ABOUT FIRST READ

First Read is an analysis of the day's political news, from the NBC News political unit. First Read is updated throughout the day, so check back often.

Chuck Todd, NBC Political Director

Mark Murray, NBC Deputy Political Director

Domenico Montanaro, NBC News Political Reporter



The Lone Star Showdown

Posted: Friday, February 22, 2008 9:20 AM by Mark Murray

The Austin American-Statesman writes that Clinton and Obama “affably two-stepped for half a debate in Austin on Thursday night before bursting into prickly exchanges over which of them is better poised to lead the country after two terms by President Bush.”

The Houston Chronicle says the debate "offered few surprises Thursday as they tangled over universal health care and who would be best able to serve as president on the first day in office. Clinton tried to portray Obama as a candidate lacking in experience to handle the office, but he described her as a candidate embedded in a type of politics that has resulted in gridlock in Washington."

The AP: “It was an unexpectedly gracious moment in a debate that was supposed to be a game changer for Clinton in the run-up to crucial primaries in Texas and Ohio March 4. After losing 11 straight contests to Obama in a race now clearly breaking his way, the former first lady chose the high road and even delivered what sounded to many like the dress rehearsal for a campaign valedictory address.”

The Washington Post: "The Democratic debate began politely but gathered force in the closing portions with pointed exchanges on substantive issues and about the traits required of a president. The forum closed with a flourish, after the candidates were asked to describe how they had dealt with crises in their lives."

The New York Times: "Mrs. Clinton entered the debate with her advisers somewhat torn about how aggressive to be against Mr. Obama, who is enjoying significant political momentum after his string of victories and has a narrow lead in delegates for the Democratic nomination. Some advisers said she believed that simply by sitting on a stage, making her cases side-by-side with Mr. Obama, would reap points because she would look experienced and presidential. But others said she needed to be more assertive in making him seem ill-prepared for the job.”

“As for her actual performance, Mrs. Clinton appeared relaxed at times as she made her case. At other points, she looked as if she could not wait to deliver punches or respond to Mr. Obama’s remarks. Still, little that she said appeared to rattle him."

The Los Angeles Times: "Much of the pre-debate conversation centered on whether Clinton would launch a major offensive to gain ground she has lost to Obama in recent contests among those who once formed the backbone of her campaign, including lower-income and less-educated voters, women, and white men. But, with the exception of the ‘Xerox’ line, there were no new thrusts from the New York senator. Indeed, at times she appeared tentative."

The Miami Herald, not surprisingly, leads with the Cuba disagreements between the two Dems.

The AP’s Fournier: Was that a white flag waving over Texas? Democrats who think Hillary Rodham Clinton needs to do something dramatic - like going negative - to save her presidential candidacy might wonder about her mostly positive, always cautious debate performance Thursday night. The New York senator is not one to surrender easily and nobody should count her out prematurely, but Clinton's kid-gloves approach with Barack Obama raises questions about her strategy headed into two must-win primaries March 4.” 

Roger Simon on the debate: "Stylistically, Clinton seemed to enjoy herself more - - she beamed throughout the evening - - and while Obama clearly had a head cold, I have watched him at 19 of these debates now and I have never gotten the impression he was enjoying himself. Enjoyment is not impossible. John Edwards, a trial lawyer, clearly enjoyed the cut and thrust of debates. But Obama not so much. He prefers speeches (his own and others) to debating.  Still, he made his two key points: First, inspiration matters."

The Boston Globe’s Canellos: “Obama last night was wonky and detailed enough to set heads nodding in Capitol committee rooms, but delivered probably the most effectively boring debate performance in recent presidential politics.” More: [W]hile Clinton did nothing to hurt her chances, she failed to deliver any such game-changing moment. And Obama did not provide one with any serious gaffes.”

Per NBC’s Ron Allen, it was a pretty crazy scene at a place called Guero's in Austin after the debate, where Hillary and Chelsea Clinton were inside the packed Tex-Mex restaurant. Several dozen more people were outside trying to look through the windows. "Madame President, Madame President," people were shouting inside.

Campaigning in San Antonio last night, Bill Clinton praised his wife’s performance, NBC/NJ’s Carrie Dann notes. "I thought it was obvious that I was ready to be president and lead tomorrow," he said. Later, he declared that he "loved it" when his wife lauded Obama during the debate and called for national unity. But the mushiest line came when the press corps got a rare within-earshot opportunity to lob a softball his way. Asked what his favorite part of the debate was, he touched his heart affectionately and said "Oh, her closing. That's my girl."

MAIN PAGE

Email this EMAIL THIS

Comments

I have always voted Republican, but I, like many other Republicans, am looking for a change.  I think Obama out spoke Clinton many times last night in the debate.  I think he has made himself very clear and shown that he has what it takes to run this country.  Hillary and Bill have both made it a point, over and over, to bash his character.  He has responded to their attacks but I have yet to see him do anything underhanded.  He clearly cares about what is best for the American people and "silly politics" is not what is best for us.  I voted for Obama in the primary and am really leaning towards voting for him in November.  I think he is a great man and can really lead this country where we all, united, want it to go.
TEXAN  
Glad you clarified the nature of your ethnocentrism.
Obama built a grass roots campaign that involves many many people across the country . That is how you effect real change. Hillary passes out policy like crackers - what SHE will give you. Your particiaption is not required -- but then again neither is your opinion or your wants and desires.

Part of the reason Hillary failed with healthcare the first time, is because she developed it behind closed doors and if anyone else had an idea they were put on her enemies list. Hillary takes a great deal of credit for Children's health insurance which is really Ted Kennedy's initiative. Yes she may have worked on it also, but she fails to give him ANY credit .

Hillary believes in top down -- her way or the highway management.

Obama believes in bottom up -- ie building a consensus of the masses by INVOLVING them . This is how he has run and managed his campaign. I think it's a good indication of his style of effecting change.

One year ago, nobody gave Obama a fighting chance. After all he was taking on the big bad "Clinton" machine. For the last year he quietly but effectively built his organization that has surpassed the Clinton machine if results are any measurement of success.

I remember them asking him last summer after some less than stellar debate performance. He told them not to worry he'd pick up the ball in the 4th quarter when it mattered.

Just remember a few weeks ago the New England Patriot were "supposed" to win the superbowl. Until they didn't .
TEXAN (Sent Friday, February 22, 2008 11:43 AM)

No, your remark was not racist. It was uninformed.
Obama is not a muslim. I am pretty sure that won't change your mind because it appears to give you comfort to believe falsehoods that support your opinions.
I must begin by saying that I am not a political analyst, I am not a student of Political Science, I am not a reporter with any news agency, nor am I a Political Campaign Manager or a person with any political ambition.  However, I am an American Citizen who has a right to vote.  
    When will the networks consider the will of the people rather than the will of reporters, political analysts, campaign mangers, or people with a stake in the political process? Interviews from the media are always with those who have a dog in the fight as the slang term might suggest.  There is no way that a person on the side of the other will give a true and honest opinion in a case where they have so much to lose.  
    During last night's debate, there were quite a few times when both candidates had very positive and encouraging things to say to a Nation that has been without a President for all people over the past seven years.  How can one really say that Senator Hillary Clinton won the debate because she made a good comment at the end of the debate?  Have everyone forgotten about the hour and a half prior to that last comment.  Senator Barack Obama was very articulate, and precise and to the points on most of the issues just as was Senator Clinton.  If the MEDIA would get out of the way long enough for America to make its choice rather than choose sides in an attempt to sway one group, or Super Delegate one over the other, then America can do what democracy is all about.  The right of each and every American is to choose and vote for the candidate of its choice without such partiality from the media.  In one Internet poll, the people felt that Obama was won the debate over Clinton 58% to 26% with over 213,000 people voting, and 40% to 31% in having a better health plan with over 198,000 people voting.  Granted this is a very small sample of all of America yet it shows the will of the people.  Most of these probably have never been asked what they thought so this is our opportunity to express our views.  
    Now the question remains, who makes the difference in America, the handful of people who are guests of television shows (all with some type of Political Interest), or the American Citizens as a whole.  This letter may not have much impact on the networks or on any one who reads it, however, it is my belief that if favoritism is put out of the picture then Americans can speak for themselves.  This in my opinion is what DEMOCRACY is all about
Put me and my family down as Hillary Clinton write-ins.Cannot vote for Obama and certainly not for Mccain.Please note that this is the only site that is still denigrating anything Hillary.You,chuckie,KO and Matthews are in your own little world.Also the 2 left feet of the dancing fool Tucker.The hate that oozes from the e-mails to anybody that says a decent thing about Hillary still being called racist,ignorant and all the other little slimey things that come into your heads,and now you have the audacity of hope that we will vote for your choice-----your on your own obamanoids or whatever name BO has given your.
After every debate I want to vote for both of them. The Dems are fortunate to have two candidates with the intellect, values and integrity of Clinton and Obama. The combined IQ on that stage last night was about 400! I'm 60 and have never been this proud to be a Democrat! I wish they would meet and decide that they would be running mates in whatever order they finish in the voting.

And children, stop fighting. This is just what the RNC is hoping for. The real issue is, as I think HRC so eloquently stated last night, isn't "about them." And it isn't the "Last Hurrah" for either of them, either. Look, the critical thing is to get the Republicans the hell out of the White House. We need to unite behind whoever wins. Four more years of W-like "leadership" and well have dug a hole we'll be in forever, if we haven't done so already. After 8 years of W we may need both of them and then some. We can't say we'll take our baseball and bat and go home if our person doesn't win. If you do, you might as well send $100 to the McCain campaign.
Gary.
Obama was raised in Indonisia by a muslim step-father.I know he has a muslim step-sister in Indonisia.Even if he's not a dedicated muslim,i assume he's leaning to muslim culture,OR he's a muslim but he doesn't want to verify for political reasons.
Hillary Clinton is the only Democrat who can win in 2008!

I don't see Obama winning more states than the last two losers, Gore and Kerry!  Don't expect Ted Kennedy's endorsement to win any state except for the state of intoxication!

The people who booed last night - absolutely no class at all!
JM Korbel--

Your little link to that supposed Obama clip in 72 is stupid and offensive.  Duh, that's not Obama--not even close.  Do you hold onto the idiotic stereotype that all African-Americans look alike and are therefore indistinguishable from each other, or are you just an idiot?  What a stupid ploy to dig up non-existant dirt.
TEXAN wrote, "I said:I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR A MUSLIM.It's NOT a racist remark."

You are right it isn't a racist remark. It is a biggoted remark! And, one more thing, Obama is a Christian.
Texan, Obama's half-sister lives in Hawaii. Which to my understanding is an U.S. State. He was raised in HI by his mother and grandparents (Who were from Kansas). Last I checked there's not a lot of people leaning to Islamoc culture in HI or KS.
Texan, Obama's half-sister lives in Hawaii. Which to my understanding is an U.S. State. He was raised in HI by his mother and grandparents (Who were from Kansas). Last I checked there's not a lot of people leaning to Islamic culture in HI or KS.
There's such a thing as bias, and I wish those who just don't like either candidate for whatever reason would state and admit their bias from the start.

Springer did this when the poll test was conducted on fox network, admit his bias before speaking, and so then we know how to intepret these words.

To say you wouldn't vote for either of these candidates, Barack if he wins fairly or Hilary if she wins fairly seems to represent some deep bias or wound or sorrow from one's supported candidate not winning.  Are these really rational feelings?  Or are they just emotional feelings.  

Would such a vote really be because one would being democrat would prefer McCain as president or is this just a vote of protest becasuse the desired candidate did not get nominated?

Some say this country cannot get past it's racial, gender, creed etc. divides, sad if true that a party would rather suffer than surpass it's prejudices.
OK, "Texan" you're not a racist.  You're a xenophobic jack-ass.  By March 5th Barack Obama, a solid member of the Church of Christ will be the Democratic party's nominee to be our next president.  
Clinton supporters, please look at the polls and think about the very real consequences of her heading the Democratic ticket, before continuing to support her.

EVERY legitimate poll shows Obama will beat McCain handily, while Clinton would probably lose. Also, Obama at the head of the ticket will put several Democratic Senate candidates over the top. And let's not forget the Supreme Court, with as many as 4 judges to be seated by the next president.

Simply put, no matter how wonderful a president you feel Hillary would make, she is far too divisive to win the General Election. And another four years of Bush policies (or worse) under McWarMonger would be disastrous for our country.

We NEED to back the candidate who can WIN, and that is Obama.

I can't believe that people are voting for Obama! He has not said as how he plans to fix the mess we are in! He has not done anything of any consequence! How does he intend to bring the troups back? He does not have any experience either in foreign politics or economy. Does he know what it would take to pay for all his programs?? Take care of the deficit? etc. etc
He hAS NOT SAID ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE.
Dawn...wow.  Thank you for insulting the intelligence of individuals who may be supporting a different candidate than you do.

I think it is important for people who believe in the policies of the Democratic party to support whoever wins the nomination.  I am voting for Obama in the primary because I agree with him more in the areas where he and Hillary differ.  I have been following the career of Obama since he was teaching at the University of Chicago Law School where my husband was a student and was also serving as a Illinois State Senator.  That stated, I will support Hillary if she gets the nomination.

I think insulting people as not being smart enough because they may disagree with you does more harm to the democratic system than people supporting different candidates will.  But maybe, that is just because according to Dawn- I am not smart and simply a "disease."  I need to also inform my husband that he has a low intellect because he dares to support Obama.  
Okay Texan.  You are right.  You are not a racist.  You are a bigot.
Obama is a christian.  Look it up.
Has anyone considered that maybe this whole campaign is becoming about something else than what it was when it started?  Could it be that it's time for us to be Americans again?  What I saw last night was two very strong and charismatic presidential candidates, the absolute cream of the crop of political personalities in our nation, both taking the high ground of unity, debating their differences but doing so civilly and with respect each for the other, and inviting a nation that has been divided for too long to become united again.  I hope to vote for BOTH of them in the general election, one for President and the other for Vice President.  
Can anyone explain to me how Obama will unite our congress to agree on important issues?  Not being attacking at all... I just hear him talk so much about bringing people together on issues... So someone please tell me where he states or what he has stated he is going to do to get the conservative republicans who think abortion is morally wrong, to agree with pro choice congress members, or how he will change peoples moral perspectives on homosexuals, or how about how he will unite both parties to agree on raising/lowering taxes?  I just really would like to know who has the power to change peoples deep, moral beliefs to agree with eachother.  There will ALWAYS be two sides to an issue, that stem from deep, embedded personal moral and ethical values.  He is running his campaign on uniting both parties, but someone please tell me how he is going to do it.  And I would like to point out an analysis on his senate votes over the '05,'06,07 on how they went against republican votes in the senate by at least 96% all three years in a row.  How is he uniting anything? I'm really not trying to be attacking, I just would like to be informed.
Hillary supporters, you can call what I have to say, "mud-slinging" or you can stop and smell the coffee and be as outraged as I feel right now.

Hillary Clinton’s best lines came at the end of the debate last night framed around her experiences at a hospital filled with horribly wounded soldiers. She used that story to appeal to her base and undecided voters to illustrate that she is caring and compassionate. In short, she used that story to score political points.

As a veteran (retired from the US Army after 20 years) I am absolutely outraged that she sought to profit politically by using the spectacle of those unfortunate heroes as a prop! I am livid because she was the one, between the two candidates, that voted to put those brave soldiers in harms way to begin with. How dare she claim compassion when all she is entitled to is guilt!

Veterans, join me at obamavets.com to do what needs to be done to carry Barak Obama to victory.  
Speaking as a Michigan resident, no, please don't seat our delegates. She was the only major name on the ballot, so of course she "won". Where were Hillary and her campaign when the DNC was voting to strip us of our delegates in the first place? Her chief advisor was voting FOR the punishment, that's where. How hypocritical can you be?

And speaking of hypocrisy, why is everyone fawning over her closing statement? The best parts were "plagiarized" from Jim Edwards and Bill Clinton. Bah.
Bill, Okla.
If Obama gets the nomination,i will vote for Mc-war-monger.
The activists of the democratic party captured the primaries and good other candidates forced to quit because of money.We end-up with a war-monger,a woman, and an african-american.The best choices gone.
Not positive, but Hillary's so called special moment at the end of the debate sounded vaguely familiar.  Didn't Bill Clinton say something very similar in '92. Those who plagerize should not throw stones.  Also dem's should start judging the two remaining candidates by how they have managed their campaigns.  Obama wins there for sure.  He has not only successfully managed his budget but has engaged more Americans than any campaign in history.  Go Barak!  
J Merle, Go away.  seriously, you have to be paid by Billary's campaign.  
TEXAN wrote, "If Obama gets the nomination,i will vote for Mc-war-monger."

Good riddance!
I will start this out by stating I am a Clinton supporter and I really wish she was in a better position right now, but she's not.  I am a realist, and if Obama is the nominee, which is looking more and more probable, I will support him.  

However, I still want to express my opinions about the debate last night. I thought Campbell Brown did a poor job moderating the debate.  In the first third of the debate, it seemed to me that every question was presented to Clinton first, which gave Obama time to reflect on and compose his response, which mostly consisted of, "I agree with Hillary on most of what she said, but I would add the following."  The rest of the evening, Obama was allowed to simply lapse into giving portions of his stump speech (I know the words by heart by now...When I am president,"I" will give each student $4000, "I" will give teachers raises, "I" will have all students be taught a foreign language...")

I watched in amazement as Brown let him give the stump speech time and time again, letting the crowd whoop and hollar, without her so much as asking him, "Senator Obama, could you tell us exactly how you will do this?"  That's what I was looking for.  Another thing overall, Obama is allowed to go unchallenged as he repeats his mantra that he is going to unite the parties and there is going to be a new way of doing things in Washington when he is president.  Can't somebody ever ask him, "Exactly HOW are you going to do that?"  There was a perfect opportunity last night when Obama was talking about some bill that he worked on (maybe introduced, I can't recall) which passed the Senate, but "unfortunately" died in the House.  Why wasn't there a follow-up question such as, "If this had happened when you were president, how would you have gotten the members in the House to jump over the fence and vote for it?"  

In the end, it's a beauty contest.  Americans seem content to treat this process as another segment of "American Idol."  Obama has become an idol.  But let's not forget that Hillary has racked up nearly 50% of the popular vote, so be kind!
Bob W. Mendon I too, am a vet 8 yrs. U.S. Navy Sub Service and for Obama.  I hope to see Phil Bredesen of Tennessee or Jim Webb as our candidates' VP choice.
To the Ladies on this blog: It is not your husband that makes you mad (as bad his behaviour might be)
It is  your internal response to a challenge you cannot handle. That´s what makes you mad.
It is about your (stress)response, not his behaviour (as bad as it might be).

If you fail miserably in life, in a relationship or a campain, your first task as a grown up and responsible person is to look for your own failures, not that of others. That´s just cheating on yourself. And it is empty talk (it is also a left brain reaction - defense)

Apparently some of this common misperception is to be found in this blog. I saw it too many times in the Clinton campaign.

You cannot overcome the tremendous flaws in yourself by pointing at the flaws of others.
It simply does not work.
That is not how evolution is running.
That is kindergarden.
Life is not fair. It has never been. Grow up.

Think hard - Do you really think someone stole this from you, or from Senator Clinton?

If you don´t accept your mistakes and failures as yours only (it´s painful) you will never learn.
There is a reason Hillary Clinton lost it. She has to find out about it herself. And she won´t find it outside of her. If she dares to look into her true self, she will arrive at some thoughtful and meaningful conclusions. It will be a good process, it might transform her into the real, likeable and genuine person she was from the beginning, but could rarely show.

Obviously by now, she picked the wrong advisors, the wrong people for the wrong jobs, and in that process got turned into someone artificial. That´s what people notice on a subconscious level. And that´s were votes are cast.

It is all about values, never about arguments. Reason never votes. Reason is the great condescending justifier for all your weird misperceptions.

Senator Obama found a way of connecting on a deep subconscious level with the value structures of millions of indivuduals. That´s his real mastery.

Finally the groundgame in the end all comes down to congruence. And if you don´t deliver on that, you are lost. Obvioulsy the much more congruent person won here, with a better team, a better strategy, better groundtroops and the willingness to learn fast from mistakes and to avoid denial most of the times.

It is nothing short from rewriting the textbooks on how an insurgent campaing is run successfully.
This campaign is a great achievement in itself and should get all due respect it deserves for that.

Senator Clinton certainly does not need protection, or pity, or complaints about others to blame. She is a grown up.

This failure will make her a better person, I am sure.
I was truly touched by Hillary yesterday evening. She delivered a beautiful ending. I am an Obama supporter and it brought me to tears that she was willing to put herself aside for a moment and call for the unity of the democratic party. This is what is good about democrats, we are people with  heart.
when will the mainstream media, who seem so intent on echoing sen. clinton's charge of "plagiarism" against sen. obama, going to point out that her most pivotal moment -- her closing speech -- was "lifted" quite liberally from her husband's 1992 speech (the hits I've taken/took are nothing compared to...) and john edwards' dec. 2007 speech (we're going to be just fine/whatever happens/i'm proud to share the stage with...)? it's not about making clinton look bad; it's about exposing hypocrisy and desperation when it rears its ugly head(s). while i'm not surprised the msm are ignoring this, i am a little disappointed that many of hrc's supporters refuse to acknowledge it.
Bob, What is your point about looking at library of congress? Is it the number of Resolutions or the content.  
J MERLE STANLEY:  DO NOT SEAT THE DELEGATES FROM MICHIGAN...my candidate was not even on the ballot. Does my vote not count???
Shouldn't the story be that Bill Clinton said:  NBC/NJ’s Carrie Dann notes. "I thought it was obvious that I was ready to be president and lead tomorrow,"
SO I WANT TO BE PRESIDENT LOL!!!
Well said Rogy,ND. Obama is such an unknown. A Texan on O'Reilly's show(2/20/08) referred to him as the
"Irish guy"... the O apostrophe..." there's no apos-
trophe". He and other supporters believe he is 100% Irish.The GOP will have a grand old time defining him.
No doubt the republican leaning independents and
crossover republicans will tilt the scales in his
favor in TX and OH. But we all know, democrats PREFER
Hillary. HOPE they stick with him in November. The party will have a hard time uniting.  If it is racist
to associate Obama with Jessee Jackson, what do you call the public AVOIDANCE of Jessee Jackson and Al Sharpton?  

By the way MSNBC, you might want to clarify that quote. If that is actually what Bill said you should report it, because that is a horrible gaffe.
Joyce, if you visit BarackObama.com you will see that the majority of Obama supporters welcome Hillary supporters, and realize that division in Democratic supporters will make the general election that much more difficult to win.

We defend our candidate as deeply as true Hillary supporters support their candidate.

There are always those who prefer to sling mud on both sides...but that is not the majority.
Why doesn't the cable new stations have the articles about the Obama's. Go to poltico.com. MSNBC you are falling behind and letting Fox news get ahead of you. Why aren't you reporting about Obama statements on the debate last night about our military and our Generals say's Obama is telling a lie. Get with it.
JM Korbel (Sent Friday, February 22, 2008 11:09 AM)
your clip (http://www.superdeluxe.com/sd/contentDetail.do?id=D81F2344BF5AC7BBCF096CA0DA7380ACEFBD9A8640FDF475)
is completely fake, if you're kidding that's one thing, but you claim it's real and it is far from it.  First, Obama is like 12 in 1972, secondly, it's not him and thirdly it's on a website for animators and creative video media.  MSNBC should take this down on the pretense you claim it's authentic...

by the way, I agree Obama supporters should walk tall, but keep it positive, this is not a football game, this is America's future


SEND A COMMENT

PLEASE READ: All comments must be approved before appearing in the thread; time and space constraints prevent all comments from appearing. We will only approve comments that are directly related to the blog, use appropriate language and are not attacking the comments of others.

Message (please, no HTML tags. Web addresses will be hyperlinked):

TRACKBACKS

Trackbacks are links to weblogs that reference this post. Like comments, trackbacks do not appear until approved by us. The trackback URL for this post is: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/trackback.aspx?PostID=691019

First Read e-mail alerts


Sign up for First Read alerts
The first place for key political news and analysis

Syndicate This Site

Add First Read to your news reader:
live.com xml
myyahoo msn
bloglines newsgator
google