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The Buckeye brawl

Posted: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 9:17 AM by Domenico Montanaro

USA Today writes, “Aggressive cuts and thrusts over Iraq, health care and campaign tactics dominated the 20th and possibly final Democratic debate Tuesday as Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama angled for advantage a week before a crucial set of primaries.”

VIDEO: MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann talks to a political panel about Sen. Hillary Clinton’s response about her Iraq war vote as something she wishes she could take back.

The New York Times: “Questions about which approach Mrs. Clinton would take to sway voters were quickly answered as she immediately confronted Mr. Obama, and she was relentless throughout the meeting. She insisted on responding to virtually every point that he made - often interrupting the debate moderators, Brian Williams and Tim Russert of NBC, as they tried to move on. At the same time, it was one of the most detailed and specific of all the debates, with both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama giving long explanations of their records and views.”

The Los Angeles Times leads with the pledge from both Dems that they could opt out of NAFTA.

The Boston Globe: "At times last night, Clinton's frustration at her position was evident. Not 20 minutes into the debate, she expressed exasperation at being asked first about the North American Free Trade Agreement, an especially volatile issue in Ohio over which the two Democrats have tangled."

The AP: "The tone was polite yet pointed, increasingly so as the 90-minute session wore on, a reflection of the stakes in a race in which Obama has won 11 straight primaries and caucuses and Clinton is in desperate need of a comeback."

The Washington Post: "The tone of the debate was generally civil but rarely relaxed."

Reuters saw Clinton's difficulty in pronouncing Putin's successor's name, Dmitry Medvedev, as a problem for the former First Lady. "In a campaign where the New York senator and former first lady has stressed she is ready to serve as president from the first day, as opposed to Obama, the scene was reminiscent of past campaign debates where foreign policy missteps have hurt presidential candidates."

VIDEO: MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews discuss who won the MSNBC Democratic debate.

Time: "The 90-minute affair … had most of the same features we have come to expect of the last round of Clinton-Obama debates: strong jabs, deep dives into health care policy, pointed arguments over the meaning of words-and another cordial, high road finish." More: "At times, Obama showed a lawyer's flair for conceding the small points that aren't worth arguing about. This pattern was most visible in an unexpected exchange over whether Obama has sufficiently distanced himself from Louis Farrakhan's expressions of support for his candidacy. After Obama had said he has long denounced Farrakhan's anti-semitic statements, Clinton said Obama had to do more and flat-out reject his support. Obama, sensing a tiny opening that Clinton had carved in his performance, asked whether there was much of a semantic difference between the words "reject" and "denounce," but then defused the situation by ceding the point to Clinton and agreeing to do both."

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The debate was definitely not earth shattering, nor did the 'heavens part and there were no angelic choirs singing for either candidate'. What I think we all walked away with is that more debates will not help the public make up its mind at this time.

Those who are for HRC or Obama remain staunch supporters; there may have been slight shifts or sifting which may have taken place but nothing dramatic.

I would give the edge to Obama on a few points.

Hillary should not have complained about receiving the first question as it actually gave her leverage and quoting the SNL line seemed whinny and by the reaction from the audience was not well received. Either she is being poorly advised or her attempt at being spontaneous is NOT working.

When prompted on being transparent and making public her and Bill's tax returns as well as the Whitehouse records she appeared uncomfortable and evasive. Personally, there may be nothing there however she never stated a definite date and offered vague efforts to comply sometime in the future. She needs to understand that when she accuses Obama of using Rove/Bush tactics, by not being quick to disclose her finances she displaying a Bush-like refusal to inform the public and this is hypocritical on her part and casts a shadow of suspicion.

When Obama was queried regarding Louis Farrakhan’s support, he was clear and direct about his denouncing what the minister’s position has been and dismissed it. Even when his own minister was referred to he was clear that he wanted to mend and strengthen the breach between African Americans and members of the Jewish community. He had completed his reply and Hillary appeared to trip up trying to grab the opportunity to turn the question around so that she could appear to be better then Obama. She referenced the election in NYS and the Independence Party support which she rejected. Her attempt to slap Obama down failed as Obama calmly took her comments and stated that both ‘denounce’ and ‘reject’ applied and showed that as a leader he could compromise and concede a point.

Obama was able to score points on the Iraq vote by alluding to bus being driven to the ditch and by disarming the comments on ‘bombing Pakistan’ –

All in all Obama continued to get more and more comfortable and appeared presidential while the Clinton campaign appears desperate and inconsistent as far message and style.


Hillary Clinton is a Methodist.  The United Methodist Church has called for "divestment" in companies that do substantial business in the West Bank.  Earlier this month, the Methodist Church released a "Israel/Palestine Mission Study," in which Jews are called "monsters."  Why is no one asking Hillary to "reject" and "renounce" the public pronouncements of her church and clergy?

If you don't believe me, check out what the ADL has to say about it:

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/IslME_62/5233_62.htm
A of Illinois,  what are you talking about.  I am black and American.  Being American to me comes first. Right now it is about the American people of all races, color, greed, etc.  Don't speak for anyone except yourself. As you have no idea about the black community no more than I..Barak Obama doesn't owe any specific group of people anything.  When he becomes President he will owe only his devotion to the well being of the American people. That he will represent which will include all Americans.  Get over the racial overtones and get a clue.
The debate was definitely not earth shattering, nor did the 'heavens part and there were no angelic choirs singing for either candidate'. What I think we all walked away with is that more debates will not help the public make up its mind at this time.

Those who are for HRC or Obama remain staunch supporters; there may have been slight shifts or sifting which may have taken place but nothing dramatic.

I would give the edge to Obama on a few points.

Hillary should not have complained about receiving the first question as it actually gave her leverage and quoting the SNL line seemed whinny and by the reaction from the audience was not well received. Either she is being poorly advised or her attempt at being spontaneous is NOT working.

When prompted on being transparent and making public her and Bill's tax returns as well as the Whitehouse records she appeared uncomfortable and evasive. Personally, there may be nothing there however she never stated a definite date and offered vague efforts to comply sometime in the future. She needs to understand that when she accuses Obama of using Rove/Bush tactics, by not being quick to disclose her finances she displaying a Bush-like refusal to inform the public and this is hypocritical on her part and casts a shadow of suspicion.

When Obama was queried regarding Louis Farrakhan’s support, he was clear and direct about his denouncing what the minister’s position has been and dismissed it. Even when his own minister was referred to he was clear that he wanted to mend and strengthen the breach between African Americans and members of the Jewish community. He had completed his reply and Hillary appeared to trip up trying to grab the opportunity to turn the question around so that she could appear to be better then Obama. She referenced the election in NYS and the Independence Party support which she rejected. Her attempt to slap Obama down failed as Obama calmly took her comments and stated that both ‘denounce’ and ‘reject’ applied and showed that as a leader he could compromise and concede a point.

Obama was able to score points on the Iraq vote by alluding to bus being driven to the ditch and by disarming the comments on ‘bombing Pakistan’ –

All in all Obama continued to get more and more comfortable and appeared presidential while the Clinton campaign appears desperate and inconsistent as far message and style.
All of MSNBC (including Tim Russert) act like they work for the Obama campaign. They are so biased in favor of him. Just listen to Chris Matthews for 5 minutes. You can tell they hate Hillary. Where is the fair reporting? Where are the ethics?

Go to CNN.



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