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The candidates' positions on Cuba

Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 2:31 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC's Mark Murray
With Cuba in the news today, it's probably as good of a time as any to point out where Obama, Clinton, and McCain stand on that issue. Below is NBC's research...

OBAMA.
Wants to normalize relations -- if Cuba begins moving towards democracy
"If the Cuban leadership begins opening Cuba to meaningful democratic change, the United States must be prepared to begin taking steps to normalize relations and to ease the embargo of the last five decades. The freedom of the Cuban people is a cause that should bring the Americans together." (Statement, 2/19/08)

I would not normalize relations, but those two things, those two shifts in policy would send a signal that we can build on once Castro's out of power. (Brown and Black forum, 12/1/07)

But earlier didn’t qualify such support
Democrat Barack Obama supported the ''normalization of relations with Cuba'' when he was a U.S. Senate candidate in 2003, taking a more liberal position than he has espoused as a presidential candidate. His stance was brought to light this week when the Chicago Sun-Times published his responses to a questionnaire from a left-leaning voting rights group in Illinois. And it comes as supporters of rival Hillary Clinton contend that the Illinois senator's record would make him an easy mark for Republican attacks in a general election campaign.
In 2003, Obama wrote: ``I believe that normalization of relations with Cuba would help the oppressed and poverty-stricken Cuban people while setting the stage for a more democratic government once Castro inevitably leaves the scene.'' (Miami Herald, 12/13/07)

''Sen. Obama believes our current policy is misguided, and that normalization is in the interests of the Cuban people -- the question is how we get there,'' Psaki said in a written statement. 'In August, he laid out two significant policy changes -- unlimited family travel and remittances to the island -- to promote independence from the regime and test the government in Cuba. If the Cuban government reacts with more openness and democracy, Senator Obama was clear in August that he is `prepared to begin taking steps to normalize relations and ease the embargo.''' (Miami Herald, 12/13/07)

Calls for unrestricted travel and remittance rights
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is calling for ''unrestricted rights'' for Cuban Americans to visit and send money to family in Cuba, just days before his first pilgrimage to Little Havana as a presidential candidate.
President Bush clamped down on family travel and remittances to Cuba in an effort to squeeze Fidel Castro. The policy has become a flash point in the Cuban-American community, which traditionally leans toward the GOP.
''Cuban-American connections to family in Cuba are not only a basic right in humanitarian terms, but also our best tool for helping to foster the beginnings of grass-roots democracy on the island,'' Obama wrote in an opinion column published in today's Miami Herald. ``Accordingly, I will grant Cuban Americans unrestricted rights to visit family and send remittances to the island.'' (Miami Herald, 8/21/07)

CLINTON.
Doesn’t support normalized relations until Cuba moves towards democracy
The new leadership in Cuba will face a stark choice-continue with the failed policies of the past that have stifled democratic freedoms and stunted economic growth-or take a historic step to bring Cuba into the community of democratic nations. The people of Cuba want to seize this opportunity for real change and so must we. (Statement, 2/19/08)

Well, I think we're going to have that opportunity, because I believe that when Fidel Castro finally does pass on, there will be a tremendous pent-up desire on the part of the Cuban people for freedom and for democracy.
Certainly, if they were to make steps right now to recognize human rights, to release political prisoners, there could be perhaps some reciprocal action taken by the United States.
But until there is some recognition on the part of whoever is in charge of the Cuban government that they have to move toward democracy and freedom for the Cuban people, it will be very difficult for us to change our policy.
But I look forward, as president, to perhaps being there when that opportunity arises. You know, it's tragic that in the last seven years, we've lost ground in Latin America. We've lost it as more and more countries have moved away from democracy, authoritarian, even dictatorial rule. (Brown and Black forum, 12/1/07)

Unlike Obama, does not favor ending travel restrictions
Rival Sen. Hillary Clinton said she would continue the Bush administration's hard-line stance, for the most part. Clinton's campaign said she agrees that exiles should be able to freely send money to their relatives but said she does not favor ''any wholesale, broad changes'' to the travel restrictions until Fidel Castro falls. Clinton did vote with Obama in 2005 -- unsuccessfully -- to ease restrictions on family travel in ``humanitarian cases.''  (Miami Herald, 8/22/08)

MCCAIN.
Has maintained a hard-line position on Cuba
I think that we should make it very clear that once free elections are held, that the political prisoners are released, and human rights organizations are functioning in Cuba, that we will be willing to provide whatever aid and assistance that's necessary. I fear that anything short of that -- that any assistance that came in early of that would serve to prop up a new regime or a Raul or whoever it is that wants to take Castro's place. (Remarks, 2/19/08)

McCain called for continuing sanctions against Cuba until political prisoners are released and other democratic rights restored. He also referred to the "Cuba Program" in Vietnam during the war, in which an interrogator nicknamed Fidel beat 18 American prisoners of war.
"I did not meet him, but I have many friends who met a Cuban who came to Hanoi and tortured my friends," McCain said during an interview on Radio Mambi before he met with the brigade. "So when Cuba is free, we look forward to seeing him again. I have an additional personal interest in freedom for Cuba." (Miami Herald, 3/24/07)

In Florida’s primary, McCain won more than 50% of the Cuban vote
McCain 54%, Giuliani 32%, Romney 9%, Huckabee 4% (Florida 2008 GOP exit poll)

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It is just reported that fainting in Obama events might be staged. I just watched the Video where everyone is fainting. What the heck? I live in CA and have been to dozens and dozens of political events and I have NEVER seen anyone faint. How come there is always someone who does it at Obama's events> How queer indeed.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XwzVLP2NcqI
You guys are unbelievable!!!  Read the first line under OBAMA and then the first line under CLINTON.  Exactly the same, but worded entirely differently.  Again, you guys are unbelievable.  Talk abouta slanted journalism.  MSNBC is becoming a joke.
Obama and Clinton want to immediately surrender to Cuba. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are working on the details of the surrender at this very moment.
'...The new leadership in Cuba will face a stark choice-continue with the failed policies of the past that have stifled democratic freedoms and stunted economic growth-or take a historic step to bring Cuba into the community of democratic nations...'

That's the SAME CHOICE Democratic voters face:

'...-continue with the failed policies of the past..'

...or vote for Obama

Continue with the Bush/Clinton policies of unprovoked wars or choose realistic, responsible policies

Continue with the Bush/clinton trade policies of NAFTA, WTO and the WalMart model....
or look out for the interests of workers, consumrers and the enviroment ?

Support a candidate who's taking massive contributions from Isnurance companies, Pharmaceutical corporations and 'Defense' corporations ....
or attend to America's interests ?

Choose wisely, Democrats
Don't 'continue with the failed policies of the past'
Obama wants to talk to the new leader. Get to know him, and see if he can get ahold of some good stuff.
Don, Dayton, OH (Sent Tuesday, February 19, 2008 2:51 PM)


That is crazy how they say the same thing but Obama is slanted to be more negative, good pointing that out!!
Yeah, McCian wouldn't want to "prop up a new regime or a Raul or whoever it is that wants to take Castro's place"

In other news McCain also said that:  He doesn't like to prop up Latin governments, only Middle Eastern ones.  Furthermore, the USA has enough of that 'proping up' thing on our hands with Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan & Israel.

In addition to all of that, it's become difficult for McCain to prop himself up at this point.  

What's the line on McCains life according to the death pool again?  He looks like he's one creepy smile away.
Why would we NOT want to normalize relations once Cuba begins to move towards democracy?  The question is, how will Cuba begin moving towards democracy?  Is it just going to magically happen?  Or is the US going to have to take steps to make democracy look like a pretty good thing?

I think it's the latter, we have to help it along somehow, the waiting game is old politics.  Obama's position makes sense.  Let people travel back and forth... see the differences, talk about the differences, and get the people interested...
Dong, this is not about fainting...reading is fundamental!  
People are standing for hours to get to see him, I was in a crowd where a little girl became faint as well.  
Let's not play with people's health on here.  
We are talking about Cuba.  Go find the post for fainting, which means you won't, because it is meaningless.
The fact that a person in politics changes his/her mind about international affairs could be seen from the point of view of ignorance as something wrong when indeed it is normal and even wise to have the ability to change ones mind, since international politics is tricky because it is based on the country's cultural make-up and the idiosincracies of the place, "what is good for the goose may not be good for the ghunder". It is good that Obama is wise to know the cultural differences. When Castro was well our approach to Cuba was different then when he was ill, now that he is retire should be different as well, but not definite since he is not death yet and his brother and top officials want to keep the status-quo as to not to cause a rebelion and uproar with the masses.
As far as people fainting at Obama's rallys, this person should read about the effects that excess emotional uplift produces. People get so high on natural dopamine in their body that gives them the effect of drunkenness resulting in faiting or passing out. Read about the hormonal changes in our body that produces different kinds of effect and please educate yourself.
"I did not meet him, but I have many friends who met a Cuban who came to Hanoi and tortured my friends," McCain said during an interview on Radio Mambi before he met with the brigade. "So when Cuba is free, we look forward to seeing him again.

John, if you and your hard line friends had normalized relations with Cuba years ago you could have had him charged, extradited and seen him go on trial.  That is the advantage of working with other governments instead of bombing them.
To Dan from Dayton:  At least MSNBC provides Howie Kurtz with sufficent material for his show on CNN Sunday mornings. It would be nice to see the only fair person there...Dan Abrams...move over to CNN. And if CNN were spart they would nab him up now.
BREAKING NEWS. HALT THE PRESSES. RAUL CASTRO TO BE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT ACCORDING TO RELIABLE SOURCES.

"Obama and Clinton want to immediately surrender to Cuba. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are working on the details of the surrender at this very moment."
Issac Washington
Dong, La,Ca

I was recently at an Obama rally in which 3 women within ten feet of me fainted.  I work in the medical field and yes they actually fainted.  there were 18,000 people standing for up to 3 hours and they did not allow anyone for security reasons to bring in their own water.  It has nothing to do with Obamania but just the body responding to a mass of people, not enough air circulation, physical conditioning and lack of water.  
First Hillary was talking about Obama being full of words, not she's talking about him using words that aren't his own.  Well everyone one uses quotes in speeches, and a speech would sound pretty ridiculous if you had to credit everyone with everything you quote.  I rather hear someone speak with the knowledge of what other people say.  Than of course
a loud, desperate, animated person like Hillary.
Hey,  Go ahead and quote me here (remember only say this with my permission).  "Hillary, go home"!
Why are Michelle Obama's comments on being first proud of her husband now that he is in the lead not getting ANY COVERAGE?

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/02/18/michelle-obama-hasnt-been-proud-of-america-in-at-least-26-years/
Obama is weak on national security
Dong, La,Ca

I was recently at an Obama rally in which 3 women within ten feet of me fainted.  I work in the medical field and yes they actually fainted.  there were 18,000 people standing for up to 3 hours and they did not allow anyone for security reasons to bring in their own water.  It has nothing to do with Obamania but just the body responding to a mass of people, not enough air circulation, physical conditioning and lack of water.  
Great thread First Read, I thoroughly enjoyed it.  Maybe it will cut down somewhat on the bickering, of which I thoroughly enjoy parttaking.


It laid out what each of the candidates think instead of the general campaign spin.  It was both educational and informational.

According to those close to me, who have traveled to Cuba, many of the Cubanos look forward to ending the embargo.  The Cuban people are not anti-United States.
I agree I think they should rename "Hardball" to "Obamaball" will Chris(I love Obama)Mathews
Obama does not have conflicting statements he originally said he doesn't want to normalize until Castro was out of the picture. Today he said he deos want to normalize. The difference-CASTRO is now out of the picture!!!!!
So has mccain gone after the Vietnamese, chinese and russian operatives who were complicite in the torture of Americans in Vietnam? Probably not, since we now have "normalized" relations with them. Does mccain think he is the only one who suffered from Vietnam? He seems to have some kind of axe to grind with the whole world-and he wants everyone to pay! As a former Marine combat disabled veteran, my only "axe to grind" is to keep ignorant politicians out of office who seem to want nothing more than to perpetuate the failed policies of the past!
You go Shiela... excellent first point and one that needs to be made more often.  A politician that will not change his mind when the circumstances change... or when new information is presented, is very dangerous indeed.  God save us from another like the present WH occupant.  

Of course there is a vast difference between changing your mind because of changed circustances... and changing it to obtain a political advantage.  Even here in the hinterlands we can tell the difference between a Mitt and a Barack.    
good point Don,Dayton, Ohio - Russell
To: Rick,ky (Sent Tuesday, February 19, 2008 3:44 PM)
and all the Obama network folks.

Keep in mind, that you CAN NOT and you WILL NOT win the Whitehouse with a divided party.  And the way you people speak, you sound like the other 1/2 of the Dem's that support Hillary do not matter.  Well guess again, we ALL matter.  

Go luck in November without the SUPPORT AND BLESSING of Hillary Clinton and her supports!  You will come in second!  JUST WORD'S!  JUST WORD'S
To: Rick,ky (Sent Tuesday, February 19, 2008 3:44 PM)
and all the Obama network folks.

Keep in mind, that you CAN NOT and you WILL NOT win the Whitehouse with a divided party.  And the way you people speak, you sound like the other 1/2 of the Dem's that support Hillary do not matter.  Well guess again, we ALL matter.  

Go luck in November without the SUPPORT AND BLESSING of Hillary Clinton and her supports!  You will come in second!  JUST WORD'S!  JUST WORD'S
To: Rick,ky (Sent Tuesday, February 19, 2008 3:44 PM)
and all the Obama network folks.

Keep in mind, that you CAN NOT and you WILL NOT win the Whitehouse with a divided party.  And the way you people speak, you sound like the other 1/2 of the Dem's that support Hillary do not matter.  Well guess again, we ALL matter.  

Go luck in November without the SUPPORT AND BLESSING of Hillary Clinton and her supports!  You will come in second!  JUST WORD'S!  JUST WORD'S
Cuba? The USA's entire policy toward Cuba is based on money and power. Barack and Hillary and McCain: they are all a bunch of windbags when it comes to Cuba. They are being cautious so as not to lose some possible cash and votes from the Cubans in Florida. The old cubans in florida promise their cash and votes only if you vote against Cuba. These old goats control the USA policy in a big part. It has nothing to do with American Values or freedom. We buy and sell our souls to China and the Arabs. Why? Oil, cheap goods, big markets - MONEY. Americans (and the government) talk values, deal in Money and power. Cuba is small and poor and much easier to bully. We only bully when we are capable. Do you see us bullying China? Duh! We are on our knees to china! So much for American values.
McCain is right about not normalizing relations with Cuba until it democratizes and releases political prisoners.  "Remember the prisoners as if in bonds with them" of Hebrews 13:3 reminds me of my offering my own lunch to a super skinny Iraqi private in Desert Storm that was starved into a walking skeleton by his own Army!  I like McCain's position the best.
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN VIETNAM, CHINA, AND RUSSIA, TO NAME A FEW, AND CUBA? IS IT BECAUSE THEY ARE SMALL AND POOR? IS IT BECAUSE IT IS POLITICALY ADVANTAGEOUS. IS IT JUST GOOD OLD MUSCLE FLEXING. I JUST DON'T GET IT. WITH OUR HISTORY WITH CHINA, VIET NAM, AND RUSSIA(IT FREE AND DEMOCRATIC NOW...YEAH RIGHT) WE ARE FREE TO TRVEL THERE. WE HAVE DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS. WE CONDUCT BUSINESS. YET WE CONTINUE TO HOLD UP THIS LITTLE ISLAND NATION AS THE GREAT THREAT TO DEMOCRACY AND THE WORLD. FOR GOD'S SAKE WE TREAT NORTH KOREA BETTER THAN WE DO CUBA. IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON. GET OVER IT AND TREAT THEM THE SAME WAY WE TREAT OTHER COMMUNIST COUNTRIES AND PAST FOES. OH I FORGOT...THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING WE WANT OR NEED.
This article falsely tries to make it seem Obama's position has changed on Cuba.  He always said that normalizing relations was contingent upon steps that Cuba need to make, which is the same thing he said to today.  Overall, what I am hearing is that he'd be a bit more proactive than Clinton and that McCain will be as hard as possible.  Once again I agree with Obama.  The embargo on Cuba, hurts the Cuban people, the opportunity to spread democracy, and American business and citizens.  This embargo is a relic of the cold war that should be abandoned.  Afterall, this country has no problems doing business with China, Putin in Russia, and many unscrupulous dictators in the Middle East.  Why should we punish Cuba more than others?

As for fainting comment.  I wasn't aware it was so prevalent but it doesn't surprise me.  When I saw Obama I had to stand for about 4 1/2 hours straight, first outside in the freezing cold and then in a stuffy hot gymnasium.  I didn't faint, but I can definitely see how it would happen.
Jamie, Obama called for the release of the prisoners as the first step Cuba needs to take today. MSNBC just didn't spin this article that way, by including that part of his comment about Fidel stepping down.
Does Hillary even know where cuba is? [OH PLEASE! GOD SAVE THE QUEEN AND PRINCE WILLIAM TOO]
jamie, I second your comments.  And heres another thought.  Durring my time in the US Army, I have several Cuban-American pals.  Hearing the stories they told of Raul Castro and his torture chambers would remind a person of the worst the Nazis did during WWII.  And Barak wants to normalize relations with this guy?  Just shows how much he keeps up whats happening in the world.
Why must we Americans hate the candidate we are not for?  I'm all for Clinton, but am hoping for a Clinton/Obama ticket.  Give him 8 years as VP and he would be ready to lead the free world.  
They were drinking Kool Aid, that is why they fainted.
Obama is a threat to all people who live in oppresed counties everywhere.

No experience = a jerk.
Vote Hilliary 08
Maybe all those Cuban's will go back to Cuba once the political climate is more to their liking and then the USA can stop being held hostage by them.  Next we will have to stop being held hostage by Israel.  one lady told me she had to support Israel cause her mother aways said we had to protect Israel, my question was well you are not a young woman and for sure your mother isn't so what did she support before there was an Israel?  No one can seem to answer that question, I sure am tired of being held political and financial hostage by both Cuba and Israel.
I would love to visit Cuba - unspoiled beaches, before we dirty folks in the USA go and mess it up like we always do.

All three candidates acknowledge that Cuba must move toward democracy, recognize human rights,release
political prisoners and the old regime of Castro out of the picture, then movement can occur. The differences are minimal on the Dem. side. I think Sen. McCain feels the same,but is more
'high noon' which he needs to soften. "Cowboy democracy' will be thrown around a lot by the Dems. and will link him to what some dislike about GWB's
approach: inflexible and 'dead or alive' foreign policy. I think of the doctrine of holding your friends close, but your enemies closer. Obama seems to see this. It does not mean sucking up,ending reasonable sanctions-it means keeping the dialog going, keeping tabs. There was no greater enemy than
the USSR in the Cold War, and wasn't there that red phone right near President Kennedy, et al.? There are
always the back channels we don't know about too.

Side issue: Michael Moore was so intent on bashing
   another aspect of America and our democracy-the healthcare process (albeit a worthy target)-he was
content with filming and going on about the quality of Cuban healthcare while human rights violations and tyranny still prevailed all around him in Cuba. I might actually listen if he'd make a documentary on THAT!
Thank God this Democratic Primary is almost over.I am so sick & tired of the whining and lies form the Clintons, and worse from the Clinton bloggers.Stop & read the news ... people do NOT like her, do not respect her, and realize that she does NOT have the experience she touts. Bye, bye.


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