The one thing all of you are not thinking about,  is Social Security is in trouble mainly because there are more collecting than paying in right now.   With Health Care withheld, it would be no different than having your employer withhold,  and would be less than what were having withheld now.  And costs will be going down so we wouldnt have the out of pocket expenses like we do now

So Vince,  then According to Obama,  if a parent doesnt provide healthcare for their own kids they are neglectful, and should be punished.

So why put parents in a position of committing a crime,  mandate everyone to have it, and we can move on

As a Republican I am voting for Obama, health care is one of the reasons.  He is logical and balanced.  He does not expect to shove plans down the independant Americans throat, he offers solutions.  

Also worth noting is that he's not just trying to get the vote of the uninsured like Clinton, he looks at the good for all Americans.  I have insurance and I have devoted many years working for little money in my local school system for that insurance, under Clinton I am not rewarded for my hard work, but under Obama's plan, my premiums get cut and uninsured get insurance.  It's a fair solution for all.  Just like so many of his policies, fair and balance like he is.

If I the Republican can see this, I think that the republican representatives in the house nad senate can see it too and vote for his bill as I will be votin gfor him.

Most states fine people for driving without car insurance.  What makes it so different to mandate that people carry health insurance?  Those of us who pay for health insurance and taxes end up paying for those who don't care to insure themselves.  Senator Clinton's plan offers insurance to those who don't already have a plan.  If Senator Obama thinks the only reason people aren't insured is because they can't afford it, he is even more naive than I originally thought.  People often make the decision to spend money on nice cars,clothes,phones and entertainment.  Then they expect healthcare to be free.  I work in healthcare and see it often.

There's a fundamental difference between mandated health care and Social Security or Medicare. It costs nothing to receive Social Security or Medicare benefits. Why would anyone opt out?? Social Security and Medicare are paid for by taxes and PROVIDED automatically by the government. Mandated Health coverage would demand that individual PURCHASE health care coverage.

Wait till YOUR company drops the health insurance benefit as so many have already. Then you will be forced to go buy an individual policy for you and your family. In New York, an HMO for a family on a single pay plan costs more than $1800. That's $1800 a month. How many of you can afford that? All of you who are complaining about universal health care, I hope. Because as we need to become more globally competitive, the one major monkey on companies backs is health care benefits. In short you cost your boss too damned much money. It's cheaper for him to take your job to another country in the far east, dude. Soon we will all be in that predicament of having our health care insurance dropped by our employers, and then we won't be so smug will we now? The only thing that separates any one of us from those who are forced into this predicament is luck right now, and that luck is running out as more and more companies drop health care insurance. Losta luck, folks.

Social security has problems because our politicians have robbed from the till. We could have fixed social security problems five times over with the money we have wasted in Iraq,  and still have a trillion left over. And that doesn't even include the hundreds of billions of dollars  that disappeared unaccounted for by special friends of Cheney and Bush, also known as no-bid contractors.

I'm SICK & TIRED listening to Senator Clinton saying that she has this 35 years of experience and READY ON DAY ONE.

Well SHE CAN'T EVEN TAKE CHARGE OF HER OWN CAMPAIGN NOW WITH all that experience, plus having been thru 2 presidential elections of former president Clinton, and this is all she got? If you can't even get your primary (no less) presidential campaign together how do you expect to run a country? Talking about how Senator Obama is not ready, Obviously so far he's ready enough to go against the CLINTON MACHINE….

With all the good that comes from Senator Clinton experience also come a lot of bad ones. That 35 years of experience also give us the war in Iraq, No Child Left Behind, Bankcruptcy Law, NAFTA, not to mention secrecy conduct that would rival President Bush. You would've known what you know now Senator Clinton if you bothered to read the NIE report, obviously those 35 years experience didn't lead you to that judgment. I don't know what kind of your own research that you did, what kind of advice that you got, those 35 years of experiences still DIDN'T LEAD YOU TO THE CORRECT ANSWER.

AND LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS HEALTHCARE STUFF, with all HER EXPERIENCES, I watched when she came out with her healthcare plans after John Edwards & Barack Obama came out with theirs almost a year ago, HER PLANS were basically IDENTICAL WITH JOHN EDWARDS'. So, now she has the nerve to say Barack Obama plagiarized Patrick Devall, WELL SENATOR CLINTON PLAGIARIZED JOHN EDWARDS' HEALTHCARE PLAN. She just copied his plan and change his name to hers.

I mean is this the person who supposed to be the inevitable candidate? The person who has been collecting money from donors for more than 2 decades now, and THIS IS THE BEST CAMPAIGN & MESSAGE she can deliver FROM THOSE 35 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE?

I'M INEVITABLE, I'M EXPERIENCE, I'M READY ON DAY ONE,I'M SO READY I HAD TO COPY MY HEALTHCARE PLAN FROM JOHN EDWARDS, I'M SO READY I HAVE TO MAKE SURE QUESTIONS GIVEN TO ME BY THE PEOLE ARE PLANTED AND THOSE THAT AREN'T HAVE TO BE PRE SCREENED, I'M SO READY I HAVE TO KILL ANY ARTICLE FROM BEING PUBLISHED IN CASE IT SAYS SOMETHING BAD ABOUT ME, I'M SO READY THAT I DIDN'T THINK I NEED TO MAKE MY CASE TO PEOPLE IN SMALL STATES LIKE WASHINGTON, NEBRASKA, DELAWARE OR VIRGINIA, I'M SO READY THAT CAUCUSES AREN'T IMPORTANT SO I DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY, I'M SO READY THAT EVEN IF I LOOSE 11 ELECTIONS IN A ROW IT'S STILL VIABLE TO SAY THAT I'M THE MOST EXPERIENCED AND READY ON DAY ONE AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF.

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

And this is coming from somebody who's NOT even voting for her opponent.

The real solution to health care is that health care should be our right as citizens.  It should not be a service that we an buy if we want it or not.  I believe in socialized, government-run healthcare.  That's what the Clinton's believe in also.  However, her current plan is nowhere near that. And Obama's is even further away.  But in terms of political reality, his is more likely to move the compass away from a highly un-regulated, free-market industry that really isn't working to ensure that we have a country that takes care of the health care rights of it's individual members.

When Hillary compared Social Security and Medicare to her health care, she meant only that there WILL be a tax taken out of your check each week to go to your healthcare.  If you elect not to get healthcare you will be given a tax credit.   It's most efficient way to cover everyone. Barack Obama, doesn't have a healthcare plan at all, just using this because his feet were put to the fire by Edwards, who had the first real healthcare plan, praised by many, way last year, Hillary Clinton had her seven month later, Baracks' is a pretend plan. WAKE UP PEOPLE.

he is going to be pres, and he can get her plan through

Obama want to mandate a healthcare plan for anyone who is under 25 yrs of age,but not someone who is over 25 yrs of age.Why?

What happens when those 15 million people who choose NOT to have health insurance because they "can't afford it" ( although they make too much to get help from programs) show up at hospitals and need assistance? Who will be footing the bill? The tax payers. It isn't true that people can't AFFORD health care, they spend money on other things they can live without. Like digital cable, or nicer cars than they can afford, or high interest rates on loans they should have never signed, or CREDIT CARDS. Americans have issues with spending instead of saving. For those who TRULY can't afford to pay the premiums offered by Hillary will be covered by medicare.  Obama's programs is just like the rest of him...amature. Are we expected to just wait until those who choose not to be covered come in for medical assistance and THEN say " Well...shoot. What are we gonna do about them?" No one like mandates, and they are hard to enforce, but at least it's a better starting point to negotiations. I hope the rest of Ohio feels the same way and votes HILLARY '08.

In the words of MLK. "You should judge a man not by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character." And a man OR WOMAN'S character is shown most purely when you see them overcoming adversity. Keep that in mind. Talk is cheap.

Social security is a HUGE success.  It has worked great.  The only problem is that instead of leaving the funds alone, the republicans rifled the funds and used them to pay for tax breaks for the wealthy and military spending.

I, too, became very familiar with Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security while caring for my father.  Plus, well before prescriptions were covered under Medicare.  That system is a bandage put on a huge cut and it too needs a bit of a revamp.

We who work, get taxes taken out of our paychecks to pay for Medicare, even though we are not "old" enough to qualify for getting it.

That kind of talking point that you reference above will fall on its proverbial face if any candidate picks it up to run with it.  Any research into how those systems work (S.S. broken, Medicare lacking, Medicaid IS the current health insurance for non-insured people) will prove it to and unwise comparison.

I think Hillary did a wonderful job last night.  It is so obvious that the people on msnbc are so pro Obama.  I am so tired of the Hillary bashing.  I don't know whats wrong with America, people are getting so caught up in Obama's so-called inspirational speeches.  Do they not realize that this is not a game, we could very well end up with Obama as president, a man who is just not ready. Well, I'm not caught up in the hype we need to stop this maddness before its too late.

Social Security is a failed system.  How is the country going to pay for SS as the mass of boomers retire?

The image that comes to mind in comparing mandated participation in Universal Health Care to that of SS is not one of success; it is one of failure.

Good message, Vince.  It also bears saying that under Obama's plan, those of us that have good insurance can keep it, along with a $2500 subsidy for insurance premiums per year.  I can't say for sure, but I haven't heard whether Clinton's plan allows you to keep your current health insurance if you are happy with it.  

Her health care plan to force people to buy health care sounds more like a dictatorship.  This is a free country and we, the people, have the right to choose.  Secondly, there are people today who can't afford insurance and her plan is to fine them and/or garnish their wages?  If you do that, how do you expect them to pay for health care when you're taking their money away.  Her plan will have the 50 million people without health care instead.  In case nobody has noticed, her health care plan is the same as the one the Republicans were pushing during the first few debates.

The thing is, in NY it's a thousand a MONTH for a single person individual HMO. Twice that for a family. I am sick of paying for you deadbeats who don't want to pay for your own health care. You are all scamming the system and it has to stop so that the rest of us who do pay for our own health care insurance can stop paying enough to support a family just to get health care and not go into bankruptcy if we get sick. If you don't have a couple of thousand a year, then you will get your health care free and you know it, but if you do earn enough to pay for it, why the H should the rest of us continue to carry you so that we can't even afford our own insurance anymore? Those on medicaid and medicare are all taken care of. It's the rest of us who are carrying the rest of you who are getting it in the neck. Our rates are going out of touch so that somebody out there can just take a ride.

Did anyone catch this from the debate..apparently your plan can chage depending on where you are in the polls:
OBAMA: "Well, I think that Senator Clinton mentioned two specific issue areas where we've got some differences. I'm happy to debate those, which is what I think should be the focus of this campaign. We both want universal health care.

When I released my plan a few months later, we were in a debate and Senator Clinton said we all want universal health care. Of course, I was down 20 points in the polls at the time, and so my plan was pretty good. It's not as good now, but my plan hasn't changed. The politics have changed a little bit."

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