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Obama camp cries foul

Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:20 AM by Mark Murray

From NBC's Mark Murray
The Obama campaign is jumping all over today's article by the Politico's Roger Simon, who writes that Team Clinton is considering targeting the pledged delegates Obama has won. Says Obama manager David Plouffe in statement: “As it becomes increasingly clear that Senator Clinton may not be able to secure the nomination by winning the support of actual voters, the Clinton campaign has once again floated a strategy that would essentially say that the preference of Democratic voters is a mere obstacle to their win-at-all-costs strategy."

He continues, “Voters are already rejecting the Clinton campaign’s say-or-do-anything-to-win tactics, and this is the latest example that it’s time to turn the page on this type of politics that could severely harm our party’s chances to win the general election."

Of course, as Simon wrote, pledged delegates aren't required to cast their vote at the convention for the candidate who won them. But here -- as with the debate over superdelegates and over Florida and Michigan -- the Obama campaign is trying to claim the PR high ground. 

*** UPDATE *** NBC’s Domenico Montanaro adds, The Obama campaign held a conference call to continue to pound the issue raised in the Politico article, that the Clinton campaign may decide to go after and try to sway pledged delegates, who are technically not bound to a candidate (the DNC, in fact, refers to "pledged" delegates as a "myth.") Obama Campaign Manager David Plouffe and surrogate David Wilhelm, who headed Bill Clinton’s 1992 campaign, had some choice words for the other side. They called this a “disturbing pattern” and “grasping at straws;” that this is another example of a “say-or-do-anything-to-win tactic;” that the Clinton campaign is hoping this is a “rabbit they can pull out of the hat to win;” that the latest tactic “suggests there’s trickery that can be engaged in” to win. They said they “think that will be rejected” by voters and party leaders.

Plouffe acknowledged that, “Technically, it is true that delegates could switch. Our point here is this is part of a pattern. Rather than try to focus on pledged delegates and winning, they’re focused on these alternative routes,” which “could cause huge dissention in the party.”

They added that, “Sometimes nominations are not worth having….One of those times would be at the cost of ripping the party apart.”

They also combated the Clinton electability argument to superdelegates that she’s best to beat McCain. They cited leads in polls against McCain and that because Clinton "denigrates Red states,” candidates down ballot “would be in real harm.”

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Sounds like Cuba instead of America. Why to go undemocrats!!!
Man, the Clintons really are all about themselves and "win at all costs" aren't they.

Jeez.
If the Clinton camp steals my vote, I will never trust politics again!
Team Obama is ALWAYS CRYING!
The delegates have many days, weeks and months to ponder, get a grip cry babies, the fix not quite in yet. They can change to whomever, whenever!
Invest in Scottie tissues!
Why is anyone surprised?  Senator Clinton cares about one thing, and one thing only:  winning.  EVERYTHING else is just a roadblock, including the truth and normal propriety.
Hillary's only path to the nomination is to divide the Party, thus losing the General.

Obama's only path to the nomination is by uniting the Party, thus having a better chance to win the General.
First Read, perhaps you can clarify--that is what you guys supposedly do isn't it?  The media had given me the impression that pledged delegates are, well, pledged (for the first two rounds anyway).  Super delegates are, well, super ...  My life as a Democrat is becoming shorter and shorter lived with each news cycle.


" ...PR high ground."
--What the heck, F-R?  Maybe the PR honest, follow-the-rules gound.  Maybe Obama does actually practice the poltics of hope.
Why are you skipping Michelle Obama's "first time i"ve been proud of America" because her husband is in the lead speech?

She's an embarrassment to America
Team Obama is ALWAYS CRYING!  How desperate the BO guys sound, must be desperate!
The delegates have many days, weeks and months to ponder, get a grip cry babies, the fix not quite in yet. They can change to whomever, whenever!
Invest in Scottie tissues!
The Dems are biting off their nose to spite their face on this one.  This superdelegate concept is the most ridiculous idea ever perpetrated on a democracy.

The Clinton 'bully pulpit' needs to gather up all the dignity they have left and go home.
Let's just hope Obama's camp won't try to go after Hillary's pledged delegates -- NOT.

He better watch himself on this one, as he will very likely do the same thing, if he hasn't done it already.

I hope for his sake that Obama is planning to go after only the undecided superdelegates while hoping to stretch his consistent lead in regular delegates far and wide enough to convince Hillary's supers to jump ship.

Predicting the Wisconsin primary spread: http://www.nationalscold.com
I would be completely demoralized by the democratic party if this the superdeligates are the ones to decide the nomination. For so long has the democratic party stood for the common man and the founding principals of democracy. This subversion of the popular vote would be a grave mistake on the part of the democrats. I would not vote for the democratic party for a very long time if such an act was to transpire.
This is really a desparate act and is sure to fail.  Pledged delegates are loyal to their candidate.  There is plenty of competition to be one and I seriously doubt any Obama candidate could be convinced to switch.  I guess if Hillary cannot win honestly she is going to try to cheat to get the nomination.  That would not bode well for her receiving support from the majority of Democrats.
No, pledged delegates aren't required to remain with the candidate they are pledged to.  But I wonder how many voters know that? Also, I'd be curious to know what the reasoning is behind allowing pledged delegates that flexibility?  Somehow, I doubt that it was so the will of the voters could be subverted to a system where "highest bidder" wins.  The Simon article does suggest that the Clinton campaign is going to use "incentives" to peel off these delegates.
A-duh!

Why should the Clinton Campaign worry about trying to take the Obama Campaign's pledged delegates?  After all, with the exception of Illinois, they're all from "insignificant" states!

Nice!  This would be the ultimate in "say or do anything to win" politics...cry foul and play your violin for the poor disenfranchised voters in Michigan and Florida but then truly disenfranchise the voters who went to the polls for Senator Obama...

...oh, that's right, Florida and Michigan are "significant"!

I think I just threw up in my mouth!
Obama fans, why is Obama so good at speeches but so bad at debates? Because debates require original words from his heart not just repeating what his speechwriters give him or copies what other people said.
How unfair -- she isn't going to just let Barry Obama win uncontested?   Poor Obama.  He is used to running against Alan Keyes.


What a naive little baby Obama is.
This is absolutely pathetic and disgusting.  Typical Clinton.  If this is how it is done then why even have primaries and caucuses.  Clinton should immediately stop campaigning because apparently she doesn't believe she should try to win the delegates through voting.  She claims that voters are being disenfranchised in FL and MI but now she will actively seek to disenfranchise voters in the 22 states that Obama has won.  She can't win fairly so she has to cheat.  Clinton, Belichick, Kelvin Sampson, they are all cheaters.  This is why I hate Hillary Clinton and will not only vote for McCain but campaign for him if that thing Clinton wins the nomination!
somehow I don't think the typical dem way of crying foul or having a group grope is going to faze john mccain...you dems are soooooooooo lame
This is absolutely pathetic and disgusting.  Typical Clinton.  If this is how it is done then why even have primaries and caucuses.  Clinton should immediately stop campaigning because apparently she doesn't believe she should try to win the delegates through voting.  She claims that voters are being disenfranchised in FL and MI but now she will actively seek to disenfranchise voters in the 22 states that Obama has won.  She can't win fairly so she has to cheat.  Clinton, Belichick, Kelvin Sampson, they are all cheaters.  This is why I hate Hillary Clinton and will not only vote for McCain but campaign for him if that thing Clinton wins the nomination!
Oh Please,
What is the difference in Obama trying to get the the delagates and Clinton trying to get delagates?
Isn't do what it takes to win the way the it is?
The Clintons are really sickening!!!

I think the title of this post is poorly chosen.  It should be CLINTON GOES AFTER OBAMA'S ELECTED DELEGATES.  This is not about the Obama campaign's reaction - this is about the fact that the Clintons are willing to go as far as blowing up the entire convention!
Yet another indication of the desperation that has taken hold in the Clinton camp.
Hillary will try to steal this nomination at all costs!

I will write in Obama if she is successful.

She will turn away millions of voters; especially new voters, from politics for a generation.
In Ohio, Hillary Clinton recently told us in the crowd "Ohio, *if* you vote for me, I will not forget you."   I was so turned off.  I've seen how she's tried to discount anyone in other states that didn't support her. So when she said that all I heared was "if you don't vote for me you won't get anything from me".

I've decided to change my vote.  I'll be voting for Barack Obama in Ohio.  If she manages to somehow steal this nomination from the people, I'll donate, campaign for, and vote for John McCain.

I may completely disagree with John McCain on many policies.  At least I know he's not a lying, divisive, power hungry cheater.
Tuck, KS
"Why are you skipping Michelle Obama's "first time i"ve been proud of America" because her husband is in the lead speech?

She's an embarrassment to America"

Heard this also and I'm hoping today she'll come out and say she didn't mean it the way it came out which is probably exactly what happened.

Embarrassment to America though?  Oh please - America has a lot to be embarrassed about - but this?  Give me a break - one only needs to look to the current White House to be embarrassed.

Democrats have a black man and a woman as contenders.  The Democrats have every reason to be damn proud!
Let's be clear - what the Clinton's are suggesting is a coup-de-tat.
actually, michelle obama said the first time in her ADULT life she was proud. I don't think she's far off the mark. She's what, 45? I would say the past 20 years in U.S. history aren't going to looked back as some of our greatest that's for sure.
Words matter according to Obama so what of his wife's words that in the first time in history she is proud of this country.  Is that anything a potential first lady should say?  Forget Bill Clinton now...could anyone imagine the noise if Hillary had said something like this in 1992?
LOL, wheres the cry's from Obamanites about BO outspending HRC 3-1 with Super Delegates.  Oh wait, if Obama does something it's ok or "NO BIG DEAL".  I fogot, continue of you sermons...
Why seriously Consider a couple for leaders who are willing to divide a party like this so they can have power?

The longer this race goes on the uglier the Clinton tactics get. Do they not realise there will be protests in the streets against them if they do this? They will never win the Presidency if they get the nomination by hook and by crook.

People remember what happend to Al Gore - I don't think they will just sit back and let it happen a 2nd time.

Clinton supporters need to ask themselves is this the type of people you really want leading the country?
Clinton stealing delegates from Obama is the biggest thumb in the eye of America I have ever seen. She only cares about winning, not about the American people. She really feels so proud that 8 states love her...well, you know what I think about 8 states? Whoop-dee-do. She....is....completely....awful. Oh...and if she does steal those delegates, let the riots begin because Americans (regardless of race) would have every reason to be mad.
I don't know how even the most strident Hillary supporter could support this.  I have to believe that Hillary's campaign has completely lost all sight of the big picture at this point.  
Change the delegate counting rules mid-election, have superdelegates overturn the will of the public, and now steal delegates which represent the will of the people...
Don't you see who should win this election and who shouldn't????
EVERYBODY complains that Washington is screwed up.  The Republican President has a 30% approval rating, the Democratic Congress has a 20% approval rating...if you really want change, don't just complain about it, VOTE for it!!! Stop sending the same people to Washington and then complaining about it until the next election.  
I see no one is expecting a meaningful change in Cuba's regime today.  Why?  Because Castro's brother is taking over for Castro.  Why does anyone think that sending a 2nd Clinton to replace the 2nd Bush is going to be any different?  Look in the mirror America,  show the world that THIS IS NOT CUBA!!!!!
Seems like there is always a way in this "democratic process" for the people to get screwed out of their choice.  

We need reform all around...the system is stacked against us, no matter who we want to vote for someone is always around the corner waiting to steal our voice.
Obama's people did this to fire a warning shot and get media attention to scare off the Clinton campaign from doing this, I think. Will that stop them, no...I think the party should lean on the Clintons. It's nice to have a determined winner after all the votes are counted but this seems to be having a corrossive effect on the Democratic party. If Clinton wins by backroom deals(she'll never lead in pledged delegates, that's been established) I really believe she cannot win the general now..they have simply went too far this time. Democrats need to break from their traditional sideline stances (lets be honest..everyone was prepared to usher in Clinton) and along with the voters..begin to stand behind one candidate. McCain is already beginning to attack Obama and the media is starting to vet him. It's getting risky for an election that was to be a certain win for Democrats. The most realistic chance for Clinton is to win 50% the rest of the way and she will still be behind. After March 4th it's over.
The Clinton's are no better than the Bush's.  As far as I'm concern, if Hillary gets the nomination it's exactly like Bush having a third term.  
Disgusting Clintonian politics yet again. This is their attempt to steal the votes away from people who didn't vote for them. The Clintons would turn this into the Undemocratic party just to have a shot at the White House again. If this is how they want to win the nomination, they won't have my vote this November.
It is sad.  If Hillary can not win the nomination by getting the most votes, she appearently will do anything.

At some point there has to be some morality and ethical standard.

Hillary seems to be an ethical void.
Clintons = Cheating
Michelle Obama is only "just now" proud of America?? What a pathetic comment.
She also used somebody elses speech when she said, " Folks said people wouldn't vote for a man with a funny name like Barak OBama."  Those are  the exact words "another" candidate said when he was running for office, but said his own name.
Gee can't either of these Obama's speak anything without it being written down?  No wonder Obama doesn't want to debate Hillary one on one.
Be it the carpet bagger is still sobbing and crying foul?  HO HUM, Is the picture so bleak? Casting stones, no their throwing kitchen sinks! The carpet bagger and the cockroach have fallen to the way side and today shall not come as a calling. Ah, the blessing is coming closer, so don't fret.

The has been of yesterday, not the White house of tomorrow!
i guess obama is worried he can't buy all of them. they both target the superdelegates so why is obama whining yet again? it's amusing whenever hillary makes a smart move he cries foul. he thinks everything should be given to him on silver platter. he can always ask oprah to give the superdelegates a car or something...hillary is done playing nice. thank god!!you go girl!!!
It seems that you are crying to bold clintons so sorry for your cheap wordings; MSNBC (BILL GATES CLINTON)
what party is that again that has a monopoly on dirty tricks?
Obama has spent $695,000.00 dollars on super delagates, $180,000.oo dollars on elected office holders and Democratic groups in Iowa and New Hampshire now they are crying foul.
GIVE ME A BREAK!  
THE CLINTONS ARE IN THE PROCESS OF STEALING THE 2008 NOMINATION. TO DATE, OBAMA IS THE MORE LIKELY NOMINEE, WITH BILL & HILL BEING CONSIGNED TO HISTORY. THE CLINTON PLAN IS AN END-RUN AGAINST THE POPULAR VOTE. AMONG LIES, EXTRA-LEGAL PURSUITS, AND SMEARS, HILL & BILL WILL JEOPARDIZE A DEMOCRATIC VICTORY AGAINST THE FORCES OF DARKNESS IN THIS COUNTRY FIOR THE SAKE OF SELF-AGGRANDIZEMENT AND POWER, WITH MORE OF THE SAME, AN EXTENSION OF THE BUSH DYNASTY! I AM A LIFE-LONG DEMOCRATIC, VOTING FOR CLINTON IN BOTH '92 & '96.....HOWEVER, IF "THAT WOMAN" BECOMES THE NOMINEE, I WILL LEAVE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY FOREVER!
I'm an undecided voter in Texas but after reading this article and some of the comments, one thing I know is that I won't be voting for Hillary.

Hillary is openly saying that the voters don't count in this process, and the nomination should go to whomever is more powerful and has more influence. And her supporters that have commented here seem to have no problem with that and respond by calling Obama a "crybaby" or Michelle Obama and "embarrasment." Are you in Junior High? Isn't this in democracy? Don't you guys wonder about the character of a person that would be willing to do anything to win and disregard the peole's vote? Isn't this about the people after all?
The republican party knew all alone what the Clintons were about. Their true color is coming out
MSNBC likes to play the candidates against each other. Just look at the Pro Obama Coverage, then the switch to Pro Clinton coverage. Im personally for Obama, but Im entirely sick of the Media garbage that fills the airwaves. That Includes FOX, CNN, ABC and CBS and the various Infotainment shows those networks broadcast. Lets get down to the disspasionate FACTS about these candidates instead of the Matthews,O'Reilly,Blitzer blowhard trio.


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