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Obama on guns, NIU violence

Posted: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:43 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC/NJ's Aswini Anburajan
It's rare that news of the day steps on the back and forth of the campaign trail, but the shootings at Northern Illinois University coupled with news that Vice President Cheney had weighed in on a congressional opposition to the District of Columbia's ban on guns had Obama clarifying his position on the second amendment this morning.
 
Asked to comment on Cheney's decision to add his signature to a brief supported by 55 senators and 250 congressmen to have the Supreme Court overturn a ban on handguns by the District of Columbia, Obama said he wasn't familiar with the statements made by either the Vice President or members of Congress.

However, he went on to defend the right of municipalities to establish their own handgun laws. "The city of Chicago has gun laws, so does Washington, D.C.," Obama said. "The notion that somehow local jurisdictions can't initiate gun safety laws to deal with gangbangers and random shootings on the street isn't born out by our constitution." Washington, D.C., Mayor Adrian Fenty is an endorser of Obama.

Asked to elaborate on his understanding of what the second amendment actually means, Obama said that he does believe the second amendment "speaks to an individual's right." But he said that right could be "subject to common-sense regulation just like most of our rights are subject to common-sense regulation. So I think there's a lot of room before you [sic] bumping against a constitutional barrier for us to institute some of the common-sense gun laws."

In response to the crisis at Northern Illinois University, Obama said what the families were going through was unimaginable. He called for existing gun laws to be strengthened and pointed to a new law in California that allows authorities to trace bullets back to the guns they came from as a measure that both sides of the gun debate could potentially agree upon.

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Very smart to start regulating bullets.  If you are a gun owner you really shouldn't have any reason to object, and if you a gun control proponent it is a step in the right direction of encouraging responsible gun use.
"He called for existing gun laws to be strengthened and pointed to a new law in California that allows authorities to trace bullets back to the guns they came from as a measure that both sides of the gun debate could potentially agree upon."

Exactly right - find a possible point of agreement, start there.  This is what I like about Obama.  Logic.  That, and he can come up with constitutional analysis off the top of his head.  I know there isn't any specific expertise required to be President, but if you're going to be an expert at something, the Constitution seems like a good something.  As opposed to, say, brush clearing.  Or baseball.  
Another reason why Obama should be president. He is able to find a ground that both parties can agree on. Its not "wanted" by both parties but its not "hated" by both parties either. This shows that Obama can manage his way through party lines and get congress united and something done during his presidency.
Huh, interesting argument. And its fun having a candidate who can be interesting from time to time.
The Pubs think that the way to solve the problem of ever-more-frequent school shooting massacres is to arm ALL the students. That won't cut down on the massacres, but it sure will make professors think twice about giving any of their students a failing grade.

Face it, the obscene levels of gun violence in the US is the price we must pay for the precious right of the gun nuts to have their own private arsenals. They sure won't be voting for Obama, what with his approval of "common-sense" gun laws. They'll all be voting for McCain because the Pubs are all pro-gun, pro-torture, and anti-common-sense.
Obama is not saying anything that hasn't been said before.
This is why Senator Obama stands out.  This is a very logival and compelling argument.  If he is elected President, I would hope he nomintaes people to our courts who think this way too.
Obama would have voted to outlaw guns, if they had that vote.  Obama would have never authorized the 2nd amendment, had he been there.  Being a community activist he would have organized all the gangs and outlawed both shotguns and hand guns, if anyone had asked.  Obama would have done the right thing, what ever that is, if he had to.  Yes we can, because I said I could, if I had to.  Hey I'm young, Oh, I'm also half African and I know what it is like to do drugs; so vote for me because I'm kool.  Who said you have to have any experience to be President; probably some republican made that up.  Yes I Can!
"As opposed to, say, brush clearing.  Or baseball. "

Who knows anything about baseball (except maybe steriod use)? The Boy Genius traded away Sammy Sosa.
This is an example of political courage by Senator Obama.  I've been witness to many a Democrat go up in blazes when anything concerning the 2nd amendment is brought up.  He didn't ignore the issue but instead pointed to a common sense starting point for some kind of reconcialiation.  I am a Democrat AND I am a gun(s) owner but I do believe that some kinds of regulation are necessary.  There are some who completely dislike guns and some who believe that there should be no regulation whatsoever.  Mr. Obama is at least trying to negotiate instead of just attacking--something that Senator Clinton should learn.  Now I wonder what Senator Clinton's response would be to the same question.  Would it be a poll-based response or what she truly believes is right?
squitnz -

Not a mere coincidence that he can come up with an analysis of the constitution right off the top of his head. He was a professor of Constitutional Law for some 10+ years.
Although Barack Obama has represented urban areas of the country where gun violence was a community concern, he has been a long-time and consistent supporter of all Americans’ right to bear arms. Senator Obama has led the way in protecting our law enforcement officials by cracking down on armor-piercing bullets while also protecting individual rights of hunters and gun owners.

o Obama said he supported better enforcement of existing gun laws, not new ones. Obama said he supported “common sense gun control measures. For now, the federal government should focus on better enforcement of existing gun laws, rather than creating new ones.”

o Obama voted to give concealed carry for retired police and military. Obama voted to allow retired peace officers and military personnel who have served honorably for at least 10 years to receive a permit to concealed firearms. He was the only Chicago Democrat to do that. [93rd GA, SB 2188, 3/26/04, 3R P; 40-13-1]

o Obama voted to allow the use of a handgun for hunting. Obama voted to allow the use of a handgun during the open hunting season for deer. [93rd GA, SB 257, 3/24/03, 3R P; 47-5-2; 5/28/03, HA 1 SC; 55-2-0]

o Obama said municipalities should control local gun regulations, not the state. ‘That law eviscerated anti-handgun ordinances in some communities… The way I feel, Wilmette should not determine Mattoon’s firearms ordinances and Mattoon should not determine Wilmette’s. Obama said, “I don’t necessarily support those (gun-ban) laws… but I think local communities should have the right to pass them, and that’s what this law was about.” [Chicago Tribune, 10/8/04; Springfield Journal-Register, 6/3/04]

Barack Obama fully supports funding the Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS), a successful program that provides federal funds for hiring officers and acquiring equipment. President Bush proposed to slash COPS funding by 80 percent while Senator Obama believes this funding must be restored. Barack Obama voted to increase the penalty for assaulting a police officer with a deadly weapon and increased penalties for assaults upon a peace officer in general.

Barack Obama respects the Second Amendment right of gun owners and believes we can pass and enforce common sense gun laws to keep guns away from children and from criminals who should not be allowed to possess them due to their past conduct. He is also a strong supporter of making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, and believe such weapons belong on battlefields and not on our streets.

 Obama has taken way enough money from Lobbyist yet look who these two hippocrats attack here
We are in deep trouble wow the logic of Obama thinkers, it just blows the mind.
god,i do agree,obama can make take a messy problem and make it look as though it is as easy as fixing a flat tire..good commonsense!!it should be required of all public officials.bout time,obama 08
Hey, I organized people!  Did you forget, I'm a civil rights attorney!  People think I'm young and kool, and so do I.  I'm a community activist and supported by George Soros who knows just what you Americans need.  My leftist friends will ensure you get what we feel you should have so repeat after me, "Yes we can."  Oh, there is no illegal immigrant problem my fellow Americans - the Republicans made it up and there is nothing to fear. There is no reason undocumented voters can't have drivers licenses or free healthcare paid for by the rich American workers. We're all immigrants comrades.  
Middle ground... it's what this nation was founded on, and it's the only way this nation can move forward!

Middle-Ground!  Obama '08!
fred,what are you talking about???you are in the wrong forum
To PBrown (Sent Friday, February 15, 2008 1:48 PM)This is the Record

Obama's record in Illinois represents that of a pragmatic progressive, who pushed for moderate reforms and opposed right-wing legislation. In the IL legislature, voting "present" is the equivalent of voting "no" because a majority of "yes" votes are required for passage. Many IL legislators use the "present" vote as an evasion on an unpopular choice, so that they can avoid being targeted for voting "no." During the 2004 Democratic primary, an opponent mocked Obama's "present" vote on abortion bills with flyers portraying a rubber duck and the words, "He ducked!".
In 1997, Obama voted against SB 230, which would have turned doctors into felons by banning so-called partial-birth abortion, & against a 2000 bill banning state funding. Although these bills included an exception to save the life of the mother, they didn't include anything about abortions necessary to protect the health of the mother. The legislation defined a fetus as a person, & could have criminalized virtually all abortion.



Another "gun free zone" slaughter. Cesare, marchese di Beccaria-Bonesana correctly said in his 1764 On Crimes and Punishment:

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?
A: I don't think that we can get that done. But what we can do is to provide just some common-sense enforcement. The efforts by law enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers. As president, I intend to make it happen. We essentially have two realities, when it comes to guns, in this country. You've got the tradition of lawful gun ownership. It is very important for many Americans to be able to hunt, fish, take their kids out, teach them how to shoot. Then you've got the reality of 34 Chicago public school students who get shot down on the streets of Chicago. We can reconcile those two realities by making sure the Second Amendment is respected and that people are able to lawfully own guns, but that we also start cracking down on the kinds of abuses of firearms that we see on the streets.

Source: 2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas Jan 15, 2008
Ever heard the Republicans on gun control? They talk as if the Democrats are threatening to recind the 2nd amendment. It's how they will elections, frightening the uninformed. Obama is a breath of fresh air. Common sense? Yes!
Now I wonder what Senator Clinton's response would be to the same question.  Would it be a poll-based response or what she truly believes is right?

C.K. Steele Fort Lauderdale, FL (Sent Friday, February 15, 2008 2:06 PM)


Why do you make presumptions about her response .... obviously you're anti-Clinton and looking to disparage her any way you can.  I'm sure Senator Clinton has a thoughtful position on gun control based on her own convictions, but I'm willing to bet you'll tear it down in one way or another.
Look for mccain to issue an "we must arm all students so they aren't outgunned on their way to class" statement soon...remember, guns don't kill people, bullets do...
o Obama voted to allow the use of a handgun for hunting. Obama voted to allow the use of a handgun during the open hunting season for deer. [93rd GA, SB 257, 3/24/03, 3R P; 47-5-2; 5/28/03, HA 1 SC; 55-2-0]
Marbw
--Another example of why you probably are my all-time favorite F-R poster.  Good information, I learn a lot.  Anyway, I have never heard of hunting with a handgun.  Does anybody actually do such, why?



--Anyway, common sense regulation?  What would actually happen if we had a President that listened to common sense?  In that respect, he couldn't be more different than G.W. Bush.
Sorry I did not proof my typing before I hit the 'Submit' button.
LET'S DEBATE THIS IN WISCONSIN SENATOR OBAMA.
OMG!!


In other words Obama has said nothing as usual....

Nothing new there.

He was for Gun Control before, but now he is against it.

Like the War, against it.... then for it....now against it again..Which way is the wind blowing NOW??

WELCOME TO A NEW KIND OF POLITICS.... Obama 08.
OMG!!

18 debates with 18 people stop the stupid spin, we are not as blind and easily led as Obamite Lemmings, it's only TWO DEBATES where the two contender candidates have talked a little.  

Let them go at it.... Let the chips fall where they may....

Obama is a brilliant orator, so let him brilliantly orate....

The more debates the better for *all.*

Chickens go bak bak bak bak daak. or is it "Baraak."

BTW does anyone know if Barack, stole Hillary's economic package...
The Republicans (part of Obama's crossover constituency according to the unity people) say he has blatantly, brazenly stolen it.

Apparently, they, the Republicans, haven't crossed over much.... so much for the unity (BS).
They are all politicians, they (all) want power first. It's a matter of who can best control "it," and drive "it," in a direction that is profitable and suitable for the country, as a whole.... using that power...

LET THEM DEBATE.... IT'S GOOD FOR ALL OF US, THEM TOO...
Yes,it's true there will be a debate in Wisconsin after all. Stay tuned for further information.
I'm sure the other canidate has a "solution" for all our gun issues
Quote from HillaryClinton.com:

"I am deeply saddened by the senseless crime which took place yesterday at Northern Illinois University. My heart goes out to the victims and their loved ones. As a mother, I cannot begin to imagine the heartbreak and sadness wracking these families. They are in my prayers."

Not much depth there, in my opinion, but I am sure Hillary will have a position on the matter in the near future, after she consults with her staff.  Then I assume that she'll have her talking points perfected her debate performances coming up.  

CJ, Maine - yes, I know, that's what I was getting at!  

A Fan - So true.  OK, I should have said "supposed" expertise.  I also haven't personally seen the state of his brush...
I approved of NAFTA!  I'm a big liar!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/hillary-clinton-pretends-_b_86747.html
The Buffalo News reports that back in 1998, Clinton attended the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, and thanked praised corporations for mounting "a very effective business effort in the U.S. on behalf of NAFTA." Yes, you read that right: She traveled to Davos to thank corporate interests for their campaign ramming NAFTA through Congress.
I hope Texas is seeing this.
Oh crap, it's all caps debate guy again - guy/gal, if you're gonna keep posting your little rabble, pick a phrase and a name - trying to change the line and name every time just makes it more irritating and futile.
So refreshing. Most people are not as far apart on the divisive social issues as politicians and special interest groups would like us to believe, and Obama appears to be able to bridge that gap.
Small factions like to paint the gun issue as black and white. One side says we should all have guns with no restrictions and the other says no one should have any guns. They energize voters on this issue as if there was no in between and it helps them win elections, etc. But then we really get nowhere. Gun owners (hunters, sportsman etc) are not happy and people are dying in the streets while we continue to go back and forth - all guns, no guns, all guns... What we need to do is step back and say, ok, some people want guns, maybe that's ok if it's only for recreational use or self-defense, after all, it's the killers we really want to get the guns away from. So, let's enact some legislation to make it far more difficult for them to get access, or to get away with using their guns in a crime, and let's do it in a way that won't infringe on legitimate gun ownership. And best of all, such a compromise may happen! And lives would be saved! Nothing will get done while battling extreme positions. Cut through the special interests and make things happen that are best for the American people. Love it. And this is just guns. It's the same with health care. Obama's plan is realistic and cuts right to the heart of the problem. Hunters buying guns is not why we have so much gun violence in this country. Lack of mandated health care is not why we have so many people unable to afford health care. Get to the real issues. Guns used in crimes. The high cost of health care. Actionable ideas that can be accomplished and benefit America instead of extreme positions used to artificially galvanize ones political base against the others. Love it! Obama can change the way we view and do politics.
Dear Aswini Anburajan,
Although by the tone of your article, you seem to convey a slightly anti-obama element, as a copy editor, i invite you to take a look at the below edit (and perhaps reserve the 'sic' for when it's really needed). just a suggestion.

you quote obama: "So I think there's a lot of room before you [sic] bumping against a constitutional barrier for us to institute some of the common-sense gun laws."

logical edit: So, I think there's a lot of room before you, bumping against a constitutional barrier for us to institute some of the common-sense gun laws."
notice how the comma inserted for pause (which is common) makes his syntax more understandable? this also could be achieved using an em or en dash.
yeah todd from phoenix, her position would probably be it would hurt wal-mart sales.
This Wisconsin debate argument is starting to sound like Rudy 9/11 Giuliani.  You know, the guy who brought up 9/11 in response to every question?   Come to think of it, he also had the "ignore these little states and wait for my big push in an Important State" strategy.  And he is from New York.   Hmmmmm.


Anyway, I have never heard of hunting with a handgun.  Does anybody actually do such, why?

Nicholas: Minnesota (Sent Friday, February 15, 2008 2:25 PM)

It kind of depends on what part of the country that you're in and the local regulations and guidelines.  In my personal opinion, I think it's kind of dumb but then some people think all hunting is.  Some people do it for the thrill because you generally have to get closer to the target.  Most people I know hunt with bows and rifles.  They have shotgun seasons also but I stay away from those because they are too dangerous!  Sometimes a handgun is used to humanely put an animal out of its misery after some idiot shot the deer in the stomach or tried to be "Rambo" and go for a headshot.  Also some people down here hunt gator--legally and illegally--and a handgun is usually necessary for that.
**** February 19:

Hawaii (D)-
The caucus for presidential preference polling begins at 7:00 p.m. and will end no earlier than 7:30 p.m. Many sites are opening earlier for registration and processing for those registered voters who join the Democratic Party that night. Officials hope many voters will register ahead of time so they can be prepared at the polling sites. You will want to check where the sites are ahead of time because the polling places are not necessarily the same locations where you vote in an election.
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Barack Obama's sister Maya explains the Hawaii Caucus --
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHV9Ac8t9UY&eurl -

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hihome-
http://www.hawaii.gov/elections-
http://www.hawaiidemocrats.org/-
http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/higotc-
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Wisconsin primary-
  Polls are open from 7:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Any voter in line at 8:00 p.m. must be permitted to vote.
Wisconsin has same day registration. First time voters, or voters registering on election day must present proof of residence showing that you have lived at your present location for at least 10 days preceding the election. Proof of residence includes: a current and valid Wisconsin driver's license, Wisconsin ID card, College ID with Photo, utility bill, paycheck, or other government document.
To register at the polls, bring a piece of official mail sent to you at your current voting address.

http://www.wisdems.org/-
http://elections.state.wi.us/faq_detail.asp?faqid=119&fid=27&locid47&linkid
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Washington state PRIMARY(relevant to 2nd link below)-
(info and video)-
http://www.wa-democrats.org/caucusinfo-
http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/re_primary_pushing

Mr. Obama can you please tell me what will you do, if for some strange reason you get the nomination, when you dont have the media, the press and the shady Republicans backing you when you have to go up against McCain? You will see how it feels to be THE CENTER OF ATTACK.  Get ready for the Republican's attack train because it is COMING YOUR WAY.
We finally get a glimpse of how Obama thinks. What he is saying is that the amendments are the law, until someone in the legislator thinks differently. He's saying that people have rights, until a politician decides to take them away from you, all under the cloak of "common-sense". Spoken like a true liberal who believes he/she knows better then anyone else.
**** March 4:
Ohio primary
Ohio polling places are open 6:30 a.m. - 7:30 p.m.*
*If you are still standing in line at your polling location at 7:30 p.m., poll workers must give you the opportunity to vote! Ohio law requires all voters to take identification to the polls.

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/yvc/main/faqs.htm">http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/yvc/main/faqs.htm
http://www.sos.state.oh.us/
http://www.ohiodems.org/site/c.mhLRKZPCLmF/b.3751973/
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Rhode Island primary
http://www.sec.state.ri.us/elections
http://www.ridemocrats.org/
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Texas
  Polls are open 7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. -
http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/index.shtml
http://www.txdemocrats.org/


Hillery offers solutions for the problems of the country, where she cann't offer any for her campaign problems.
she insists on having Dibaits because she dosn't have money to pay for ads.
She seams not to be able to contrul her staff. should we belive that she can do so when she is a presedent.
She is being incapable in the past why should we belive that she will do better in the feuture.
**** March 4:

Vermont
Deadline to register for voting in the 2008 presidential primary is February 27, 2008 @ 5:00 p.m. http://vermont-elections.org/soshome.htm
http://www.vtdemocrats.org/
I for one as a "Gun Nut" Think that what he's saying about so called Tracable Bullets is just plain stupid!!! What would stop someone from going to a gun range,Picking up some spent cartriges & Leaving them at the scene of the crime.People Kill People not Guns,Guns are a tool.If someone kills someone with a Hammer,Should we be able to trace the hammer? See,Just Dumb...Go McCain!!!
Personally, considering the Constitutional crimes being committed daily, I don't understand why every liberal isn't a gun owner. The right wingers only shoot at defenseless animals (and occasionally hit some skank GOP lawyer, but not often enough to be a help).
THE WISCONSIN DEBATE WILL HAPPEN ! YES ! YES ! YES !


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