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Changing plans, changing minds

Posted: Sunday, February 17, 2008 4:44 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC/NJ's Athena Jones
MILWAUKEE, WI -- The word on Hillary Clinton -- at least among campaign staffers and many voters who have met her -- is that the while she may not come across on stage as well as Barack Obama, the closer people get to her, the more they like her.

So when bad weather prevented a plane trip to Green Bay, forcing the cancellation of an event in nearby De Pere, Clinton went to Miss Katie's Diner here to press the flesh. It's the kind of close interaction she likes. The visit thrilled six young women seated at a corner booth, who talked excitedly amongst themselves as the senator slowly worked her way toward them.

One told the group this could help her make up her mind come Election Day. Rep. Tammy Baldwin chatted briefly with the women before Clinton came over with Wisconsin Lt. Gov. Barbara Lawton. The senator called them "dynamic women" and talked about her student supporters and college campuses that she said were "coming alive again."

"I encourage all of you to get involved in some way or another," Clinton said.

Afterwards, the three women eligible to vote in the state said they were still undecided, but that this personal contact had helped. One student, who attends Xavier University in Ohio -- a key state for Clinton -- explained why she was having trouble deciding between Clinton and Obama.

"It's kind of a tough choice just because, you know, Obama's really hit the young people so far and Hillary is, I mean, right now so," said 21-year-old Alison Traudt, who was here visiting her sister.

Terese Hagerty, a 19-year-old from St. Louis, MO who is a student at Marquette University, said she was going back and forth on whom to support, but would definitely be voting on Tuesday, saying it was her responsibility. She was impressed that the senator personally came to every table in the diner.
 
"They're both putting so much effort in there. And obviously, I mean kind of like a broken record, but Hillary's experience versus Barack's like fresh look, so it's really, it's just very difficult, because they both do have strengths and they're both speaking to many different age groups, so it's difficult," Hagerty said.
 
The two other Wisconsin voters at the table vigorously agreed that they would be hitting the polls, even if they weren't sure when they would be making up their minds.

The next stop was El Rey, a supermarket in a Hispanic neighborhood, where they announced the senator's arrival over the loudspeakers in Spanish several times and thanked her for coming. Painted on the wall above the checkout area were the phrases "Orgullo hispano" ("Hispanic pride") and "God Bless America."

"That's my girl," said Abel Deleon, 36, who works at family-owned restaurant Carnito's Don Lucho nearby. Deleon, who is originally from Texas but says he will "definitely" be voting for Hillary here on Tuesday, snapped a picture of the senator with his cameraphone and shook her hand. He said he liked the Clintons, but couldn't really explain why.
 
"I like both of them. What they represent; what they're trying to do," Deleon said.

The senator has consistently done well with Hispanic voters and was fairly mobbed at events in largely Hispanic South Texas and at a canvassing event in San Antonio last week.

Clinton has been criticized by Obama for not campaigning extensively in Wisconsin. Her plan is to depart the state Monday, a day before the primary. Her campaign has said they expect her to "hold her own" here.

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HILLARY CLINTON WILL UPSET, FRONTRUNNER OBAMA IN WISCONSIN ! Hillaryclinton.com, please come for a visit today.
On a conference call, Gov. Doyle lamented that Hillary Clinton was not talking with the people???  Was she on Mars when she went to Miss Katie's Diner in De Pere????  I can guarantee that Senator Clinton was indeed not on Mars, but those that support Obama definitely are!
Hillary walks the walk, while Obama just talks the talk!

Hillary 08!!!
It was mighty nice of Miss. Hillary to fit Wisconsin into her schedule.  I am sure that the unimportant little people appreciated her nod of attention. Of course by Wednesday they will be in line with all the other states that are unimportant to her.  If I am not mistaken I think she spent more time thinking about America Samoa.  (but only until they voted)  
This has to be the toughest political choice either party has faced in a generation.  It isn’t an easy decision to make, or one to make lightly; I only hope we get it right.  Take a deep breath and enough time to think this through. Read all you can and PLEASE talk to anybody you need to before you cast your vote.  Our whole future depends on this, folks.

By the way, Tammy Baldwin is a great congresswoman, and Barbara Lawton rules.

Dear J. Quinn,

1. Gov. Doyle is a man (he not she)
2. Miss Katie's Diner is in downtown Milwaukee...not De Pere

Thanks--for more facts, check out barackobama.com
J. Quinn: Grow up!

Z: Hope springs eternal.
Obama's Health Care Plan Would Cover More People Than Hillary's.

"I've compared the two plans in detail. Both of them are big advances over what we have now. But in my view Obama's would insure more people, not fewer, than HRC's. That's because Obama's puts more money up front and contains sufficient subsidies to insure everyone who's likely to need help – including all children and young adults up to 25 years old…In short: They're both advances, but O's is the better of the two. HRC has no grounds for alleging that O's would leave out 15 million people."  - Robert Reich, 12/3/07
It's frustrating to see the same old politics... the Clintons are some of the most hardcore political insiders in many years.  I hope that people will be ok with 4 or 8 years of more scandals if she wins... Her supporters should do a little reading into her history.  Supporters of all candidates should, but there is a LOT of interesting reading on the Clintons.
To Stacy in Virginia:

Are you trying to imply that Senator Clinton feels the same way about Wisconsin as Obama feels about the people in Michigan and in Florida!!?  I do not recall once that Senator Clinton put out a memo stating that when people vote it does not matter!  How can you argue that Hillary Clinton does not care about how people vote when Barack Obama has taken great strides to ensure that MILLIONS of votes do not count!!!  I think you are in no position to make this argument when Hillary Clinton is the one who out there fighting for all people in all states.  Simply put, a vote is a vote and each vote should count, just as the majority of the votes that Hillary will get in Wisconsin's primary will count!
wow...real impressive, hil.  support from the groups who already support you.  also, hitting those six girls should definitely boost that youth vote!!  especially since only three were registered, and the other three still undecided after a ONE on ONE meeting!  

pack your bags (including bill) and call it a year.  you're out, old news.  obama '08!
Glad the the Clintons realize that young voters count.  However, way to late.  If this is how she will run the White House of realizing all the different groups and that they count it sounds desisive.
All Presidentail candidates are impressive when you meet them one-on-one.  But what will they do when they get to the White House is the difference.  What did Hillary do while Bill was President?  What will Bill do in the halls of the White House while Hillary is President?
I recently changed my support from Hillary to Obama; even though, I had been blogging for her for several months.

Me and my family used to be the biggest fans of Bill Clinton. Everyone in my community can't stand to see Bill on TV anymore.  I’m not sure if its his older age or maybe the lack of sleep lately, but I truly believe his lost his mind.  He makes no sense anymore, cares about nothing other than attempting to get his wife elected, plucks words right out of the air while stating nothing, and now even goes against the voices of mass voters...

Bill Clinton is really not he same person I USED to respect and admire!

This country needs straight shooters.  Vote for anybody but the Clinton Fabricators....Obama first, if not, then McCain!
Hillary helped to make my choice easy. Her win-at-any-cost campaign helped me to decide on Obama. Of course, so did he, and I'm very impressed/inspired by his positive campaign and authenticity.
I am also very turned off by Hillary and her camp's continuous campaign to bring up the Fla. voters after she agreed/pledged those delegates would not be counted. This kind of conflict we don't need!
Obama '08!
Barack Obama says we should reject "the same ole Washington players, playing the same ole Washington game, expecting different results"hmmmm...tell me then Mr. Obama, why is it your staff is made up of all those "same ole Washington players, playing the same ole Washington games" too if you're so concerned about change? Why Mr. Obama do you fail to be truthful to your supporters about that?

Hillary Clinton supporters know about her. Some of us have been reminded numerous times. I dont need someone on the internet to let me know about her, but hey thanks anyway..
I seem to notice a theme here. Get Hillary at any cost. Seens the young tech saavy groupies have an agenda. Forget respect,Forget substance, Dis where Obama can't. Seems I renember that back during the last election. You know, swift boats. com. Get It? If Obama wins the primary, we all lose. How do you guys say it? DUH?????
I seem to notice a theme here. Get Hillary at any cost. Seens the young tech saavy groupies have an agenda. Forget respect,Forget substance, Dis where Obama can't. Seems I renember that back during the last election. You know, swift boats. com. Get It? If Obama wins the primary, we all lose. How do you guys say it? DUH?????
THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION IS WHY WON"T HILLARY RELEASE HER RECORDS UNTIL AFTER "IF" SHE GETS THE NOMINATION. SHe has something to hide people.....think if that!.....you want more of that then vote for Hillary....you want transparency...then vote OBAMA
To Americans,
We all have short memories. The Clinton's have been in Whitehouse for 8 years. Why is Mrs Clinton wants to go back to White House again? This election is not about black man vs White Woman but about change. The white house is not made for the Clintons and Bushs. Former Pre. Clinton is out there speaking for his wife. Why you want someone who commit adultry in the White House again.If you want change vote for Obama.
Someone posted about them and their family admiring Bill Clinton.  As President, Bill was friendly and admirable guy.  Most Americans don't understand Bill's role in the economic boom of the 1990s.  They only know that he was president.  If you ask people what specific polices did Bill Clinton implement to cause the economic boom of the 1990s, nearly all have no clue, because there were none.
Hey J. Quinn, I will respond for Stacy.  Senator Obama has done something to disenfranchise the voters in Michigan and Florida?  I did not realize that he was running the DNC when they decided to strip both states of their delegates.  You know who was on the rules committee of the DNC, however?  Harold Ickes.  That's right, Hillary's Harold Ickes.  And he voted to strip them.  Obama's camp is merely requesting that the rules that EVERYONE agreed to are followed, and it's disgusting to see that the need to eke out a win by whatever means necessary has clouded the judgment of Hillary's camp and everyone who supports this ridiculous line of reasoning.  Does it even bother you at all that Hillary ran against "Uncommitted" in Michigan, and that "Uncommitted" racked up 37% of the vote???  I truly hope you're not a little league coach...
Debbe , you need to read more and understand  what's going on. The Bushes and the Clintons are part of the new world order. A woman does not need to be a president. God made man as the head not woman. Thats why the world is in such a turmoil because we are not following God's order. Love one another and do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Obama is a man who is sent by God and regardless what you haters say a change will come.
Hillary voted to authorize W to invade Iraq. She trusted W's judgement. Sums up why she'll never get my vote.
Obama supporters:

Brace yourself. Billary is desperate and you know what that means? You guessed it. Continuous divide and conquer wedges of negativity with just the right amount of disingenuous emotion all the way through to Mar 4.
If she wins the nomination don't bother voting in November 'cause you'll only regret feeling responsible for helping divide the country even further, handing over Congress to the GOP in 2010 and returning the Whitehouse to the GOP in 2012.
I am totally convinced there is no candidate other than Barack Obama who can united this nation and bring a refreshing change to old Washington gridlock.  He is a real gentleman and very intelligent!
I guess they don't get many celebraties in Wisconsion. Getting to see Hillary up close must have been exciting. But how many Hillary supporters know the long history of Bill and Hillary's long history of scandles, lies, manipulations, immorality, and corruption? Why would anyone want people like that representing them? I don't get it. Go Barack!! Take this country to a new level.
I believe that to be a president of the USA does not need to have 35 years of working experiences in the White House.  It needs someone who can lead, who can inspire others to participate and work together.  In reality, no one knows everything.  That's why there are senators and other law makers to help the president.  Just think about in real life, most company would prefer hire someone with 4-8 year working experiences than hiring someone already in the fielf for over 35 years.  The young blood would bring new ideas while the old one  insist that his/her way was based on his/her life time experience.  The world is changing everyday.  The White House does not need a fighter, it needs a peace maker.
If you're still undecided between Clinton and Obama, please read all you can, then decide.  I can't say much about Clinton, but the article in the December issue of the  Atlantic entitled "Goodbye To All That: Why Obama Matters" (it's on line) is one you should not miss.
It is funny and messy!!! Clinton's supporters and Obama's supporters hate each others. So why don't you vote for McCain!!!
I am appalled that young ones now-a-days go crazy for a candidate named Barrack HUSSEIN OBAMA. Just because the hatred the media have toward Bill Clinton in the past and present and used that to demonize "Hillary", but indeed hidden on the sideline is, the media cannot stand "Hillary" simply for the reason that she is a WOMAN. Wake up America and especially the young ones that just because the media treats Barrack HUSSEIN OBAMA like a "rock-star" is not enough for you all to turn your back against Hillary Rodham Clinton who happened to be the only one among the 3 candidates who makes sense, with great wisdom, knowledge and experience to lead America to become great again and be respected around the world. I repeat, I am a democrat all my life and at 67 years of age, if Hillary don't make it, good bye co-democrats but my vote will certainly go to Senator McCain. He makes more sense than Barrack HUSSEIN OBAMA.
I don't know how things have played out in other states but being from Nebraska I find it awfully coincidental that the e-mail about obama being muslim and not respecting the flag (which is total crap) only got sent to the older generation, whose emotions she knew she could play.  She didn't bother sending it to anyone in my generation (i'm 26) obviously because she knew we are quite skeptical and know how easy it is to research such claims.  What gets me is how I always hear how connected she is with the generation she treats like sheep.  Anyone else noticed this?
I don't know how things have played out in other states but being from Nebraska I find it awfully coincidental that the e-mail about obama being muslim and not respecting the flag (which is total crap) only got sent to the older generation, whose emotions she knew she could play.  She didn't bother sending it to anyone in my generation (i'm 26) obviously because she knew we are quite skeptical and know how easy it is to research such claims.  What gets me is how I always hear how connected she is with the generation she treats like sheep.  Anyone else noticed this?
To J Quinn:
Are you an idiot, you only got one point correct. A vote is a vote; Senator Clinton, Harold Ickes, Senator Obama, and the whole of the DNC voted to strip Florida and Michigan of their delegates after they moved up their primaries. Every one agreed. Now because HRC is behind, and hasn't won a primary since Super Tuesday, she and her campaign are crying that those delegates should be seated. Same old Clintonian politics, if they are not winning, then change the rules, intimidate, kill, or bribe until they get their way. Let's re-hold the primaries if those delegates are to be seated, and see what HRC thinks about that now that Barak Obama has the momentum!
I think that it's wonderful that HRC is reaching out to college age students...she is wonderful.  Her appeal to the youth is unique and she is the real candidate for Change.  I think she should run for Karl Rove as VP...that way they can be a wonderful ticket.
John stop the lying they all made a pledge that they would back what the dnc decided which was to strip the delagates from those states for breaking there rules. Hillary's senior advisor was one of the ones on the committe that handed down that punishment. So we all know the canidates made a pledge this is what a pledge means: A SOLEMN PROMISE OR AGREMENT TO DO OR REFRAIN FROM DOING SOMETHING. When hillary was on the mich ballat alone and one she was comming of the NH win and she made no issue of the mich win she honored her pledge, then when Obama one SC she flew into florida to except the victory and starting talking about seating those delogates to take away from his win. She broke her pledge and continues to look at ways to seat them which again is the same as lying her campaign pledges to the voters will be treated the same.
For the delusional EJ who is buying Obama-Reich-Healthcare nonsense.



   Paul Krugman: Clinton’s plan ‘would cover almost twice as many of those now uninsured as a plan resembling Mr. Obama’s.’ “Specifically, new estimates say that a plan resembling Mrs. Clinton’s would cover almost twice as many of those now uninsured as a plan resembling Mr. Obama’s… And both plans seek to make insurance affordable to lower-income Americans. The Clinton plan is, however, more explicit about affordability, promising to limit insurance costs as a percentage of family income. And it also seems to include more funds for subsidies. [New York Times, 2/4/08]

   Concord Monitor: ‘Gruber estimated that 15 million people would remain uninsured under Obama’s plan.’ “Jonathan Gruber, a health economist at Massachusetts Institute of Technology who worked on the Massachusetts plan, said a mandate means "the difference between universal or near-universal coverage. Obama would have a large expansion, better than anything the Republicans have, but not universal coverage," Gruber said. "You can't get it without a mandate; it's just not possible." Gruber estimated that 15 million people would remain uninsured under Obama's plan.” [Concord Monitor, 12/26/07]

   Len Nichols, Jonathan Gruber and Mark Pauly: ‘even with other cost saving measures and a child mandate, we think that it is very likely that a least 15 million American would remain uninsured.’ “Recent estimates suggest that a plan with uniform generous subsidies but without a mandate would cover no more than one-half of the uninsured in the U.S. Even with other cost-saving measures and a child mandate, we think that it is very likely that at least 15 million Americans would remain uninsured.” [New America Foundation Policy Brief, 12/06/07]

   Jonathan Holohan of the Urban Institute: ‘Obama would still leave about 22 million, 23 million, but he has a mandate for children, about 9 million uninsured kids, so assuming you get most of them, you get pretty close to 15 million.’ [New Republic, 12/03/07]

   Wall Street Journal: ‘Mrs. Clinton charges that Mr. Obama's plan would leave 15 million people without insurance. Outside experts agree that number is in the ballpark.’ [Wall Street Journal, 12/04/07]

   Washington Post: ‘The Obama plan could leave a third of those currently uninsured lacking coverage.’ [Washington Post, 6/9/07]


Obama is not offering UNIVERSAL health care because he strongly disagrees with that approach.  He is simply distorting reality to cover his weakness by using the word "universal" to describe something completely not.

I've said it many times.  Obama is not progressive on many issues that matter most and he's getting a pass on it from the press because he's a shiny new toy.
I am as conflicted as any reasonable Democrate would be between Clinton and Obama. But the kind of emotionalism that I see demonistrated by the Obama camp has the potential of distroying the chances of the Democratic Party in November should Clinton emerged the winner.
Barack is such a boring hypocrite.  Will America really allow white males to call this election.  Will sexism keep the best prepared possible person in a very long time from being the nominee?

I pray not!  Hillary the HOPE of 08  :)
First to Debbe. Obama wants to change Washington, but you can't just walk in there with no plan and no help. It's unfortunate, but he does need people with experience in Washington, but it will be his ideas that they will be working on and supporting.


About Michigan and in Florida. All candidates (Even Hilary) pledged that those votes would not count. In Michigan only Hilary's name was on the ballot and in Florida no one even campaigned there. Surprise Surprise, now that Hilary is behind she is asking those votes to count and to go to her. Would she be saying the same thing if those states had gone to Obama?


Sorry Michigan and Florida, but you were warned what would happen if you moved up the primary date, and yet you did it anyway. This wouldn't even be an issue right now if Hilary was able to keep her word on anything, but we all know how she plays.
Guess what, a lot of Hilary's supporters did not even vote for her in Florida's primary. They were either democrats or home owners that were also voting for a tax reform bill over our very high property taxes. So many independents did not vote if they were not homeowners because of this fiasco about the vote not counting. By the By, there is a lot of seniors in Florda, but also a lot of families, students and young people that are in in every walk of life. We are not the retirement capital of the world any longer.  Too expensive for some folks on a fixed income.
Please, America, WAKE up!  We have supported almost
every country in the world. WHOM NOW CAN DO THE BEST
JOB FOR WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES?
As a Military Dependent, I have been to three countries.  Japan in 1950, Germany 1953, England
1980. Our children went to 14 different schools
in the states and overseas.
My husband was in the Air Force. He was on call
24 hours a day.  He worked on the Fighter Planes.
The Turbin Engines, that kept our country and
other countries safe.
Sometimes, I did see, Yankee go home!!
You know Debbe, sometimes you have to play the game for a while, until you are in the possability to make the changes.  You can only make changes when you are in power.  Give Obama the chance, and if he doesn't make changes then(which i doubt) then hold him accountable.
And i would be very careful of accusing Obama from lying after Hilary's history with the voting for the Iraqi war and the way she tried to talk herself out of that one ...
To J. Quinn who said:  >>Are you trying to imply that Senator Clinton feels the same way about Wisconsin as Obama feels about the people in Michigan and in Florida!!? <<<    Please don't simply ignore relevant facts in your arguments; it makes your candidate's supporters look ... well, like they want to "win at any cost".  ALL of the candidates, including Sen. Clinton, pledged that, because those states broke the party's rules, WI and FL would not have any of their delegates count and that the candidates themselves would not campaign in those states. The other candidates (Obama, Edwards, Biden, Dodd) took their names off the WI ballot; Clinton did not but stated that it was no problem because "those votes wouldn't matter"; none of the candidates campaigned there, although some WI residents supported Clinton and some supported votes for "uncommitted." -- In FL it was too late for anyone to remove their name but no one campaigned UNTIL Sen. Clinton lost SC and then she began making statements designed to attract support from FL voters and went down to 'celebrate' her victory.  She is the one going back on her pledge and "changing the rules in the middle of the game" - Obama is doing nothing other than keeping his word, just as Edwards, Biden, Dodd, etc. did and would be doing.  Even Clinton's own supporters such as former Sen. Kerrey and Sen. Schumer acknowledge that the WI and FL primary results cannot count.  -----  In WA, the party rules require that delegates be selected from the caucuses, not the upcoming primary. -- It's the party's nominee that is being chosen, so the party's rules control.  End of discussion.  -- All this is old news that most people know but worth repeating in case anyone new to the issues 'buys' your argument which simply misstates reality.
Yes do your research and you will find more good than bad in Hillary's life long service to help people. I am amazed daily by bloggers attacking her when how many of them have given anything compared to the service she has?! It is fine if you don't agree with her views but to label her a bad person is just wrong. I don't think those she has helped in the last 35 years would agree with the opinions of the hillary haters. She has my vote because I have done my research and she is the most prepared to be commander-in-chief, all the hateful blogs won't change that fact for me!
One argument put forward by HRC that really bugs me is that she would be ready to be president on day one.  Aside from the fact that she took a page out of the senior Bush’s play book (it was the line he used in his run for his first term as president), Hillary is just disingenuous when she say’s she would be ready from day one.  As a voter I expect a candidate that claims they will be ready on day one to run a campaign that shows they will be ready on day one.  For me HRC’s campaign has only demonstrated exactly how unready she really is.  First, HRC’s campaign seriously underestimated the possibility of any other candidate posing a serious threat to her candidacy.  Can we afford a president that underestimates foes and does not make contingency plans?  HRC’s campaign has had no fiscal discipline – wildly spending money in large states on Super Tuesday, ignoring smaller states, and running so short of money she had to borrow to keep the campaign afloat.  Can we afford another president who lacks fiscal discipline, who tries to buy her/his way out of problems as opposed to using careful well thought out plans?  HRC’s campaign is an internal mess; she was unable to put together a team of individuals that could go the distance in this campaign.  Can we afford another president who keeps choosing less qualified people to do the most important jobs just because they happen to be personal friends and political insiders (there is a name for it, it is called cronyism)?  HRC claims Obama is all talk and that he can’t walk the walk.  But even the best plans are just talk until they are executed:  At this level both Obama and HRC are just talk (as are all candidates).  Looking at the two campaigns, Obama’s campaign shows that he his ready to be president; HRC’s is just a mess.  Can we afford a president who wasn’t even ready to run her own campaign for president?  Come on Hillary you weren’t ready for this campaign how can we believe that you will be ready on day one to be president?
Troubling Observations for the Democratic Party:

1. Another day gone by and still no resolution for the Michigan and Florida voters and delegates

2. John Lewis’ statement that he “may” switch his endorsement to Barack Obama.  I don’t have an issue with him, a super delegate, changing his mind but I do take exception to his explanation.  He has suggested that he needs to vote the way his congressional district voted.  BUT that is not what is expected from the super delegates.  They are expected to make an independent decision on who they feel is the best candidate to win the general election and become President.  If he feels Barack is better qualified then say that.  As it is he comes across as just not understanding his role as a super delegate.

3. The racial bias by the African American voters vs. a more balanced white vote.  By African Americans voting 80% for their candidate suggests there is a sizable %age of voters (10%-20%) that are not voting based on the issues and capabilities of the candidate.  The 80% might be more plausible if the opposing candidate (Clinton) was not such a strong supporter of civil rights with a demonstrable track record.  As it is, the bias of this 10%-20% may trigger an opposing reaction or backlash by the white electorate, if not in the democratic primary then the general election.
The idea that the Clinton campaign is ignoring states and voters is so silly.
I have seen this disengenuous idea tauted many times.
This shows either a lack of understanding of political strategy or it is just people grasping negative straws to make their point.
Either way, it will not sway anyone.
Keep it up though, it tells me I am right not to join in the lovefest.
Hillary Clinton's entire campaign is based on attacking Barack Obama and bringing him down.  She is the one who said that Red states (the Dems can't win them in the general election) and caucus states (only activists participate) don't count.  Obama is not responsible for the bad decision made by the democratic parties in MI and FL to move their primaries before Feb. 5.  Anyone that falls for the false, misleading, downright unethical campaign Clinton is running is not doing their homework.  
debbe, ever hear of "know your enemy"?  having those "insiders" on his staff means that he gets information directly from the sources and knows exactly what needs to be changed from those who have been there done that!


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