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'Change you can xerox'

Posted: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:01 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC's Domenico Montanaro
After Obama gave a pretty good answer on Words-gate, dismissing it as being given a line by one of his national campaign co-chairs, Clinton came back and said, words should be your own and then said that is not "change you can believe in" (Obama's slogan), that's "change you can xerox." That is a new one, but will that work? She's also now gone after him on health care again. Will that work?

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No.  How can it work? Her last attempt at a healthcare plan failed.  
Going by the crowds reaction, that attack fell flat! There were even some boos! It is beginning to heat up. But the heat is one sided us Obama insists on being presidential.
wow...clearly not.  did you hear that groan of disapproval from the crowd?  thank god they're above those petty "clintonisms".
Every dig just reinforces Obama. It's top-down politics. It's the politics of yesterday. It's over.
I think she tagged him a bit there but could have continued further with pointing out that his words are copied and it seems that his policies are too.
I think it cost her, it was such a Republican-like attack.  I also thought him finally acting offended helped him, having unpleasant memories of Dukakis...  
I thought I heard an undercurrent rumble of "boos" to the "xerox" comment. I admit I was startled by the comment, and felt it was hateful. Not a fair way of debating.
she is a liar and is spinning on issues once again but this time on national television and in front of a crowd.  she just said that he was and i quote "..taking passages of work".  Passages?  isnt that a stretch?
not working for me. GIVE UP hillary! its a lost cause. its a shame she didnt run in 2004..that would have been a better time for her. though, was her record THAT much better than it is now? What did she accomplish as a senator again? its Obama that truly connects with the people of this country.
She pretty much has to do anything she can to chip-away at this lead.  I challenge you...

Next time Hillary is speaking (television), do me a favor.  Just close your eyes, and listen with our ears.  Doesn't she sound just like the same ole' Washington politics? She sounded that way again tonight.
I'm not a Clinton supporter but would you expect a pro Obama crowd to cheer for that line lmao.  Your all just like other liberals: ignore the facts you do not like to make your points.
Barack should Cancel the debate for Cleveland. It's Obvious, he stands Head & shoulder's above her.Political point's is the Only thing possible to come from for Hillary & even that's Not Happening. He's More Presidential from debate to debate!!!!

Hillary should've Never  asked for another debate as he just makes her look like The Silly Season!!!!!!!
WELL,,HE IS XEROX,,,,,,SPEECHES AND POLICIES TOO,,,,
do you think she wrote that line, or did someone on her staff give it to her?
Ditto, no, it won't work. Many of us simply can't listen to the Clinton attitude anymore. We're hearing "I" "I" "I" from Sen. Clinton, folks see through that.
I BET YOU ,,THEY GOT 18 YR OLD SCHOOL BOYS AND GIRLS THERE,,U KNOW THAT YOUTUBE CROWD ,WHO REALLY GOES FOR FEEL GOOD FEELING SPEECHES THAN WHAT,S GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY,
Who xeroxs anything anymore? Even her attacks are out of touch?
Yes; Clinton's stategy can work, and assuming voters are rational (which is a big asumption on the left) it should work. Clinton is right and there is nothing more to it. Obama may portray himself as representing change, but she has stood for it and fought for it for decades now. Obama cannot say the same.
What a hypocrite... Hillary has borrowed lines of her own.  I hope that people can see through her half-truths and spin.
hahaha Great Job Clinton this will be all over the net tomorrwo... let this be the beginning of his TEAR DOWN
Yeah, J, and the conservatives (i.e. reactionaries) just make up their own facts and their own parallel universe and then try to force us to live in it.
james from chicago....well said.  wraps up her whole campaign in a few words, no?  
As for healthcare, NOBODY wants their wages garnished.  There still needs to be some human choice, for good or bad.  The bad will be dealt with I am sure.  Obama is such a cool cucumber!  So awesome!
Hey J.
Another conservative Repub. with your bags packed ready to head to Canada in November? All you cons. can do is regurgitate what that idiot Limbaugh yells at you. Bush made a lot of points for you ditto heads and look where that got you.  
HELLO,YOUNG ADULTS,,,18 YR OLDS,,,,COME OUT OF YOUTUBE AND READ THE REAL ISSUES,,,,,,,,AND I KNOW ,,,ISSUES WILL LEAD YOU TO VOTE FOR HILLARYYYYYY
A LOT OF PEOPLE XEROX,,,OLDER FOLKS,,,,,DON,T FORGET WE HAVE OLDER AMERICANS IN THIS COUNTRY TOO,,,WITH CHANGE THEME OF OBAMA,,,DON,T THROW THE OLD FOLKS OUT,
WELL,,,WE ARE ALL AMERICAN,,,,,,,,SOME HAVE MONEY ,,AND SOME DON,T ,,,,,SO WE ALL NEED TO SACRIFICE FOR OUR OTHER AMERICANS WHO CAN,T AFFORD HEALTH INSURANCE,,,,,SO I M FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE,,,,,,
On Healthcare -- OK, I have it from my employer. But if I didn't, I would take some exception with any "Universal" plan that mandated me to BUY it (irrespective of my capability to AFFORD it). Substantively, I am definitely with Obama on this one.
I was actually really in to what she was saying about the issues until that moment.  Now, I see her for the mean-spirited politician she is.
John Edwards should be proud.  She has kept his voice alive.  She is a change-agent.  Universal Health Care is the only way.
I live in NYS.Clinton said she met someone who didn't know what Obama had done, but I can't put my finger on anything that she's done...and that's in her 30 something years of "experience".  She's promoted herself, but she's done nothing for NYS that I'm aware of.
Her xerox comment sounded too rehearsed.  That is why it fell flat.  Can't you just see her getting ready for the debate practicing that line over and over trying to get the timing down.
I'm afraid there isn't much Hillary can do at this point--- America is under the Obama spell.  He can say anything because he doesn't have a past or at least we don't know it, if he does-- the media loves him!  My concern is whether he's up for the task once elected.  Does anyboby care about that?
I love how you guys don't even defend yourselves.  You just throw baseless garbage at me :).  Oh well, what can I expect I guess.

And I'm not a conservative in the mold of Bush.  I like what he originally ran on, and I love his tax cuts, but I don't like a lot that he has done.  As for Limbaugh, I don't really care what he says.

As for McCain, I will either not vote or vote Democrat over him.  I think the Dems are worse but I do not want to see the Republican party consistently move farther and farther from what it should be standing for (individual rights and SMALL government).  McCain just represents war to me.  

Clinton is shamelessly using Rovian tactics - declaring the same untruths over and over again, knowing they're not true.  Even after Obama provided the real truth - she still had to spew her pre-planned sound-bite bile.  I find her totally grotesque and unacceptable to lead - she's an ungracious playground bully.  We've already had two terms of that.  
no it won't work........this is the best she can do.......and it's silly.  Her attacks make Obama look far more PRESIDENTIAL.
Comments about speeches aside, when push comes to shove and our country is in a crisis, I would not want Barack Obama to be making life and death decisions or telling the Joint Chiefs what do....he just is not ready for that.
To pontificate yet further on my previous post.  I supported Hillary, but believe that Obama will take the nomination. As stated before, I believe that Obama could win the broad supported needed to defeat the republicans even though I believe Hillary would make the better president.  I fear that Barack will try to please everyone and most likely wind up pleasing no one.
I hate the bickering... she was in the wrong! we know he can give a speech and we know that he didn't need that statement to give a good speech.
get a clue vote for hitlery puts McCain in the white house
The Clinton crowd made one error over the whole speech-borrowing mess: they called it plagiarism instead of fraud.  Obama committed fraud.  Words and inspirational rhetoric are all he has to set him apart.  His experience is questionable.  Charm and charisma cover a lot of deficiencies.  This so-called inspiration is all that he can provide.  It is his essence, his soul, his only message and all he has to offer. He is what he is because of this. The people who listen to him, who swoon over him, believe everything he says.  Those words should be his, or he should let them know where they come from.  I don't care if his friend Gov. Patrick let him borrow those words.  But I do care if he isn't honest about where he got them.  And what is this excuse that Hillary "does it, too?"  Hillary didn't make her name out of "inspiring" you all and giving you a reason to live.  When your hero is less than honest with you, face it and demand something better out of him.  You don't just blame or deflect the problem by directing hateful comments at his opponent.  And if he was as truly different and honorable as you think he is, and if he really intended to make the changes you crave so much, he shouldn't fire you up this way and then not be honest with you.  

There is only one thing that I am hoping for.  I want the new Democratic president to go into the White House and get a mop and bucket and clean the mess the Bush administation will leave behind.  I don't need inspiration and dreams for that.  LIke it or not, we know the Clintons can do it.  We have huge problems, real ones, today, here and now.  Our focus needs to be on that.  We had a fabulous opportunity to hammer home the fact that Bush failed. We could have done that every day until we won.  People are losing their homes; some have no health insurance.  Unemployment may be going up.  We don't need to talk about changes in our future.  We need to fix these problems today or many of us will have no future.  Obama misdirected our focus to himself.  Now it appears millions of people are dreaming of hope.  I don't remember looking for an inspirational leader.  Who asked him to be one?  When he says "we are what we have been dreaming of" that's not true.  I didn't dream of him.  He's not in my dreams.  All I'm dreaming about is getting that frumpy, dumpy bucket and mop.  And then we can dream about the ethereal later.  Maybe his followers don't mind if he fooled them.  But some of us do.  Maybe he should step aside and let a more qualified person handle the cleanup job, and then when we have more to look forward, then he can come back into the picture and dream for us.
The 'boos' obviously came from Obama supporters, just as 'boos' would be echoed from Clinton supporters had she received an similar attack from him.  My point is, the media isn't going to debate whether the verbal negative reaction was justified - it's simply going to focus on the fact that there were 'boos' (I'm seeing sound bites galore...) - with the latter focus not giving objective, representational coverage.  
Much ado about nothin.
Mona - no, no one seems to care that Obama doesn't seem ready to take the presidency.  He is the cool guy after all!

Seriously people -THINK!!  Our country is in a mess and so many are willing to take a huge risk on Obama when Hillary has proven time and again to be strong, intelligent, and to follow through with her plans. Obama is inspirational - but inspiration is not going to cut it!!

She has taken so much crap over the years. She dusts herself off and is back to the drawing table.  She is the type of person we need in charge of our country.

I am an independent who will likely not vote in the general if Obama takes the nomination.  I am not comfortable with him or McCain leading.
It's true!  Maybe the way she said it was harsh, but the backbone to the message absolutely grounded.  I liked Obama in the beginning, but my feelings have changed as this campaign has progressed.  I'm not hearing specifics.  I was enchanted with change... but I haven't heard much in the way of supporting details.  Furthermore, I'm a little disillusioned with his idea of change.  For someone who speaks so much of it, I'm questioning why his stance on health care isn't more progressive.  Lowering medical costs and insurance prices is far from a radical initiative.  In that respect, Clinton and Edwards (when he was in) are the true radicals by proposing actual universal health care.  Now that's change.  
New title for Senator Obama'a book: The Inauthenticity of Hope" ghost-written by David Axelrod
I wonder how much Xerox paid her to mention their brand name during the debate. Product placement at its best. This coming from the Senator who has received more money from lobbyists and corporations than any Republican candidiate. Very interesting...
That comment was entirely un-presidential and catty.  Obama clearly got the best of Clinton in this debate as she was unable to conceal her discomfort at times (constantly shifting and appearing to literally bite her tongue at times).  She lost her composure.
The young voters really need to learn about what's really happening in our world.  If they would, they would vote for Hillary.  Obama CAN NOT win the national election.  Please, think it over.
Comment "J" burbled on about above - Republicans believing in SMALL government.  Would this be the same Republicans that are in your bedrooms; the same ones who try to dictate what women can and cannot do concerning reproductive rights.  The same crowd who brought us the Patriot Act, FISA, and who are pulling no punches to try to censor the INTERNET?  This same group of BIBLE thumpers (not that BIBLE thumping is wrong, just don't force it)who forced me to drive 100 miles in 1973 to see the Exorcist after banning it in the county I resided in.  These same free spirits that banned "Catch Her in the Rye" from our local library. Don't forget that tower of human rights, our former Attorney General, Ashcroft, who spent $6000.00 to have Lady Liberty's bare breast covered. Are these the same conservative who preach family values and are so concerned about children up to the point of them actually being born and then cut all funding connected with assistance for those needing it. Small government?? Give me a break!


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