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Last night's results (D)

Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:11 AM by Mark Murray
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The Washington Post says Obama “won Virginia with about 64 percent of the vote. In Maryland, where the polls were kept open an additional 90 minutes because of bad weather, he was winning with about 60 percent to Clinton's 37 percent. He was headed for an even bigger win in the District, where he was attracting about 75 percent of the vote. The lopsided wins mean Obama will emerge with a clear majority of the 168 pledged delegates at stake in the area, as well as a widening lead overall among the more than 65 percent of pledged delegates who have now been accounted for nationally. When superdelegates are added to the calculations, Obama and Clinton are still in a highly competitive race, but Obama has seized the overall lead.”

The New York Times: “The outcome provided [Obama] his first chance to assert that the Democratic race, which had seemed to be heading into a protracted standoff, is beginning to break in his direction. And it left Mrs. Clinton facing weeks in which she has few opportunities for the kind of victory that would alter the race in her favor after a string of defeats notable not just for their number but also their magnitude.”

The New York Times’ Nagourney lists these obstacles for Clinton. “For one thing, if this is an election where a candidate wins by virtue of being seen as winning — a definition of momentum — that would mean that voters in coming states would be influenced by the outcome of earlier races. And Mr. Obama might then be in a position to encroach on Mrs. Clinton’s firewall of Texas and Ohio. Perhaps most problematically, the delegate selection process … could now begin to work against Mrs. Clinton. Both candidates get a share of the delegates, even if one wins by a margin of 20 points. That is a reason Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama had stayed so close on delegate numbers, and why it becomes harder for her to reclaim a lead.”

But he also provides this reason for hope for Team Clinton. “[W]hatever challenges Mrs. Clinton faces, she has repeatedly proved to be a resourceful candidate with a sharp campaign organization and a passionate base of supporters. Should she win in Ohio and Texas, she could halt Mr. Obama’s claim to momentum and keep the race for pledged delegates from breaking against her. And there has been a history in this campaign of Mr. Obama winning, only to have Mrs. Clinton return and win.”

The Los Angeles Times: “Obama's victories marked the first time in six weeks of balloting that either Democratic candidate has strung together so many successive wins. For a time, they traded triumphs every week or so. But Obama started to broaden his support in the last few rounds; he continued to make inroads Tuesday.”

The New York Daily News: “The lopsided wins were a body blow to Clinton's already battered campaign, which had been hoping to slow Obama's momentum heading into Texas and Ohio on March 4. The Illinois senator only picked up more steam.”

USA Today’s Page looks inside the exit polls. “Obama broadened his electoral coalition and swamped Clinton in both Democratic-leaning Maryland and Republican-leaning Virginia. Exit polls in both states showed him carrying African-American voters by nearly 9-1 and splitting white voters about evenly. He led among men and women.”

The AP’s Fouhy adds, “Memo to Hillary Rodham Clinton: Barack Obama is stealing your faithful… Even white women were beginning to move toward the Illinois senator - Clinton won nearly 60 percent of their votes, a much lower percentage than in contests past. Clinton has based her candidacy in large part on her appeal to white women. In addition to his usual strong showing among young voters, Obama was also running about even among those over 65, a group Clinton usually dominates.”

“Barring a dramatic run-of-the-table by Clinton or Obama in the weeks ahead and a concession from the other, neither will reach that tally without superdelegates,” the Boston Globe writes. “And it is impossible to know what event will catalyze superdelegates to coalesce behind one or the other (if they coalesce at all): Obama pulling off a win in Ohio or Texas on March 4 or Clinton scoring commanding victories in Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania?”

The Boston Globe’s Canellos lead, “Clinton's supporters flipped on their televisions on Saturday night, Sunday night, and last night hoping to watch ‘The Amazing Race’ and ended up with ‘The Biggest Loser.’”

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Yes, my guard stood hard when abstract threats
Too noble to neglect
Deceived me into thinking
I had something to protect
Good and bad, I define these terms
Quite clear, no doubt, somehow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.

Bob Dylan

The old folks are coming around.  It’s just been so long that it will take some of us a little while to remember.
The Clintons have taken on the Republican Attack Machine….

AND FAILED EVERY TIME.

Healthcare Reform: A Massive Failure handing Congress to the Republicans for 14 years

Gay Rights: Bill Clinton caved and gave into the bigoted and hateful don’t ask don’t tell.

Genocide: Rwanda was a disgusting failure as the Clintons pandered to the Republicans afraid to make a mistake.

Iraq: Hillary Clinton caved into the Republican Drum beat to invade, and insane idea, she voted for it under political pressure to look tough. Perhaps a million people have died, been injured, or displaced.

Iran: See above, perhaps a million more might be afected

Bankruptcy: Hillary caved to the Corporate interest, although she was “glad the bill failed” she voted for it under political pressure from the right.

Time and time again, the Clintons are faced with Republican Political Pressure and they fail to stand up for what they claim to believe. Hillary has no moral courage, the defining quality that separates a leader from a politician.

Please step aside Mrs. Clinton, you are dividing and destroying a great Democratic Party.
To all Americans,
I live in another part of the world.
My country is fighting with America in Afganistan and are dying too.
First, you sent the world, a hyped up George Bush.The saviour.A total failure.
Look where that put America and what that brought the world?
Now who are are attempting to repeat history by introducing another hyped up (Rock Star)Obaman who yes is flawed,inexperieced and will also be a loser. At least George Bush had the experience.If you want the world to really reject you ,keep doing what your doing. If you think that what world thinks doen't matter just look at your economy. Look at the lack of allies that you have. Look at Russia's statement that they will take you on in another arms race.So you think Obama will be the hero and rescue from all trouble.WAKE UP, and finally do something right for once. Give your head a shake and get off the Hollywood idol stuff and see the real world for once.
MSNBC be fair and finally show some other views than just the one's that you like.
You can't count Senator Clinton out, but it must be disturbing to her campaign that her opponent is cutting into her base without any evidence that she is stealing from his.  Top that with polls that indicate that Senator Obama is stronger against Senator McCain in the general, and the vaunted "Big Mo" could be real, finally.  The Clinton campaign is boasting about re-invigorated fund raising with claims of a boost in online donations.  However, as anemic as their Internet fund raising was to begin with, this is akin to saying you doubled your bowling average when it went from 50 to 100, while your opponent is stuck at 200.  And, it remains to be seen whether this is more than just a flurry of concerned activity by already stalwart Hillraisers, but not the infusion of new support that they're silently inferring is happening.

 Her campaign's bemoaning of the media being soft on Obama while claiming she's weathered storms is liable to not only make people think perhaps there's not that much Senator Obama is hiding, but it also reminds people of a certain age of the considerable history of crisis and conflict that she would carry into the general election.  If there was a lurking issue lying in the tall weeds that could sink Senator Obama's campaign, it would stretch credulity to believe its been ignored by the Clinton machine in the face of the demonstrated threat to her 'inevitability'.
//  Mrs. Clinton’s firewall of Texas and Ohio.

Rudy had a firewall too.
Is this the beginning of the End?  

Or maybe the middle of the end.

This morning brings a new day.  Not just because the Earth turns, but also the returns.

I heard this morning that Maryland votes cast after 8 p.m. were cast using paper ballots. There's apparently some state law that requires voting machines to be turned off by 8 p.m. Those paper ballots won't be counted until tomorrow. So these numbers could change a little.
Obama still needs big wins like last night to win it all.  The Clintons will not cave and will use everything in the power (legal and illegal) to win.

It is time for a real change in America, we have to many major issues i.e. deficit, jobs, education, health care, our standing in the world, global warming,... we need someone who can look at the issues in a different light and bring all together to make a difference.  It is time for Obama!!!
The Clinton campaign is learning that we want a President, not a Professor.   It's admirable that she's an expert on all the intricacies of arcane policies.   But we're not asking her to take a final exam in a college Political Science class.  We're looking for a leader to move our country forward.
Here we go, the usual flip flopping by Democrats. Six months ago Hillary walked on water, now she's worthless. What a bunch of hypocrites you people are.
clinton is not really honest with the people.  she has a lot of baggage and has a real problem making TRUE statements about obama, her opponent.   now obama is as honest as the day is long..he is a breath of fresh air to a very big problem the bush administration has created,  i think obama is the ONLY one that can pull the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, up by its boot straps and get is  on the right path again with the world and this country.
discusted - worry about your own country.  You don't live here, so you know nothing about obama.  who do you think WE should elect.  Trust me we don't care what other countries think.  we are worried about fixing our country for the betterment of OURselves.  
discusted - worry about your own country.  You don't live here, so you know nothing about obama.  who do you think WE should elect.  Trust me we don't care what other countries think.  we are worried about fixing our country for the betterment of OURselves.  
Russ - the "invigorated" fundraising is suspect. Campaign officials have said they've raised how much since Super Tuesday? I think the last I heard was $10 million.

But in an earlier post (yesterday), First Read references a couple of Clinton fundraisers who said they are concerned they won't be able to keep up with Obama - because Obama is bringing in about $1 million a day since Super Tuesday and Clinton only about half that much.

Okay, Super Tuesday was eight days ago (counting today). Half of $1 million for 8 days comes to $4 million.

Still impressive, but significantly less than the $10 million that was claimed - and it will be a long time before we see any official campaign finance reports.
roger- i believe republicans said mccain was done for and had no chance 6 months ago.  so, you're calling us hypocrites?  brillant
The human brain is not fully developed till you're 25 - and most fanatic Obama supporters are under 25, so they should be forgiven. They will get wiser!

Hillary 08!!!
The human brain is not fully developed till you're 25 - and most fanatic Obama supporters are under 25, so they should be forgiven. They will get wiser!

Hillary 08!!!
Discusted and others,
Sorry you thought Obama is flawed. I did not vote to send Bush to the Oval Office. I am a young college educated guy and voted for Obama. The people who voted for Bush are "moral voters" and those who I call hypocrites.
Now, to call Obama flawed and a hyped up candidate only cements your ignorance. What has been happening to your TV, your computer, and your books in that part of the world? Did Hillary's name recognition and her constantly talk of "exprience" make you think she is the ebst candidate? And if you opposed the war that you claim your country is fighting, then you must remember that you are being a total hypocrite because Hillary voted for the war authorization.
So, your argument against Obama being flawed only makes you look ignorant -- did you actually look at his records and did a little fact checking?
Has the Democratic party asked itself about the position it will find itself in with Sen.Obama leading it into a general election. He won't fight Sen. Clinton anymore but the Republican machine of large donors. The fight to end the war in Iraq won't be won with John McCain and the rightist forces which I believe will back him in the end. Sen.Obama is gong to need a Clinton on his side--in short, she should run as his vice-presidential nominee to emphasize experience as well as ideology. I do believe that without a powerful, influential VP nominee--that the Democrats will fail to take the presidency--thus, Obama & Clinton should run together after burying their hachets toward each other--I think would win and shatter history and the Republicans.
With Obama garnering support
Hillary holes up in the fort

The momentum has swung to Barack
Will Hill go on the attack

The voters will deem who's elected
Just like they will who's rejected

And when you add up the delegate count
The Clinton troubles surely do mount

Let the voters determine who'll run in the fall
In November we all have to answer the call

Lets remind the candidates they work for us
It seems they forget its ever been thus

So voters remember when you go to the poll
Its us for whom the bell does toll
Discusted (Sent Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:39 AM)

Just what experience did George W Bush have?  The governor of Texas is a figure head, the Lt Governor does most of the work and he failed at every business venture that he ever tried.  If it wasn't for daddy and he's connections, he'd be working at McDonalds.  Darn you poppa Bush!
It was interesting to hear Howard Fineman's account of his conversation with the Clinton campaign. They accept that Clinton will not catch Obama in pledged delegates.  Their hope is that she can keep the margin within 30-50 delegates, so it will be perceived as “acceptable” for the superdelegates to decide the election and give it to Hillary.  They concede that if he’s got it by 100 or more, then it would not be as well received.  What happened to the idea that when you recognize that you're not going to catch your opponent, you concede the election and drop out?  I think Hillary and Huckabee should should run together as the "against all odds" independent ticket.  Neither seems to be intimidated by math.  
When will you Clinton supporters realize she doesn't care about you at all?  She's using you to get what she wants... power.  She'll pander to you till she gets your vote.  After that she doesn't care about you at all.

Florida - Michigan: Didn't care about you at all when she thought she could win without you and signed the pledge to not campaign there and agreed to FL/MI getting no delegates.  She never bothered to speak up for your voice for the months after the decision was made by the DNC.  She only cares about you now that she needs you.

Nevada: Only cared about the Las Vegas voters when she thought she had them in her corner.  She was all in favor of the way the caucuses were set up, until after she lost the endorcement, then she wanted to squash their voice and votes.

South Carolina: Did not even care enough to have the respect to stay and thank her local staff and supporters after the vote. John Edwards got stomped in his home state and at least has the decency to stay and thank his people and the other candidates.  Instead she took off in the middle of the night to go to the next group of people she needed something from.

Super Tuesday:  How many states did she not bother visiting?  How many states did she say weren't important and didn't matter?  I lost count.

Louisiana/Nebraska: Did not even care enough to go there because she knew she wouldn't win.

Maryland/DC/Virginia:  Barely made an effort, and only in Virginia from what I saw.  Didn't even bother to thank her people there or the voters last night.

All she cares about is winning at any cost.  She'll say or do whatever it takes.  Look how many times she's changed her message.  She says whatever she thinks you want to hear.

First she refuses to release documents on her so called "experience" during Bill's terms. Now she refuses to release her tax info until after she is nominated.  What a joke, yet all you Clinton fans just blindly follow her.  Would you buy a house from a sales person that wouldn't let you read the contract until after you signed it and paid for it?  Oh, wait, bad example... we are seeing how many stupid people already do that.

She won't win the nomination. The numbers aren't in her favor, and will only get worse. She couldn't win the general even if she some how steals the nomination.  It's a fact.  You all know it.  Yet you still pathetically grasp at straws, trying to change the rules, or spouting of a "right wing conspiracy" where hundreds of analysts, talking heads, and ordinary voters are in some massive effort to vote in Obama, while supposidly using reverse psychology that they'd rather fight Hillary blah blah blah.

Obama's positions are pretty similar to Hillary's as well as to the party positions.  With a Democratic congress we'll finally be able to fix things and push the country in the right direction.  

But no, you'd rather claim to be petty like J. Merle and would rather see McCain give us multiple new wars, more tax breaks for the rich, conservative judges that could overturn Roe v. Wade, let corporate America run even further unchecked, and basically destroy what little reputation we have left in the world.  While getting very little done in Washington as the parties spend more time fighting each other than doing what they should be doing.

J. Merle, you are either one of two things 1) Petty, childish, and a sore loser who would rather compromise your core values than admit to backing a losing candidate (sounds like your candidate and her votes) or 2) is just grasping at straws in a desperate transparent attempt to sway people to Clinton.

Either way, its sad.
It is truly frightening to see masses vote for Senator Obama because of his razzle dazzle.  People, we are voting for the Presidency.  He has run one thing in his life-Harvard Law Review.  If he is nominated, the Republican machine will poke holes in the Obama balloon.  Hillary's hands are tied.  Whatever she says is either called racist or hypercritical.  It he is nominated, the gloves will come off in the summer and Obama will sink rapidly.  
Obama is flawed hes a man we all have flaws.  Like he has one also in his health care plan he to is forcing a mandate to parents. Know I don't know about anybody else but if you can say Cliton health care could garnish your wages then Obama's also could hit the most fragile of this country the middle class. Now I have no prblem supporting my children but do not ever tell me hes great because this shows he is not.

Also giving liciences to illegals how is this good ,
lets see that would make them more at risk. Being documented illegals. KNOCK KNOCK = DEPORTATION great idea.
Hillary is obvious in a lot of trouble.  Obama is really doing a great job campaigning.  While on the other hand, Hillary is losing her campaign workers, and say that she is skipping the state of WI.  She is not in a good situation to skip a state.  When she has not had a win for a couple of weeks.  I don't think it is wise to only focus on Texas, Ohio, and Penn.  Remember Obama will win one or even two of these states.  Hillary can't be trusted.  She is a liar, and always talking about her 35 years of experience.  Just because she lived in the white house for 8 years does not make her more qualified than Obama.  Her campaign does not do a good job in organizing.  It seems like her campaign is falling apart.  This is not a good time for that to be happening.  Obama will be a democratic candidate who will excel to become the next president of the United States.  He has shown in so many ways that he is ready, and that he will be "Right" on day one.  His judgement, intelligence, character, experience in the senator will pay off come November 2008.

Obama 2008
To Disgusted and others
The fact that we are even engaged in this debate publically and passionately highlights what a wonderful process this is. As Americans we look inside ourselves and ask questions and argue about what is best. Both Obama and Clinton have put everything on the line and are willing to stand up and take a chance at leadership. I am so proud of this process. No one else has this process in the same way. We fought for it and died for it over 200 years ago, and we like it just fine thank you. You are welcome to observe our process and comment as you will but please don't just be critical contribute to the conversation. If you could vote, who would you vote for? Or are you saying none of the Republican's or Democrats are worth electing?
I will be voting for a smart, reasoned guy with hope,who will be able to work with leaders of other nations.
Im 46 and see no reason to stop fighting to make our country a better place. Yes we can... Obama 08
Hello MSN people I live in Cleveland Ohio and I need to know how I can get tickets to the debate on the 26th.
Just heard Obama going to spend $10M for a credit card company rating system; that will help all his hopefuls know which credit card to choose.  He also wants $10B program to assist individuals who purchased homes "too expensive for their income levels." Silly me for buying a home in my price and having paid it off early. But now, hopefuls, I'll be better to help pay for the homes of those who shouldn't have been in them in the first place. Boy, am I hopeful and ready for change!  Not.
Melissa,  I don't think you have been watching the news lately.  Obama changed his view on giving illegal immigrant licenses.  Get you facts right before you start critizing the next president of the United States.  
Obama 2008 - Yes We Can!
Has the "connections" around Obama in Chicago suddenly disappear? Does history not teach you guys anything? Bush was inexperienced and he and his replacement Perry has screwed Texas over and over again!
Thanks Msnbc for being so fair. I've watched this democratic contest intensely and i've watched the way all of the cable news networks defend Hillary. Your station is the only one that broadcasted Hillary and Obama's speech at the same time. It's seems as if Cnn and Fox news have become surrogates for the Clinton campaign. Also the only reason Hillary won in New Hampshire is because she cried a few days before. That is the truth. She did the same thing in the days leading up to Super Tuesday and ended up widening her leads in Cali, N.y. Jersey, and Mass. I believe this was intentional, that is why she went from doing rallies in the days leading up to Super Tuesday.to out of the blue doing a town hall meeting where her old school mate made the staement which triggered this"emotional" moment. Had she cried rifght before the potomac primary she would have done alot better. Its a shame news organizations have just blatantly ignored this "emotional" stragedy used by Hillary. Also, had the news networks played the entire "clip" of her staged "emotional" moment in New Hampshire many of those voters who voted for her would have voted for OBama just like the lady who asked her the question did.Do not be surprised if she has another "emotional" moment right before the Texas/Ohio primary. With that being said, Msnbc has done the best job out of all the news networks in regards to being fair.
Clearly no matter what comes out of this primary and caucus season, the country is ready for a change. See John McCain's rise from the ashes or the fervor in which the country embraces Barack Obama, the people of this country have wrested control of it from the old establishment and have no intentions of giving it back any time soon. GLORY TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
CC in Caldwell KS:  "obama is as honest as the day is long". I have some swampland in AZ for sale if you want to buy it.
J. Merle, you are either one of two things 1) Petty, childish, and a sore loser who would rather compromise your core values than admit to backing a losing candidate (sounds like your candidate and her votes) or 2) is just grasping at straws in a desperate transparent attempt to sway people to Clinton.

Either way, its sad.
BL, Cincinnati, OH (Sent Wednesday, February 13, 2008 11:04 AM)

I'll put a $100 on Sore Loser.

BTW, Bill, a very good post.
The truest language all you guys used over at MSNBC this morning with Scarborough was that in this race, this year, Momentum is Fleeting.  This whole Dem side of the contest reminds of those Jai Alai games in Florida when the two players battle it out on points to the end.  I don't think this kind of excitement is good for my heart, but I will stay tuned anyway.
I am really worried that we will have Mccain, as I don't believe Obama has the knowledge, experience or plans to succeed. The media has fallen in love with him and are doing him no favors by giving him a pass on the issues and everything else. I think people are voting for him because he is likable, and we all want to hope, but change for the sake of change is not necessarily good. When the republicans start in on his stances, and bring up the anti-white pastor and the land deals and push the security issue, I don't think he will be able to adequately respond. I believe Hillary is our best chance for a democrat. Unfortunately for her, the media does not agree.
I'm sorry he didn't wait 8 years until he had more to offer.
H (Obama) won't fight Clinton anymore... You mean debate anymore for Hillary's advantage? You know he is refusing to debate FIVE times (do you really want a debate that much, and do you think a debate professor makes a good president?) that the Clintons want in order to make up fo their mismanaged and wasted donor money that Clinton could have wisely used on advertisements. She wants FREE advertisement time by debating as if to test her 35 years of honed debating skills.
What a lame argument you have.
I am a 40 year old Republican.  I have never critisized anyones views on their political opinions.  I have helped elect three of our last four Presidents.  I have never written to any publication or commented on any artical no matter how infuriating and ignorant their statements may have been.  To say Republicans (moral voters) are hypocrites is a sad sign of what this country has become.  To call anyone a hypocrit without having evidence of so, is terrible.  Dont you dare judge me.  I am married to the same man for 19 years(imagine that), raise my children, care for my fellow man,woman,child,and animal.  We are not all Bible toting fanatics.  The Evangelicals are less than 10% of our party.  
   Obviously I didn't vote for either democrat, but it is nice to see that democrats see the Clintons in their real light and are as sick of them as the rest of the Country.  Perhaps if they had been a little MORAL, Mr. Clinton wouldn't be best remembered for his cigars and Mrs. Clinton would'nt be best remembered just sitting idly by plotting her own political path.
discusted - worry about your own country.  You don't live here, so you know nothing about obama.  who do you think WE should elect.  Trust me we don't care what other countries think.  we are worried about fixing our country for the betterment of OURselves.

Is this an example of Obama diplomacy....bringing all the people together....  Sounds like the same "go it alone attitude" that got us into Iraq.
Hey Martin--
Before posting again take a look at the exit polls in VA and MD first.

Obama edged Clinton - 52-47 - among voters over 60 in Virginia and 50-46 in Maryland.

He split white votes about 50-50 with Clinton in both states.

In Virginia, Obama led Clinton 59 to 41 percent among the WOMEN who were polled. He also took 57 percent of the votes of respondents who said they earn less than $50,000 a year and 59 percent of those who said someone in their household is a member of a union.

In Maryland, 59 percent of WOMEN backed Obama, 65 percent of those making less than $50,000 voted for him and 61 percent of those in union households supported him.

He was the winner among respondents who said the economy, the Iraq war or health care -- a trademark issue for Clinton -- was the most important issue to them.


I am an African American and I am ashamed and disturbed that African-Americans are voting 90% for Obama. Are we doing this based only on his record or does race and gender have something to do with it? What if every race (white vote 90% for white candidates) as blacks do and the latina votes become the difference, what will we say? We'll be the first to claim racism, right? But now that we are the ones doing it against every media's perceived "enemy" Hillary, we think it's okay?
I may be an exception, but I think that Obama is a flash in the pan. The same media that is promoting his appeal we begin to ask, "Where's the beef?" The other thing true Democratic supporters may need to guard against is, are we making it easier for the Republican (John McCain) to win in November? All this talk that Hillary is divisive is being perpetuated by the Republicans who are afraid to run against Hillary. The so called "Obamacans" will disappear in a 'jiffy' and the "independents" will coalesce around McCain who will keep us "safe." Remember that soon, the 9/11 trials will begin and people will be reminded and even be made to re-live the horrors of 9/11. Obama, with no military experience, no foreign policy experience, no domestic policy to point to and in fact, no gravitas to boast of, will be made to look like a light weight.
Why are we Democrats buying the Republicans line that Hillary is "divisive"? She can point to her work in the senate with Linsey Graham, McCain and others as evidence that she can and have worked with the otherside to get this done.
Let us beware of what we are asking for or doing with this election before we throw it away based on emotiinal factors that Obama can and will "bring us together." Please note that our fight in politics are based on philosophical differences not so much about personalities. So, Obama will bring the republicans to accept abortion rights, gun control, corporate tax reform, gay marriage and other rights!
Think Again!

Concerned Democrat, NY
please does anyone know what was crawling up Matthews leg last night,when obama was speaking?Please mr obama with all the money you are raking in ---quit calling me for more------
TO ALL YOU PEOPLE THAT THINK OBAMA WILL BE THE NOMINEE AND PRESIDENT.
THE RACE ISSUE IS STILL ALIVE IN THIS COUNTRY.
IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME - LOOK AT THE POLL EXITS AND WHO VOTED FOR OBAMA.  90% BLACKS. THEY ARE VOTING ON STRICTLY RACE AND NOT THE INDIVIDUAL.
WHO IS RAISING THE RACE ISSUE - NOT THE AVERAGE WHITE PERSON WHO DARES TO BRING RACE INTO THE ISSUE.
OBAMA WILL LOOSE TO MCCAIN THIS FALL BECAUSE OF THIS.
WAKE UP AMERICA.
THE NEWS MEDIA WILL NOT RAISE THIS ISSUE BUT IT IS THERE.
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter"
                              Winston Churchill
If it wasn't for California she would be out of this. If it wasn't for the Democratic Party's system of voting, she would be virtually non-existant.
Tim, Baltimore, MD
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Actually, if the Dem's system were winner take all, Hillary would have the lead right now (if my system of awarding delegates on a winner take all basis is correct).

Of all the delegates awarded to date, if they went to the person who (by percentage) won the state, this is the delegate total I get:

Clinton -- 1069
Obama -- 998

Still extremely close, but with the shoe on the other foot, so to speak.

Hey First Read, anyway to verify that info?  Who would have the most delegates on the Dem side if it were winner take all, not proportional?

(sorry this is posted on 2 threads, wouldn't go thru before)
The human brain is not fully developed till you're 25 - and most fanatic Obama supporters are under 25, so they should be forgiven. They will get wiser!

Hillary 08!!!

Martin

Really Dr. Martin, where are your sources, both regarding brain development, and that Obama's most fanatical supporters are under 25! Seems you forgot HRC's talking points last week how she won the under 25 youth vote in California and Mass. Is this because of your own underdeveloped brain, or the underdeveloped brain of those under 25 in California and Mass?

Also what does it say about the fact that with the exception of CA and MA HRC has not won the vote of any age group in any other state under 60, in Iowa it was under 70!
ALL I HAVE TO SAY TO HILLARY WHAT ABOUT THE LOBBYIST,THE EARMARKS,NAFTA AND THE WAR YOU SUPPORTED? HOW IS THIS FIGHTING FOR THE WORKING CLASS PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY?
The democratic process in this great nation is on full display. How fortunate we are to be able to voice our differences and opinions about each canadiate without fear of being decapitated. We have two exceptional canadidates trying to make history and thus lead this country in a new direction. But history has a plan and the man is Obama 08....God Bless America!
To the Democrats reading that no matter what, want a Democrat in the White House and want something to get done once a Democrat is there:  

Imagine this:  It is Clinton Vs. McCain in the General election:  Dems will vote for her.  Independents probabally will not.  Republicans will come out in droves to vote against her no matter who is on the Republican side.  

Lets just say she actually pulls off this hypothetical win:  The Republicans in Congress and the Senate will make it their life long work on blocking every Clinton initiative that comes through the House and Senate.  On top of this, swing states will fight tooth and nail to get back a Republican Majority...all from disdain for Clinton.  I know it is unfortunate, but it is fact.  

Healthcare under Clinton is a pipedream.  Anything under Clinton is a pipedream.  Republicans will block everything she tries to throw at them.  

With Obama, anything is possible.  The opposition does not hate him, nor does he hate the opposition.  He understands he needs Republicans to back him on initiatives if he has any chance of getting things passed.  The American people are standing behind Obama, ready for him to take them to new places we havent seen in 40 years.  In contrast, The American people will stand in front of Clinton, blocking her at every turn.  These are facts.  It is unfortunate, but only one Democrat on the ballot has an opportunity to take the country in a new direction.  I wish it wasn't so.  I respect Clinton, but we would have at least 4 years of Red/Blue war weve been so accustomed to in the past 16 years.  I dont even blame her.  She's smart, ambitious(in a good way) and wants great things for the country.  She just wouldnt be able to deliver.  Obama will.  


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