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Mark Murray, NBC Deputy Political Director

Domenico Montanaro, NBC News Political Reporter



First thoughts: McCain plays hardball

Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:13 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** McCain plays hardball: There were a few moments where it appeared McCain and Romney would really start tangling in last night’s GOP debate -- but it was just that, a precious few moments. Romney wasn't happy about the criticism McCain leveled at him about timetables in Iraq. He said it was a dirty trick because it came days before Florida. Well, maybe so, but it should also serve as a comfort to nervous Republicans about McCain's ability to play hardball in the general. McCain may seem like a guy who likes to reach across the aisle, but he's not afraid to get dirty. McCain will be a very clever general-election candidate; it won't all be kumbaya with Clinton or Obama. Meanwhile, Romney's pushback -- if this was an issue, then why didn't he raise it earlier -- wasn't a great debate comeback moment. As we’ve noted before, Romney just doesn't come across well when he's angry. Overall, Romney seemed simply ticked off the entire night. It was as if he realized the end was near and he didn't know how to stop it. He tried to go after McCain, politely mind you, but didn't trip the newly crowned front-runner up.

Video: NBC Political Director Chuck Todd offers his first read on how things seem to be coming together quickly for John McCain.

*** But he needs to brush up on domestic issues: Playing the role of front-runner at a debate for the first time (or at least since the last time these guys met at the Reagan Library), McCain proved to be more well spoken on domestic issues than he was at the last debate. But going forward, assuming he’s the GOP nominee, the Arizona Republican is going to have to get more comfortable talking about domestic issues or he will face much bigger problems in the general. He was better last night on the domestic front, but he's still got a ways to go. By the way, it shouldn't be overlooked at how McCain took every opportunity he could to take a dig at Romney; he seemed almost gleeful about it.

*** Winning the debate before it started: Perhaps the most difficult thing for many of us watching these debates for a living is that we're having a hard time finding new things to say -- just as the candidates are having a hard time saying anything new. For instance, how many times have we said some version of the following: Mike Huckabee probably stuck out a bit (and only a bit) for his humor and seemingly straight talk. Yet again, Huckabee got to play Mr. Nice Guy and it will probably be enough to siphon off conservative vote from Romney in order to deliver McCain a few more delegates than he should be winning if this were a pure one-on-one contest. (And on Morning Joe, Huck took this shot at Romney, saying he “didn’t hit puberty” in the conservative movement until he was 60. Whoa.) But McCain may have won the debate before it ever started, because the Giuliani endorsement yesterday and the Schwarzenegger endorsement today appear to be trumping anything that happened last night.

*** Time for a little one-on-one: Now it’s the Democrats’ turn to debate in California, and for the first time, there will be just two people on the stage: Clinton and Obama. The debate takes place at 8:00 pm ET. We’re betting that tonight’s debate is a bit more civilized than last week’s was. A few days after her loss in South Carolina, Clinton really appears to be playing Ms. Nice. On the trail yesterday, Clinton passed on chances to fire back at Obama. Also yesterday, her campaign held a conference call with reporters to stress how Clinton is eager to listen to voters’ voices -- like with their national town hall on the eve of Tsunami Tuesday -- while at the same time calling out Obama for being negative. And now even Bill has become subdued. It’s a dramatic shift from South Carolina.

*** Will these things come up at the debate? On Nightline last night, Clinton seemed to admit that her husband’s presidency was a co-presidency. It was a pretty striking admission. “MCFADDEN: Here's what a lot of people want to know. Can you control [Bill]? SEN. CLINTON: Oh, of course. … MCFADDEN: Newsweek magazine says flatly, if you're elected, it will be a co-presidency… Maybe it's a good idea? SEN. CLINTON: It’s not. I learned that. I learned that the hard way.” She learned that the hard way? Interestingly, at the time of course, the Clinton White House vigorously denied the idea of a co-presidency because it wasn't politically prudent. Now is history being rewritten a bit? Meanwhile, the dreaded "Van Natta" byline is in today's New York Times. It's an investigative piece, which suggests that Bill Clinton was used by a Canadian mining financier to help secure a contract in Kazakhstan. In exchange, Clinton raised a significant chunk of change from this guy for various philanthropic activities. No wonder the Clinton folks don't want these donors going public anytime soon. This is not a good story, but how much play will it get? We'll find out at tonight's debate. 

*** Feb. 5th strategies: We're starting to learn about the diverging February 5 strategies through the candidates’ schedules. Suddenly, these schedule emails are the single most important thing we receive each day. For the next few days, for instance, we're finding out that Hillary Clinton is camping out in California, while Obama is barely spending 12 hours in the state.  Meanwhile, it appears Bill Clinton will be stumping in more February 5 states than his wife will. Clinton travels to California for today’s debate and won’t leave the state until Saturday. By the way, Obama is getting some HUGE crowds. He got over 10,000 in both Denver and Phoenix.

*** Pointless money numbers: Today is the day the candidates have to file their 4th quarter FEC reports, and we'll find out how much the candidates raised and spent through December 31 which, frankly, seems more than a lifetime ago. For instance, how much of his own money did Romney spend after Dec. 31? We won't find out until April 15. How much did Clinton and Obama raise in the last month? Again, we won't find out until April 15… Today's fundraising numbers are something for the historians to pore over, not the on-the-news press corps right now.

*** On the trail: In addition to Clinton and Obama, everyone seems to be in California… A day after last night’s GOP debate, Huckabee makes two stops in the Golden State; McCain makes five, including three fundraisers and a taping of The Tonight Show; and Romney makes five, too. Among the surrogates, Bill Clinton stumps in Albuquerque, NM, and Tempe, AZ, while Ted Kennedy campaigns for Obama in Albuquerque and Santa Fe, NM

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People who say she has no experience, are inexperieced themselves. She has worked with the childrens defense fund for years, she unlike Obama has been in the Senate for 8 years and Obama been there what 2 years. She has proven to able to cross over and work to pass good bills. Like helping the 9/11 workers get better health care, to get are armed servicemen the proper care and equipment they need. She has a good record on womens issues , Where as Obama just would vote present in his state senate on womens issues. And many others, lets keep in mind Obama wants to win to he has already proven he will say  anything to get elected like being against the war. Fine so was I, and like myself he did not have a vote so it really doesn't matter what he said in 2002.
How he has voted shows a totally different story, so lets get this straight he is just another politican who plays the game to win. Sorry he won't get my vote, Because I to have dream and its not him.
This may not be the most appropriate place to post this in terms of direct relevance to something in the notes above.  However, it's at the top of the list at this point. Let me just get out front on this:

To put it succinctly, to proffer that John Edwards, the one who presented as he did during this process, does not "know" that he should endorse Obama ---- no coyness, no need for cajoling, etc., etc. ----- is to proffer that the ClintonS did not DELIBERATELY play the southern strategy.
BIG NEWS !!

'...Election 2008: California Democratic Presidential Primary

California: Clinton 43% Obama 40%
Wednesday, January 30, 2008

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in California shows Hillary Clinton with a very narrow three-percentage point lead over Barack Obama. The survey was conducted in the hours immediately following Florida’s Presidential Primary and before John Edwards dropped out of the race.

Two weeks ago, Clinton led Obama by five percentage points in California.

The survey found Edwards with 9% of the vote while 4% said they would vote for some other candidate and another 4% were not sure.

Obama had a narrow 43% to 41% advantage among the party’s liberal voters while Clinton held a 45% to 35% edge among moderate voters.

Obama held a three-point lead among white voters in the state while Clinton had a twenty-seven point lead among Hispanic voters.

Clinton trailed by eight points among men but led by ten among women.

Obama is viewed favorably by 83% of California’s Democratic Primary Voters, Clinton by 79%.

Sixty-nine percent (69%) of the state’s voters were certain they had settled on their final choice. That meant nearly a third could still change their mind, a figure that grew when Edwards left the race...'
And as for his stirring speech yesterday about building a bridge to the 20th century, no I don't want to literally go back to the 90's, but I do want to hope that we can have an economic program that will rival the prosperity of the 90's and I think Clinton will bring that.
JT, Texas (Sent Thursday, January 31, 2008 10:20 AM)

The prosperity of the 90's had nothing to do with Bill Clinton.  The internet and tech boom had the biggest impact, many factors played into the economic boom of the 90s. Bill Clinton was not one of them.
MORE BIG NEWS

'... The Huffington Post

Gallup Poll Says Obama Cut Hillary's National Lead To 6 Points
January 30, 2008 05:38 PM

Barack Obama has now cut the gap with Hillary Clinton to 6 percentage points among Democrats nationally in the Gallup Poll Daily tracking three-day average, and interviewing conducted Tuesday night shows the gap between the two candidates is within a few points. Obama's position has been strengthening on a day-by-day basis. As recently as Jan. 18-20, Clinton led Obama by 20 points. Today's Gallup Poll Daily tracking is based on interviews conducted Jan. 27-29, all after Obama's overwhelming victory in South Carolina on Saturday. Two out of the three nights interviewing were conducted after the high-visibility endorsement of Obama by Sen. Edward Kennedy and his niece Caroline Kennedy.

Clinton's lead in the three-day average is now 42% to Obama's 36%. John Edwards, who dropped out of the race Wednesday after Gallup conducted these interviews, ended his quest for the presidency with 12% support. Wednesday night's interviewing will reflect the distribution of the vote choice of former Edwards' supporters as well as the impact, if any, of Hillary Clinton's popular vote win in Florida on Tuesday....'

McCain plays hardball....ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!
McCain's afraid of hardball and dodges the questions all the time by going back to "war leader". He plays the POW card and the media continues to give him a free pass! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl9YE4G8gcY
Good morning Madam President doesn't that have a nice ring to it? The voters will snub Obama the way he snubbed Hillary.
The GOP is all about catchphrases like: stay the course, mission impossible,  and now timetables. God forbid if they can refrain from Quien es mas macho long enough to truly debate the numerous problems that their political party have caused. For instance, Bush has the audacity to threaten veto against any bills he claims are earmarks when he did nothing when the GOP WHERE IN CHARGE.  
juan, ft lauderdale, fl (Sent Thursday, January 31, 2008 10:01 AM)
Catch phrases like: Change we can  believe in, yes we can, ready on day one, give me your money as I know best, free healthcare for all (at a yet to be determined cost to you), terrorist aren’t so bad if you just talk to them, pack your bags and go home because I’m tired, free daycare for all (at a yet to be determined cost to you), no tapping phone lines if one of the terrorist could be a US citizen (or illegal), free drivers licenses and social benefits to all who enter this country illegally (if you promise to vote Democrat), additional taxes to stop climate change (even if it isn’t true), make everyone join a union (after all the Democrat Party needs your monthly dues).  Did I say more illegals get in free (tax rebates included).  Yes, I want the progressive candidate (the affirmative action candidate).
It's interesting how 'First Read' requires one to download Adobe Flash-Player in order to get the story (or at least part of the sory) on Obama's relationship with slum-lord buddy and indicted political racketeer Antoin Rezko.
Since most people probably read this blog from their desks at work, it is likely that few would bother to take the download, and 'First Read' knows that.
But, you open 'First Thoughts' today with a nice  little negative "ditty" in plain print about Hillary's finances (...an oldy but goody sung by Clinton Haters), and something about,...I don't know...running for a co-Presidency. It couldn't have been more obvious what your intent waws, if you'd printed in CAPS; "hey Barrack, ask her about the Canadian thing."
The manifest contempt MSNBC & 'First Read' continue to show towards Hillary on a daily basis has become so pronounced, as to have reached the levels of atrociousness and obscenity.
REPORT THE REZKO STORY IN PLAIN PRINT, WE DESERVE TO BE TOLD THE TRUTH ABOUT OBAMA.
With regard to the debate this evening, Obama should be considered the favorite since he's being undeservedly portrayed as Prince Charming, while Hillary is being profiled as the wicked witch with a poison apple.
He is fresh off his endorsements by Ted (The Murdering Drunk) Kennedy, and John (I let Bush Swiftboat Me) Kerry, so he should be ready to go. I wonder if what he did to Hillary at The State of The Union Address will be brought up.
Turning his back on her, refusing to shake her hand or even acknowledge her presence was surely the most adolescent, bush league, and callow act any Presidential candidate has ever engaged in.
Maybe that sort of juvenile, sophmoric behavior is acceptable elsewhere.
But, it shouldn't be within the halls of our congress, and it certainly isn't a quality we need in our President.
I hope Obama comes out and explains himself tonight. He needs to say something other than 'Hillary eats babies and shops at Walmart.'
We deserve to hear specifically what he's going to change, and how he's going to change it.
We deserve to know what his plan for Post-War Iraq would-be, and how veterans are would-be treated by his administration
We deserve to know how he intends to strengthen the economy and create jobs that pay a living wage.
We deserve to know if he would increase taxes on middle, and upper middle income households with children in them.
We deserve to know what kind of "negotiations" he would have with Iran, and what he would give away to them.
We definetly deserve to know more about the Rezko land deal that netted Obama a parcel of land, and a house at 25% of it's actual market value.
He definitely should be considered a formidable debater because of his 'salesmanship.'
But his substance is a different story, and it should be scrutinized very closely by everyone who watches or listens tonight.

HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT 2008!
Change is the residue of design, and design is the by-product of experience.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Just in time for the elections:

;...but now says she no longer shares Wal-Mart's values and believes unions "have been essential to our nation's success.,,'

Just like her 'union busting' manager, Mark Penn


From ABC News:

Clinton Remained Silent As Wal-Mart Fought Unions

Tapes Reviewed by ABC News Show Clinton As a Loyal Company Woman
(ABC News) Jan. 31, 2008
In six years as a member of the Wal-Mart board of directors, between 1986 and 1992, Hillary Clinton remained silent as the world's largest retailer waged a major campaign against labor unions seeking to represent store workers.

Clinton Was Silent As Wal-Mart Railed Against UnionsClinton has been endorsed for president by more than a dozen unions, according to her campaign Web site, which omits any reference to her role at Wal-Mart in its detailed biography of her.

Wal-Mart's anti-union efforts were headed by one of Clinton's fellow board members, John Tate, a Wal-Mart executive vice president who also served on the board with Clinton for four of her six years.

Tate was fond of repeating, as he did at a managers meeting in 2004 after his retirement, what he said was his favorite phrase, "Labor unions are nothing but blood-sucking parasites living off the productive labor of people who work for a living."

Wal-Mart says Tate's comments "were his own and do not reflect Wal-Mart's views."

But Wal-Mart founder Sam Walton and other company officials often recounted how they relied on Tate to lead the company's successful anti-union efforts.

An ABC News analysis of the videotapes of at least four stockholder meetings where Clinton appeared shows she never once rose to defend the role of American labor unions.

The tapes, broadcast this morning on "Good Morning America," were provided to ABC News from the archives of Flagler Productions, a Lenexa, Kan., company hired by Wal-Mart to record its meetings and events.

A former board member told ABCNews.com that he had no recollection of Clinton defending unions during more than 20 board meetings held in private.

Video
Clinton's Corporate SideThe tapes show Clinton in the role of a loyal company woman. "I'm always proud of Wal-Mart and what we do and the way we do it better than anybody else," she said at a June 1990 stockholders meeting.

Clinton would not agree to be interviewed on the subject but now says she no longer shares Wal-Mart's values and believes unions "have been essential to our nation's success." ...'

"It may not get play tonight, but it will most definately get play during the general if Clinton is nominated.  Rezko is nothing compared to the hundreds of millions of dirty money the Clintons have been taking over the last decade."

Work on that reading comprehension...

Rezko is nothing, "compared"? So you ADMIT that there is malfeasance there. Good for you. I don't think the Clinton Global Initiative, which has helped MILLIONS and taken in BILLIONS, has been tied to any Chicago mobsters, but then, we'll leave that to prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, dreaded even more than another hatchet job from the author of an anti-Hillary book that sold approximately 11 copies.

REZKO-GATE is something and something really bad hanging over Barry's head. That's why he unloaded another 70 grand on Tuesday night. He can give back the dirty money, but the dirt sticks...
People who say she has no experience, are inexperieced themselves. She has worked with the childrens defense fund for years, she unlike Obama has been in the Senate for 8 years and Obama been there what 2 years. She has proven to able to cross over and work to pass good bills. Like helping the 9/11 workers get better health care, to get are armed servicemen the proper care and equipment they need. She has a good record on womens issues , Where as Obama just would vote present in his state senate on womens issues. And many others, lets keep in mind Obama wants to win to he has already proven he will say  anything to get elected like being against the war. Fine so was I, and like myself he did not have a vote so it really doesn't matter what he said in 2002.
melissa (Sent Thursday, January 31, 2008 10:31 AM)

Do you honestly believe these lies and half truths you post? If so you need to open your mind and look at things again.  Or are you just like Hillary and intentionally lie and distort? If so.. go away.

Clinton has been US Senator for 7 years.
Obama has been US Senator for 3 years, and was an Illinois State Senator for 8 years.

Clinton - 7 years elected office experience.  Obama - 11 years elected office experience.

Hrmm.  Last I checked  11 > 7

You, and the other Clinton drones, have a very weak case when the only thing you drones ever post in opposition is either: Rezko, less US senate experience, his small number of present votes, or his middle name.  Oh, and all the lies about his church and faith.

Yet, page after page could be posted about Clintons' problems.
Obama rally draws 13,000 to Coliseum-video at top right--
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama challenged Arizona to seize the moment and said the time for change is now during a rally on Wednesday in Phoenix.

"I believe change in America does not happen from the top down. It happens from the bottom up," the Illinois senator said to a crowd of more than 13,000 at Arizona Veterans Memorial Coliseum.

Obama covered health care, education, immigration and foreign relations during his nearly 50-minute speech.
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http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/0131obamavisit0131.html
McCain plays hardball?  He's too old to even play shuffle-board with the rest of the old geezers.
'...Moynihan Backed Clinton; His Widow Backs Obama

By SAM ROBERTS
Published: January 31, 2008
Elizabeth B. Moynihan, the widow of Daniel Patrick Moynihan, the New York senator who, from a hayfield on his upstate farm, helped shepherd Hillary Rodham Clinton into his Senate seat, has endorsed Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination.

In an e-mail statement to the Obama campaign, Mrs. Moynihan, an architectural historian who successfully managed three of her husband’s four Senate campaigns, said she had been inspired by an Op-Ed article by Caroline Kennedy, daughter of the slain president, in The New York Times on Sunday. Mrs. Moynihan added that she was also dismayed at Bill and Hillary Clinton’s recent hostility toward Mr. Obama’s candidacy.

She wrote that her husband, who died in 2003, “would have become excited, as I have, to see Barack Obama rekindle hope in our young as he encourages them to participate in the political process, and I know Pat would approve, applaud and encourage me to join Caroline Kennedy in supporting Barack Obama’s candidacy for the Democratic nomination for president.”

“It is a rare gift to be able to inspire people to share a vision that requires commitment and dedication,” she wrote in the e-mail message, to David Axelrod, a senior adviser to Mr. Obama.

“The hope that John Kennedy characterized for Americans spread across the world, then faded with his death,” Mrs. Moynihan wrote. “I believe Obama, like Kennedy, has the gift to transcend obstacles and to inspire Americans to bring out the best in themselves. I firmly believe the election of Barack Obama would help restore hope and America’s image in the world.”...'

Gabe Holt - it was obvious he meant to say we must NOT slow down our economy to combat global warming.  
I hope that Hillary plays more to the national fight she is going to have then, to Obama's little games. It could backfire on him.
One thing you never do is snub someone on national camera, for shame Obama didn't your mother raise you better. I noticed the next day Kennedy had cooled he's tone about the Clinton's and Edwards(he must not of liked it) Good job, brillant.

Sierra, marbw if you think that anyone will change their mind because of what you say you are wrong, we can see through the smoke and mirrors.
I can't help but wonder how Sentor Obama would have voted on the Iraq issue had he of been priviledged to see the same information as Senator Edwards and Senator Clinton.  
JT, Texas (Sent Thursday, January 31, 2008 10:20 AM)

Knowledge is your friend.  You don't seem to realize that the information Edwards and Clinton had was the SAME information available to the general public.  The ONLY classified information was in a classified document that only -6- senators read.  The 6 senators that read it, voted against the authorization of the use of force against Iraq bill.  Obama's vantage point was the exact same as Edwards and Clinton.  They had the SAME information.  Edwards and Clinton never read the classified info.
For JT, Texas
Barack Obama 2002 Iraq interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXzmXy226po

Barack Obama (HRC gave GWB blank check)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ-rdZ2TcII&NR=1

Hillary Clinton on Iraq
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyC7loMop58&feature=related

Clinton Smears Obama on Iraq — Again
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/01/6850_clinton_smears.html

Bill Clinton 2003 (in 2007 He says something different)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWm8riukyeM

Barack Obama:  The quote he(B Clinton)  keeps on feeding back was an interview on 'Meet the Press' at the National Convention when Tim was asking, 'Given your firm opposition to the war, what do you make of the fact that your nominee for president and vice president didn't have that same foresight.' And obviously I didn't want to criticize them on the eve of their nomination.
''But, I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports,'' Mr. Obama said. ''What would I have done? I don't know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.''  And: "What I don't think was appropriate was the degree to which Congress gave the president a pass on this."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP0AeT3VUgM

KNOW THE FACTS
http://factcheck.barackobama.com/
More than half of Ca. voters have already cast their absentee ballots. Barry will lose BIG.

The great news is that your long, boring, ridiculous crap that clogs up this blog like scuz in a bathroom drain will be over in less than a week...
The phone call based polls are misleading because they only question land lines...how many people out there don't have land lines but instead solely rely on their cell phones?  And what about all those people with caller ID who won't answer the phone because it looks like its another soliciter? And what about all the poor people, who minorities who don't have phones?  
I like the Republican positions on finishing out the Iraq commitment but only if it's a jumping off point to a more effective counter terrorism policy.

I like the Republican position on Health Care being a personal responsibility but where is the government's sense of responsibility to ordinary Americans to make it affordable?

I like the Republican approach of no amnesty for illegals. I don't support freeloaders but where is the legislation to punish employers for using these people and contributing to the problem?

I like the Republican ideas of not interfering in the market but it's not market interference to strengthen consumer protection laws and create a level playing field.

What I see about the Republican party that distresses me is an unwillingness to regulate dishonest players in the market. It is not free enterprise to let businesses prey on people with exorbitant rates and dishonest contracts that leave Americans without homes or health care.

It's like saying we allow robbers and bandits because it's free enterprise.

Come on Republicans - how about FAIR enterprise for ordinary Americans?
Any Obama supporters that think the New York Post endorsement was a positive have to be brain dead. The owner of the post, Mr.Murdock is to the right of Atilla the hun. The only reason that Obama got the endorsement is because they know that if he is the nominee they will defeat him in November.
I hear my erstwhile admin is busy hanging chads in nyny.
What is it with Democrats and them building bridges? Clinton built a bridge to the 21ist century. Barack is building some kind of bridge that goes somewhere. Edwards drove under a bridge yesterday that had "200 homeless people" living under it. When Fox News asked the Edwards campaign where that bridge was, they didn't know. Hint: It doesn't exist.
J, Ohio,

And the internet boom was responsible for a balanced budget too?
McCain didn't play hard ball, he sounded like a demented old man, stuck on timetable.....He is a liar, plain and simple.
If the American people vote for McCain, that is the end of the true Republican Party.
"About half of voters are expected to use mail-in ballots -- which have been available since Jan. 7 -- and Clinton was romping over Obama among that group, 53% to 30%. Among those expecting to cast ballots in a traditional precinct visit, the race was a closer 42% to 34% in Clinton's favor. Former Massachusetts Gov. Romney was also running stronger among mail-in voters, if still behind McCain."


http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-me-poll29jan29,1,5092615.story?track=crosspromo

23 points, is that a lot?

HA HA!
Orthodox Jew For Obama

Councilman Simcha Felder, a Brooklyn Democrat and likely 2009 comptroller candidate, was asked last night by Orthodox Jewish radio personality Nachum Segal who he will be voting for on Feb. 5 and his answer raised the eyebrows of at least one listener/DP reader.

Felder said he's planning to vote for Barack Obama in "protest" to the racially-tinged tactics employed by Hillary Clinton's campaign in South Carolina.

Felder spokesman Eric Kuo confirmed that his boss will be voting for Obama, but stressed that he is neither campaigning for nor endorsing the Illinois senator.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2008/01/one-orthodox-jew-for-obama.html
HELLO fIRST READ,
When Hillary or bill attracts big crowd, at least on this site, it does not get mentionned, but when Obama does, it is all over the place, even John Edwards a day before his withdraw, attracted close to 3500 people in MN, i have not read it here at all.
As for the contributions of a Canadian mining financier, so what, it was for a charitable organization.  And I have difficulty understanding what influence Bill Clinton had in Kazakhstan, and if he did, what does it have to do with HILLARY'S campaign.  You want to forget the Rezko contributions to Obama, and we have no idea what he did to get those, but he gave them to charity, where is the difference other than the amount?
Obama says, "Clinton is polarizing some times votes with GOP."  I thought Obama is suppose to be the guy to bring us together.  Is he now showing his real far-left liberal face?  I think yes, this guy is just another far-left progressive and his only interest is the liberal agenda.  
The NY post is the national enquirer of NY News and they are also owned by Rupert Murdoch  who owns FOX. MAybe the GOP doesnt want to run Clinton against Mccain.  Hmmm  food for thought.

I agree with campdog, hopefully tonite  with just the two of them, we will really see who will better serve us, based onexperience and knowledge.  Chris MAtthews and keith the sports guy Oberman aside, who will be salivating to chomp on Hillary, no matter how the debate goes. May the best person win!
The NY post is the national enquirer of NY News and they are also owned by Rupert Murdoch  who owns FOX. MAybe the GOP doesnt want to run Clinton against Mccain.  Hmmm  food for thought.

I agree with campdog, hopefully tonite  with just the two of them, we will really see who will better serve us, based onexperience and knowledge.  Chris MAtthews and keith the sports guy Oberman aside, who will be salivating to chomp on Hillary, no matter how the debate goes. May the best person win!
Foreign Policy Forum   .... Nov 27th, 2007
 Barack Obama and several of his top foreign policy advisors held a foreign policy forum   in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. Panelists included:

Richard Danzig – Former secretary of the Navy under President Clinton
Tony Lake – National Security Advisor to President Clinton
Adm. John Hutson (USN Ret.) – Bow, NH resident; Dean of Franklin Pierce Law Center; former U.S. Navy Judge Advocate General and nationally-known expert on detention and interrogation
Samantha Power – Pulitzer Prize-winning author and renowned professor of human rights and foreign policy
Susan Rice – Former Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs
Senator Barack Obama

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post_group/ObamaHQ/Cx7J

LEARN & ISSUES
http://www.barackobama.com/index.php
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
http://www.barackobama.com/speeches/index.php
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

Obama's plan-- download THE BLUEPRINT FOR CHANGE
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

KNOW THE FACTS
http://factcheck.barackobama.com/
Obama has little experience, alot of hot air,and I still don't know what he stands for. The Clintons are as powerful as the Bushes and we need them to win for the dems. It will be Hillary and McCain and she will prevail...first female president.Go Hillary!!!!


Romney is done after next week.  Everybody knows this, including you guys.  The other two are done as well, but they don't know it.  

McCain/Romney has been in the works, but is doubtful that it will work. Too much fur has flown.

McCain/Huck more likely... and they will lose even to a limping Democrat... McCain 71 years old and the other a Baptist preacher.  Two old white boys.  Not this year. No way.

It is also becoming apparent to the Clintons just how much they need Obama in the general.  A quiet Obama would stiffen the wind a lot.

I wrote here a few months ago that the Clintons made Obama a deal no one (me included) thought he could refuse.

He threw it back at them and walked out the door.  They vowed revenge, but now that revenge is proving way too costly.  Look for a nicer Hillary and Bill (at least in the daylight).

And watch the Obama slime team go to work on Bill's global poker party. Much grist for the slime mill. You'll see what I mean.  It will make the Rezko nonsense look like diminutive sweet potatoes.

In short, one way or another, Obama holds the key to who will be the next president of the United States.

And it is dawning on the Clintons a tad late in the game.

I see many of the male political pundits are going after Hillary and showing their hatred and fear of her. Can't they see it just makes the Clintons stronger when they do this? If they keep it up she is going to win. Obama is fizzling. A Clinton Obama ticket would be awesome though.
Wow!!!  Imagine that.  Mr Clinton asking millionaires to donate to his Clinton Foundation which has been doing incredible work.  Maybe he should just go door to door asking for 10 dollars!  Give me a break.  All large foundations seek out large supporters and wealthy donors and his is no exception.  Mr Clinton did not receive 31 million; his foundation did.  
Once again there seems to be such a bias against Hillary.  Did MSNBC even report on the Rezko fiasco?
Vote for mcwar at your own peril...he has said there will be more wars on his watch...too bad he won't make the cheerleaders in his party send their kids to die and be maimed though...
Go dems! we need a dem in the white house for 8 yrs to just start cleaning up bushs messes.how about clinton for 8 and obama for 8?
I heard an interview this morning with an advisor to Huckabee in which he admitted the truth about the Fair Tax for the first time.  The primary goal of the Fair Tax, he said, is to reduce the Capital Gains and corporate income tax to zero.  Between that and a significantly reduced tax rate on upper income earners this amounts to the biggest tax decrease in history, all directed at the rich.
JUST IN FROM THE AP. BARACK OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN RAISED 30,000,000 in JANURARY ALONE.Come on 1st read, get with the NEWS!!!!!!!!
A list of election polls released yesterday show the race dramatically tightening, with Obama now getting closer in Massachusetts, California and even New York. Check the full roundup of the ground shifting: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2008/01/ground-is-shifting-in-obamas-favor-but.html
Campaign manager David Plouffe says he's raised $32 million this month.

That would be more than $1 million a day.

Ben Smith www.politico.com

This explains the ads in every state...happy to do my part.  Think I will go donate again





McCain is an idiot and he showed that last night. Clinton and McCain are two wings of the same Bird , they can look the American people in the eye and LIE with a smile on there face.

Huckabee won that debate hands down.

Romney did a good job of showing the country how senile,angry,and dishonest McCain is.

Ron Paul needs to grow a back bone , it's no wonder people think he is a joke.
From Salon,com:

'...Wednesday, Jan. 30, 2008 16:30 EST
Quote of the day

"I can say this, that, you know, being a Southerner, being an American who's been completely devastated by the trade policies of the Clintons, I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure that he does not endorse Hillary Clinton."

-- Dave "Mudcat" Saunders, a senior advisor to former Sen. John Edwards' now-defunct presidential
campaign, during an appearance on MSNBC earlier Wednesday....'
Campdog . . .

Now that it's down to just two maybe we can end the confrontation and start a conversation.  

When the candidates positions are placed side by side there just isn't that much to argue about and that should be seen as a possitive!  Now we can decide who has the experiance, passion and drive to achieve the goals of the party.

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I'll take it you are talking about the Democrats. It is also true for the Republicans, it's just that two of them look to be using up their Frequent Flyer miles before they get off the stage.

The difference between the Clintons and Obama positions is negligible. They are both Socialists. Hillary trys to play the middle, but really fails in her efforts. There is no problem that she doesn't want to fix with huge government program.

Hillary and Bill do have the so-called "experience". He was President for eight years and governor forever. Hillary though is fudging her experience, and at last look, she's the one running for President.

Obama, as Biden stated, is the more "Cleaner" candidate. Not much history, both with experience or with corruption. He's got this Rezco issue hanging around him, which when compared to the Clinton's misdeeds is next to nothing. Obama would much more easily be able to work with Republicans then the Clinton's would be able to. Republicans just hate the Clinton's, and even many Democrats have grown tired of having to defend Bill and Hillary through the years. Obama would have an easier time winning in November because, if you don't like the Clinton's, you really, really, don't like the Clinton's. Those voters will be motived to vote against her.

There are you rchoices on the Democrat side. Not the best group to choose from, and nothing moderate about them.
McCain LIES! HE'S RUDE, MOUTHY, COCKY, ARROGANT, FULL OF SELF IMPORTANCE AND INTO GLORIFYING HIMSELF! MCCAIN IS A TOTAL CREEP AND NEEDS TO SLITHER HOME. I'LL NEVER VOTE FOR HIM IF HE WERE THE ONLY NOMINEE ON EITHER SIDE. I'D RATHER DO WITHOUT A PRESIDENT THAN TO HAVE HIM.


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