette Jr., San Diego Union-Tribune

Wednesday, January 30, 2008

Having polarized blacks and whites, the Democratic primary campaign was already becoming sleazy. And now that Latinos have been added to the mix, it's become surreal.

We're being told that Latinos won't vote for Barack Obama because he's black. The implication is that Latinos are racist.

Sergio Bendixen, a Latino who conducts polls for Hillary Clinton, suggested during an interview with Ryan Lizza of the New Yorker that "the Hispanic voter - and I want to say this very carefully - has not shown a lot of willingness to support black candidates."

John B. Judis, writing in the New Republic, insisted that Latino voters could be a firewall for Hillary Clinton in part because of "a legacy of an older Latin American prejudice against blacks that has been transplanted to this country."

And, in the New York Times, Adam Nagourney and Jennifer Steinhauer cited "a history of often uneasy and competitive relations between blacks and Hispanics, particularly as they have jockeyed for influence in cities like Chicago, Los Angeles and New York."

Nagourney and Steinhauer neglected to mention that each of those cities have, in the past, elected black mayors who captured the majority of the Latino vote.

It's true that in most polls, Hillary Clinton has a 2-1 advantage with Latino voters over Barack Obama.

But does the Eastern media really expect us to buy the idea that the 44 million people who make up America's largest minority have a beef with African Americans? Does that include the Latinos who backed Obama in his campaigns in Illinois, and those who now support his presidential campaign? If anything, Latinos - especially those whose families have been in this country for generations - tend to have a keen understanding of racism, which makes them more likely to identify with the plight of African Americans.

Next thing you know, pundits are going to tell us that Latinos are too macho to elect a woman president.

There are plenty of reasons why Latinos might support Hillary Clinton. Her husband won two national elections in which he earned more than 60 percent of the Latino vote. She has racked up scores of endorsements from prominent Latino officials, including Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, Sen. Bob Menendez of New Jersey, and former Housing Secretary Henry Cisneros.

Not that there isn't racism in this election. That's the surreal part. There certainly is. But none of it involves Latinos. Rather, it's the kind that has been the most prevalent in U.S. history - whites versus blacks.

Things got really nasty in South Carolina, where former President Bill Clinton dealt a whole deck of race cards before - and even after - the vote. And yet Obama cruised to victory with more than 80 percent of black support and nearly a quarter of the white vote.

This, despite the ex-president's despicable efforts to scare off Obama's white supporters by trying to define the Illinois senator solely by race. Last week, a top adviser to the Clinton campaign acknowledged to a reporter from the Associated Press that the campaign's objective is to define Obama as "the black candidate."

And so, Bill Clinton tried to portray Obama as someone who draws his support almost exclusively from African Americans and speculated that South Carolinians would vote along racial lines. After the votes were cast, he took one last shot by comparing Obama's victory to those enjoyed in South Carolina by Jesse Jackson during his 1984 and 1988 presidential bids.

Hurricane Bill couldn't have done more damage to his wife's campaign if he had tried. Wait. Maybe he did. Maybe the plan was to write off South Carolina, knowing that black voters would turn out overwhelmingly for Obama. Then Hillary comes off as a victim of identity politics, and white and Latino voters become more sympathetic to her in future primaries.

An African American friend suggested to me recently that the Clinton campaign might be willing to swap black voters for Latinos. The Clintons could be counting on Latino voters to make up the votes they're losing from African Americans. It's possible.

In 1968, Richard Nixon embraced a Southern strategy that used the race issue to carve up the electorate and scare up support from white voters. Republicans turned to the strategy time and again until the South was largely in their hands.

Well, with Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and California all holding primaries or caucuses next week, this could be the Clintons' Southwestern strategy - an elaborate racial bank shot that is just as divisive and unsavory as its predecessor....'


Billary goes campaigning:

'...This, despite the ex-president's despicable efforts to scare off Obama's white supporters by trying to define the Illinois senator solely by race. Last week, a top adviser to the Clinton campaign acknowledged to a reporter from the Associated Press that the campaign's objective is to define Obama as "the black candidate.",,,'

Do we want yers of THIS ?
'race baiting', Phase 2

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Go Hillary! Have a great debate tonight. All you have to do is NOT to get into contradictions or fights with Barack. You ARE above that. This nomination is yours for the taking.
Bill Clinton in Colorado yesterday: As reported by ABC news Jake Trapper. "We must slow down our ecomoney to conbat Global warming"

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And if the potential future co-President says this, everyone should take note. Liberals are all over Bush for the slowing economy. If they don't like the economy now, they will be furious when Bill is President again. Negative quarterly growth, aka a  recession, will be the norm rather then the exception.

So what will slowing the economy mean to us? Higher unemployment (figure 10-15% for starters), less new jobs, higher taxes required to pay for social programs, and year over year reduced GDP. Think of us as being like France.
Now that it's down to just two maybe we can end the confrontation and start a conversation.  

When the candidates positions are placed side by side there just isn't that much to argue about and that should be seen as a possitive!  Now we can decide who has the experiance, passion and drive to achieve the goals of the party.  

Let's not let the Press and their need for drama or the right with their need to smear, swift boat style, all who stand in their way knock us off point.

By standing and working together Democrats can win back the White House!  
I see the WHINE crowd of Hillary supporter's is already out in force this morning.The New York Post, endorsed Barack yesterday, do you hear any whining?NoCan you Hillary supporter's point to her accomplishment's for 1 time,instead of trying to whine your way in. If you can Type, you can Read, OR CAN YOU.

Is'nt it Funny, how Rezco's measely Thousand's are forgotten when the New York Times has an article on $31 MILLION to the Clinton's. LMAO!


" DELUSIONAL THINKING BY COMMON SENSE AMERICAN'S IS OVER"
Hillary and Barack = STATUS QUO
HILLARY: Lobbists and Big Coporations (100M)
BARACK: Have the support of the "OLD GUARD" AKA kennedy, kerry and PAC'S (100M)
Where's THE change?..PURE WISHFUL THINKING
TSK TSK TSK ON THE YOUTH VOTE...YOU'LL LEARN SOMEDAY.
IT'S POLITICS, KIDDOS, IT'S ALL SMOKES AND MIRRORS.


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