Re:  Clintons
Who can believe a word they say?

Hillary's insistence that she is the candidate of choice because of experience is like George Bush senior saying vote for me I have character and my oponent doesn't. Neither argument wins votes or elections.

What about all the fights of the Bush era- the ones Cheney and his hench men brought upon us all. Everything else palse in copasrion to the damage and destruction brought by the abuse of executive power by the Bush white house.

como se dice: DESPERATION?

This is to msnbc if you see this. I thought the press had to stay nutical and not chose who they like.
but the host of hardball does. use to watch alot
but want no more.

I am 55 now, and back in the Clinton Presidency, in the USA where I loved, there was PEACE and PROSPERITY. The world loved the Clintons...at least the world in the 1990's. Also, may I go out on a limb and say that I would love to see a woman President for the first time in our nation's history.  There, I said it...the forbidden word. It felt great!!!!  

This is a softball, I know, but I just have to hit it. I know one the 90's arguments I dont want to be re-fought is what the definition of is...is. Or where cigars are kept in the WH. Or what is the best stain remover for protein soaked dresses. Or how much China may be influencing our President and Congress. Who is paying for the Clinton Library again?

>
> Barack Obama in the Trojan Horse
>
> An email sent to a Memphis TN radio talk show host Mike Fleming.
>
> Mike, I've been trying to call in during the show and
> have not been able to get through. You made some
> comments on last evening's show that struck home. One
> was particularly frightening. You have said basically
> that Obama was a guy that nobody seems to know
> anything about. The idea that this country could
> elect a man as president and not know anything about
> his beliefs, his agenda, his values or his religion is
> unimaginable. This concerned me greatly and I did
> some research of my own on Mr. Obama. I found that he
> is not the Mr. Clean that he appears to be on the
> outside. I went to the web-site for his church which
> is Trinity United Church of Christ in south Chicago.
> The web-site is TUCC.org. Here is what I learned:
>
> 1. On the opening page they have listed a 10 point
> vision. One of the 10 points says that they are 'A < /FONT>
> congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO
> AFRICA' Maybe thats why he will not put his hand
> over his heart during the national anthem. It would
> be against his commitment to Africa and he would have
> to explain his actions to his fellow church members if
> he did. I personally want a president who is
> committed to all Americans and not to another country
> or people.
>
> 2. The church is located on the south side of
> Chicago. Louis Farrakan lives in the same basic
> neighborhood.
>
> 3. On the open ing page of the web-site, there is a
> side menu that has an item called 'TRUMPET MAGAZINE'.
> I opened Trumpet magazine to see what it was about and
> low and behold there was this picture of Louis Farrakan
> himself. As a matter of fact, the picture filled my
> whole computer screen. I almost hurled.
>
> 4. The magazine spoke about what an honorable and
> great man minister Farrakan is and how he is cut from
> the same cloth as the Malcom Xs and Elijah Mohammeds
> of this world.
>
> 5. As you know, Louis Farrakan is one of the biggest
> hate mongers of all time. Its no secret that he hates
> whites and the Jewish people with an unholy passion.
> He is the leader of the NATION OF ISLAM which are
> nothing more than a band of black militant muslims
> hellbent on the destruction of whites and jews.
> Farrakan was once referred to as the 'Black Hitler'
> ; when he was censored by the world for his viewpoints.
>
> 6. Why would a church that calls itself a church of
> Christ align itself with such an ungodly individual,
> and especially a person who is undoubtedly of the
> muslim faith. Trumpet magazine sings praises of
> Farrakan 's accomplishments and talks about him like a
> God.
>
> Personally, I don't think Obama wants anyone to know
> about his past because of his connection to Farrakan
> and the Islamic faith. I think that the guy is
> really deep down inside a muslim and that the Nation
> of Islam is trying to slide him into the Oval Office
> under the guise of a Christian and the so-called
> Church of Christ that he is a member of is the perfect
> cover up (The Trojan Horse).

Don't worry Bill... we remember your Presidental term very well.. that's why your wife is losing....

American have GREAT long and short term memory

Certainly Clinton has a right to defend the policies and accomplishments of his Presidency. It's silly for Obama to point back to the 1990's in his ad. What's his point. I think things were in much better in the 1990's. President Clinton agrees that there is always something to learn from the mistakes made, but Obama throws it out without specifics....typical of his whole campaign.

Yeah, let's start remembering the 90's...NAFTA, impeachment, VF suicide, Watergate, Whitewater, sex tapes (which are going on sale according to JF), Monica, and so much more....how lucky are the Clintons that they can run for office and not have the otherside bring up all their past garbage. Now I know she says she has been tried and tested....but she sure likes hinting about Obamas ties to certain people....where are your taxes Ms. Clinton....WH papers Ms. Clinton....I feel when the Clintons cry foul for media coverge...they should be glad they are running against someone who is trying to run a clean campaign...too bad the Clintons don't know what that means.

Look Bozo, It's not about you and the 90's. Go find the nearest circus, and get out of town! And as far as your Hilarious wife is concerned, she should be blaming you for her downfall not the media! It's apparent that you both have selective amnesia regarding her 35 years of experience, and your penis problemed presidency.

So, Bill is stating that there were mistakes made that must be so bad that we must learn from them?  Ok Bill, that is exactly what Obama is saying.

It's time for the Clinton's to take it to the house. If they lose Texas or Ohio they need to shut it down for the good of the party. Now....if you don't care about the party then we've got a problem.

We had quite a few attacks on the US in the 90's and one really ugly home grown one.  Keep the 90's and the Clintons where they belong and let's roll!

Here is the real Barak Obama. www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/Obama.htm

Yes.

kenn...can you tell me what's so wrong with a candidate acknowledging that the other side has some good ideas??  Certainly it's a matter of an individual's opinion.  I think it's refreshing that Obama can acknowledge the positives of Republicans when he sees fit....just a shame that some voters get their underwear up in a bunch because of it.

Oh and the underwear comment is just an analogy like the bus in a ditch one.

would someone please tell how obama plans to do the things he says, he sure never tells anyone where the money is coming from, he just says we need a change.  HOW IS HE GOING TO CHANGE IT, I DONT THINK HE KNOWS, SO HOW CAN HE TELL US.  HIS FATHER WAS A MUSLIM AND THAT IS SCARY.  THEY TELL ME THAT HE WAS SWORN IN WITH THE KORAN (the muslin bible)AND THAT DONE IT FOR ME.  IF HILIARY WAS NOT AT THE DEBATES HE COULD SAY ANYTHING EXCEPT, WE NEED A CHANGE BUT, OBAMA HOW ARE YOU GOING TO CHANGE THINGS???? HOW, PLEASE TELL HE HOWWWWWWWWWWWW??? DO YOU HAVE A PLAN OR NOT????

Did anybody notice that you can longer watch the SNL Debate skit on You Tube. Hmmm. Seems suspect.

HEAR YE, HEAR YE, not one politician has ever been able to keep or complete all their campaign promises; however, they still keep telling lies and the American people are gullible and or uneducated enough to think that they will! "Let's just stand in the middle of the road, just for a minute", no democrats no republicans what can you say about the past presidencies there are terms in office where the president did too much and there are the presidents who didn't do enough - which would you prefer Weapons of MASS DESTRUCTION or ORAL SEX in the WHITE HOUSE! Each one promised the world; however, not one was able to reorganize healthcare, FIX Social Security (your money that you will not receive if born after 1981 and rising), get parents to be more involved with their children at school and take an active roll in their education as opposed to parents being involved with drugs, alcohol, etc., eliminate all radical (Islam) extremist before they strike at the heart of America again, stop executives from embezzling corporation money, help to reduce poverty, - do I need to go on or have you had enough - which one would you choose OH, I AM TRULY SORRY I FORGOT TO INCLUDE A TAX CUT WITH THIS LIST. This is definitely a relative consideration much higher than social security, healthcare and poverty - please forgive me!

For those of you out there that are slightly slow in mind let me tell you so it will not be a big secret I was being sarcastic - shocking isn't it! The real shock is that YOU, YOU, and YOU keep believing this Donkey and Elephant dung. When are you actually going to wake up and not just smell the coffee but take an active roll in making this country a better place to live or would you rather put your faith, hopes and dreams in a person that has come up with a new way to smoke a cigar or should I say USE A CIGAR! The latter is easy, you just go to the ballot box darken in the circle and or let's not forget the almighty GORE PUNCH CARD! If your party and or president of choice does not perform like you want him or her to then again it appears to be real easy people just BASH THEM (TALK TRASH), CALL THEM NAMES, and LIE BY TELLING EVERYONE that they didn't vote for them! BUT WE REALLY NEED TO ASK HOLLYWOOD, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE EXPERIENCE, KNOWLEDGE, WISDOM AND INTEGRITY TO DECIDE WHO IS POPULAR AND WHO'S NOT! Hooray, after four more years the American people will have the opportunity to bash (talk trash) another one when they get to be unpopular, of course they did not vote for. I really truly think that they need to make this a holiday OH; I AM TRULY SORRY THEY ALREADY HAVE IT IS CALLED THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. Don't worry you will have the opportunity to talk poorly about another president when they do not live up to YOUR expectations. Isn't this so much fun!!!

If I may I would like to ask YOU another curious intelligent question so that I may receive a definite flawless and completely correct answer, "What makes you so sure that Barack, and or any of these candidates, will follow through with all HIS promises? Because HE IS BARACK OBAMA he is going to follow through and save the American people! Because you see him on TV and commercials - surely that must be it! Because he says so? He has stated all his promises in public just like all republicans, democrats, federalists before him going back all the way to John Adams but they didn't complete all their promises - not even 25%! The same goes for Hilary, John and Mike!

PLEASE PAY CLOSE ATTENTION, I will reform healthcare, fix social security, and reorganize the education system - DON'T LET ME LOSE YOU, PLEASE PAY CLOSE ATTENTION - because I stated all this to the public then I will follow through with my campaign promises and save the world!

HEAR YE, HEAR YE, American people foreign and or domestic, all your cares and concerns are put to rest just vote for me and bliss, complete comfort, heaven and or world without incident, pain or death will be realized; basically, my job as president is easy all I have to do is snap my fingers and instantly without help it appears like magic before your very eyes without the need for committees, teams, and especially without the American People's input. Is this getting to be absurd?

STOP, STOP, I repeat STOP believing and or depending upon someone else to make your life easier! GET INVOLVED, reach out to people, help the poor, start working on solutions to these big problems we face, work on real problems social security, healthcare and education submit your ideas to your local congressman and or senator -your ideas are just as important if not more than the attorney's, governor’s, senator's and especially the president (he or she is a servant of the American people) take a stand on what really counts and stop complaining about the small stuff! If your local congressman and or senator ignores you find someone who will listen to you - it doesn't matter if they are democrat or republican - who cares, just find someone or a group of people that will take the ball and run it in for a touchdown!!! Remember, vote actions not words, anyone can get up and say they can do a good job - even me!

I encourage you to PRAY that GOD will help us with these problems and put the right man or woman in office that will work to find solutions not massage their popularity!!! GOD PLEASE HELP AND BLESS THIS NATION!

GOD BLESS  

How about these mistakes Billary Clinton (co-Presidents)?:
1). Khalid Sheikh Mohammad (KSM)...the Al-Qaida financial mastermind behind the February 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center (and, thanks to your inaction and tepid responses and refusal of accepting vital information as to KSM's whereabouts in July 2000 from Jack Roche, KSM's subsequent bombings of the U.S. Embassies in Kenya & Tanzania in August 1998, KSM's 9/11/2001 attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon, KSM's 1/31/2002 abduction & beheading of Daniel Pearl, KSM's 2002 attack on the USS Cole and the Bali bombings of 2002.)

2). Your appointment of Jamie Gorelick as Deputy Attorney General, who in 1995 in a secret memo (since declassified) stiffened the firewall between our domestic investigative agencies and our foreign intelligence gathering organizations...which prohibited the sharing of information which could have prevented the 9/11/2001 attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon.

3). Your assertion that the illicit oral sexual gratification which you and Monica Lewinsky engaged in were "not sex"...which has lead to a pandemic among sub-teens and teenagers where oral is now more common than kissing among these very vulnerable at-risk groups...and, an epidemic of Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) infections of the mouth and throat (which eventually develops into cancer of the mouth, throat, and esophagus...another costly massive hit to our over-burdened health care system).

4). The disgrace of a President lying under oath, being disbarred, and being impeached.

Shrillary, if you take credit for the "good things" ...you have to accept responsibility for the "disastrous things"!

Nicely stated, Aaron.

Oh my GAWD MSNBC has to "clarify" everything in Obama's favor? Hollllllllllly give up already. All the "fights" back then were started by the Republicans, who never wanted and still don't want Universal Health Care and want tax cuts for the richest 1%(including media bosses). Bush's lie cost  100,000 lives across the world and billions of dollars to the US, compare that to Bill's lie, now who should have been impeached??I remeber the 90's and the 80's as well and we all know whats been going on for the last 8 years. The period between 94 and 2000 was probably the most prosperous and peaceful time in US history after the post war boom in the 50's.

Now, Obama is not running against Bill. He blames everything bad in the 90's on Hillary, while discredits anything good from Bill's presidency. Seriously, stating that Reagan's admin was better than Clinton's is absurd. Reagan ignored the AIDS crisis and let it spread, even blaming it on homosexuals. He certainly didn't preside over the best peroid in American economy either, competition from Asian nations especially Japan made our manufacturing meaningless, while Reagan was saying that the market will take care of itself. I'm sure Obama shares his view that its not a good time to discuss policy during elections. Just a few good speeches written by your speechwriters and a few photo-ops, play the victim and you're all set. The fights will still be there when Obama is elected, there is no utopia in politics. Once the election is over it will be politics as usual. Even Hillary has co-sponsored bills with republicans, but some day you have to stand up and fight for what is right both inside the government and out, that is what MLK and Lyndon Johnson did, because of them Obama has this chance today(also, times have changed and US demogarphics too). Parties are based on ideology that is why they oppose each other. Republicans and their hacks like Limbaugh and Ann coulter are more vicious thats all. Wait until they come after you Obama.  Right now it seems that Obama can do or say anything to win.

Uh Kenn, you might want to wake up a bit. What Obama said was that he never agreed with the ideas and policies of Reagan, but that he noticed that Reagan definitely tapped into something that got him elected and energized a large portion of the electorate. That included the whole Reagan democrats movement. He obviously worked in the community and took a path that was in direct opposition to Reagan policies. This country again is ready for a new trajectory and at least Obama has better ideas for the PEOPLE to go with THAT ability to tap into the desire for change So, why don't you stop your shortcuts to thinking. Here's what he said:
Obama said, “I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it.

“I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think people, he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing.”

If Bill had an affair with a woman it is none of anyones business. Grow up people! A president is elected to perform his duties and uphold the constitution of the US, which by the way does not contain an article stating "Thou shall not commit adultery". That's between Bill and Hillary. Stay out of other peoples bedroom and instead fix what is happening in your own. In the 90's everyone ate with golden spoons, people could fill their gas tanks and we had a surplus when Bill left. Bush has lied and continues to lie to everyone and as a result of his indiscretions over 3900 soldiers have died and over 20000 people are wounded so far. The facts please, just the facts.

KIDS ALWAYS THINK THEY KNOW MORE THAN THE ADULTS AND OBAMA IS NO EXCEPTION.  TAKE A LOOK AT THE FACES OF CONGRESS.  SEE ANY KIDS IN THERE?  WHAT YOU SEE ARE MATURE ADULTS WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE WARS AND HAVE THE SCARS TO PROVE IT!  THESE ARE THE PEOPLE OBAMA WILL HAVE TO WOO AND, THEY DON'T WOO EASILY! WHY HASN'T OBAMA DONE ONE THING IN HIS SENATE SUB-COMMITTEE ABOUT AFGHANISTAN FOR THE PAST YEAR? ISN'T THIS HIS JOB?  I THINK HE SHOULD LEARN HOW TO HANDLE HIS SENATE RESPONSIBLITIES BEFORE HE TAKES ON PRESIDENTIAL RESPONSIBLITIES!  VOTE HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT!

I hate to think of an america ruled by aman  called obama hussien barack i like to be able to spell my presidents name, i truly like the idea of a woman being our leader and Hillary is strong enough to do it... we need the female image to create a softer more kind character We have had the male blood and guts image long enough.. as far as Bills strayings  why lay his faults at her door ,she cant take the blame for him The fact is she loved him still.. i think she held up quite well thru the whole stinky mess ,What would you have done ,loud -mouth the press?

It's always about HIM.

HA!!! If Bill's mouth was open, he was lying! One would think Bill would want the voters to FORGET the fights of the 90's (impeachment, etc)!
He makes his wife's campaign a joke, although it would still be a joke without his involvement. She claims 35 years of experience?? Doing what? Cleaning stains from blue dresses??

 Can you all hear the laughter? I can. It's the laughter of the GOP watching the dems hate each other into another loss. Don't you know they're just loving this? Think about it. Then think some more. We've got to start pulling it together. I'm hearing way too much about political gain and not enough about what's good for the country.

Yeah, you're right Aaron....I don't want to fight that fight again....I'd rather fight another one.  I'm not interested in impeaching a president for his sex life.  I'm interested in impeaching a president for leading us into an unnecessary war by lying to the American people.  I'm interested in impeaching a president that has done nothing but put this country into debt with his tax breaks for the rich and ignoring the poor.  A president who has actually made many of us NOT feel ashamed of our country but ashamed of our current reputation.  A president who will leave office, not with a blue dress to worry about, but the blood on his hands.  Lets try and be less glib Aaron...and think.

Bill Clinton did nothing against terrorism-nothing!

He stood by and let Rwandans die to the tune of almost a million.11
Oh yeah, he gave us a couple of little tunes on the sax- abunch of hotair

Ah yes, the good ole days - Whitewater, Travelgate, depending on what your definition of "is" is, Monica, impeachment, selling pardons....sigh, nostalgic, isn't it? Those were the days.....

Wow, I'd pay money to go back to the fights we had in the 90s. Things were so great all we had to worry about was that the President was screwing around in the oval office. Let's see what we worry about in the 2000's... hmm... 9/11, Hurricane Katrina, Afghanistan, Iraq, North Korea, unprecidented domestic spying, unprecidented disrespect for the rule of law by the executive (you know, torcher, extraordinary rendition anyone?), and a President who lies about each and every one of those things (not just one lie about one blue dress.)

Yeah, I'd take a cigar stuck where the sun don't shine over this mess any day.

There hasn't been a politician as graceous as Barack Obama. If I were running his campaign, Hillary Clinton would've dropped out a long time ago.

Perhaps Obama too would've been hurt as a result. But then Hillary would've disappeared FAST - that's a HUGE step.

If you discover a rattlesnake and Hillary in your bedroom, get rid of Hillary first.

Who will be ready on day one, Senator Clinton or former President Clinton? Imagine trying to serve under this dual administration. How is that going to work?

If BO is at the head of the Democratic ticket, what we will all see is a return to the generational divide that was part of the 1990s rancor.  

Just because Bill Clinton has selective memory doesn't mean the voters have to do the same. The 1990s that he remembers conveniently excludes his tawdry affair, lying under oath, lying on TV to the voters and the aftermath of impeachment that allowed the republicans to undermine all of his accomplishments and ultimately facilitate their stealing of the 2000 election. After the resulting 8yrs of Bush CHeney,Billary shouldn't be surprised that they, and their senior advisors ,are the only one's who remember the good old 1990's.

I'm no political campaign expert but I do know that I wouldn't want a surrogate speaker out there spending 50%,30%, or even 5% talking about himself or herself. I would want them spending 100% of their time on the stump speaking about the candidate, the issues, and how the candidate will benefite the voters. Mr. Clinton turns listeners off because he spends far too much time talking about himself, his administration, and the past. This election (like every election) is and should be about the future.

Mr. Clinton just doesn't get it. He should have stayed home. He's Hillary's biggest problem with the voters.

Bill, I think he was talking about thee time you abused your power, lied about it, and then went through an impeachment process.

I would go back to the 90's in a second. Lets see, families were not losing homes by the 10's of thousands and I was complaining about 82 cents a gallon for gas. This is BS to keep from talking about Farrakhan. That shocked me. I have to take up for Obama at my center, while wearing Hillary's pin, almost every day. I can not do that anymore. I don't even see me voting now, if I have to vote for Obama. I am very upset with the stance Obama and his Church took on Farrakhan.  Obama now scares me. Do as u'all like but, really, does anyone really believe he doesn't think like his friends?

Why don't you ask is Obama exaggerating? It is more often the case.

Is it just me or should the only person who should care about Bill having sex with another woman be Hillary?

I am sorry ,but I do not care if your husband cheats on you it is none of my business...

We spend so much time discussing former President Clinton's comments.  Why don't we pay closer attention to what Sen. Obama is and is not saying.  When we do look closely I think we'd begin to agree with Robert Samuelson of Newsweek.  He said "Obama is largely a stage presence defined mostly by his powerful rhetoric. The trouble, at least for me, is the huge and deceptive gap between his captivating oratory and his actual views."

The Clinton's spin machine is at work again. Hmmmmmm...not a suprise. The fact of the matter is that the country is ready to unity around Barack. The Clinton's should deal with it or as they say "get out of the kitchen"

Your reporting continues to be interesting. They quit running the ad but you are telling the world about the ad.  I hadn't seen it, but I certainly know about it now. I guess according to your logic Obama is stuck with his wife's comments.

When you live a double life, keeping secrets from your wife, your colleagues, compartmentalizing aspects of your behavior, your can become confused by all the different deceptive narratives and lose your grip on reality, and your own memory of the past. Did it really happen that way? Or am I just remembering the lie that I told that day?

CLINTON: Screw my wife, I gotta protect my legacy first!!

Your reporting continues to be interesting. They quit running the ad but you are telling the world about the ad.  I hadn't seen it, but I certainly know about it now. I guess according to your logic Obama is stuck with his wife's comments.

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