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Bill: Dems happy with both candidates

Posted: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:48 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli
FINDLAY, OH -- Bill Clinton said this morning that, despite the some hard feelings among the candidates' most "severe partisans," he's confident that most Democratic voters are still happy with both candidates, and will support whoever the nominee is.

"We know that an overwhelming majority of the American people believe the country has to change course," Clinton told nearly 1,000 people here at the University of Findlay. "The other thing we know is that most voters who will participate in the Democratic primary like both these candidates. Some of their severe partisans have developed hard feelings about the other -- that always happens. But the truth is, most people like them both."

Clinton, speaking at the first of five scheduled stops in the Buckeye State, told the crowd that if they voted for her in Tuesday's primary, and again in November, she'd be the next president. He also called her "the best change agent I've ever known," though he conceded he's biased.

"I know every time I get up to speak, people say, 'Aw he's gotta do this, they're married," he said. "It is true that I love her. But I love my country, too. And I would not have urged her on in this campaign, would not have encouraged never to quit when times were tough, if I didn't believe she'd be the best president for you."

And he pressed on with the argument he said both candidates made themselves at last week's debate. Without mentioning Barack Obama by name, he said the Illinois senator is making a case that "you should vote for me because I embody change," and that "we need to change Washington, and we don't want anybody who was there before." Hillary, on the other hand, argues that she has the "best record" of making changes in other people's lives and has the best ideas for the future."

"I think that's the better side of the argument."

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I remember doing something very foolish as a young man and when my dad asked why I had done it I tried to be smart and say I did it for the experience. In his wisdom he explained that experience is nothing more than an accumulation of mistakes. As we argue the experience point back and forth I would like to recommend that we rely on our own experience as the voting public. What have we learned as a result of our previous voting experiences?

Have we always gotten a president that everyone is absolutely satisfied with? I seriously doubt it. Regardless of which candidate you support one thing should be very clear and that is that they will not be able to deliver everything they promise. So the thing to do is listen to what each candidate is promising and see how logical it will be for them to deliver.

First, let’s look at Senator John McCain. For the most part he seems content to continue Bush’s agenda. If that is what you want then I recommend that you vote for him.

Second, Senator Clinton says she will get the IRS to collect all the back taxes owed, and divert other funds so she can finance her programs. Just how feasible is that? We all know how long it takes for the government to do anything, right? Even if she was the most charismatic person on earth and carried two guns to boot, I seriously doubt she would make meaningful inroads anytime soon. So if you want to wait for an undeterminable length of time to see her programs come to fruition, vote for her.

Third, we have Senator Obama who is promising us change. But at the same time he is also telling us that change will not come easy and that we will have to get involved to bring about the programs he is advocating. I think the reason he is getting the support that he is, mine included, is that he is hitting on a point that the other candidates are missing. And that is that the American people would really like their involvement with government to be more than just a vote at election time. At least that is how I see it. Therefore, if you want to get involved and take responsibility for a government by the people and for the people, and not have to continue blaming some bureaucrat for the condition of the country, vote Obama.
True Hillary supporters will never vote for Obama someone wrote above.  First, I will attempt to get past the lack of respect evidenced in the post.  Second, I accept the statement as true and agree that Senator McCain is an honorable man who deserves the vote of all Americans who think he is the better candidate vis a vis Senator Obama.

Since I deeply distrusted Senator Clinton's ability to reject the power grab for the Presidency that the Bush administration achieved, I, too, thought if Senator Clinton won I would be forced to vote for Senator McCain, who is an honorable man who would probably honor the U.S. Constitution.  I note that Senator McCain, along with Senator Obama, have rejected the use of signing statements should they become President.

Yet, I couldn't help wondering should Senator McCain be elected what they happens to the U.S. Supreme Court?  I note here that we are not only concerned with the right to privacy, but also almost every other right Americans hold dear.  President Bush hasn't only nominated judges who are against Roe, he has also nominated judges who go WAY BACK in judicial temperment, way back before President Franklin Roosevelt.  Just the other day, President Bush said we had to defend the "right to contract"-- which was the term used by judges in the 1920's and 1930's to reject everything from food inspection to limits on interest rates and unconscionable contracts.  Senator McCain has said he will appoint judges and justices like those appointed by President Bush.  Since Senator McCain is an honorable man I am afraid I must take him at his word.  

Senator McCain has also recently changed his mind on torture and urged the President to veto a bill that would ban waterboarding.  Senator McCain has also said that we should stay in Iraq as long as it takes, maybe even 100 years.  Of course, Senator McCain, like President Bush, neglects to tell us what the end game is in Iraq -- what is success?  what is victory?  We all know of course that "success" and "victory" as words have long lost any real meaning.

I am quite shocked that any Democrat would vote for Senator McCain after the above, but if they don't mind judges who would disband the USDA as unconstitutional, who believe in the unitary executive, who disavow the right to privacy and generally prefer the right to contract over the rights of individuals, then I suppose you should vote for Senator McCain.  I fear however that you are letting your anger that Senator Obama has run a better campaign and secured more support from the American people win out over your own beliefs.  

Please think before you vote.  
Yeah, What Karma said earlier.

No matter what, democrats UNITE!
Joe -
I don't know where you get off implying that anyone against Obama is so just because of his skin color or his heritage...
I am tired of the "we all have to be politically correct" crap...tell me who's playing the race card!

I think that Barack Obama is an attractive, intelligent, good man. I think he has good intentions for the most part and I think that he is genuine in his desire for change and in his desire to bring hope to our people.

That said, I must say that I do not agree with his plans for this country - domestic or foreign - not based on his experience or lack thereof, not based on his personal history or his skin color or whatever else...simply based on the issues.

I do not believe that bringing home our troops immediately is reasonable or in the best overall interest of the situation we are in with our interests in Iraq. Like it or not, we're there; we are in the midst of a battle and MUST remember that even to bring our troops home immediately does not secure their future or ours - the situation with Iraq is as it is and must be dealt with.

I do not believe that socialized medicine will work in this country. I do not believe that bailing out the people with adjustable rate mortgages is responsible either. I do not believe that outsourcing our middle class jobs is doing any good for our country or for our relationships with other nations.


These are just a few of the reasons that I do not feel that Obama is right to lead our country at this time. That doesn't mean I don't like him as a person or that I think he is less worthy because of the color of his skin or the faith of his father...Do not continue the 'hate' you are accusing others of by implying that a vote against Obama is based on a lack of political correctness or based on predjudism...
To my fellow democrats:
Please, please... no matter who gets the democratic nomination I beg to you please vote for them in Nov.

This is a personal appeal- my husband spent 2 tours in Iraq, please don't vote to send him and his fellow troops back into that nightmare.
Look, even though I'm supporting Obama I understand your frustration at wanting a female president. I do. I want one too, just not this one, this time. Honesty this is NOT anti-Hillary, I am just pro-Obama, ok? A lot of my fellow Obama supporters actually feel this way too. We've all just gotten caught up in this race (due in no small part to the way the media is treating this primary) and it leads us to say nasty things we don't really mean. I apologize for anything that's been said that offends you or Mrs. Clinton, though I realize its not my place to do so.

I believe that the frustration you are feeling that your candidate is not doing well right now is leading you to say things you don't believe in your hearts. Mothers, daughters, sisters listen to me- no candidate, yours or mine, is worth condemning your fellow Americans to death over just to spite them-  and that's what a vote for McCain will be.
Remember why you became a Democrat. Peace, justice, equality.
Think about what a day in the life of a soldier is like. Think about my 2 years of unbearable heartbreak and terror, waiting in my silent house for the call saying the love of my life had been killed...
I will never be the same, we will never be right again.

Please don't help to do this to anyone else. Please support whoever gets the nomination. I will vote for Hillary if we nominate her, I will do so with pride and hope. I will be sad that the candidate I wanted and campaigned for didn't win... but I will always remember that I am voting for what is truly important: Peace.

not Obama in 08, not Hillary in 08-
PEACE in 08
J. Hughes:

If you don't think Obama has special interest and shady circumstances, you are naive. His baggage is just not all known yet.

Excuses are made; but when it comes down to it, you just will not vote for a woman.
dont know about all that Jay, but I do know I will stay home if Obama is the Nominee, Hillry i the only intelligent choice
I love Bill.
But, he's wrong.
True Hillary Democrats could NEVER vote for O'BOMB-a if he were the nominee.
...and WE won't.
:-)
J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY (Sent Friday, February 29, 2008 2:55 PM)

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You got that right. Never ever vote for BARRY, BO, BARRACK, OBAMA, who ever the hell he is si!


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