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Delegate Count Update

Posted: Monday, February 18, 2008 12:10 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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We know we said we're taking the rest of the day off, but we figured for those of you wondering where things stand before tomorrow's primaries, here's the latest delegate count. The NBC Hard Count is unchanged since Feb. 14, and we added one superdelegate in Obama's column since Thursday. (This does not include John Lewis for Obama; he remains in the Clinton column -- none of us is quite sure what exactly his position is, since he hasn't commented on it since the New York Times piece. But it does include David Scott.)

Official NBC News Hard Count (Democrats)
Obama 1,116
Clinton 985

NOTE: There are 44 pledged delegates still unallocated, including 19 from MD, 10 each from CO and GA and one each from IL, NM, NY, TN and DC.

NBC News Political Unit Estimate for those 44: Obama 24, Clinton 20.

NBC News Political Unit Superdelegate Count
Clinton 257
Obama 183

GRAND TOTAL:
Obama 1,323
Clinton 1,262

Needeed to be Dem nominee: 2,025

Official NBC News Hard Count (Republicans)
McCain 822  
Romney 282  
Huckabee 243  
Paul 14 
Others 7

Needed to be nominee: 1,191

*** UPDATE *** With the endorsement of Rep. Chet Edwards (D-TX) of Obama today, the superdelegate total is now: Clinton 257, Obama 184. (Since Feb. 5, Obama has gotten 14 superdelegate endorsements, while Clinton has lost a net of three.)

The grand total then stands at:
Obama 1,324
Clinton 1,262

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Please come visit, hillaryclinton.com. We welcome you with open arms.
We are suppposed to believe you slanted, biased, call yourselves journalists, idiots? OH puleeesse!
character, integrity, ideals, judgement = REAL CHANGE!

Obama '08!
FYI: Obama talking about Hillary Clinton on her period and being down, is disgusting, and an insult to ALL women.
Tell us why you won't debate Hillary in Wisconsin Obama, tell us the real truth about your years of friendship with Rezco the slum lord who has been indited, tell us the truth abot Exilon, and the nuclear bill that you watered down for your big contributors,.. make some more stolen, dream, fairytale speeches.  Then tell us why anyone let alone women should vote for you.
Let's all get behind McCain.  Conservatives and semi-liberals alike.  MaCain is the most viable candidate.
Who's sillier, you for putting up another post on your day off or me for coming back to see if you had? LOL. Politics never stops.  
Number of electoral votes based on the latest polls for each state:
• Hillary Clinton - 203
• John McCain - 317

National Poll Averages by Month:

February
Hillary Clinton: 46.0 John McCain: 47.8



Number of electoral votes based on the latest polls for each state:
• Barack Obama - 261
• John McCain - 266

National Poll Averages by Month

February
Barack Obama: 48.5 John McCain: 45.3

Right now, HRC is not only behind in terms of % overall....she is getting SMOKED by mcCain in terms of electoral college projections!!!!

We MUST Coalesce around the stronger candidate...that candidate (regardless of GENDER or RACE) is Obama, who has only to make up 6 points in the electoral college as opposed to a whopping 70!!

Let's leave the finger-pointing and bruised egos behind and move FORWARD folks!!!!
If you count only delegates elected by voters, Obama has 13% more delegates than Clinton. Not huge, but significant.

Since "super"delegates can change their votes, none of those votes should be counted until the convention.
If the delegates that Hillary won in Fla and Mich arent seated at the convention in August because of "the rules," then the super delegates should over ride the independent vote for Obama, and nominate Hillary Clinton.
The RULES say they allowed to vote for whoever they want.
You live by the rules, you die by the rules.
If you count only delegates elected by voters, Obama has 13% more delegates than Clinton. Not huge, but significant.

Since "super"delegates can change their votes, none of those votes should be counted until the convention.
I think that you've got the numbers wrong.  Because Michigan and Florida delegates don't count as of now, the total number of delegates needed to get the nomination would be less the approximately half of the 400 that won't be seated.  Therefore the total needed is approximately 1805 for the nomination and obama would be short about 482 short for the nomination.  
Thank you for the update -- now, go get some much deserved rest.

Yes we can, Obama '08.
Apparently Obama thought super delegates were important since he donated $700K to them during 2005-2006 while plotting his prez run.

Hillary donated less than $200K to them.
JUST A LITTLE NOTE TO MIKA-MORNING JOE.

I HOPE THE DEM'S BALLOT IN NOVEMBER READS,

HILLARY CLINTON

NOT -- (OBAMA --CANS)

IN FACT , WHY NOT PUT HIM ON THE REPUBLICAN BALLOT SINCE THEY LOVE HIM SO MUCH.

H I L L A R Y C L I N T O N . C O M

The Huffington Post

Karen Stabiner
The Change Candidate Needs to Change His Tone Towards Women
Posted February 17, 2008 | 07:07 PM (EST)
The first time Hillary Clinton ran a television ad complaining about Barack Obama's unwillingess to debate in Wisconsin, he fired back with an ad of his own about the 18 debates he's already participated in and the two more that are scheduled.
She wouldn't let it go; her subsequent ad speculated on whether he was reluctant because his health insurance care plan wasn't as good as hers.
At a televised campaign stop, someone asked him how he felt about the ad campaign. Obama, grave-faced and sympathetic in tone, opined that when Senator Clinton was 'feeling down,' she went on the attack to make herself feel better; that is, she committed an error in judgment because she was in a bad mood. That was the moment when I, and other women of a certain age, all over the country, winced.
The change candidate had embraced one of the oldest clichés in the book -- that women are held hostage by emotion, that we can't be trusted with the big decisions because, depending on our age, we're either on the rag or having a hot flash. The overtly sexist position used to be that you didn't want to entrust the red phone to a woman because women are unpredictable and irrational; a fit of hormonal pique and kaboom, we all glow in the radioactive dark. The ones who aren't instantly vaporized, that is.
The kinder, gentler version? A soft-spoken observation about what a female candidate does when she's "feeling down," the implication being that Hillary's distress over the delegate count had impaired her judgment, and that someone who loses her way like that is not strong enough to withstand the rigors of the presidency. If you think that I and the indignant gal friends I've polled are overreacting, try the acid test: Imagine any major candidate making that kind of subtle put-down about a man's psychological fortitude. In 1972, Thomas Eagleton had to have shock treatment to get us to raise a national eyebrow about his mental health, ending his brief tenure as George McGovern's running mate. Short of that, we tend to assume that the boys are steady enough to handle the job.
The interesting question is where the inspiration for the dig came from. If it was truly an off-the-cuff remark, then it's just gender-role business as usual, and the French, sadly, are right: The more things change, the more they remain the same. This might help to explain why women stick to Hillary; any woman who grew up in the transitional generation between Betty Crocker moms and Betty Friedan daughters has a special antenna for this kind of slight. We've heard it before, we know we're going to hear it again, and we'd just as soon hang with a smart girl who gets it, for all her flaws. As for the more highly educated women who poll for Obama, let's see how they feel when they find out he would think better of them if they were guys.
If it wasn't a spontaneous comment -- if someone in Senator Obama's camp thinks it's wise to use code to address and exploit our primitive fears about whether women can cope -- then whoever came up with it ought to be ashamed of himself, and the man who uttered it needs to rethink the strength of his opponent and her supporters. Beat her on better ideas, or oratory, beat her with passion and energy, but beat her fair and square, if you can. Don't talk about change and then quote from a 1950s playbook on the battle between the sexes.
People in Texas need to start early voting tomorrow to end the Clinton campaign!
Jeez! How much time does MSNBC need to take off? We get little news from you guys over the weekends,and  nearly none on holidays. Some people I know are even turning on Fox News to try and get info. They are usually disappointed, but that isn't the point. If you guys can't afford to pay qualified people to work while you are off, then have a bake-sale or something to raise the money. I'm afraid that I'm going to have to watch and read CNN most of the time. I don't like their guys like I like you guys, but at least there is always news. I began relying on First Read because MSNBC TV spent more air time on catching predators, showing life in prison and following the Spears family around. Now you guys are taking the rest of the day before a pivotal primary off? Find another job if this one is too hard. It's President's Day, not Thanksgiving. Work for a living.
Another day gone by and still no resolution for the Michigan and Florida voters and delegates.  Unbelievable!  The Democrats will lose the general election unless this issue is resolved soon! I can't believe I'm saying this.  C'mon DNC!
Does this count include Hillary's backdoor delegates from MI and FL? If it does, it's pathetic that she still lags behind.
this news should soothe the savage beasts of obamas.
Wild Bill's red faced finger pointing antic over the weekend that involved a black male, again show cases poor judgment, a lack of self control and the race issue. At some point, the black super delegates are going to say enuf and are going to support Obama.

In addition, Wild Bill's critique that words have no meaning, resurrects his own failings with words .. I did not have sex with that woman...it depends upon the defeinition of the word "is"... I think Wild Bill's statement is more a reflection on him than Obama.

Finally, what we see playing out in the campaign  is simply a microcosm of what it would be like if Billary ever becomes President. He would be saying all sorts of things that would bring into question: Is he speaking for himself, Billary or the Administration.

Wild Bill will not be able to stand being a marginal figure and will not only create problems for Billary, but the country.  
Obama is trying to buy superdelegates!! According to CNN, Obama has "donated over $698,000 to superdelegates in recent months. Is that the kind of "change" we should believe in?
Looks good! It will look even better tomorrow when Obama spanks the Clinton's again!
What is going on with the vote count in NY?  It was reported that Mr. Obama did not get a single vote in 80 districts where people claim to have voted for Obama.  Why isn't this a top story?
Hillary Clinton is a verified Liar.  She agreed to abide by the rules, now she's backing out and trying to steal away the will of the people.  I had to watch an elected president have his election stolen away by a republican supreme court.  I could do nothing.  I will not support the democratic party if Hillary is on the ticket.  Futhermore, will the stinch in the air, I will vote for McCain.  I will not tolerate another stolen nomination without seeking retribution.  The Republicans will win in the fall with Hillary.  She does not love this country only herself.  She knows what damage she can do and doesn't care.
RE:  Superdelegates and FL. &  MI


1. The dispositive principle, I opine, is the practice of democracy.  Democracy implies favouring the widest possible participation fairly and transparently.  Practice implies an even playing field, which, in deference to fairness, transparency and expansiveness, implies preset rules.

2. The superdelegate system was devised to act as a check on ideologically extreme candidates or inexperienced candidates.  Having thus been devised, the superdelegates were to vote their individual consciences.

3. Given 1 and 2, it seems logical and rational to interpret “vote individual consciences” to mean act judiciously.  This requires wisdom, particularly where the urge “winning is everything” is very strong.

4. Based on all that has transpired to date, I conclude that the circumstances underlying the rationale for the existence of the superdelegates are not present.  No candidate is ideologically extreme.  No candidate, in the sense implied in 2 is inexperienced, notwithstanding the dynamics of the political interplay.  One thing on which there seems to have been universal agreement all along in the Democratic Party is that all and sundry were satisfied, very satisfied, with THEIR slate of candidates.  Indeed, even when down to two candidates over 60% of each side expressed the wish for the so-called dream ticket.  Very prominent superdelegates have already acknowledged enthusiastic support for both candidates.



Given 1 to 4 above, I proffer the following three stage process for dealing with the whole matter, given that one side is unlikely to favour new caucuses and that new primaries are likely to be too expensive:

1. Award FL and MI delegates on the basis of three weighting factors ---- %age of pledged delegates, %age of total votes and %age of states (48) won.  Example: Clinton FL ---- Total of FL delegates multiplied by each of the three factors for Clinton.

2. Calculate for each candidate the following:  The candidate’s final pledged delegate count multiplied by each of the three factors for the candidates.  Let’s say that is C for Clinton and O for Obama.

3. Superdelegates who disagree that the higher of C and O should be the candidate have to give cogent reasons why not, if, when superdelegate tallies are included, the result is different from the higher of C and O.  These reasons are proffered to a gathering of the superdelegate body which votes, after listening to all those disagreeing regardless of individual leanings, to accept or reject the larger of the two concept.  A two-thirds majority is required to reject it.  If rejection is the result, then the superdelegate body takes a vote to not count superdelegate votes. This would be a simple majority vote.  If the result is to count, then the woe-betide-them supers vote individually. (Note: Quite frankly, this last sentence was written solely to answer the penultimate “what if?” question.  The ultimate “What if?” question?  What if the superdelegate action, whatever it is, is perceived to have “overridden the people”?   ------ Disaster!!

Of course, it IS still possible that all of the above may become moot, maybe as early as March 4th, say.
Hillary Clinton is a verified Liar.  She agreed to abide by the rules, now she's backing out and trying to steal away the will of the people.  I had to watch an elected president have his election stolen away by a republican supreme court.  I could do nothing.  I will not support the democratic party if Hillary is on the ticket.  Futhermore, with the stinch in the air, I will vote for McCain.  I will not tolerate another stolen nomination without seeking retribution.  The Republicans will win in the fall with Hillary.  She does not love this country only herself.  She knows what damage she can do and doesn't care.
Campaign Diaries stated that all delegates are now accounted for sicne Feb. 5, yet you claim 44 of them are still outstanding. Other website also show that all outstanding delegates are now accounted. You guys are so damn slow.
Can we get any indication on what is taking so long to finish the hard count and when we might expect them to update?
The Huffington Post
Karen Stabiner
The Change Candidate Needs to Change His Tone Towards Women
Posted February 17, 2008 | 07:07 PM (EST)
The first time Hillary Clinton ran a television ad complaining about Barack Obama's unwillingess to debate in Wisconsin, he fired back with an ad of his own about the 18 debates he's already participated in and the two more that are scheduled.
She wouldn't let it go; her subsequent ad speculated on whether he was reluctant because his health insurance care plan wasn't as good as hers.
At a televised campaign stop, someone asked him how he felt about the ad campaign. Obama, grave-faced and sympathetic in tone, opined that when Senator Clinton was 'feeling down,' she went on the attack to make herself feel better; that is, she committed an error in judgment because she was in a bad mood. That was the moment when I, and other women of a certain age, all over the country, winced.
The change candidate had embraced one of the oldest clichés in the book -- that women are held hostage by emotion, that we can't be trusted with the big decisions because, depending on our age, we're either on the rag or having a hot flash. The overtly sexist position used to be that you didn't want to entrust the red phone to a woman because women are unpredictable and irrational; a fit of hormonal pique and kaboom, we all glow in the radioactive dark. The ones who aren't instantly vaporized, that is.
The kinder, gentler version? A soft-spoken observation about what a female candidate does when she's "feeling down," the implication being that Hillary's distress over the delegate count had impaired her judgment, and that someone who loses her way like that is not strong enough to withstand the rigors of the presidency. If you think that I and the indignant gal friends I've polled are overreacting, try the acid test: Imagine any major candidate making that kind of subtle put-down about a man's psychological fortitude. In 1972, Thomas Eagleton had to have shock treatment to get us to raise a national eyebrow about his mental health, ending his brief tenure as George McGovern's running mate. Short of that, we tend to assume that the boys are steady enough to handle the job.
The interesting question is where the inspiration for the dig came from. If it was truly an off-the-cuff remark, then it's just gender-role business as usual, and the French, sadly, are right: The more things change, the more they remain the same. This might help to explain why women stick to Hillary; any woman who grew up in the transitional generation between Betty Crocker moms and Betty Friedan daughters has a special antenna for this kind of slight. We've heard it before, we know we're going to hear it again, and we'd just as soon hang with a smart girl who gets it, for all her flaws. As for the more highly educated women who poll for Obama, let's see how they feel when they find out he would think better of them if they were guys.
If it wasn't a spontaneous comment -- if someone in Senator Obama's camp thinks it's wise to use code to address and exploit our primitive fears about whether women can cope -- then whoever came up with it ought to be ashamed of himself, and the man who uttered it needs to rethink the strength of his opponent and her supporters. Beat her on better ideas, or oratory, beat her with passion and energy, but beat her fair and square, if you can. Don't talk about change and then quote from a 1950s playbook on the battle between the sexes.

You can spin it anyway you want. Not my words.  But it is clear to me!
By the way, I am a Black Man over 30 post grad, with a JD. Same as Obama.   I think I can offer a perspective. Don’t you?
Good luck in November!!!!!!
The math behind calculating the grand total delegate count aside, the weight of delegate power to elect is decidedly in heavier in favor of super delegates. Thus, in the event of a deadlock, Clinton appears to be an apparent benefactor. There is a 61 delegate spread presently including super delegate count,in favor of Obama. Remove the latter, and the spread increases to 135. Thus if Clinton can succeed in eliminating the latter spread, she should have a strong argument for nomination. What stands in her ay are  Obama's momentum, her poor showing in the past 10 races, unfriendly news media, fiscal woes, campaign crew turnover, super delegate defections, now an under dog after starting as an "inevitable candidate", few remaining electoral contests, etc, etc. All these bode little good for Hilary Clinton. Wisconsin outcome will prvoide a better view of the landscape. If Obama wins it soundly as expected, even with single digit margin, Hilary will have to blow him away in TX, OH and Pensylvania. That is like beating the Detroit Pistons by 40 piont spread in the NBA playoffs. And that is a tall order to fill.
I do 't understand how the delegate count for FL and MI haven't been taken completely off the table. FL and MI had a total of 366 delegates. Only 183 have been taken off the total number of delegates needed. Went from 2,208 to 2,025. Shouldn't that be reflected in the number of delegates needed so the true number isn't really 2,025 but rather 1,842.
Thank you for the updates --
The "feeling down" does not imply anything to do with women's period or moodiness. Obama is simply responding with annoyance that Hillary is ONLY trying to debate for nothing. She wasted money by paying her top strategist millions and spent millions more in Iowa and NH. Now, with little money left to advertise, she turns to debating. Women who think Obama is simply negative towards them are nuts. Look at his legislative records and see who has been more pro-women.
Women, stop whining about nothing. Wise up and understand that Hillary is merely trying to take advantage of others -- she cares for hself, for her personal political ambitions. One has to be wise enough to reject her nasty campaign tactics, which are lies and deceptions.
The way things are going next prez will be McCain. four more years of war, job losses and people complains, Obama has divided Democrats not intensionally but just because the fight has become so bitter. now if obama get nomination Hillary people will be dissapointed and if hillary get nominated then media and obama people will get dissapointed and in both cases Mcain gains. Obama cannot win PA, OH, FL but he can win VA and MO. If hillary get nomination she will win PA, OH but will lose VA and may be MO.
After election middle class people will be the losers.


You women think that Obama attacked Hillary because he said she felt down But he also said that Bill was feeling down so are you woman saying that Bill Clinton was on his period too? Stop trying to find a reason to make Obama the villian. LOOK a little closer at Hillary's past you may be very surprised.
Is hillaryClinton.com  of course not any longer hillaryrodhamclinton.com, no never we need the Clinton votes! Well anyway... ...is hillaryclinton.com the same as sameoldsameold.com.  Same old ya know!  Clinton the troubled fightin' boring mouth opened past. you know where I am coming from?
AUSTIN – Yesterday, the Mexican American Democrats endorsed Senator Barack Obama in his campaign for president, citing his longstanding relationship with Hispanic community and commitment to improving the lives of Hispanic men, women and children in Texas and across America.    
The Mexican American Democrats believe that Senator Obama’s experience bringing Americans of all ages, religions, races and ethnicities together make him the best candidate to make progress on the issues that matter to Hispanics in Texas and across America.  Obama’s leadership in the U.S. Senate on comprehensive immigration reform and his specific plans to strengthen our schools, bring about universal healthcare, and provide tax relief for working families show us that he is truly committed to improving the lives of Hispanics and all Americans.  

The committee continued their endorsement:

In the face of a tight primary race in Texas, the Hispanic community’s participation at the polls will be crucial in deciding who will be the nominees of the Democratic Party. The mission of the Mexican American Democrats is to unify and empower the Mexican American-Latino community by increasing voting numbers to achieve political influence on issues that affect the Hispanic Community, as well as promote Hispanics as political candidates and appointees.

On Saturday February 16, the Mexican American Democrats’ endorsement committee met in Dallas to screen Democratic candidates running for office. Candidate response and participation was overwhelming. The committee heard from candidates on issues of importance to Mexican American Democrats in writing, as well as in person via conference call.

“The Mexican American community needs more that just Spanish speaking candidates trying to get the Hispanic vote. We need candidates who are committed to improve the lives of Latino men, women and children whether citizens, legal residents or undocumented by writing polices that work for us,” said John Lopez chairman of the endorsing committee.  The Mexican American Democrats challenged the candidates to outline their position on issues like immigration, access to justice, education and many other topics of pressing concern.

At the Presidential level, the Mexican American Democrats hereby announce their overwhelming support for Senator Barack Obama.  Senator Obama stated “My commitment to a humane and sensible immigration system is unparalleled…we want to bring the undocumented out of hiding and put them on a path of earned citizenship.” This position and his commitment to issues that matter to the Hispanic community won Senator Obama the endorsement of the Mexican American Democrats in Texas.

read more at---
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/txhome

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/latinoshome/
The Huffington Post article is just another examply of whiny feminists claiming sexism when it doesn't exist.  She is "feeling down" because she lost 8 straight primaries/caucuses.  No one ever implied it had anything to do with her age or sex.  A man would probably feel a bit down if he were in her situation too.
That is without our vote, voice in Florida and Michigan.

The voters of FL and MI had no say in when they're primary date was set. It's not like it was a pubic intiative that the people voted on.

I'm amazed that people, particularly Obama supporters who complained so much about "disenfranchising voterz" in Nevada would insist on 1.7 million voters in FL and 600 thousand in Michigan being disenfranchised just so they could have their way.

Rhode Island AG LYNCH ENDORSES BARACK OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT

As a Democrat, I have never felt the gratitude I feel in this campaign as I watch two extraordinarily smart, substantive, and progressive candidates pouring themselves into the contest for our party's nomination. Their battle of ideas has been as inspiring as it has been spirited, and their caliber —— as people, policy makers, and potential Presidents —— makes choosing between them very difficult. And yet I feel that I would be missing the moment —— missing a moment that might never be reclaimed —— if I do not make my vote count the most that it can count and declare my support for Senator Barack Obama. In Senator Obama, I believe we have an innate leader with gifts the likes of which I have never seen before, who will be a transcendent nominee, who will become a President who transforms our nation into the idea and the country that it is, that we are, capable of becoming. I feel truly privileged today to endorse Barack Obama for President and urge Rhode Island Democrats to vote for him in our upcoming primary.

http://www.rifuture.org/showDiary.do?diaryId=1520
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PROVIDENCE, RI – The Obama campaign today announced that Cumberland Mayor Daniel McKee endorsed Barack Obama for President.  McKee, citing Obama’s unique ability to inspire Americans to be involved in our country’s political process, believes that Obama is the only candidate who can lead this country in a new direction.
“Here in Rhode Island, we know this election isn’t about retuning to the past, it’s about moving our country towards the future,” said Mayor McKee.  “When Barack Obama is president, he will restore our common sense of purpose and continue to encourage the American people to get involved in our democracy.”  

“We are grateful to Mayor McKee for joining our campaign and know his support will be crucial as we build a successful grassroots movement for change in Cumberland and across Rhode Island in the coming weeks,” said Rhode Island State Director Mike Dorsey.

Senator Obama needs to be called on by the press regarding his view of women.  I am an older white woman who divoriced with four children between the ages of 18 months and 6 years.  I completed a BS and a MSN and worked full time.  My children turned out okay and I did this while having the faults of a period and being susceptible to emotional outbursts!!!!  I don't think most males would have been able to do it. I now know clearly why I am not an Obama supporter. GO HILLARY!!!!

Thank you for the updates.  

It is good for any and all of us to take some time off from this highly addictive blog!

These numbers are not so important, however, as the imponderable "momentum."

Like some of the bean counters who always seem to get it wrong (and never learn), some of us do indeed know the cost, but not the value.

We know the numbers and miss the game.

It is not so much about who is presently first (check out the last lap of yesterday's Daytona 500), but how fast the competition is moving.

Predict that, and you have something.

Native Americans used to say, "taste the wind before the hunt."
This is what I don't understand, and maybe it would be better to comment on the author of that articles page but, I thought I would respond here: Why does saying that when Hillary feels bad she goes on the attack constitute a sexist remark? As far as I can see he did not say Hillary feels bad and when women feel bad they go on attack. He made no connection between Hillary being a woman and her feelings. What I think is sad is that in this day and age we all associate feelings with being female. We don't know that his next response wouldn't have been, I know when I feel down I tend to get defensive as well. The fact that you've all assumed he meant a jab at women is what saddens me, and yes I am a woman.
Finally If Hillary is allowed to cry at will, to to bring up her being a woman at every possible juncture and to appeal to women as a wife and mother than she should expect some negative consequences too. She brought up the race issue and maybe now it's time for her to face the music and see that you do not get all the benefits of your station and none of the detractions. I'm sorry this comment offended women but isn't it time for us to get a little thick skinned and not see everything as an attack on our precious first female candidate. Let's be real voters and not pick gender as our primary issue at the polls.
Mazzoli for Obama --

In the 1960s, Helen and I were inspired to enter public service because of President John F. Kennedy's youth, vigor, optimism and rhetorical eloquence.

If we were in our 20s once again, we would be similarly inspired by Sen. Barack Obama. His own idealism, energy, imagination and soaring oratory will revitalize the presidency and give to this generation the same chance to change the nation and the world that President Kennedy gave to our generation.

For those of us who wish our national leaders to be oriented toward the future and not the past, for those of us who deplore the cynicism, stratagems and expediency of today's politics, and for those of us who wish to be part of an effort whose goal is to inspire and unite people and not divide and destroy them, Sen. Barack Obama offers us this chance.

ROMANO L. MAZZOLI
Louisville, KY

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080218/OPINION02/802180338/1018/OPINION
All of you Obama supporters that have drank the kool aid. Check out obamatruth.org. You might get the real truth instead of what MSNBC spoon feeds you.
Thank you so much for the update.

Would all of you bashing candidates kindly calm down? The author of this article was doing us a service by satisfying our hunger for numbers.

And to those of you bashing candidates from your own party: get a grip. If you want your side (whichever side that may be) to have a GHOST of a chance come November, you need to mature beyond these petty games.

To anyone reading this: please stay above the banter and vote for whoever you believe in from the bottom of your heart come November.

Thank you once again for the updated numbers.

Hillary Clinton.We Love You Hillary, you're
the best
Campaign card: Women's period! Wow, you guys can find anything to dwell on as your excuses. First there was the race card injected by Bill, then Hillary tried to play politics of tears (though many people her first crying in NH may be genuine) there is the gender card, now the period card. All injected by Billary and her supporters. There are other issues injected into the nominating season to try to persuade voters which candidate is the nastiest.
When you have difficulty winning the nomination, your best efforts may be to resort to lies and deceptions. No Obama does not want to debate to make up for Hillary's wasted resources? Funny! For me this nomination season seems to be children's after school play... Let me clarify the issues that should matter:
1. No, neither Obama nor Hillary's health care plan covers everyone. Even if Hillary mandates coverage, she might find it difficulty to achieve this. Instead of fully admitting that his plan won't cover everyone, Obama is saying that his plan is available to everyone who wants it when he said it will cover everyone, which is not what he seems to mean. Obama has also noted that 95% of his plan is similar to Hillary's, yet Hillary cannot stop lying and saying her plan is the only one providing full coverage and is much different from Obama's. With that said, both candidates' plans will not cover everyone but attempt to make coverage available to as many people as possible, and Obama knows it is better not to say that he will only cover some Americans in the face of Hillary's attack. It is just not yet possible to cover everyone for technical reasons, so Obama is trying to make coverage available to "everyone" but lets people choose to have coverage, whereas Hillary is thinking of mandating coverage agaisnt the will of voters.
2. Regarding the debate, there have already been 18 with 2 more to come, one 2 days after tomorrow's votes. Hillary's strategy is to try to paint Obama as "chicken" who is unwilling to debate because she has the advantage of long years in politics and law. The truth is, Obama is unwilling to accept debates set up by Hillary's campaign, knowing that she is attempting to make up for her mismanaged campaign finances and the fact that h leads her in delegate count.



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