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The Clinton camp's expectations

Posted: Monday, February 04, 2008 5:20 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Mark Murray
On the eve of Super Tuesday, the Clinton campaign held a conference call with reporters stressing: 1) that they expect to be ahead in total delegates (including super delegates) after tomorrow's contests; and 2) that the Clinton-Obama race might not be decided until March, April, or even the Democratic convention.

The conference call came on the heels of an Obama campaign memo, which predicted that after tomorrow, they expect to be within 100 delegates of the Clinton camp's count. One could argue that as the race has tightened, the Obama folks are setting that expectations bar quite low.

And perhaps so are the Clinton folks. In the call, communications director Howard Wolfson said that come, February 6, Clinton will be leading Obama in overall delegates, including the unpledged superdelegates -- the governors, members of Congress, and party leaders who also play a role in deciding the Democratic nominee.

Clinton chief strategist Mark Penn noted that the race will be far from over on Tuesday. "We don't expect this to be decided tomorrow," he said. "The delegate hunt will continue."

"The nominating battle," Wolfson added, "is likely to continue well past" Super Tuesday -- possibly into March, April or even the convention.

Penn also said on the call that the polls do show the Clinton-Obama race to be tightening (attributing some of it to an influx of Edwards' support). But he reminded reporters of what happened in New Hampshire. "You really never know how the votes are going to turn out until they are cast."

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Here’s a heads up for some of you younger viewers of MSNBC, and particularly those who constantly rail against a perceived pro-Obama slant.  If you are a Hillary backer you may have enjoyed listening to Pat Buchanan relentlessly promoting your candidate and running down Obama day after day over these past few months.  This may be an MSNBC version of fair and balanced, or maybe they assume that Pat has been around so long that everybody knows his background.
 
For those who may not know, Pat is a quintessential paleoconservative right wing culture warrior from way back in the Nixon administration.  If you are a Democrat and you hear Pat Buchanan talking like he’s on your side, it’s time to sit up and take a look around because something is very, very wrong with this picture.  Pat is just running the old briar patch strategy against the other party in the primaries.  “Oh please, don’t make us run against Hillary!  Anything but that!”  If we are dumb enough to take all his good advice, watch how quickly Pat’s story line changes once Hillary has the nomination.  

Pat knows very well that Hillary will boost Republican turnout.  If McCain is their nominee, many conservatives will be less than enthused and might be more inclined to stay home this cycle.  They will crawl over broken glass for a chance to vote against a Clinton, though.  At the same time Hillary will fail to energize a good portion of the Democratic base.  The anti-war left feels betrayed by her votes on Iraq and Iran, and many other Democrats remember the role Bill Clinton played in losing us the congress in the 1990s and the White House in 2000.  Hillary polls very poorly with the Independent voters that McCain is counting on to win and their attitudes toward her are hardened.  Add to that 35 years worth of scandals, enough to trot out one a day from now to November, and Hillary looks like a duck sitting on the pond.  

Obama is the Republicans worst nightmare.  He is already drawing significant support from Independents, moderate Republicans, and even conservative Republicans sick of the partisan warfare.  He will be much more difficult to attack.  Notice the backlash Bill Clinton and Karl Rove have already provoked when they tried.  Barack can go straight at McCain on the Iraq war because he opposed it from the beginning, and can legitimately question the judgment of those who voted to commit our nation to an unnecessary war that has not made us safer.  In contrast Hillary voted for military action and then said it was mismanaged, just like McCain.  Barack may lose some Democrats who resent the fact that he stands in the way of the first potential woman POTUS, but he should more than make up for it with younger voters, Independents, Republicans, and a fired up anti-war base.

In light of the above, Pat Buchanan’s agenda is obvious.  Talk up the strengths of candidate Hillary and minimize Obama’s chances at every opportunity in order to get the weaker candidate for his party to run against in November.  I had to chuckle in the post-debate coverage when Rachel Maddow completely threw Pat off his game.  Rachel felt insulted by Hillary’s weak explanation of her war vote and dared to suggest that Hillary should just admit to a mistake.  Pat became so apoplectic that someone would even suggest such horrendous political strategy that he forgot himself and demanded:  “Who in the world is going to want to vote for someone who got the most important vote of her Senate career wrong?”  Well said, my cagey old friend.  Well said.
The only people who should expect and know are the VOTERS -- only them! This election is not about games, but about voters choosing their next great leader wo can unite the nation.
Shut up Hillary and Obama. Let the voters have their say.
What are you political analysts taking about?  Hillary is seen as the "incumbent" for the Democratic nomination.  She is expected to win on Super Tuesday.  Six months ago every poll had Hillary ahead of Obama by 10 to 30 pts.  Hillary has the ground support, more super delegate support and most importantingly, Bill Clinton's last name.  Obama is the underdog, just like the NY GIANTS!
I think senator Hillary Clinton will be clear winner
in Super Tuesday, and she will become the first female president of the United States of America.!!!
Maybe with all the attempts to make Super Tuesday the national primary and thus to counter the previous effects of Iowa, New Hampshire and the super Tuesdsay southern primaries of old, it too will fail and leave us with the classic 1968 slug fest, state by state, from Wisconsin to Inidana, to Pennsylvania and Oregon. Each candidate forced to run a local campaign for the eventual electoral votes he or she will need. At least it could turn out this way, unless the MSM decides the better story is who they decide to crown. Remember, RFK for all his carisma over Gene McCarthey, lost the Oregon primary and won California as winner take all, but only by single percentage points. Had RFK lived, it would have been our last chance at a contested convention. Like waiting for the Cubs to win the World Series, it would be nice to see another contested convention. It might be purging for the party, to really form its identity, and pick a candidate to promulgate it. Instead of the other way around. Maybe it would also force all of the various factions of the party to bury their differences.
I think that it would be exciting to see this come down to the convention.  In this world,we want instant results -- maybe, we need to learn to be patient.  Hillary Clinton should win but Barrack Obama is the rock star of the moment so one never knows what the outcome will be.
Both are losers. Both should quit.
Obama will lose California.  It's just a matter of by how much.  Too many absentee ballots were cast early.  If he keeps it inside 10 percentage points statewide, it'll be huge.
Guess we will have to wait till matthews tells us who will win----he has been so accurate in everything else---not.
COME JOIN THE NATIONAL TOWN MEETING "TONIGHT" ON HALLMARK CHANNEL OR HILLARYCLINTON.COM. 9 P.M. E.S.T.
I am betting HRC nails the nomination tomorrow.  At the end of the day, Americans will vote for proven results and proven track record, even if she is a woman.  If Obama were a white woman, no one would even consider voting for him based on his record.
Look at states where Edwards was ahead of Obama - they are now going to Hillary and if Obama was ahead of Edwards, then vice versa - Edward's people are making the differnece in the tightening of the race and their state-specific agendas are reflected in where they go.  Hillary actually appeasr to be doing well in some Southern States, which should be a surprise to Obama's team.  She does have a history in the South, having been in Arkansas politics for years - this seems to have escaped many pundits.
Inconclusive it will be but the melt away of the sizable Clinton lead should leave no one in doubt about the direction and strength of the trend after tomorrow.

Yes WE most certainly Can!
From Huff Post:

'... Clinton, Obama, and Cluster Bombs
Posted February 4, 2008 | 10:51 AM (EST)


If you're a friend of mine, or a fan of "Get Your War On," you probably know how important the issue of cluster bombs and landmines is to me.

It was America's use of cluster bombs during Operation: Enduring Freedom that led me to start GYWO seven(!) years ago this fall, and it has been my pleasure and my honor to donate the royalties from the two GYWO anthologies to Mine Detection & Dog Center Team #5, a landmine removal team in western Afghanistan.

If you ever attended a GYWO reading, you probably sat through my video of landmine removal teams in the field, or listened to me read off statistics about that dangerous mission, or indulged me by taking an informational flyer about MDC Team #5 and the sacred work they do.

(If you bought one of the GYWO books, you've helped that work, and I thank you.)

Cluster bombs and landmines are particularly terrifying weapons that wreak havoc on communities trying to recover from war. They are fatal impediments to reconstruction and rehabilitation of agricultural land; they destroy valuable livestock; they disable otherwise productive members of society; they maim or kill children trying to salvage them for scrap metal.

Over 150 nations have signed the 1997 Mine Ban Treaty. It pains me that our great nation has not. But in the autumn of 2006, there was a chance to take a step in the right direction: Senate Amendment No. 4882, an amendment to a Pentagon appropriations bill that would have banned the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas.

Senator Obama of Illinois voted IN FAVOR of the ban.

Senator Clinton of New York voted AGAINST the ban.

Analysts say Clinton did not want to risk appearing "soft on terror," as it would have harmed her electibility...'

Make your own decision on political opportunism
But, this vote is REVEALING .....

OBAMA '08

A vote for Hillary = a vote for McCain.

Hillary as the nominee = a McCain White House.

Why? General Election Independents and Swing voters do not go for her. They lean heavily toward Obama. Plus the "ABC" rule applies: Anyone But Clinton. Fair or not, Hill galvanizes the far right to hold their noses and vote McCain.  That's three crucial voting blocks that are key to taking the White House. And Hillary cannot get them.

Obama, on the other hand, has wide, cross-over appeal. He will get plenty of Independent and Swing votes in November, and these votes are necessary to winning the White House.

So, unless you want another four years of a Republican in the White House, the choice is clear: VOTE OBAMA.  He's the uniter.  

Only Obama can beat McCain.

Hillary put us in Iraq.

Obama will get us out of Iraq


The Clintons are scandalous and corrupt.


Obama is honest and a role model.



Hillary is Senator "more of the same".



Obama is president elect "change".
Sen. Barack Obama has erased Sen. Hillary Clinton's lead among Democrats nationally, according to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll out Monday. The two are in a virtual tie, with Obama at 49 percent and Clinton at 46 percent.

The survey represents a dramatic turnaround in the race from a few months ago when Clinton had a significant edge over Obama.

With 1681 delegates up for grab, what Candidate do you believe will accumulate the most delegates on Super Tuesday?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1693

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HRC will fail against Obama and she knows it. She is only not saying things the way it should be like her vote on Irag war
Hillary Clinton is the best prepared for the epic economic crisis we are in.Clintons team of economic advisers are suberv.We need that badly.I like Obama
inspirational messages, but where "is the beef"?We need results.Think for a minute,a lady wanting to be president of the more complex and powerful nation of the universe. Hillary Clinton is a Golda Miers,Margaret Thatcher and Indira Ghandi embodied in one person.She is a hell of a lady.We need a president like her at this time in history.
I do have three daughters and all of them are also voting for Hillary.
From Huff Post:

Gary Hart  

Iraq as Metaphor
Posted February 3, 2008 | 02:31 PM (EST)

All issues are equal, but some issues are more equal than others. Those more equal give an insight into decision making, leadership style, and even character. Anyone who has served in office is familiar with the question, "Why did he/she do that?," meaning why did that politician do what they did? It is a question impossible to answer, that is without having some divine access to the inner recesses of an individual's mind or even soul.

Great decisions, however, can reveal how future great decisions might be made. No decision since the so-called Gulf of Tonkin resolution in Vietnam is more important than the vote on the 2002 war resolution on Iraq. Unlike health care, economic stimulus, immigration, and a host of other concerns, on that question there is clear difference between the Democratic finalists.

For those in the process of deciding between them for super Tuesday and beyond, they should be urged to consider this question very seriously. Those who decided to grant George W. Bush virtually unilateral authority to invade Iraq now must accept responsibility for its consequences. Votes have consequences. The consequences in Iraq are well over 30,000 American casualties [casualty: killed and wounded], possibly one million Iraqi deaths, and at least a trillion American tax dollars spent on restructuring (much wasteful and corrupted) and not spent on U.S. schools, hospitals, and infrastructure.

On issues such as this, it is not enough to say, We all make mistakes. One of the remaining candidates cannot even bring herself to say that. Why not, at least, say, "The president misled me"? Given how tragically wrong that vote was, such an admission would be at the very least a signal of humility, responsibility, wisdom, and character.

Consider these two questions when deciding how to vote on Tuesday and beyond: Why did Senator Clinton give George W. Bush the authority to invade Iraq; and why can she not bring herself to admit she was wrong? Regarding the first, she now says that she was only authorizing war as a last resort. Others who voted as she did and now admit error, including Senators Biden, Dodd, and Edwards, do not make that argument. They admit they were wrong. As to the second question, the plausible excuses are few: she still thinks it was right; she thinks the operation was mismanaged; she clings to the hope that this vote and continued support for it will serve her well with conservatives in a general election; she believes it is a symbol of "strength."

Sorting through a great deal of obfuscation, Senator Clinton still seems to cling to the argument that Bush mismanaged the whole project, that it was worth doing but it was done badly. Thus, she seems to accept unilateral invasion as a first resort, even when intelligence, as it was in this case, is less than clear. She seems to be willing to follow policy makers, in this case neocons, who had a publicly announced imperial agenda in the Middle East. And she permits the impression to grow that "triangulation," in matters of war, requires placing protection of political career over protection of the national interest.

Throughout my life I have tried consistently to avoid being judgmental regarding the motives of others. But, like Senator Obama, even on the sidelines, even without access to classified briefings, even under the war drum beat of the right, and even with a compliant mainstream media, I knew both in my mind and deep in my soul that invasion of Iraq was wrong, that it would lead to semi-permanent occupation, that the war would only just begin when Baghdad fell, and that we were pouring blood and treasure into the sand.

"Triangulation" and "centrism" may have led to eight years of a Democratic presidency in the 1990s. But it also blurred the principles of the Democratic party. It led young politicians to believe that the safest course was in some vague middle ground. And, tragically, it led too many Democrats to believe they had to prove their national security credentials by voting for any military misadventure right wing hawks could think up.

This nation needs a president who will question the conventional wisdom, who will exercise skepticism concerning foreign entanglements, who will have the courage to resist pressure from the narrow-minded bellicose right, who will admit to error when major mistakes are made, and who can look farther over the horizon than most of us. Most of all, we need a president who can restore America's honor, respect, and moral authority in the world.

That president is not Senator Clinton. That president is Barack Obama...'

HOW COULD SHE HAVE ANY EXPECTATIONS, MARTHA STEWART WENT TO PRISON FOR A MINOR OFFENSE.  THE CLINTONS COMMITED AND GOT OUT OF DOZENS OF SERIOUS CRIMES.  JANET RENO WOULD NOT LET THEM GO TO TRIAL. PROTECTING DRUG CARTELS DESTROYING OUR CHILDRENS LIVES, AND THEN PARDONING THEM WHEN THEY GOT CAUGHT.  THEY SHOULD BE IN PRISON FOR LIFE.  DONT YOU SUPPORTERS HAVE ANY MORALS. YOU RE SICKOS
Campaign Diaries has a round-up of all the latest polls from the race, and they are many. SUSA's massive deluge of polls has good news for Clinton, following a day with many bad polls for her camp. Full roundup: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2008/02/poll-roller-coaster-continues-with-susa.html
Hillary Clinton definitely the right person to lead our country during this difficult time.  We need someone with experience and has been there.  If Obama wins, the next president will definitely be John McCain, another republican.  We do need a change and that change is HILLARY CLINTON.  
Clinton, obama, and mccain are the most evil politician ever. THe country is brainwashed by the media's choice for a president that align the media corporation agenda of global genocide. These candidates will wage worldwar against all civilizations. Their proven record of voting for an illegal invasion and genocide of the iraq people proves them guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity. American civilians will be the ones who will pay for the charges of war in the long run. Vote for CHANGE CYNTHIA MCKINNEY
and visit her growing supporter base http://mckinney2008.com, she represents social justice and will not tolerate illegal abuses of political power and war profiteering corporations. The obama, clinton and mccain are the same people getting donations from the same war machine. They will stop at nothing in destroying the american way. Our constitution is set aside for proceucution of politician for treason for less crimes. These evil politicians have destroyed are american way and made the world hate our country forever. We must NOT ELECT the same war mongers but instead display justice and imprison the evildoers who voted for an illegal war and genocide and murder of over one million innocent iraq civilians. We must stop their campaign and demand real change and NEW GOVERNMENT! NOW!
As an african american the key question for me is whether race pride more importaant than my country.I defer to the latter, specially deep down in my heart I know that enthusiasm will not put food on the table and will not worry me of possible terrorism attack. I already had a preview of the terrorism part, when Mr. Obama answered that question on his first debate. Herego my reasons to trump over race pride and wimp star power.
You Obama lovers are the real losers in all this voting. Somehow you think your vote matters. Guess what? It doesn't, at least not as much as you think. You see, the Democrats, and the Clintons, in their infinite wisdom, only have 60% of their delegates rewarded based on the voters of each of the states. The other 40% comes from the so-called SuperDelegates. Guess who those delegaes are? Mostly Clinton appointees.

Now that's voter disenfrachisement.

Oh, the Republicans, their delegates are all picked by the voters. No SuperDelegates.
Pat Buchanan seems to me like he is drooling for a Hillary Clinton candidacy.  I guess we are watching different programing.

Mark Penn's company does lobbying for Blackwater.

Is there anything more I need to say?

Let us change our Country, move forward and begin working together for a better America!  Yes we can!
I urge you to vote for Senator Obama, the only candidate remaining in the democrat contest who does not take money from lobbyists and special interests PACS who can stand up against John McCain.

(I hope everybody remembers that John McCain's political career has been largely based on campaign finance reform -- something Senator Clinton rejects by taking donations from interests ranging from banking, financial, big pharma & etc).
I think its way to close to even bother trying to call tuesdays outcome... it so interesting though its fun to follow... During the last debate I listened to it and I thought Clinton came out ahead.. very much in charge of the facts.. she evidently does her homework on the bills... Since they are so similar in their positions that would have been the deciding factor... I was able to see a repeat and watched it the following night.. Well when I could se the candidates debating it seemed like Obama won.. It wasent intentional on my part but he may just look more Presidential... But in either case after the Republican debate the night before it doesnt seem like they have anyone that even stacks up close.. Still I will have to wait to see who McCain picks as a running mate before I make my final decision
Some of these Clinton haters are sick. This is a well qualified woman, who has a considerble amount of experience in world affairs and a good economic record on human rights. And one of her great passion is our kids. You get a full package with her, not an Obama empty suit. If you are one of the super tuesday states get out to vote tomorrow. You will do yourself proud. I will get my opportunity to do so in March.
If  Clinton gets the nod...look out for Bloomberg.

I'm a leftist liberal..and *I* will not vote for Hillary.
IF HILLARY wins the major states tomorrow, CA, NY, CT, NJ, MO. The trending will be uphill and she will be the Democratic nominee. For most part, I think we have a winner here in Los Angeles, every one I call is a HILLARY supporter. 8 out of 10 is Hillary, 2 for Obama. I am an Independent taking surveys here in Los Angeles.
Great exposition and analysis jaycee!

Emile, you need to put a little more thought into your comments.
I am stunned by some of these posts, what crimes did the Clinton's commit? Were they actually convicted of something? I sure missed that if they were. Please read the facts for yourself and do not let the media make up your minds for you. Obama is clearly a great speaker but his numberous "present" votes when he was not brave enough to actually take a stand on an issue and his inability or unwillingness to even show up for the Congressional vote on Iran doe NOT show real leadership. Come on people...Hillary is the ONLY person for this job at this moment. Get out the vote for Hillary and then focus on uniting the Democratic party for s huge victory in November!
Yes SHE Can!
Yes SHE Can!
Yes SHE Can!
And so will WE if we put HER in the White House.
Funny how people come and go here.  A few weeks ago there was a claque of Hillary trolls here who were blowing hard about February 5 being the end-all.
Timidly, I suggested that there were many reasons that was not probable, including possible 3rd party candidates emerging after the 5th.
The Windbags "on the ground," who so far have been dead wrong about everything, hooted and sniffed.
These blogs seem to attract people who can't be wrong and then disappear after they have been proved wrong by events. You know who I mean, but none knows where they are... or cares much either.
I try to read the professional posts here which are consistently good.  You can get a pretty good read here on what's happening, as much of the truth as we can handle.
From a prospective a little closer to the action and from years of working the ropes in many campaigns, I salute these young guys for their professionalism and their kindness to strangers.
Some general comments:

Obama had the majority of the votes that were cast the day of the Florida primary, with Hillary winning early (absentee)votes. 2.5 million democrats AND republicans have already voted in California - let's just hope there were a lot of over anxious republicans voting early, otherwise, California could have the same results as Florida (and you won't hear the early voting numbers as the reason, or how good Obama did considering).  

When people say Obamaw's not experienced, all I have to remember is Chaney was Secretary of Defense AND look at what all that experience got us into. Bush was a two term governor.  Solid judgement and intelligence is what we need and what we'll get with Obama.

I hear all around me from democrats, independents, and republicans that they will NOT vote for Hillary no matter what.  When is the democratic party going to stop doing everything they can to lose - we've got to look beyond the primaries to the general election, the republicans already have us beat at this game by lining up behind the candidate they think has the better chance of beating Hillary. Democrats wake up!

I was a huge Bill Clinton fan, loved him. After watching their win-at-at-all-cost campaign, and hearing her say after NH "I found my voice" at 60 years old, I can no longer say I want to see him back in the Whitehouse. I never thought I would hear myself say that. And if I feel that way, then I can imagine how people that were not too fond of them to begin with feel.

I so much want to see our government work again. I do not want to continue the divisive government we have today, and had in the 90's and we will continue to have if Hillary is elected. It's time to give a new direction a chance. It sure as hell can't get any worse.

I've heard too many woman saying they feel they "should" vote for Hillary just because she's a woman. Isn't that exactly what we fought against all these years - being judged by our gender and not our abilities, but now we're doing exactly that - voting for the "woman" just because she's a woman. One day there will be a woman president, it's just not that time yet, not because we're not ready for woman, but because it's just not time for 'this' woman.

For those interested, the Grateful Dead is having an Obama Rally concert in SF that can be viewed via a live simulcast streamed via the Internet on www.iclips.net at approximately 7:30 PM PST tonight.

HRC will not win the nomination tomorrow sorry folks for those of you predicting a nail in the coffin win please stop you are simply showing how little you know about the race. the way things are set up we will not know for another month at least. when you post statements like "HRC is going win everything on supertue" your really telling the world you have little clue. for the most part you should go back and study the more insightful post like the very first one
***THERE IS SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE****

Voters, please don't be suckers! Vote smart with your brain, do not be swayed by sappy speeches. This is a very serious election. We need a very qualified person to clean up the mess that Bush will leave. That person is Hillary Clinton, She is clearly the most intelligent, most experienced, most politically skilled with the best grasp of domestic & international issues in the race of any party. The Dems are very lucky to have her.

At the end of the day, after the Obamarama-Opralooza circus show is over (and it will be) we are left with just a man who can talk a good talk. Obama is simply not qualified to be President. Obama has a total free pass from the media. That will end, and he will be crucified in a general election. Don't get played by the corporate owned media.Why do you think they are pushing Obama 24/7? They know he's unelectable. Hillary knows how to beat them at their own game. She's been villified by the rightwingnuts, the leftwingnuts, and the media 24/7, and still she stands strong. She's tough as nails and knows that politics is a dirty, rough business. Always was, always will be. Don't fool yourself that Obama is going to "change anything". He won't change much. NO ONE will change anything too drastically. Hillary is the one who can get things done. Hillary Clinton is a WINNNER, and that is the point, isn't it?
Despite regularly asserting that he is running a positive campaign, Sen. Obama distorted Hillary’s record and laid down a number of misleading attacks today in a speech in Wilmington, DE.

   "We expect that John McCain may end up being the nominee. And if John McCain is the nominee, then the Democratic party has to ask itself ‘Do you want a candidate who has similar policies to John McCain on the war in Iraq or someone who can offer a stark contrast?’ See, when I am the nominee, John McCain won’t be able to say that you were for this war in Iraq, because I wasn’t. He won’t be able to say that I followed the Bush-Cheney doctrine in not talking to leaders we don’t like because I don’t. He won’t be able to say that I went along and gave George Bush the benefit of a doubt on Iran because I haven’t. He won’t be able to say that I was unclear about my position on torture because I’ve been absolutely clear we never torture in this country. I can offer a clear and clean break from the failed policies of George W. Bush. I won’t have to explain my votes in the past." [Sen. Obama rally in Wilmington, DE, 2/3/08]

Let’s address Sen. Obama’s allegations one at a time.

First: Sen. Obama begins by criticizing Hillary on Iraq. Sen. Obama does not mention that -- with the exception of Hillary's opposition to the promotion of Iraq war architect Gen. George Casey -- Sen. Obama and Hillary have identical voting records on the Iraq war. Read more here.

Second: Sen. Obama then misrepresents Hillary’s position on diplomacy. Hillary criticized Sen. Obama for pre-committing to a personal meeting in his first year with "with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea." She never said that a president should only meet with America's friends. She also promised vigorous diplomatic efforts with all countries, friend and foe. Read more here.

Third: Sen. Obama then misrepresents Hillary’s position on Iran. In fact, Hillary was one of the earliest and staunchest opponents of Bush’s saber rattling on Iran, and spoke out on the issue back in February:

   Hillary made a floor speech declaring that President Bush must get authorization from Congress before taking military action against Iran. [Clinton Release, 2/14/07]

   Hillary co-sponsored the Webb bill prohibiting use of funds for military action in Iran without Congressional authorization. [Clinton Release, 10/01/07]

Sen. Obama missed the vote he is now using to attack Hillary. He issued a release 9 hours later and co-sponsored a similar bill in April. The bill was also supported by Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL), a staunch anti-war Bush critic and prominent Obama supporter. Read more here and here.

Fourth: Sen. Obama accuses Hillary of changing her policy on torture due to ‘the politics of the moment.’ He couldn’t be more wrong. Hillary met with retired generals, talked with experienced military officers, and read reports commissioned by the Defense Intelligence Agency. She concluded that 'torture cannot be part of American policy, period.'

Sen. Obama laments this kind of politics in his book, Audacity of Hope:

   For that is how most of my colleagues, Republican and Democrat, enter the Senate…their words distorted, and their motives questioned. [Page 133]
What will Obama change? And how? Nobody knows!

Hillary 08!!
What will Obama change? And how? Nobody knows!

Hillary 08!!
Jack Nicholson endorsed Hillary Clinton for president where is the BUZZ on that MSNBC this happend this morning on www.rick.com

Senator Obama was recently compared to JFK but JFK was a war hero when he was young while Senator Obama admitted to using drugs in his young days in his book as I read in the newspaper. Senator Obama runs on the theme of hope and change because he is short in experience. Senator Obama is a good talker but we should all be careful when we see someone new and nice without knowing much about him. It is true that Martin Luther King's dreams were not realized until President Johnson acted to put them into action but such a thing can not be said because of race. What a double standard!
It seems obvious that if what we want is 'more of the same', more of the standard Washington behavior, more of the deceptive rhetoric and egotistic pursuit of self-serving private agendas, then all we need to do is vote for the Republicans or for Hillary Clinton - for more of politics as usual.  I think and sincerely hope that we don't do that and that there is better to be had - 'real change'.
Senator Obama was compared to President Kennedy recently but JFK was a war hero in his young days while Senator Obama admitted to using drugs in his young days. Senator Obama runs on the theme of hope and change because he is short on experience. It is true that Dr. King's dreams were realized when President Johnson pushed through legislations to help the poor but this fact is not accepted by the African American communities because of race. What a double standard! Change cannot be realized by talk alone! we need an experienced and smart leader like Senator Clinton to solve the problems left by President Bush!
Hillary is the next President of the United States of America, common ladies it's time, it's past time.

"SHES COME A LONG WAY BABY" LET HER SHOW WHAT SHE CAN DO.....VOTE FOR HILLARY!!!!!!!
What is Capitol Hill afraid of. Hillary will do a great job getting America back to number one again.Men are so afraid of woman,and must people on the news talk because thay have a mouth.
Senator Clinton has based her campaign on an erroneous claim to greater legislative and administrative experience.  Former President Clinton talks up her role in his administration on the campaign trail but pointedly refuses to release any documents that would provide greater details on her actual activities there.  It is broadly understood that Hillary spearheaded the response team that staved off Republican attacks and spun the many scandals of the Clinton years.  As to her Senate record, no one in the press has had the diligence to lay out her record for the public to assess.

Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term (6yrs.), and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law, (20) twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years.
These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress (www.thomas.loc.gov), but to save you trouble, I'll post them here for you.

1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.
2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.
3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.
4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.
5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson.
6. Name post office after Jonn A. O'Shea.
7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.
10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.
13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.
14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.
15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.

Only five of Clinton's bills are more substantive.

16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.
17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11
18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.
19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.
20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.

There you have it, the facts straight from the Senate Record.

Now, I would post those of Obama's, but the list is too substantive, so I'll mainly categorize.  During the first (8) eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced

233 regarding healthcare reform,
125 on poverty and public assistance,
112 crime fighting bills,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
15 gun control,
6 veterans affairs and many others.

His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included:
**the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law),
**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law),
**The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,
**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law),
**The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee), and many more.

In all since enter the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096. An impressive record for someone who supposedly has no record according to the spin meisters and mindless twits.  I challenge Clinton supporters to name a single legislative accomplishment that demonstrates her superior experience.
Its funny to see people who in 2002 had no problem because they thought war was necessary. Polls that you rely on some much proves that 89% of american agreed with bush to go to war. and as the years progress you all found Jesus. Oh please the war is wrong and it was a mistake because the intelligence was intentionally tampered with. Dont blame hillary she felt wrong just like everyone else and with the information set infront of her by theses incompetent fools called the bush admin she voted for the threat of force. When she realized the problem voted not to found and to end the war. Obama doesnt convince me it just shows me that he is confused.what!!!! did he suddenly think the war was necessary to vote for funding or was his intial blockade just a fluke. I dont know and still dont know alot about him. I know what i get with Hillary someone who votes and if problem arise isnt afraid to reverse her vote by not voting for funding.
Hillary will take CA and win more delegates tomorrow - Obama is all talk and no action, and Kennedy, Oprah, Shriver - seems desperate to me - if you need Oprah - that means you can't do it on your own.  HRC is doing it on her own without those meaningless endorsements.  Come on - Joan Baez and Robert DeNiro?  Guess we forgot about Jack Nicholson and Robert Kennedy's children and the former Lt Gov of MA, who is a Kennedy - guess we don't care about endorsements unless they are Obama's - I don't care who endorses who - I vote for who I like, not who someone likes.  Vote your own conscience - don't follow a Kennedy endorsement (especially from one that left someone to drown and save his own skin)!
I never expected in my lifetime to have the opportunity to vote for the first woman or black president of America. I will vote for
Hillary because she also is for a new beginning and she also, in my view, is more qualified and experienced to be able to start dealing with all the problems facing the new president.


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