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Team Clinton, the day after the debate

Posted: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 2:58 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC's Mark Murray
After all of the various questions and candidate disagreements from last night's debate -- over NAFTA, health care, Iraq, Russia, Farrakhan -- the Clinton camp has seized on something the New York senator herself brought up: the lack of hearings at the subcommittee Obama took over in 2007.

"Last night, we saw a glimpse of the real Barack Obama – the Barack Obama who became chair of a national security subcommittee, put it on his resume, but did not hold a single oversight hearing because he was too busy running for president; the Barack Obama who spends his time talking about change you can believe in instead of change you actually can count on. Given the opportunity to take the reins of leadership and shape two critical areas of U.S. foreign policy -- Afghanistan and our alliances in Europe -- Senator Obama has done next to nothing."

Here is how Obama responded last night: "I became chairman of this committee at the beginning of this campaign, at the beginning of 2007. So, it is true that we haven't had oversight hearings on Afghanistan. I have been very clear in talking to the American people about what I would do with respect to Afghanistan. I think we have to have more troops there to bolster the NATO effort."

Below is the entire Clinton memo...

To: Interested Parties
From: The Clinton Campaign
RE: Talk v. Action
Date: February 27, 2007

Barack Obama has presented himself as a unique political figure who says what he means and does what he says.

Last night, we saw a glimpse of the real Barack Obama – the Barack Obama who became chair of a national security subcommittee, put it on his resume, but did not hold a single oversight hearing because he was too busy running for President; the Barack Obama who spends his time talking about change you can believe in instead of change you actually can count on.

Given the opportunity to take the reins of leadership and shape two critical areas of U.S. foreign policy -- Afghanistan and our alliances in Europe -- Senator Obama has done next to nothing.

As chairman of a key Senate Foreign Relations subcommittee, Senator Obama had an opportunity to assert his leadership and set an agenda for America to help address the war in Afghanistan and strengthen some of our most important alliances.

But by his own admission, he was too busy running for President to conduct a single substantive hearing of the committee he chairs. So he would rather talk about what he would do rather than do it through the responsibility he had.

Hillary Clinton doesn't just WANT the job of President. She wants TO DO the job or President.
 
How can we tell what Barack Obama would be like as president if he did not carry out his responsibility here?

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They are just holding on to straw here... Obama will hold more hearing after the primary.
Grasping at straws....
This is a red herring by the campaign. If Senator Clinton wanted to do the job why did she not vote on the very important telecom Bill when she was in Washington DC a few weeks ago. This is the bill that was related to the wire tapping and not giving telecom compannies immunity for things they did that were illegal before the current bill passed. BOTH Senator Obama and McCain took the time to come and vote on this important legislation but Clinton had opther things to do.

You cannot tell me that something did or did not happen because there were no hearings as we have seen in recent weeks with the baseball steroid hearings just because you have hearings doesnt mean they are important or get anything done.

In addition, Senator Clinton says she is too busy to release her tax returns so please do not use the fact that Seantor is too busy running for president as a political line.

I am so disgusted with how we Americans go about electing our leaders. You read most of the posts here and you’d think that somehow, all of us were marched into a brainwashing chamber to suck out all of our thoughts. Clinton supporters absolutely refuse to fathom anybody else but her in the presidency. Nobody uses sentences like “I like her ideas better”. We resort to infantile nonsense like “Obama is an idiot; he is a Muslim trying to destroy America”. Come on people, with all these energy crawling out of our poop holes, we can use some of it to do some analysis of these candidates such as ask the question… What is in it for Hillary Rodham Clinton? Does she love us so much that she wants to become president just so we will live a very happy and exciting life filled with fortunes and healthy outcome? Try to ponder what it would be like if you were the person running for president. Do you honestly think that you will not utilize that position to feel powerful and influential? Don’t worry I am getting to Obama but lets deal with Clinton first. The way I look at it and this is my opinion of which I do not want to impose on others is that I see the Clintons as having been successful in their political careers. They managed to raise a wonderful girl who turned out from an awkward looking kid in 1992 to now a confident young woman making a six figure salary at a hedge company in NY. The Clintons went from a political star truck family to ascend to the presidency of the United States, now that is quite an accomplishment, so to me anything more is just plain greed. For recap, Bill Clinton became president, Hillary went on to become a senator and their only offspring went to ivy league school here and abroad and from every evidence will certainly have a good life from the values bestowed on her from her parents. In 1992, the Clintons were closer in image and desire to the average American family than they are now. I believe that desire was what propelled them to the success we experienced in the 90s. Unfortunately, they have now surpassed what we truly need in this country at this time. That brings me to Obama because I truly think that for all his rhetoric and hope speeches and all, he fits closer in image and desire to the average American family than any other candidate. I also ask the question…Why is he running? What is in it for him? Does he want to become president just so that we live a very happy and exciting life filled with fortunes and good health? He does not have the success story as the Clintons yet but he wants to also become a good American story. The Obamas have 2 adolescent kids who are not even in High School yet so I believe they want to see their daughters also go off to Ivy League schools and end up just as Chelsea making six figure salaries at a very reputable company. Who knows maybe Michelle may want to become a senator too. My point is where do we they voters fall into all of this? We need to evaluate with clarity what better choice is available to us. We need to make that choice with confidence because we used our brains. After thinking it through, I pick Obama because I like his ideas better and I think he will strive to create an America that will enable his young children to become successful. In all my analysis, I never looked at gender or race or experience or influence and endorsements. I never relied on the media to spin anything for me and I never went with the bandwagon of the day. I just intelligently looked at my choices and made what I think will benefit this country. Once again good luck in your thoughts.
We would like to hear more specific details.  Who are the members of the committee?  Have there been no meetings at all?  Are the members of the committee complaining about lack of leadership?  How is the committee structured?  What is the mission of the committee?  etc.
Bee, it's evidence that Obama is all talk and no action.  If he meant what he said, why hasn't he had any hearings?  Running for president is not enough...the good people of Illinois did not elect him, and the good people of this Country are not paying his salary so that, he could run around the country making pretty presidential campaign speeches at the expense of his first job - US Senator!  Unlike Sen. Clinton, he's abandoned his first job...Sen. Clinton has been present in the Senate more than Obama and vote more than he has.  Again, that is, indeed, leadership you can count on, as opposed to leadership you can dream about....Obama, I have a dream, Clinton, I have a plan!
The pot calling the kettle black.

Instead of campaigning, why isn't Hillary in the Senate trying to pass health care?

The obvious answer: It's much more important to get someone with some common sense into the position of commander-in-chief, where Obama will have COMPLETE control over where we wage our wars.  No bill Obama passed through that committee would ever get passed through the Senate.

Learn a little about government, Hillary, you ARE running to be president, after all.
And let's compare their votes on FISA during this campaign, while they were both campaigining in the Potomac Primary.

Senator Obama  - Nay

Senator Clinton -....absent.
Wow, because all the other candidates traveling city to city around the country every day for the last few months of campaigning have all actually been doing it "virtually" from the senate floor.

It seems a sad fact of politics that nothing gets done in election years.  Not by congress or the senate, and certainly not from a lame duck president.  Sad.

As an independent I really don't know who I'll be voting for in Nov but it's starting to look like it will be Obama or McCain if this is the Clinton campaign's argument for votes.
Obama has had 8 months to hold hearings...when is saint obama going to stop talking and start doing?
For once this is something that actually makes me stop and listen to her.
How many committee meetings has Sen. Clinton held since she began her bid for the presidency?
I'm sure she wishes he had stayed in Washington and run this sub-committee, rather than, say, campaigning in Iowa, lol.
hillary you are funny but i dont support you
dont ask me first woow are you gonna tell that to the audience debating john mccain if you cannt answer the first question then you dont deserve or qualify you to become the president of this nation.

OBAMA 08
Forget hearings!  Once Obama is president we will begin withdrawing troops from Iraq.  Those troops who are serving zero to two rotations in Iraq will be called on to help NATO push back on the Taliban and go after Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.

Although I respect the Senate Subcommittees, Obama is in a unique position to make a real change on the ground in Afghanistan come Feb. 1st, 2009!

OBAMA in 08!
In before stream-of-consciousness rants from "democrats" who won't vote for Obama and Right-Wing/Conspiracy-Theory links from the same.
And just what has Senator Clinton been doing since the beginning of the campaign?  Are all of her responsibilities completely taken care of as well?  Of what committees is she a member?  Has she been attending to their work during her campaigning?

Let's look at both sides before jumping to judgments.
AGAIN ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF OBAMA'S LACK OF LEADERSHIP. OF COURSE AS AN ILLINOIS CONSTIUENT OF HIS I ALREADY KNOW OF OBAMA'S FAILING RECORD AS MY STATE SENATOR. I AND ALL OF HIS CONSTIUENTS ARE STILL WAITING FOR OBAMA TO MAKE GOOD ON ALL OF HIS PROMISES.
NO ONE HAS ASKED THE AFRICAN AMERICAN POVERTY STRICKEN CITIZENS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS OBAMA CLAIMS HE HELPED IF THEY ARE SATISFIED WITH OBAMA.
 IF OBAMA COULD NOT FIND THE TIME TO SHOW HOW HE COULD LEAD AS CHAIRMAN OF A SUBCOMMITTEE ON FORIEGN RELATIONS, HOW COULD HE LEAD ALL OF THE UNITED STATES?
 IF ANY ONE OF US HAD TO APPLY FOR A JOB WITH GREAT RESPONSIBILITY WE WOULD NEED TO JUSTIFY WHY WE HAD NOT MET OUR RESPONSIBILITIES ON A PREVIOUS JOB. SO WHY SHOULD OBAMA NOT HAVE TO JUSTIFY HIS LACK OF LEADERSHIP ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT IS A GREAT RESPONSIBILITY?
OBAMA DOES NOT PASS MY INTERVIEW FOR THE JOB OF PRESIDENT!
Grasping for anything is just not becoming..... although the Clinton campaign doesn't want to admit it, the writing is clearly on the wall. They should be cordial and gracious through March 4th, and then exit on a high note.
:yawn:  Can we get on with the general election please?
This one won't stick either.
Kind of like saying you will create 200,000 jobs in upstate New York then ending up with a net loss 8 years later.

http://laststopmidwest.blogspot.com/
Team Clinton is going down. They already look defeated, they just need to be told.

Listen to this clip for proof : http://www.jabberwonk.com/flinker.cfm?cliid=u01y4
Ironic that Hillary is criticizing Obama when she herself claims to be too busy campaigning to share her tax returns and be accountable to the American people.
Pathetic. She will do anything to try to hold on.

How much time has Hillary spent in the Senate since she began the campaign? Even when she was in Washington during the FISA vote, she did not take the time to come to the capitol to cast her vote. Both Barack Obama and John McCain did.
Yawn.

Next please....
OK  --  one more time: Morphing an endless war in Iraq into an endless war in Afghanistan will turn out to be exactly that ... the same drain on our economy, the same slow attrition of our troops and morale through guerrilla warfare, the same corrosive effect on our international standing.

You cannot control water by beating it with a rock, and you cannot defeat the liquid nature of the current supra-national insurgency by sending armies to fight shadow wars in places where a few homegrown warriors can neutralize thousands of the best-equipped (but foreign) troops on the planet for year after year after year.

I thought Mr. Obama understood this.

   
How much business has Hill carried out in the same time?
so obama is  a supporter of Farakhaan?
Pretty soon he'll be too busy in the White house as President to Chair the meetings, anyways! Maybe Hillary can take over since she thinks she knows so much. Go Away.
Well, with all due respect,  I have heard that Clinton has missed the MOST votes, by FAR, in the Senate since the campaign started.  People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.  Plus, Clinton has spent her several years as a junior senator naming bridges and national monuments, and other REALLY important legislation like that, other than a FEW pieces of legislation that actually affected PEOPLE.  In my opinion, her whole tenure in the Senate has been to position herself for the nomination.
Obama has been busy running an efficient campaign, Hillary is not that busy, she should provide the TAX RETURNS BEFORE MARCH 4.
This is silly to me.  It's as if the only way to back up your statements is to hold a hearing at a subcommittee meeting.  About NATO, which the US Government has no jurisdiction over.  Sen Clinton is the chair of a subcom too, the Subcommittee on Superfund and Environmental Health, and she's held three meetings in a year.  So is that supposed to be 300% better?  Not a good argument.
And just how many hearings would have pleased team Clinton???  Instead of constantly trying to point the finger at Obama....perhaps they should concern themselves with the affairs of their own campaign.  I'd hate to see another surprise financial shortfall.

I'm what is considered an elderly white woman, and there's simply no way I would vote for this woman!!!
What a joke, I wonder what Clinton has done since the election started?  I do know she has voted only 25% of the time in the senate since announcing she was running for the Senate.  

Also, People have argued that Obama won open primaries because Republican's voted for him that won't vote for him in the general election.  Now answer me this; if Republican's hate Sen. Clinton so much that they would vote for Obama rather than vote for their own candidate, then do you really think she had a chance in the gen. election? In fact it actually showed how poorly Democrats would have done if she did win. In fact, I have seen the Republican Governors of Alaska & Louisiana point to Obama as a symbol of change, which shows he has crossover appeal.  Furthermore, this argument is erroneous since Sen. Clinton's fall from grace started on Super Tuesday, before the Republican nominee was essentially decided. I would argue the fact that she had trouble in most closed primaries shows her lack of broad appeal. Her problem was she believed that American's might look past gender, but they would not look past race. She took solace in the fact that there was only one black Senator, but numerous female Senators and so she ignored Obama.  Furthermore she took the gamble that appealing only to women with the belief this would win her the nomination.  This might have actually worked if Sen. Edwards hadn't left early.  As for Obama, she ignored him and tried to use the experience argument instead of spending the time to define him; which allowed him to define himself. And say what you will, but this Edwards supporter saw Obama speak for the first time and knew he had 'something'.  It might show her lack of judgment that she couldn't see this herself earlier.  That said Sen. Clinton is a wonderful woman who will be a great asset to the democratic party in the Senate.  
I guess this is the Kitchen sink they were going to through at Obama. All I can say the sink must be coming from a Kitchen in a Doll House.
AGAIN ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF OBAMA'S LACK OF LEADERSHIP. OF COURSE AS AN ILLINOIS CONSTIUENT OF HIS I ALREADY KNOW OF OBAMA'S FAILING RECORD AS MY STATE SENATOR. I AND ALL OF HIS CONSTIUENTS ARE STILL WAITING FOR OBAMA TO MAKE GOOD ON ALL OF HIS PROMISES.
NO ONE HAS ASKED THE AFRICAN AMERICAN POVERTY STRICKEN CITIZENS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS OBAMA CLAIMS HE HELPED IF THEY ARE SATISFIED WITH OBAMA.
 IF OBAMA COULD NOT FIND THE TIME TO SHOW HOW HE COULD LEAD AS CHAIRMAN OF A SUBCOMMITTEE ON FORIEGN RELATIONS, HOW COULD HE LEAD ALL OF THE UNITED STATES?
 IF ANY ONE OF US HAD TO APPLY FOR A JOB WITH GREAT RESPONSIBILITY WE WOULD NEED TO JUSTIFY WHY WE HAD NOT MET OUR RESPONSIBILITIES ON A PREVIOUS JOB. SO WHY SHOULD OBAMA NOT HAVE TO JUSTIFY HIS LACK OF LEADERSHIP ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT IS A GREAT RESPONSIBILITY?
OBAMA DOES NOT PASS MY INTERVIEW FOR THE JOB OF PRESIDENT!
The further we go down this rabbit hole, the more out-of-touch the Clinton spin machine seems to become.
There she goes on the attack again!! Running for president is a hard fought task and Hillary knows this for sure. One thing that really stands out about Obama is that he is honest. Hillary looks deceitful, calculating, polarizing and dishonest.

I am sure she wish he was in Washington overseeing the committee and not running against her.

Maybe, if she spent more time on the healthcare plan she simply loves we would have it. Instead of focusing on unity these last few weeks, she would rather tear the democrats and herself down. Obama "08"
LOL dang Hillary has to be the biggest Whinner in politics.  Stop Crying you lost and its your own fault you ran a stupid campaign.

Obama 08
And how many of Clinton's plans and policies that she has in her presidential 'arsenal' has she actually taken action upon?  Her mortgage / foreclosure 'solution'?  No.  Her economic blueprint? No.  No, no, no...

Of course, she'll just argue that she's unable to implement or introduce any of them because of resistance from the Bush administration.  This is the divided politics that we MUST get away from.

I loved this line from last night's debate:  She was unable to deliver on her promise of 200,000 jobs to upstate New Yorkers because Bush beat Gore.  Instead, she could just watch as Buffalo lost 40,000 jobs from 2001-2007.
If he had held hearings this year, he'd have been accused of having alterior motives in doing so...
Maybe Obama should promise to hold a hearing soon after Hillary releases her tax returns and White House records.
I totally agree with Hilary, Obama is clearly sitting on responsibilities without any worries. He came out of nowhere and I hope the American people would not choose that type of leadership just because they have biases about a woman President.
If he had held hearings this year, he'd have been accused of having alterior motives in doing so...
Obama is the chairman of the European division... where is Afghanistan again Senator Clinton? Perhaps you should talk to Sen. Biden and Sen. Kerry who head up the Middle East division.

I admire Senator Clinton.  It is obvious the press dosnt give her a chance.  ON the question of the new russian "PRESIDENT" she got the quetion first and was asked the name, flat out.  Just a clear example of the kind of clear passage Obama gets from the press when Hillary gets the tough questions, and not only tough, but first.  
At least he found enough time while running for President to get his 2006 taxes done and released to the public.  While his explanation that he has been running for President is less than ideal, her criticizing it is brazen hypocrisy.
Who's the best?  Obama's the best.  Take a look you sad Clintonites and you'll see that Obama did more in 8 months then most senators do in a lifetime of service.  That's the kind of president I want working for me.   Hillary--where is your taxes???

The following information gathered from the Library of Congress on the Legislative experience Junior Senator Hillary Clinton and Junior Senator Barack Obama. Please Feel free to check these records for yourself and draw your own conclusion.

Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term, which is 6 years and another year campaigning, has authored and passed 20 twenty pieces of legislation in her term of six years into law. These bills can be found at (wwwhomas.loc.gov).  Senator Clinton has passed.

(1) Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.
(2) Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.
(3) Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.
(4) Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.
(5) Name courthouse after James L. Watson.
(6) Name post office after Jonn A. O'Shea.
(7) Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
(8) Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
(9) Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.
(10) Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
(11) Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
(12) Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.
(13) Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.
(14) Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.
(15) Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.

Only five of Clinton's bills are, more substantive.
(16) Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.
(17) Pay for city projects in response to 9/11
(18) Assist landmine victims in other countries.
(19) Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.
(20) Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.

She has a nice list, but note that these are The Fact's straight from the Senate Record; Therefore, it is not made up.

Now, It is time to post Senator Obama's record from the Library of Congress.I have to mention that Senator Obama's list is too substantive, one is coalesced to categorize. Since its alot, remember you can go to the Library of Congress website, and check it out yourself, but I am just summarizing his first 8 months.

During Senator Obama's first 8 eight months of elected service he sponsored over 820 bills.

He introduced 233 bills regarding healthcare reform,
125 bills on poverty and public assistance,
112 bills on crime fighting,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
15 gun control,
6 veterans affairs and many others.
In his first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included:
(1)the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 that became LAW,
(2)The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act that became LAW, (3)The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act that passed the Senate,
(4)The 2007 Government Ethics Bill that became LAW,
(5)The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill that is in committee just to name a few.

In all since he entered the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096. An impressive record, for someone who supposedly has no legislative record.  Read the facts and not emotion.

Team Clinton:

The premise of your question is layered on a foundation that says basically he got the job of chairman but didn't do it to run for another office right???  So using that logic, if he gets the job of President, please tell us what job you would then assume he would run for!!!

It doesn't make sense eh?  I thought not.  You see, I'm one of the "educated" people who back Senator Obama.  Yes we do think independently but more, we don't appreciate your insane assertions or faulty suppositions!!


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