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The Buckeye Brawl

Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:21 AM by Domenico Montanaro

The Cleveland Plain Dealer has a primer on tonight’s debate. “The large arena [at Cleveland State University] has been shrunk to an intimate theater holding 1,600 seats. The bulk of the tickets were distributed through each campaign.” Regarding the format, there are just a few rules. “Candidates will be asked to limit their responses to a reasonable length. There are no opening or closing statements.” 

The New York Times helps tee up the debate. “After struggling for months to dent Senator Barack Obama’s candidacy, the campaign of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is now unleashing what one Clinton aide called a “kitchen sink” fusillade against Mr. Obama, pursuing five lines of attack since Saturday in hopes of stopping his political momentum. The effort underscores not only Mrs. Clinton’s recognition that the next round of primaries … are must-win contests for her. It also reflects her advisers’ belief that they can persuade many undecided voters to embrace her at the last minute by finally drawing sharply worded, attention-grabbing contrasts with Mr. Obama.”

More: "[A]t a fund-raiser Sunday night in Boston, Mrs. Clinton told supporters that in the coming days, she planned to highlight what she called ‘the experience gap’ between her and Mr. Obama. Indeed, her advisers said Monday that she planned to hit this theme during the candidates’ Tuesday debate, though they said she would try to avoid making harsh personal attacks on Mr. Obama, particularly since Mrs. Clinton drew widespread attention and praise at the debate last week for saying she was ‘honored’ to be on the same stage with him." 

Clinton keeps going back to experience because it fits the message box, but are voters responding? Again, we go back to every previous change election where the losing candidate tried to play the experience card; it helps close a race, but never seems to help win a race: see Gore '00, Bush '92, Carter '80, Ford '76 and Nixon '60. Change won out in each of those years.

Politico writes that the Clinton campaign is in “full recriminations mode.” “Looking backward, interviews with a cross-section of campaign aides and sympathetic outsiders suggest a team consumed with frustration and finger-pointing about the apparent failure of several recent tactical moves against Barack Obama. Looking forward, it is clear Clinton’s team has only a faint and highly improvisational strategy about what to do over the next seven days. Simply put, there is no secret weapon.”

“At Tuesday night’s debate in Ohio, aides are mapping plans for drawing persistent attention to Obama’s record without attempting any knock-out punch theatrics that could backfire. Many recent decisions have done exactly that. This has left the campaign awash in anger over who is to blame.”

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As tempting as it is to see which persona comes out tonight, I promised myself last week that 19 was enough to sit through. Sorry MSNBC, but tonight will be for a family game of Scrabble.
Hillary is all tough when Obama is not around. When she gets on stage with him though, she just melts. Hillary is just not very tough.
If we wanted "experience" Chris Dodd would be the nominee.

Hillary needs to drop out while she can still save face.
if she loses either one of these states or doesn't win by more than 8% she is done. she can't mathmatically win.
Clinton isn't as interested in saving face as she is in saving the country from another affable but inexperianced president and saving the Democratic party from another 4 years and out situation.

Barach claims he has the ability to work with the opposition.  What examples of this type of bi-partisan cooperation can he offer?  What makes him think...and better yet, what makes his supporters think he will succeed?  This is a primary where the competition centers on personality and style.  What is going to happen when the process moves to the general election and the issues become those of experiance and demonstrated abilities?  

Know your history....revisit past elections....get real.
Speaking of Chris Dodd, rumor has it he is endorsing Obama today.

Obama '08
I agree with Paul.  The Clinton's are only asking for debates because they are losing.  Hillary is offering nothing new and after the last 19 debates, the only thing she is bringing tonight is her heat because she got her hand caught in the cookie jar.

If she wants a debate about Barock's little pamphlet in Ohio, by all means, let us have a debate on NAFTA and why HER HUSBAND signed off on it and why Hillary thought it was a good idea in 1993.  if there is any heat, it should be on the Clinton's for causing people in Ohio to lose so many jobs because of NAFTA.

You libs can spin this (like everything else) on President Bush, but it was your team that started the ball rolling.

By the way, we thank you all in Ohio for giving up your jobs so Texas could thrive on the NAFTA highway.

By the way Paul....
you should honor The Clinton's with the first word on the board tonight...

L-O-S-E-R
Didn't I read somewhere yesterday that there is a new blood test for people who are bi-polar?  Isn't that the condition where people take on several different personalities and you never know which one you're getting until they begin to speak?  Hmmmm....
Experience is her only line of attack,huh? Talk about going to war with a feather pillow. Maybe her and McWar can put their heads together and find a new angle because that isn't really working.
Hillary's campaign can be best described as "neurotic."  She has run a disorganized, dsfunctional campaigh with its spending out of control.  What happened to all her "experience?"
HRC's experience amounts to voting for the war, voting to give bush whatever he wanted at the expense of the american people, just to name a couple. Yeah, I think change is in order here.
I agree with you Paul, in Woodbridge, VA.  19 were enough for me too.  I will wait for the 18 million sound bites of it tomorrow morning.  I am exhausted from this, as I have been following it for 2 years now.  My GOP friends and family thought these debates were more entertaining when there were the lower tier candidates up on stage as well.  
In regard to Hillary Clinton's recent erratic behavior, perhaps it is all about campaign contributions. Perhaps Hillary wants campaign contributions to continue long enough for her multi-million dollar loan to the campaign to be repaid.
Could someone tell me what issues or positions that changed since last week?
I found Hillary's demeanor in the last debate deplorable. I expect she'll incorpoate that same nasty glare at him while he speaks.
Clinton is clearly desparate, as well she should be.  She was the queen, the presumptive nominee!  How could this young upstart take it all away from her.  I'm a baby boomer, and I STILL say, as I did in my time in the '60s---WE NEED A CHANGING OF THE GUARD!! And that's why Clinton is losing, because so many other people feel that way too.
Hey Democrats,don't worry about the primaries.Vote Republican in November.
I care less if Obama gets the nomination.
I"ll vote REPUBLICAN
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Just look at these postings. It is a maze of Women bashing. Men afraid to admit maybe a woman could do it better. It is a good thing the women voters can vote alone in that booth.No men over there sholder makeing sure they do as told. Thats why Obama does so good in Cauces.The few dont get there real vote counted and have to ans for it if in wrong side. In that booth women you have the power to do as you want. Vote Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!!
People jumping on board the obama train with nothing but a feel good ticket.  You do not know where you are going , but your very anxious to get there.  How did the country fall for this teflon candidate?  For starters the press, MSNBC for certian ordained that the Clintons had to go.  How we let so many true and accurate comments be labeled race baiting blows me away.  Just yesterday the photo of obama in african dress was deemed race baiting, give me a break.  The picture is what it is.  If obama was offended someone needs to ask why.  What offends him?  When any candidate gets to skate away from critical comments by claiming racial slurs while at the same time 88% of his racial group is voting for him WHO ARE THE RACISTS AND WHY ARE WE ALLOWING IT TO GO UNCHALLENGED?
In the last deate, watching Obama writing on the paper while Hillary was lecturing him reminded me of the boss that signs the paperwork while the secretary moans and groans......
I love it when Hit-lary gets all flustered and can't keep her composure on stage.  It makes her look so silly and Barack like a champion.  

Advise to Hit-lary - keep listening to Penn, he really knows how to help your campaign move forward.  I swear to you, he is good!  Keep up the good work and the attacks, they work!

Ha!  Se ya Hit-lary!  It's over.  Throw in the towel.
As tempting as it is to see which persona comes out tonight, I promised myself last week that 19 was enough to sit through. Sorry MSNBC, but tonight will be for a family game of Scrabble.
Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA (Sent Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:31 AM)

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Ya right scrabble this, you phony.  You are lusting after the Russett brawl, the blood and the crying and the screaming.  You get twitches in your leg like Chrissy Matthews when Obama starts to stutter and sweat.  THE poor boy has done this 20 TIMES he is exhausted! You want the media to have a glory day of playing it over and over and over so you can drool over the gotcha moments!  You ate so not missing the academy of awards of politics!
I believe that the democratic party will be torn because of Hillary. Hillary is giving the republicans a good laugh about how the democrats tear each other down. I am an Obama supporter and if Obama lost 11 straight primaries or caucases in a row, the other democrats would have forced him out of the race. They would rather see Hillary trash the democratic party by any means, than to force her out. How many times are they going to say,"if she wins this or that she will be the nominee"? Hillary has used race, religion,and personal character attacks against Obama and noone speaks out.The country has been divided for so long and she is adding fuel to the fire. This is a country of immigrants and is proposing that other races or religions do not matter and we should be scared. It is very disturbing to try and create a backlash on any religion, after the hate we have seen after 911.
I agree with you Paul, in Woodbridge, VA.  19 were enough for me too.  I will wait for the 18 million sound bites of it tomorrow morning.  I am exhausted from this, as I have been following it for 2 years now.  My GOP friends and family thought these debates were more entertaining when there were the lower tier candidates up on stage as well.  
Barbara C., Pompano Beach, FL (Sent Tuesday, February 26, 2008
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Ya ya Ostutter is so weak in debates, the theme of 18, 19, 20 is enough, it's making your skin crawl.  The stutter has to do AGAIN!  Live with it, the Media will wash it off him in the AM!
Texan, of course you'll vote republican, youa re no doubt a dittohead and rushthedruffie told you to vote his way or else no more dittohead kudos for you
Mrs billary is now showing herself in her truest colors that many people have pointed out about her temper. She is showing her real side as a witch because she is loosing.

Obama is staying on message and she cant get thru to what is realy going on in the country. Thats why Mc Cain is going to have his probems with Obama the same way Clinton is having. Bill cant help her no one can cant wait to watch her tonight because she is going to make an ass of herself like she did when she was antimated is describing him on the speech widly shown on video yesterday. She looked so stupid with the way she was moving her had in the air acting like a poor soul she is.

And  the drudge people said it was a Clinton person that gave them the pic of Obama in Kenya. And of course she said it wasnt her campaine that did it. Speaking of a Karl Rove moment, cant get more like Rove on that one.
Hillary reminds me of the Tanya Harding incident. She will do anything to win. I just hope that the debate tonight will be fair and just. Hillary likes to use the sympathy card by blaming everyone for her losing streak including the media.Obama"08"
I think the "kitchen sink" strategy from Clinton plays to her message inconsistency in the worst way. She's been "ready to lead", "I found my voice", "solutions not speeches", "deeply honored", and most recently "pissed off". I'm anxious to hear her one sound bite of sarcasm put on an infinite loop in the news shows. That ought to put the final nail in her campaign's coffin.
It's clear the nation is more willing to elect a black candidate than it is a woman.  I wish I could have the same enthusiasm for Obama as millions of other people seem to have.  Hillary Clinton clearly is the best candidate (republican or democrat) that is running for President this year but a combination of the media and Clinton haters, a lot of them republicans that voted for Obama in the primaries & caucuses and will vote for the republican in November has combined to defeat her.  
Jane, Jane, Jane.....

This is not woman bashing...It's Hillary bashing. She is running a pitiful campaign, spending out of control, contributions drying up, and trying any tactic she can to stop a freight train. People who support Obama are not stupid, nor are people who support Hillary. Hillary just hasn't gotten it done on the campaign trail, and Obama has by using the skills in his wheelhouse....Community organization. He duplicated a local process that he is very good at on a national level. She on the other hand took the nomination for granted.
I agree "we need a changing of the guard". The approval ratings of everyone in DC are at their lowest in history because of partisan fighting (which has only been escalating of the last 15+ years). If you think a Clinton or McCain presidency will in any way reduce the fighting, I believe you are crazy. Barack Obama (notice the correct spelling) is the only hope we have for any significant reduction in the partisanship in DC, and therefore our only hope of real progress being made on the serious issues this country faces.
This country has been torn for so long about race and religion, it needs to stop. I should not be watching votes based on gender, race or religion. It makes our country look like we are racist to every other country who are closely looking at our presidential race to the white house. We should be ashamed to say we are a country of immigrants because we still base everything on race and religion. I have always admired Senator Clinton, until now. Obama"08"
I found Hillary's demeanor in the last debate deplorable. I expect she'll incorpoate that same nasty glare at him while he speaks...

PLEASE Johnny U.....

When he was speaking, she politely watched him....when she was speaking he doodled, looked around, did anything but pay attention.  

And that, my friend, was rude, no matter who you support.
Just look at these postings. It is a maze of Women bashing. Men afraid to admit maybe a woman could do it better. It is a good thing the women voters can vote alone in that booth.No men over there sholder makeing sure they do as told. Thats why Obama does so good in Cauces.The few dont get there real vote counted and have to ans for it if in wrong side. In that booth women you have the power to do as you want. Vote Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jane (Sent Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:13 AM)

So let me get this straight.  She's losing because:
-Red States are against her and don't count
-Small States are against her and don't count
-Caucus States are against her and don't count
-States that aren't closed to Dems only are against her and don't count (even though he has won more closed States than she's won total, and a majority of her's are open states)
-Blacks are against her and don't count
-Youth are against her and don't count
-Obama supporters are dillusional and are against her and don't count
and now
-Men are against her and don't count

So why should she be leader again?  Call be crazy, but I always thought a leader would be in it for everyone.  Not just the few that support them and agree with them.  Sounds like the President we have now...
It's really sad to see the former First Lady and US Senator resort to such lowhanded tactics. I'm afraid that she may have done some damage to her legacy. Though I am confident that Barack Obama can defeat the Bush-clone, John McCain, in November, we can thank her for giving the GOP ammunition against the Democratic nominee.
Senator Clinton has always believed that the nomination is somehow owed to her. In the beginning of her campaign, she believed that the race would be over by " Super Duper Tuesday ". Now, the tables have turned. Senator Clinton should bow out gracefully and not portray herself as a sore loser. A democratic ticket with Obama and Clinton on it was looking promising but, she obviously has no grace and she will never share the democratic ticket with her tactics. Senator Clinton reminds me of Bush, she never admits her mistakes and writes off anyone who disagrees with her. The war in Iraq was and is still a mistake and yet the republicans say, "It is working and progress is being made". Senator Clinton basically says the same thing when she says,"Her campaign is doing well". She will never admit mistakes or admit that her campaign is doing bad. Obama"08"
I find it funny how all these women are saying that men are bashing Hillary just because she is a woman.

I have to tell you it is not just men bashing her it is women too.  I am a single mother of 2 and I honestly believe that Hillary is showing the worst of what women are.  She wines when she doesn't win and blames is on everyone but herself - she scolds Obama "shame on you Barack Obama" like she is scolding a child.  "Lets Get Real" she is losing because she brings nothing new to the table - she offers us the same stuff that every politican has offered for the last 50 years.  

And while Obama might not have all the experience that she claims she does - some of us in this country would like to see things change for the better!! and yes we are willing to take a gamble on a junior senator from IL.  You all forget that this country was built on a risk - a risk that a bunch of people took to give us the rights and freedoms that we enjoy today!

So when you are sitting there come election day trying to figure out what happened to Hillary just remember she did it to herself - she offered us no hope and nothing to look forward to - So feel sorry for her if you like (that is what she wants) but know that while she is pouting at home we will all be looking toward the future!!!
The really sad part is that Senator Clinton is showing her true side. If she somehow steals the nomination, noone will vote for a person who said, "their state does not matter because she lost it or caucases do not matter". Who will vote for her in the general election? I would really appreciate the moderators of the debate tonight ask her that question and please, please do not let her take over the debate and answer everything but the question at hand. She has been very disrespectful in these debates to the moderators and to the people watching. Do not be scared of Senator Clinton and politely say "wait your turn and answer the question".
Whoever becomes the next president impacts canada. I would be "very" concerned" if Hillary ran the country when she can't even control her spending for her campaign. Heaven forbid, what would happen to the US if she became the leader. Also, there is so much hype about African-Americans and Hispanics,whatever became of the grassroots people, the first people in American, the INDIANS. I have not heard one "peep" on their opinions.  Are they going to be swept under the rug as usual? looks like it is.
Even if Obama gets the Nomination, Hillary supporters will NEVER SUPPORT THIS LIAR.  I will vote for McCain and alot of other democrats will do the same.  So, if you Obama robots think that Obama will have a Cake Walk into the Whitehouse just remember what the Media and Press is doing to Hillary they will be doing to Obama REAL SOON.
The nationwide campaigns of Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton are respectively the largest, most complex, resource consuming, people motivating, and open-ended efforts over which either one of them has ever before presided.  Obama’s has been an inspirational model of good governance; Clinton’s is a fractious mess.  How come her highly touted experience did not make a difference from day one?

Hillary supporters:  Have you noticed how she drops in the polls the more she campaigns in almost every state?


By November she will have no support anywhere.

It is time to end this thing.
It will be Hillarys fault when Obama loses to Mccain?How did you twist this little thought around in your head?What happened to yes we can,yes we can?Sure wish I could have had my voted counted in the primaries,but the obamanoids would walk over dead bodies to stop it.What makes you think that the gop does not have a treasure trove of crap that they will be throwing at obama?Get real
Sadly, being a woman who benefitted from the '60s legislation and all that, I'm afraid that Hillary's behavior over this last week has ruined, er, negated all benefits that we fought so hard to gain.  She seems to have slipped into the stereotypical mold that we, as women, are accused of, therefore, done more damage to the possibility of any future female candidate being viable (as stated above) on either side of the aisle.

The persona that may show up tonight (may even mend a couple of those wounds) cannot/will not be sustained for any length of time.  

A woman scorned....
(I think the men here know what that means)
Someone in my office isn't going to watch because he feels that it is going to be really bloody.  I think that he could be correct in that.  My question, and I suspect my co-worker's as well, is how much of this bashing will be used by the Republicans in November?  
Which Hillary will we see tonight? It depends on whether Chelsea's around to remind her to take her meds.  Bill doesn't seem responsible enough anymore to fill that slot.
And, no, it's not woman-bashing; Hillary has a ton of baggage that makes her unelectable (as all the polls show) and I want a Democrat in the White House.  I'd take a mixed-race transgendered former Republican if I thought he/she could win.  But Hillary can't, so let's be smart and not run her.
Good debaters take notes while the other person is speaking. They do it so that they can record their thoughts and provide a good response. If you really watch the debates, you notice that both Obama and Clinton have paper and pen and both of them take notes while the other is speaking. Watch tonight and you will see this happeing. They are not taking notes or "doodling" out of disrespect for the other candidate. I can assure you they are listening very intently to the things beind said. I'm sure you will see Mrs. Clinton taking notes again tonight.
Tonight would be the ideal venue for the Clinton's to conclude thier failed campaign & gracefully withdraw. But they won't as they're thouroughly graceless!
The more I think about this....I can only blame the state of New York for this....if they had pulled thier heads out of their butts and not voted her to the senate (she never cared about the state just wanted a bigger voting audience behind her when she ran for president) she wouldn't be running right now and we wouldn't have to put up with her crazy babble!
Give it up Hillary it' over. You can't run your campaign, you can't keep Bill away from women & you can't run the white house.


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