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Last night's debate

Posted: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:06 AM by Domenico Montanaro

How sunny were the two candidates? So sunny that the New York Times used a picture of the two with the biggest smiles either one has ever shown on the trail. “Gone were the sharp and sometimes personal attacks that have characterized a year’s worth of debates, particularly a combative session last week in South Carolina, which both sides conceded had tarnished their images. Still, the candidates were at pains to lay out their differences on issues like national health care, the Iraq war and experience in their last appearance together before voters in more than 20 states weigh in Tuesday on the presidential nominating fight.”

The Los Angeles Times’ lead: "The Iraq war reemerged Thursday as a dividing line between the two major Democrats remaining in the presidential contest, as Barack Obama used a Los Angeles debate to argue he has the judgment to lead the nation out of war and Hillary Rodham Clinton asserted that she has the gravitas to do the same… The gravest distinction came on the war, which loomed large as an issue as the presidential race began but has gradually diminished in the Democratic contests. With the war again the focus, the race reverted to the campaign's purest distillation: Clinton's experience against Obama's judgment." 
 
USA Today: "The debate was more civil in tone than the combative exchanges between the two at last week's debate in South Carolina, when he derided her role on the Wal-Mart board and she hurled back the name of his controversial fundraiser now under indictment. But it was no less tough in substance. Each sharply promoted his or her own credentials for the Oval Office -- and prospects for managing to get there -- over the other."

“But no rules or referees were needed in this kindest and calmest of forums,” the Boston Globe writes. “When Barack Obama started the night by declaring his eternal friendship with Hillary Clinton - and pointing out, accurately, that 95 percent of their policy notions are identical - it didn't exactly set the stage for conflict. What followed was a quiet, detailed discussion of policy issues, focused at times on minute differences, peppered with occasional bouts of mutual admiration.”

The New York Daily News: “And the Oscar for the most cordial, polite, downright friendly performance after a month of ripping each other on the primary trail goes to: Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama for their debate Thursday night.”

Politico's Roger Simon: "Except for the war -- and it was a big exception -- Clinton had a good evening, however. Debates emphasize issues, and Clinton loves to talk about issues, sometimes to Obama’s frustration." More from Roger: "Hillary Clinton thought she had driven a stake through it, but it turns out to be the issue that will not die: She voted to authorize the Iraq war, she refuses to say it was a mistake and she refuses to apologize for it.  And Barack Obama continues to whack her for it."

When Variety decides they should do a story on a debate, then it must mean Hollywood and the Democratic Party have intertwined. "Sure, there was a carnival atmosphere outside the Kodak Theater on Hollywood Boulevard, where the usual assortment of costumed superheroes and characters wore campaign buttons, and some in the audience were decked in gowns and high heels, as if it were Oscar night. In the audience were Stevie Wonder, Steven Spielberg, Pierce Brosnan, Diane Keaton, Rob Reiner, Leonardo DiCaprio, Garry Shandling, Bradley Whitford and Sherry Lansing, among others.”

Per NBC’s Lauren Appelbaum, here are timings from the debate:
Clinton: 41:15 -- 20 questions
Obama: 37:09 -- 18 questions

NBC/NJ’s Athena Jones has a few tidbits from the spin room after the debate. With multiple mentions of Edwards’ name during the debate, it was no surprise to hear Clinton strategist Mark Penn talk about coveted Edwards voters. "I think a lot of those voters are out there deciding," he said. "I think they haven't decided yet."

When asked about trying to win over Edwards supporters, Penn talked about how Clinton could appeal to them. "I think she has a lot of things that appeal to the voters. If you notice her health-care plan is a universal health-care plan like Sen. Edwards'. I think the kind of compassion that she's had for people, the kind of work that she has done since the Children's Defense Fund on issues like poverty, I think play very importantly," he said.

In the space of merely a week, Bill Clinton has gone from quarrelsome to bland to downright syrupy about the Democratic race for the White House, NBC/NJ’s Carrie Dann notes. Speaking to a crowd of about 2,500 at the University of Arizona, Clinton declared his wife's performance at last night’s debate "magnificent," but -- without missing a beat -- added that "Senator Obama was also very good."

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The nation saw last night that Hillary was better suited for the presidency no matter what MSNBC commentators may say. MsNBC commentators are willing to create news rather than report news.
The nation saw last night that Hillary was better suited for the presidency no matter what MSNBC commentators may say. MsNBC commentators are willing to create news rather than report news.
Actually, Brian has articulated exactly what I have been feeling...only I am a Republican, not an Independent. I am voting for, cheering for Obama this time around.  ( and by the way,  I am old and white)Hillary would send me running with open arms to McCain.  Romney Clinton would make me stay home.  YIKES.  I wonder how many others of us are out there.
Obama and Romney would be a great match up and something to vote for in November. It would give us a fresh choice and free us from the chains of the past. The most voters would come out to vote across the board and energize the Nation. The old guard wouldn't like it and be so surprised we voters are as smart as I know we are. Don't let the "old guard" take your choice away. Vote for Obama and Mitt and let them know who is running things.

dogshowkris
Rancho Murieta, CA
Jaycee, I'm impressed and moved by your impassioned discussion of the dream of a new generation and the ways an old dream can be sacrificed in favor of a new, more important dream (and need) for our country.  

Although I still believe there is a need for a woman to hold office in the White House, I agree with the question that some people pose:  Is this really the right woman?  And I think the answer is no.  

When I was younger and more naïve, I couldn’t help but think that were there a woman in the White House things would be better—perhaps there would be more compassion and more peace.  

I know that Hillary is a passionate woman and that she’s been an advocate for important democratic ideals, but I think Elizabeth’s points above are inescapable:  

Over the last few weeks, Hillary has let her drive and ruthless ambition get the best of her passion.  Both she and her husband have disappointed and disgusted me, and when she insisted she would seat the Michigan and Florida delegates after the Florida non-primary I found myself in tears, worried I might someday have to vote for this win-at-all-costs cheater who (along with her husband) is willing to sacrifice the ideals we hold so dearly (integrity, honesty, the idea that we are not merely the color of our skin…).  

When former President Clinton compared Barack’s potential win in South Carolina to Jesse Jackson’s win, my jaw dropped.  Clinton was demonstrating the kind of destructive selfishness that he evidenced with the Lewinsky affair, and he has not changed—although this time his selfishness has the guise of helping his wife instead of devastating her, he has proven that to the Clinton’s the ends justify the means, no matter who they hurt in the process.  Unfortunately for us, we are the ones who risk the enduring pain such backwards divisiveness will bring.


Independent Voter, and all those who are saying they dont want to go back to Clinton's time... I find it very unrealistic... how can you go back to the 90's?  can you explain it? from where did you get that idea?  it is really yours or did you got it from some white media men?

can you tell me, what was the big crime?  what was the big mistake that Bill said or did that cost someone to die?  what was the big mistake that made the USA to loose credibility or the respect internationally?  
what exactly was the sin of Bill or Hillary that affect your economy or security and safety for you or your family?  
are you sure you dont want togo back or are you just one of those women who are so machism oriented that they cannot accept that another women has the power, teh credibility and courage to become president?

WHAT IS THE REAL MOTIVE BEHIND YOUR COMMENT? AREYOU REALLY AWARE OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?
Independent Voter, and all those who are saying they dont want to go back to Clinton's time... I find it very unrealistic... how can you go back to the 90's?  can you explain it? from where did you get that idea?  it is really yours or did you got it from some white media men?

can you tell me, what was the big crime?  what was the big mistake that Bill said or did that cost someone to die?  what was the big mistake that made the USA to loose credibility or the respect internationally?  
what exactly was the sin of Bill or Hillary that affect your economy or security and safety for you or your family?  
are you sure you dont want togo back or are you just one of those women who are so machism oriented that they cannot accept that another women has the power, teh credibility and courage to become president?

WHAT IS THE REAL MOTIVE BEHIND YOUR COMMENT? AREYOU REALLY AWARE OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?
As part of the Gen-Y crowd (I'm a 27-year-old female), I have to say that I'm just so incredibly proud to have these two candidates to choose between!  What a pleasure to actually get to decide between two intelligent, thoughtful, bright-eyed politicians instead of the usual "lesser of two evils" game.  Last night's debate made me proud to be a Democrat, and while I still strongly support Hillary, I'm pleased to say that Obama won me over for the first time last night.  If he were to get the nomination, I'll be thrilled to support him all the way to the White House.  BUT - I still think that Hillary's the better choice in this particular election.  She's unbelievably quick with facts and genuinely has the country's best interests at heart - which I think will be a significant strength against the GOP nom in the presidential debates.  I'm not sure why people are so quick to say that Obama is the only candidate that would be a "change" - before he was a significant contender, the idea of a female president was the most novel idea in American history.  Just because she took her husband's last name doesn't mean she's not her own person with her own ideas.  I think she's proven herself as more than capable of making her own decisions.

And speaking of decisions... I think it's important to remember that in 2002 when she voted in favor of sending an investigation team to the Middle East, we lived in a country that had just been attacked, when Americans were scared to get their mail for fear of anthrax, and when we had absolutely no idea what the terrorists were planning.  I think she made an intelligent decision that unfortunately, thanks to Bush's gross mismanagement, has worked against her in this election - but for all of the wrong reasons.  She obviously opposes the war, and has made it perfectly clear that had she been president at the time, this whole conflict would have been nipped in the bud at the beginning.  It's a shame that people can't take the political climate of 2002 into consideration.

Either way - how fantastic to have a win-win situation for the Democrats!
Hillary Clinton is clearly the winner in last night's debate. She is seasoned, she is baked, she is well done, and she is ready to go. A vote for Mrs. Clinton is a vote for progress. We don't need another 4 years of uncertainty. She can get the job done and done right, period. Whenever we go for important positions in any established, our experirence(s)gets us closer to the door. We want to hire for the most important job on earth, The office of The President of The United States of America, and we don't think experince is important?. Give me a break. The office of the President is not an entry level position. The ecomony, Our children's education, healthcare, safety, jobs, and a host of other social issues are at stake. We cannot afford to go by the slogan "change". Change can occur from bad to worse.

After 9/11 Americans were so outraged on the assault on American soil that claimed thousands of innocent lives, jobs, and billions of dollars in reckage. Most Americans wanted something done if that meant war. We were so angry, so enraged. We applauded when the congress voted to go to war. Americans wanted  something done, remember?. Okay, the war didn't turn out well. It is lasting longer than expected. we are losing our young men and women in record numbers and crippling the country's economy. To blame Mrs. Clinton for voting for the war when most Americans felt same is absolute nonesence.

She voted because she is a true American. She was angry like millions of Americans, she was concerned like millions of Americans, she was scared like millions of Americans, and she was uncertain like millions of Americans. If this can happen right in our backyard, what next?. Yesterday is gone but not forgotten. It will make for better tomorrow. Vote Hillary Clinton for President.    
Jaycee... thank you!!!!! Your comment truly spoke to me!
I am a 30 year old that will be making my first vote ever. It is not due to lack of responsibility, but due to lack of having someone inspire me. For the first time - I find myself going home to watch everything going on with the election and reading about the candidates opinions on issues. I say this because I think I am one of the millions that will show up ready to change the role we play as a united America. It is time! The younger generations have sat on the sidelines to long!

My opinion is that in order to have a 100% change, we have to have a 100% change in the president - and I don't see that with a "Clinton". Again... just my opinion.

Jaycee... I thank you again!

Take care
The debate last night was really good.  Hillary was excellent and Obama finally gave us some substance, but not enough for us to vote for him.  He still needs some experience, which he doesn't have.

GO HILLARY
I liked the last night debate, as they both were very civilized. Hilary exhibited immense depth of knowledge, strength, courage, and heart. Obama always very good. However, he failed to portray an impage of know-how and brilliance that I seek in a person who will be the commender-in-chief.
I read with the interests comments by a few of you raised in 60s - I was not born then. As a higly educated professional, I truly find it illogical to dump Bill Clinton's fault on Hilary, and perceiving this presidencey as the 3rd Bill Clinton administrations:
(I) Hillary is a smart woman. She is not a subject of manipulation. It is time to recognize the beauty of the brain of many intelligent woman. I guess that the assumption of the 3rd Clinton, rather than 1st Hilary, enhances this mis-assumption.

(II) Historically, Hilary has been much more progressive and policy wonk than Bill. Indeed, many of the good actions by Bill Clinton's administration was most likely inspired by her (and not much vice versa as we see him on the train). BUT, she should not be undermined because of him.  She deserves better than that.

(III) I think we should ask our self who is better for the US? In this rapidly changing economical market, the answer is Hillary. Despite Baraks' appeal and his relative youth, Hillary on every ground (that really matters to daily life of citizens) surpass him. By the way, I do not find Barak Obama young - he is about a decade older than I am. I find kind amusing to call a baby boomer such as Barak, a youth :) (No offense was intended to all of those who are young at heart).

(IV) I have always had strong anti-war opinion. I do not justify Hillary's decision, but I am not sure if Barak was in the senate, he would have voted differently, as illustrated in some of his later speeches (please listen to them). All of us make mistakes, unfortunately, as women on top jobs, in a widely not very objective media, she can not effort to simply say that it was a mistake. Mistakes are relative - they are time -dependent, ... If you listen to her speech in the US senate, it was quite clear that she voted to "potential" military implications. THere is  a HUGE difference between a potential and an action. I think that we are hitting on her illogically.

(IV) THe US democrates have the opportunity to vote for the best candidate.
Have a nice day
Democrats have to stick with what we have been winning with.  Opposing the war in Iraq is how the Democrats won the House and how Democrats won the Senate.  Hillary is unable to divorce herself from the war.  Obama allows us to remain clearly against the Iraq war.

Democrats are missing the importance of the Hillary's vote for the war.  Obama talked about it last night, but I don't think Democrats have considered the impact that Hillary's vote for the war will have on the general election should she win the nomination.  

Republicans are not going to attack as softly as Obama does.  The Republican are not on her team.  They are going to attack Hillary and her vote with all the normal attacks.  

-----They'll say that she is a cut-and-run liberal, and

-----They'll say that she is soft on defense, and

-----They'll say that she doesn't have the stomach to see wars through to the end, and

-----They will say that she flip-flops on issues.

When they and their supporters make these charges against her over the war, Democrats and their supporters (myself included) will have to defend her.    It is important to note that they would make the same accusations (with the exception of the flip-flop label) against Obama should he be nominated.

The problem with Hillary is that her position is weak.  Most democrats, and democratic radio hosts, and democratic pundits, were all against the war.  And the only defense we have to use on her behalf is that long, convoluted answer she gave last night.  And that answer just doesn't hold water.  As everybody who saw the debate last night knows, she just doesn't have the facts to win that debate.

If the Democrats nominate Hillary, then they (we) lose the ability to effectively argue against the war.  As we saw last night, Hillary is married to the war and nominating her will marry the Democrats to the war.  The Republicans will have forced the Iraq war down Democrats throat and then stuck us with the responsibility for it in the election.  

If Democrats don't want to bear the responsibility of the war but instead want to argue against the war, then we have no choice but to nominate Barak Obama.  As Obama himself said, he can and will make a clear contrast.  Without any hitches or doubts to his position, he will focus the party against the war.  To the eyes of an undecided independent voter the responsibility for the war will lie squarely with the the Republicans.
Amazing the Ted Kennedy's name came up twice.
Amazing at the coverage that MSNBC gave to the endorsement of a person still trading on the names of his dead brothers.

Many of us are still old enough to remember how a drunk Ted Kennedy left Mary Jo Kopechne to drown while not reporting the incident to the police for 10 hours.  His family money got him off with two months probation.  As jokster Keith would like to say, Ted Kennedy - Worst Person In The World!

It is still the economy and health care for many people and on that basis, Hillary Clinton will win the nomination.  I am not ready to roll the dice on Senator Obama, I just don't believe that he is electable.
I'm trying to figure out why no one is commenting on the fact that Senator Clinton has still not explained what the penalty will be for those who do not obtain health insurance once it is mandated. That is a big question.

Also, is the beaurocracy associated with keeping up with who has paid for insurance and who hasn't a justifiable cost?

In my judgement senator Clinton has all qualities to become the president.In last night's debate as always she excelled exhibiting confidence, knowledge, substance,clarity and will power.Mr Obama might be the  the newest poster boy in the US politics  but it is unfair to marginalise  Ms Clinton who has worked herself to the top through sheer dedication and commitment.The criticism labelled against her that she is  polarising and divisive are  simply rhetorics spewed by her opponents and critics. In addition the charge that she  is and will be under the shadow  her husband is absurd. Surely a man of President Clinton stature at her disposal is an asset to her politically. In all fairness her vision and  political undertakings all these years makes her a viable candidate for the presidency.The notion  many in this country carry that  the US  is not ready for a woman president is laughable and  difficult to digest.
I would love to see Hillary and Obama on the Clinton-Obama ticket , it is the nice chemistry.Obama can learn the rope and be ready 8 years from now. By then he will have enough experience to run the whitehouse.
I hate to say it but Obama seems to have a better agenda in a couple of key areas. Iraq needs to be ended and one year seems right. Immigration needs a firm/fair yet humanistic policy. Healthcare is an issue that Hillary knows better and her plan sounded better.  Ergo; Obama Pres / Clinton V.P. sounds like the ticket to me. I could picture Biden as Secretary of State and Kucinich in Homeland Security. I better wake-up, McCain and the bushies are like roaches.
Elizabeth.  I thought your comments regarding Hillary were extremely insightful.  I have never doubted her basic competence (or eloquence)but too often she has blown with the wind on crucial issues like Iraq.   This leaves me with the unmistakeable impression that Hillary wants power too much for its own sake (rather than to use it for good) and lacks the core instinctive values of a truly great leader.  Watching Obama is a welcome reminder that such leaders (although exceptionally rare) do still come along from time to time.  Watching Obama reminds me of Bobby Kennedy and this is the highest praise I could bestow on any politician.    
John  - it is unfortunate that you and others are "staying with"  the false information re Obama being a Muslim - but apparently you are,   as an aside  - so what if he were?  As to the Clintons  - trust & believe  - they are sophisticated  - have played in this game before  - can take care of themselves  - and more important  - they truly have their "own"  issues!!!  

On a more positive note, I agree as a baby boomer   - that are days have been long  and whatever  - now it is time for the next generation to take all of us to a higher place!!!!!
Why can't Obama be patient and humble?  He has the right makeup for a next generation leader.  He has much to learn.  He has to understand that pretty speeches are not enough to save lives.  He should not negate what other democrats have done in the past 16 years in or outiside washington.  I like him originally but was turned off when he started to label Hillary and others as "Washington insiders" and when he claims that people do not want to go back to 90s.  The hypocracy turns people off!  Is Obama a "Washington Insider"?  He's working in Washington!  Is Ted Kennedy a "Washington Insider"? Obama can not wait to jump around with Ted's endorsement!  Is he really that smart about voting agaist the war?  I don't give that claims $2!  It's easier to say you opposed the war now.  Anyway, I hope he grow up and be ready to lead 8 years later.  A lot of those "Transformational politics" are simply load of hot air!  If a terrific stump speech can enroll one person in health care, if it can drop the gas price by $1, if it can prevent one family from foreclosure, then you can talk all you want.  If not, please be humble and try to learn solve the problems!
First read - come clean, you really are on Obama's payroll aren't you?  If you are not it is time to be fair and unbiased unless you really are owned by fox (then we know why you are unfair and biased).  So, fess up, inquiring minds want to know.
The Vietnam---I'm sorry, the Iraq---question did it for me.  Hillary can talk the talk, but she voted the vote.  I agree with Jaycee that Obama's got the youth vote on his side for good reason, and Billary's got too much baggage for the Republican Swiftboat Machine to get into. I thought Bill was a great president, but he's acted like a bully and a jerk in this campaign.  Sorry, Hil, the dynastic duo must end.
"Hope is just a soundbite that seems to enthrall most of you."
--HMT-MI, that seems kind of depressing to me.  Life is hopeless, vote Hillary?
--Turn the page, Vote for a Better Tomorrow, Vote-bama!
"Senator Obama proved that he is not just a "speechmaker", but a policy maker as well. He is truly the total package, and I was very proud of his performance last night.

Senator Clinton also had an excellent debate. I think the problem I continue to have with "the Clintons" is how easily they can morph from elegant statespeople into political hacks. When they are in their best form, they have no equal. Sadly, the same can be said when they are at their worst, as we learned in Nevada and New Hampshire."

I couldn't agree more, last night was the first debate where neither candiate outshined the other...nor did either canidate do poorly...

I agree with that post, in that Hillary is a very good canidate...my main concern isn't so much with her message...its the messanger per se...Here is what I mean; as Bill said in NH, there really isn't much difference in their policy proposals...to me it is simply the political reality that the right HATES Hillary, I do not think it is fair by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm not so naive as to ignore its impact...
If McCain is the Nominee he WILL take some independants...but, in NH, where he campaigned all year he took somewhere around 38% of the Independants to Baracks 43% (Hillary and John split the remainder)...

But, the main difference then becomes who has a more energized base...if Barack is the nominee, Republicans won't turn out they way they will need to...you have heard them say it..."Republicans who don't like McCain and are threatening to sit out this election, will show up not to vote for McCain...but to vote against Clinton" Has anyone heard them attack Obama? Not really, in fact at the NH debate both Romney and Huckabee praised him (said something along the lines of "republicans better wake up, and give him credit.") as did McCain...

That is why I'm voting for Obama...if the Democrats don't win in Nov. all of these debates over Hillary or Barack and Barack or Hillary are irrelevant, b/c Republicans will win...Don't get to onfident Dems, McCain is No Bush, if we chose to dismiss that idea, we do so at our own peril.
msnbc sucks .my ass is more balanced. then they are. bet this dont get printed
Nashville Fan she has explained, just like Obama and Edwards she is offering Health Care Tax Credits.
Same as the guys, I also didn't see you question Edwards about his universal health care. And if you think really hard, when she ends the Iraqi war that will put 300,000,000 million a month back in to our budget. I even have heard Obama say this samething.

I live in Minnesota and I believe we have this countries best health care system here. We consintrate on preventive health care, we offer health care to everyone in the state who can not get it anywhere else. And if you are old enough you will remember she used Minnesota Health Care as an example,
we are still here and its still just as easy to get health care here as it was in the 90's.

Our Doctors are rated high, and our hospitals are outstanding. So with any hope everyone can have this
and I truely believe this is her major project next to stopping the war.

Oh yeah we are not fined. and Ithink this is similar to what she wants and I am all for it.
I am I the only one that can see that Hilary Clinton has to keep putting Obama down to make herself look good?
I am I the only one that can see that Hilary Clinton has to keep putting Obama down to make herself look good?
Who is the Best, Right, Good, and Qualified presidential candidate to be the next President? The Answer: The candidate that God (The Creator of Heaven and Earth) has chosen, and will choose, elect, and put into office in November and for the next four years or 8 years (He willing); via every voters vote (including yours and mine). So, no matter what negative things you or others may say or do to hurt or stop a candidate from winning, I Promise or Guarantee you, that God's chosen candidate WILL win, whether Clinton or Obama; or whether you or I like it or not. I'm for whoever God chooses through me and others. Amen!


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