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First thoughts: 'Civil' War

Posted: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 9:18 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro

CLEVELAND -- Last night’s debate here had a very tense feel to it -- the combination of two very competitive Democratic candidates, two very tough questioners, it being the final showdown until the March 4 primaries, and there being so much at stake. Bottom line: Both Clinton and Obama were put on the spot and survived. Clinton came armed with her own material on Obama’s record (including some new hits like the lack of hearings on his Senate subcommittee) and tried to keep him on the defensive, but he handled the pressure. Obama might have had more negative YouTube moments than Clinton, because of the initial waffle on the Farrakhan answer (though he did clean it up pretty well) and his look to Clinton to answer the Russia question first; it was clear Obama didn't want first dibs on that question. But Clinton didn’t hit that question out of the park, either. She had the chance to show her real foreign policy chops and didn’t. And her answers on releasing her IRS records (don’t she and Bill have an accountant?) and releasing her White House schedules weren’t that strong.

VIDEO: NBC Political Director Chuck Todd offers his first read on how Hillary Clinton's Saturday Night Live comment had a greater point in last night's debate.

*** It wasn’t a game-changer: Given those things, it's hard to see last night’s debate as changing the trajectory of this race, and that’s ultimately good news for the front-runner Obama. He was a bit more defensive last night than last week and had more stumbles than in more recent encounters. But there was a reason for that: He received some very tough questions. The Farrakhan one put him between a rock (Jewish voters) and a hard place (some African-American ones), and the Russia question had the potential of making him look small compared with Clinton -- if she had nailed the question. But she didn’t. Clinton really flubbed that "SNL" line. Like the “Xerox” one from last week, it seemed rehearsed. And to echo NBC’s David Gregory, what’s wrong with getting the first question? It allows one to set the tone of the debate…

VIDEO: MSNBC’s Chris Matthews tells Keith Olbermann that Sen. Barack Obama’s thrill factor is missing in his debates and is only visible in his speeches.

*** A “civil” war: It was a contentious but civil debate (South Carolina seems so long ago). And no matter who ends up winning, both will probably be better nominees for it. It's hard to pick a winner. Clinton was more prepared, but Obama survived under some tough questions from the moderators and volleys from Clinton, and that's probably the name of the game for him at this late date in the campaign. And a final point: Obama being seated really helps him. He doesn’t have to shout into a microphone. He can deliver his subtle zingers, but with a calm, collected tone. Now on to the contests in Ohio, Texas, Rhode Island, and Vermont

*** Obama's financial advantage: Watching local TV here in Ohio, it feels like Obama has a 4-to-1 advantage -- with SEIU, UFCW and Obama just blitzing the airwaves compared with Clinton. It's happening in all four states. In fact, per TV ad expert Evan Tracey, Obama has outspent Clinton $23 million to $14 million in the last 30 days. How is she expected to hold a big lead if she gets outspent this badly? The third party groups are like salt in the Clinton wound.

*** I’m sorry, so sorry, please accept my apology: McCain apologizing yesterday after a radio host who introduced the Arizona senator referred to Obama as “Barack Hussein Obama” was another reminder of how many apologies we’ve seen in this race -- many of them to Obama. Off the top of our head, there was Biden (for the “clean” and “articulate” remark), Billy Shaheen (for wondering if Obama ever sold drugs), Bob Johnson (another drugs reference), and now McCain (for the shock jock’s “Barack Hussein Obama” line). It reflects just how hard it is to run against Obama. As Peggy Noonan wrote earlier in the month, “Hillary is the easier candidate, Mr. Obama the tougher. Hillary brings negative; it's fair to hit her back with negative. Mr. Obama brings hope, and speaks of a better way. He's not Bambi, he's bulletproof.” NBC’s Abby Livingston also makes this observation: While some Clinton surrogates were late to apologize to Obama, McCain did it very quickly. If the Clintons -- of all people -- can get into trouble with African Americans for statements about Obama, then just think of some of the troubles McCain might have. 

VIDEO: A campaign speaker's attack on Barack Obama before a John McCain rally prompted an apology from the Arizona senator. NBC's Kelly O'Donnell reports.

*** On the trail: Clinton attends an “Economic Solutions Summit” in Zanesville, OH, then campaigns in St. Clairsville, OH; Obama holds a rally in Columbus and then campaigns in Duncanville, TX, and San Marcos, TX; McCain also campaigns in Texas, including town halls in Tyler and San Antonio, and two fundraisers in Houston; and Bill Clinton makes five stops in the Lone Star State, hitting early voting events in Houston and Austin and a rally at the University of Texas at Austin.

Countdown to Ohio and Texas: 6 days
Countdown to Election Day 2008: 251 days
Countdown to Inauguration Day 2009: 328 days

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I found it amusing that Chris Matthew’s belittled Obama’s performance as dull.  I view this debate format, and Q&A sessions he faces in press conferences, as more of a 2-way mode of conversation.  I view him being in a mutually interactive and trying to communicate thoughts.  Granted, he is at his best when he is allowed to speak to thousands of people in a big crowd, but why is there concern when he is not in that situation?  I find his manner in these debates very collegiate and academic, and it is a characteristic that I believe is far superior to others.

Why fault a Ferrari that gets stuck in traffic?  Sure it is built for the open spaces, but sometimes you just get stuck in traffic.
I don't understand why Hillary would claim to be a victim of getting the first question too many times.
It's hard for Obama to be thrilling when he's up against Clinton... he can't really use rhetoric right next to her detailed answers on everything. That would just highlight the fact that she just knows more. Of course knowledge is not an automatic substitute for good judgement, but good judgement is tough to telegraph during a debate.

Everyone has an opinion -- http://www.nationalscold.com
As expected, Senator Clinton was "Glenda the Good Witch" for the most part last night.

However, her prolonged debate on health care (stating nothing she hasn't said in the other 19 debates) in defiance of Williams and Russert was poor form.  16 minutes on healthcare most likely prevented further discussion on some other issues on which she'd probably have liked to have gone after Senator Obama regarding.

The SNL moment was a train wreck...her complaints made her come across as a petulant child.  If debate is her strong suit then she should know better than to think she has anything to gain by travelling down that path.

On NAFTA, Senator Clinton still hasn't distanced herself enough from the issue.  And, did she really suggest that failure to create 5 million jobs in New York was due solely to Al Gore's failure to win the 2000 election?

Senator Obama waffled on the Farrakhan question?  How so?  He took no position he hasn't taken in the past and if anything the question did nothing to help Senator Clinton as she came across as wonkish by playing the semantics game...remember how the "definition of 'is'" moment played for President Clinton?

When pressed on the issue of releasing tax returns Senator Clinton flunked badly.  She complained that it would take time to get the records together and she was busy at the moment.  Huh?  That's what you have accountants for.  She swung and missed on that issue.

Hey, maybe Senator Clinton won on points but she certainly did nothing to change the course of her campaign.  Senator Obama did nothing to sink his own campaign.

Sorry, but this looks like game, set and match.
I thought that SNL did a great parody but did a dis-service to CNN. The parody should have directed at MSNBC.  Sorry, SNL is run on NBC!

The comedy team of Chris and Keith wasted no time in going after Clinton within seconds of their "analysis".

Good for Hillary to point out that first questions were almost always directed at her.  When that happens it allows more time to Obama to formulate an answer. That is not fair in a debate.


Did it appear to you that in their "analysis", just about anything that Clinton said was turned back on her - not so for Obama.
I thought that Obama looked very presidential.  He did what he had to do in this debate.  If he was too aggressive with Hillary he would have engendered a women's sympathy vote and right now he wants to continue eating away at her core base of women supporters.

He was very prepared and most importantly got the concept across that she was complicit in supporting GWB's war.  This was why she felt pressure to declare that the Iraq war vote was the one which she wished that she could take back.

Obama's momentum will remain unchecked.  He will win Texas by 5% and Ohio will be close (actually this close race will be a win for him, no matter the actual outcome, because he will have closed a 20 point gap in 2 weeks).  The contest for the nomination will all be over on the 5th of March and hopefully the Clintons will provide a real service to the party and to the country, by uniting with enthusiasm behind Barack as the Democratic candidate.  

We need to change the tone of American foreign policy and start work on a truly progressive domestic agenda.  Barack will be able to achieve this two pronged agenda.  His world view will be well appreciated by our allies and disarming for our enemies.  His ability to build consensus will bring victory on the domestic front.  Additionally the candidacy of Barack Obama will greatly enlarge the Democratic majority in the House and Senate.
Obama '08
Personally I thought the debate format was exceptional. I like the fact that MSNBC had the guts to ask the tough questions and not skirt around it like the other debates. Let the candidates answer the questions directly and do not let them skirt around it like they have done for so long. Its time we had more debates like this. I would have also preferred that the candidates had more time to respond to issues. I think that for future debates, it should focus on 3 or 4 specific issues and let the candidates have about 20 - 30 mins on each of the issues. I as a concerned citizen would like to know the stances of the candidates on certain things in great detail than know just a tiny bit about everything they  might ever believe in.
The reason people are apologizing to Senator Obama is because they are taking cheap shots. Nobody is forcing them to apologize.

The real problem is that the message that Senators McCain and Clinton are running on is not as clear and forceful as Senator Obama's, so they try to bring him down to make themselves look bigger. And it's just not working.
Obama won the debate because he told the truth, issue after issue.
While Hillary continues to state and demonstrate that she is a fighter, the most important attribute of a fighter is knowing who, when and why to fight. On this matter, she has completely lost her way. She should learn a lesson from Senator Chris Dodd, who also was a highly qualified candidate for the nomination. After not gaining the nomination, he had the character to do the right thing and support the candidate most able to win the November election and begin the recovery America urgently needs. Senator Dodd was the biggest winner of the day.
Obama clearly won this debate. Hill whined about questions, format and then tried to use her gender to make her seem different. Guess what Hill.
We all know you are a woman.
Obama slammed her on Foreign policy as well as other things.
She looked mean, tired and was twisting like a pretzel.
Hillary needss to learn to be more civil in her language and emotional use.

She said Shame on You Barack Obama, in the presence of her supporters.

Now the supporters are saying Shame on You Hillary Clinton and they are shifting to Obama.

Hillary needss to learn to be more civil in her language and emotional use.

She said Shame on You Barack Obama, in the presence of her supporters.

Now the supporters are saying Shame on You Hillary Clinton and they are shifting to Obama.

for chris matthews to compare speeches to debates is absurd. they are totally different venues. chris at times is so enamored with jimself that logic escapes him. i don't think either candidate won this debate. that said, it means that hillary didn't alter the course of the momentum that has mounted in favor of obama.

bill clinton is now suggesting that she doesn't have to win texas and ohio. he has said that if she wins ohio hillary can be the nominee. it is amazing that after 11 victories by the obama campaign, hillary is still in this thing. if obama had lost 3 in a row they would have been calling for him to stop running for the benefit of the party.

i think hillary should recognize that the media has kept her in this battle and stop biting the hand that is actually keeping her campaign alive.

I think either one of the dem candidates is better than john mccain. i don't see her stopping obama's ascension to the nomination.

some of that is her own fault because of her campaign strategy and some of it is because obama has kicked that butt.
The entire format of this particular debate was dull.  The lighting in the building was too low and they controlled prevented the audience from showing agreement with the candidate by clapping their hands.  I think CNN put on much better debates than MSNBC.
If mathews said that it is the first negative thing he has said about saint obama this year...that guy has turned into an unabashed obama flag waver and certified clinton hater...same thing with mika the russky on morning schmoe
I said elsewhere on this site that Sen. Obama is the underdog until he either goes home or to the White House, whichever comes first.  Most of the post-debate comments, I opine, confirm this by overplaying Clinton's effectiveness. It is absolute nonsense to posit that the establishment, which includes the media, is, let's call it, obamafied.
I agree, this is a debate, not a rally. the tone is and should be more subdued. I found that Barack spoke extremely well on his issues, didnt "whine" about being picked on or not going first. what ever happened to shivilry(spelling?) isnt it appropriate for the lady to go first. If she was truely a proven leader of our country she would have set the tone of this debate by going first and hit hard on her agenda and issues rather than complaining about it, then trying another pre written of collar comment from SNL.
Chris Matthews is just trying to sound as though he is being hard on Obama so the hard core Hillary fans don't blame his show sometimes sexist comments for her lost. After all David Shuester is from Hardball and Chris Matthews has already had to apoligize to the Clinton camp.
Three points have stayed with me regarding the debate:
Obama's HUGE gaffe on once again resorting to "I agree w/Hillary" re: the Putin question. He was WAY out of his league on that one.
Obama's waffling on flat-out rejecting Farrakhan. For that matter, he needs to reject his pastor, as well. They are scary scary people!
What's with him being busy running for President and not actually earning his salary...if his subcommittee could do SOMETHING to help the situation in Afghanistan, then why the hell isn't he doing something? Anything? TSK TSK
I took great offense at how Obama pandered to the Jewish voters. Shame on him!
I am completely amazed that people have fallen for this hope hype. Obama is a complete windbag and ill-prepared to deal with the realities of POTUS.

Free Solutions!
Keep the change!

Hillary Clinton 2008!
Three points have stayed with me regarding the debate:
Obama's HUGE gaffe on once again resorting to "I agree w/Hillary" re: the Putin question. He was WAY out of his league on that one.
Obama's waffling on flat-out rejecting Farrakhan. For that matter, he needs to reject his pastor, as well. They are scary scary people!
What's with him being busy running for President and not actually earning his salary...if his subcommittee could do SOMETHING to help the situation in Afghanistan, then why the hell isn't he doing something? Anything? TSK TSK
I took great offense at how Obama pandered to the Jewish voters. Shame on him!
I am completely amazed that people have fallen for this hope hype. Obama is a complete windbag and ill-prepared to deal with the realities of POTUS.

Free Solutions!
Keep the change!

Hillary Clinton 2008!
Three points have stayed with me regarding the debate:
Obama's HUGE gaffe on once again resorting to "I agree w/Hillary" re: the Putin question. He was WAY out of his league on that one.
Obama's waffling on flat-out rejecting Farrakhan. For that matter, he needs to reject his pastor, as well. They are scary scary people!
What's with him being busy running for President and not actually earning his salary...if his subcommittee could do SOMETHING to help the situation in Afghanistan, then why the hell isn't he doing something? Anything? TSK TSK
I took great offense at how Obama pandered to the Jewish voters. Shame on him!
I am completely amazed that people have fallen for this hope hype. Obama is a complete windbag and ill-prepared to deal with the realities of POTUS.

Free Solutions!
Keep the change!

Hillary Clinton 2008!
This is just a comparative analogy: Chris Mathews is like a prostitute who would strip for anyone who pays.

Journalists have to be fair and balanced, but they also have convictions and values. Chris Mathews seems to have lost it all lately. I've had enough of the Hillary and Mathews love story.

Which makes me puke when I hear people say Hillary has been over-scrutinized and Obama not. I didn't see anything in the media about Hillary's attack on a 12-year old girl's credibility in a rape case, their investments in the Cayman Islands, income from a Kazakhstan uranium deal, the presidential donors story, her role on the board of Wal Mart, her tax returns, her earmarks, etc have all been under-reported.
Am I the only one who thought Williams and Russert got in the way of this debate?  Williams insistance on being able to ask his second question when the candidates wanted to compare health care plans was particularly irritating.  I'd like to hear them explain their differences, but Williams wants to hear himself talk, and show how clever he can be.  His question didn't justify cutting off the discussion.  Russert is like an attack dog that never gives up and doesn't listen to what his questionees are saying.  Stop trying to be the stars of the show and let the candidates speak.
I really wish they would get more aggressive moderators for debates.  Tim Russert is good, but so many others just won't push for an answer.  Too many times Clinton is asked a question and she spends two lines on it then takes a left turn into something completely off topic.

I want to see Chris Matthews and Keith Oberman host an NBC debates, and Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck to host the CNN debates.  No holds barred.  Let the moderators really ask the tough questions and make them answer them.

And start asking questions on the important topics.  The top issue among most people right now is the Economy, and not a single question was asked on the Economy at all.  Nothing on our crumbling infrastructure.  Nothing on wasteful spending in Washington.

I'd love to see Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck really tear into these candidates on the tough issues.
Here's a new line for Barack Obama to use on the stump, or in a debate with John McCain, based on some recent science news:

"Scientists have recently determined that dinosaurs roamed near the nation's capital during the Cretaceous period. Well, I'd say there are still a few of them there." (Use to segue into normal shtick about the failed policies of the past.)

Just for fun. :-)

(reference: http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/02/26/washington-dc-dinosaurs.html)
Hillary did a fantastic job last night.  barack hussien (and I will use his middle name and no apologies)was just so-so.  I think if everyone was fair, they would have to say that Hillary is the most experienced and the most presidential.  Again, I will say if barack hussien gets the nod from the democrat party, then I will either be a stay-at-home democrat, a Nader tater, or a Democrat for McCain.  I will not vote for barack hussien.  GO HILLARY!
I was very shocked when McCain apologized for those comments.  I thought that was great.  Not sure if or how much if Obama is the nominee, will he still keep that mentality, but I found new respect for McCain.

I guess with all the slash and burn politics, that was very refreshing.  

My major bitch with the MSNBC after debate "nettering classes" is the total lack of any pretence of fairness. If you are not anti Hillary, you have about as much chance of being heard, as a snowballs chance in hell
It seems MSNBC pundits got the directive to be tough on Obama because of critics on the comedy show SNL.
Obama is presidential and so is Hillary.  This country really needs a Democratic President, BAD.
If a Republican gets back in the corporations will finish us off once and for all.
Watch for more Endorsement's coming for Barack between now & next Tuesday. Hillary Has zero of any significance since super tuesday.The Democratic Party has selected our nominee & it's Barack Obama.Get back in the Senate Hillary & mend your fences with the voter's of New York.
Freedom of Speech is a right given to each of us( even Farrakhan), so he was Protecting the Concstitution with his answer.
She moaned about being asked 1st, however Video shows Her standing behind Barack on the Senate floor waiting on him to cast a vote on Iraq. Bingo, you guessed it, she voted the same way.Stop the Whining Hillary.
Barack's campaign has been Publicly Financed( by the people) this whole campaign, why should he change what's evidently working so well.
Gotcha Politic's are vanishing thank's to the voter's. Well Done America!


Barack Obama, the next POTUS!
Chuck, NY
Your fractured & pedestrian explanation of why Obama got his doors blown in last night reminds of Bea Arthur's line from "History of The World Part 1."
She played an unemployment clerk in midevil times who was processing Mel Brooks application for benefits.
When he told her his occupation was "philosopher" she proclaimed "Ohhhh, you're a B.S. artist," and then asked..."did you B.S. last week?"..."did you TRY to B.S. last week?"

I particularly liked the  statement by Obama, that he would be more than willing to sit down with Hillary Clinton to work out the how. I think that this is a good indication of this mans willingness to get the job done in the best interest of the people. Let us not mistake this for a weakness( as in lack of experience or naivite) but a strength that is based in a clear belief that he there to serve the American people.
I was disappointed not at the candidates but at the moderators, they could of ased more interesting questions. to blame the candidates for not making this debates interesting is unfair, they are just answering the questions. i think they could of asked Mr. Obama what does he mean by special interests? They could of asked him about where the other 10% of his campaing momey comes from. What about the bankers that are supporting Obama don't they have special interests as well.
I don't see why people are so shocked with Chris Matthew's dinging Obama.  Chris in my opinion has always been biased towards Hillary Clinton, he picked her to win the nomination early last year.  When MSNBC's text vote poll about who won the debate came in with 70 percent for Obama he tried to dismiss it as young people are more likely to text.  I believe it was at least 89000 people who text their vote. Even this morning on the MSNBC website people are still saying he won overwhelmingly.  I think the media is so excited about the democratic nomination they want to see it continue beyond 4 Mar 08 and are saying things in hopes of faciliting that; unfortunately for them I do not think it's going to happen let's get ready for the general election.
I did not see Obama as having more negative moments.

The Farrahkan deal was just dumb.  It was a quarrel over nothing.  Hillary was quarreling with herself.

The whole whiney SNL and first question stuff had nothing to do with anything.  

I am an Obama supporter, but I honestly did not see her as very good at all.  I think we saw why the more she campaigns the further behind she gets.  She doen't wear well.

It is time for us to join together and look toward November now.  I hope Hillary's supporters will take a good second look at Obama and join us.
Does anyone notice how hard the Hillary supporters are working today?  They're out in force saying things like "Grand slam home run" or "Huge win for my gal."

But how could any neutral observer of this debate see anything better than a tie for her?  Not only did she not score any unsettling blows to Barack, she's taken on some damage that will live long after the debate.

She finally actually said she voted incorrectly on Iraq and "wanted the vote back," and at the same time lying, saying "I've said it many times."  She now has to release her tax returns, and the press will hound her until she does.  Afterwards, they'll pounce and it will be the subject of big stories for days.

Obama got a nick in his paint with the Farrakhan flap, but he turned the tables in the end, making Hillary look picky and silly.  Clinton stupidly pounced on the tough Russia question, and I'm amazed she didn't say, "Barack, why don't you take this one?" (with a sly grin).  Would have been a huge score, and if Obama stumbled or stuttered (which was likely), she could have stepped in to save him.

What we saw last night was the end of her campaign.  She came up to bat last in the bottom of the ninth, down by many runs.  She needed base runners and then a homer to stay in the game, and instead, she grounded out weakly to the second baseman.  Soon she'll give the traditional World Series loser's speech that goes something like "It was a great honor just to get to the Series.  We'll work hard and will get back next time."

Kind of sad, actually.  The heavily favored team came in over-confident and was beaten by the spunky wild card.
Obama is a real gentleman. Very refreshing.  Regarding McCain's rally yesterday and Cunningham's intro, it is very naive at best to think that McCain didn't know what kind of trash mouth this guy would be. Of course he knew. Classic, "good cop/bad cop stunt".
I am afraid Chris is bowing to the Clinton machine. They have called him on being anti-woman already and he is running scared. I think this is a shame because he is my favorite guy on MSNBC and I watch every day.
On the trail: Clinton attends an “Economic Solutions Summit” in Zanesville, OH

Maybe to discuss the local benifits of NAFTA ????
old fatfaced russert could not wait to attack clinton---watch his face.was glad she brough up why is she always asked questions.After 3 she finally said something.The reason they question her first is so obama can just say "me 2"I agree with Hillary.Why hasn't he started holding meetings about afghanastan?Same reason he did not attend the black conference---he cannot do 2 things at the same time---so screw our military in afghanistan it is more important that he campaigns.Sounds like another george bush to me.Besides he already knows that Mika,Matthews and all the gasbags are in the tank for him why should he care.What is the big deal about the picture we have seen many politicians wearing ceremonial garb.
Sorry Hillary, you're just not likable
That's why Bill is always wandering

Maybe that's why they ask you the first question 'all the time' (?)

Whining about this, complaining about that.....

Little miss 'Smarty Boots'....
Sorry, you're NOT PRESIDENTIAL

Obama was

End of story

Better just hope you can retain your Senate seat next cycle. Apparently, your ratings have gone down among New York voters.......

It's the Kucinich effect
People are getting wise to the fact that you used the New York Senate seat as a 'stepping stone' to the Presidency.
You were just using the people of New York to further your personal ambitions

See how much luck you have in 2016 running against Vice President Janet Napolitano.....   ;-D
It's interesting to read the 'instant blogging' reviews the morning after - after one has had time to digest the whole debate.  The debate is the sum of all the 'parts'- not a play by play.  In my opinion, Senator Obama was so much sharper last night than even a week ago - he's deft, agile and willing to return the punch if needed.  Senator Clinton has yet to find the right message, the right tone, and yes - the right answers.  How easy did she get off on the full disclosure questions????  It becomes more obvious every day that Barack Obama has got everything it takes to be President of our country - and most importantly, he has empowered the people of America to believe once again that they can and should have a say in their government.
The MSNBC debate commentary last night was really strange. It's like they're gun shy now to say anything bad about Hillary and were grasping for anything negative on Obama.

What on earth was Rachel Maddow talking about? She thought the debate was grim and demoralizing and would deflate the Dems?  Was that before or after Obama reached 1 million donors?
maybe Matthews did not get the thrill up the leg last night--go figure.Does it matter?He still got his shots in at Hillary.And Mika and Joe followed up with a lot of bad Hillary remarks.
maybe someone should be addressing the fact that oil prices are skyrocketing despite plentiful supplies, the dollar is worthless which keeps oil prices high because they are based on the dollar, inflation is out of control, the dollar is devalued because the fed keeps cutting interest rates, and fed just announced it plans to cut rates yet again making the dollar worth even less, this is going to get ugly, someone needs to something, although at this point it is too late, has anyone else noticed this trend? I am afraid obama is going to inherit a mess, the bushies are going to milk what they can out of the country while they can, the republicans have completely destroyed our economy, they should really keep their mouth shut about their economic savvy, they have none
Chuck NY:

Matthews wants and thrives on controversy. He wanted to see a real brawl so he would have something to report on, to gossip about over the next few nights.  The fact that Hillary did ok and Obama was not dull but rahter kept his cool and also did well changes nothing on the political scene regarding Hillary's need to score a knock out punch, which she did not.
I found both candidates to be superb in their debate. Chris Matthews tends to like to hear himself speak and doesn't even allow his guests to express a clear concise answer. His comments seemed to be an attempt to difuse the comments that he is pro Obama.Although Mrs. Clinton did very well, I don't think she stopped Obama's momentum and will be soundly defeated. There is a move toward a change and she represents the past. Not her fault, it is what it is.  
Obama is 'inevitable'


From Campaign Diaries:

'...Obama's train starts leaving the station, as Clinton's support erodes

Chris Dodd became the first former Democratic presidential candidate to endorse today, as he rallied behind his party's frontrunner. The reasons he gave were not necessarily that he wants Obama to be president more than Hillary, but rather that the train is leaving the station and slowing it down will only hurt Democrats in the fall: "It is now the hour to come together. I believe the hour has come now for us to make that choice – to stand up and say we’re going to get behind this candidacy... I don't want a campaign that is only divisive here, and there’s a danger of it becoming that."

Chris Dodd's endorsing Obama will have no significance in Ohio and Texas and the only state it could have mattered at all (CT) voted weeks ago. But the language he uses and the timing of his announcement exemplify why Clinton is so weak right now. Not only is she trailing in the delegate count, but she has to fight Obama's growing inevitability argument to prevent too many people from rallying behind him thinking that the primary is over. This is the position that she was in back in the fall, when she was picking up endorsement after endorsement. And now the roles have reversed, making it very difficult for Hillary to hope for a comeback.

To make matters worse, polls are continuing to show an erosion of her support in March 4th states, both in Ohio and in Texas. Yesterday, Obama took his first leads in Texas while Clinton kept a high single-digit advantage in Ohio. Today, three new polls underscore how close Clinton is to being forced out of the race:


In Ohio, Rasmussen has Clinton up 48% to 43%. A few days ago, Clinton's lead was 8%, and that was already a drop in support. It seems that Obama's campaigning on NAFTA is working, as an overwhelming majority think that he is opposed to NAFTA while the verdict is split about Clinton's position.

In Texas, meanwhile, it seems safe to say that Clinton is no longer the favorite. In the latest PPP survey, the two candidates are tied at 48%, though Hillary leads 52% to 44% among registered Democrats and is not weakening at all among Hispanics (68%). But Obama is getting strong results among Republicans and independents who, PPP notes, "plan to vote in the Democratic primary because of John McCain's status as the presumptive nominee."

Finally, SUSA gives the Texas lead to Obama, 49% to 45%, a 9 point swing in his favor in a week. Obama is picking up grounds among most groups, and holds Hillary to 52% among Hispanics.
Update: Add one more poll showing Clinton's support eroding. SUSA came out with its latest Ohio poll, and shows Clinton up 50% to 44%, holding firm thanks to a 22% lead among women (and a 37% gender gap). Two weeks ago, Clinton led by 17%. Last week, she led by 9%.
As I often note, don't forget that Obama will likely get more delegates out of Texas than his percentage would suggest, so even a 1% lead would give him a significant delegate lead -- and that's not even accounting for the caucuses. Clinton has to change the dynamics of this campaign in the final week in a dramatic way, and things like Chris Dodd's endorsement of the Illinois Senator underscore the challenge she faces that she first needs to explain how she can still win the nomination and try to slow down the Obama coronation....'

Obama is 'INEVITABLE'  !!

Meet your next President:   BARACK OBAMA !


Practice saying it,        President Obama,

President Obama, President Obama

"It reflects just how hard it is to run against Obama."
--It's really not that hard (well it is based on his ideas, political savvy, and common sense/realistic attitude) to run against Obama, just don't make baseless accusations 'regarding drug use' or 'Muslim heritage'--not that hard.  Run a clean campaign (see Sen. Clintons downfall).  McCain showed some real class by denouncing the comments and accepting responsibility right away, rather than waiting the 24 hours like some other Democratic challengers.  I think Biden's comments got to the PR police, and African Americans reacting to everything is just ridiculous and doesn't help their cause--whatever that is.


The conservative right will only hurt themselves by making said comments.  They will make the party appear bigoted, and people won't vote for a bigoted party, because they won't wish to appear/feel bigoted themselves.
After 20 debates not sure what voters got out of this one that they did not in other debates. Given that nominees close on issues, voters will be voting for the individual they connect with, for whatever reason. Love Hate or other.

Who do you believe won the MSNBC Democratic Debate in Cleveland Ohio?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1788

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