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Hillary the fighter

Posted: Monday, March 03, 2008 1:09 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC/NJ's Athena Jones
A Clinton staffer commented several months ago -- before the senator lost her much-vaunted "aura of inevitability" and placed third in the Iowa caucuses -- that she, and in fact the Clintons as a rule, did not make a practice of negative campaigning. Sure, she would defend herself vigorously if attacked, the staffer added, but she would not attack first.

In November, at the Iowa Democratic Party pep rally that was the Jefferson-Jackson dinner, Clinton said she and her fellow contenders for the nomination shouldn't be bashing each other, they should instead "turn up the heat" on the Republicans.

But that is so last year.

Fast-forward to 2008. In the weeks since the Super Tuesday contests on February 5, Clinton has lost 11 contests in a row, a reality that would likely have already killed the candidacy of any other politician. Her campaign has responded by going increasingly negative, criticizing Obama for his eloquent use of words -- including those of his friend, Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick -- for his apparent decision to back away from a pledge to accept public financing in the general election; for his ties to indicted real estate developer Tony Rezko whose trial begins today; for news that his economic adviser met with Canadian officials and allegedly downplayed the campaign's criticism of NAFTA; and for Obama's failure to hold "substantive" hearings on the issue of NATO in Afghanistan as chair of a Senate subcommittee.

Indeed, the Clinton campaign has just released a negative TV ad that blasts Obama on that last point.

These hits have not gone unanswered. In fact, the Obama camp has often responded with lightning speed, like on Friday when -- within hours -- they rebutted a Clinton ad featuring sleeping children and a ringing telephone that sought to portray her as better prepared to deal with a national security crisis.

All of this is arguably fair game in a tough election fight, especially with so much at stake. But it's hard not to describe it as negative campaigning.

For the record, Clinton generally calls this kind of thing "drawing contrasts" or "drawing distinctions" between her and her competitor. And in doing so, the junior senator from New York has taken to speaking more and more about the importance of being a fighter.

She was joined on stage in Austintown, OH on Sunday by middleweight boxing champion Kelly Pavlik, in part to symbolize her own fighting spirit. "We need someone in the White House again who is a fighter. We need a fighter, a doer and a champion in the White House," she told the crowd. A few hours later at a rally in Akron, she promised to be that kind of president. "I'm here today because I want you to know that I'm a fighter, a doer and a champion and I will go to work for you."

A quick look at some of the highlights from the latest onslaught of bad vibes:

-- Here's Clinton at the GM Lordstown plant in Warren, OH on Valentine's Day: "Over the years, you've heard plenty of promises from plenty of people in plenty of speeches, and some of those speeches were probably pretty good. But speeches don't put food on the table. Speeches don't fill up your tank. Speeches don't fill your prescriptions or do anything about that stack of bills that keeps you up at night. That's the difference between me and my Democratic opponent: My opponent makes speeches. I offer solutions... It is one thing to get people excited. I want to empower you. This is not about me. This is about you."
  
More: "There's a big difference between us: Speeches versus solutions, talk versus action. You know, some people may think words are change, but you and I know better. Words are cheap."

-- A week later at the Austin debate, Clinton sought to highlight Obama's use of a large chunk of a 2006 speech by Patrick, a paragraph the Illinois senator had called up to respond to her Lordstown attack on the power of words. "Lifting whole passages from someone else's speeches is not change you can believe in. It's change you can Xerox."

-- And in Dallas on Saturday, Clinton said, "My opponent, he basically says there are two reasons why he is qualified to be commander in chief. He gave a speech against the Iraq war in 2002 and I give him credit for that. He gave a speech at an anti-war rally. Well, then within two years he had decided that maybe he wasn't sure which way he would have actually voted if he had been a senator and that maybe George Bush wasn't doing such a bad job in Iraq after all ... and then he often cites on his resume the fact that he is the chairman of the subcommittee on European Affairs, which has jurisdiction over NATO, which as you know is our ally in Afghanistan. But he didn't tell you until the debate the other night that he never even held a single substantive hearing to figure out what he could do better."

So much for keeping the heat on the Republicans.

It's understandable that the intense political battle being waged has led to more pointed criticism, attacks, and drawing of contrasts. It may also be true that a fierce competition makes all players better. The question many Democrats are asking is: When will the acrimony end and the healing begin? And it's unclear whether yet another Super Tuesday will provide an answer.

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Should Obama drop out if he can't win Texas & Ohio?

With all the money he has spent and if he can win should't that tell him something?

Clinton 08
A president needs to have good judgement, be calm in the face of chaos, communicate to their subordinates and the American people effectively, and clearly, be honest and forthright.
What is starting to come from Hillary, is not true differences, but a shading of the truth, a little whining, and a little petulence.
She bashes Obama on his subcomittee not holding hearings. What has she done while on the Armed Services Committee? Tell me about that record. How has that made a difference in the current war? Give me something to compare.
Somebody on another thread wanted a definition of a CEO. Here's mine and here's why I am so disappointed in Hillary's candidacy.
A CEO is a visionary. HE/SHE sets the tone of the organization, its creative agenda, its ethics if you will. He/she hires, engages and inspires subordinates, clients, and all those who influence his/her decisions. Hillary is running for the job of executive assistant--policy wonk, mistress of details. She could easily fit the mold of a CEO but has chosen to emphasize the qualities that limit her imagination. She has a compelling personal story easily the equal of the other candidates but has chosen to supress that story for platitudes and attacks.
Experience is not a qualifier for a CEO, a CFO or COO maybe. A CEO has to grow, change, as the business expands and changes or the business doesn't stay in business very long.
The Clinton's can't help themselves--they revolve around the politics of personal destruction and that's how they have run their previous campaigns. We need something different, something better.McCain is enough of a maverick that he could, if given a chance by his own Republican demons, trade in ideas. Obama has certainly demonstrated a grasp of leadership that exemplifies a CEO.An Obama-McCain campaign might just make the cut for idea-driven dialogue. I don't think a Hillary-McCain campaign would. Sorry, Hill, I think you let us down.
Fighter?  Brawler is more like it.

It is a shame that the Clintons are apparently dedicated to a no-holds-barred mud fight, stopping at nothing in their attempts to grab power again.  If they continue this scorched Earth campaign, the nomination will be worthless to whomever finally receives it because the electorate will be dispirited and disgusted with the whole process.

Nice going, Hillary, you're sucking the joy out of what SHOULD have been a real change election. If the superdelegates don't step forward to end this, November will be a debacle.
Fighting is soooo last year. If we wanted a "fighter", Edwards, Kucinich, and Gravel would still be in the race. Fighting just sounds hostile and angry. But Clinton doesn't seem to get it. Go ahead Hillary...keep those fighting words going...it just turns people off.
God, has she been a warrior all her life? Does she think laws are passed through fights and not negotiations? To say she is a fighter and will fight for you makes me think she is very much self-centered, because she des not seem to recognize the fact that fighting means poisonous partisanship. We want to get rid of partianship and allow lawmakers and presidents to work together for our nation, not for their selfish ambitions. And by being just a fighter, Hillary is making it clear that party is more important than coutnry.
This just in...

MSNBC still in the tank for Obama. No REZKO trial info. Little on the NAFTA, "fib", but we do get a laundry list of Hillary's and ONLY Hillary's negative statements and ads. Bias so blinding that even Stevie Wonder has to wear shades...
Your ratings have tumbled, your blog is sham and shameless shill for Obama. MSNBC sucks and will reap what it has sown.
Sickofyourcrap (Sent Monday, March 03, 2008 1:40 PM
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MY sentiments exactly!
I am 100% behind Hillary,she needs to do what it takes to take back the White House from the Republicans.But I am quite tired of hearing you Obamacan's cry about everything from her taxes to her true supporters..Obamacans are just as nasty if not more and several of them have said on this site that if she wins they will not vote for her...If you do not like what you are reading do not read it!No one is better than anyone else on this blog,Except of course Hillary she is better than Barack!!!!!!
Hillary Clinton says we need a fighter. But she's had 16 years, in her husband's admin and as a Senator, and what has she really accomplished? Her universal health care failed completely, at least in part because she "fought" rather than "united" the involved groups.

The Clintons have become exactly like the Rove-Bush team, too much beligerance and divine right. And that attitude got us into a disastrous war, using lies and lack of discourse.

Barack Obama may lack Washington qualifications but the Cheney-Bush-Clinton team have more experience than any group in history, and what has it gotten us? Rising health insurance costs and fewer insured, disastrous infrastructure that brought the devastation of Katrina and the bridge collapse in Minnesota, a $3 trillion war funded by debt to the Chinese (what future cost will that have?) and oh, yes, oil rising from $25 to $100 a barrel.

A fighter? Please, enough. Another 8 years of "fighting" and there won't be a country left. We desperately need a new direction.

What we are seeing now from Hillary Clinton is the side of her that is has been forbidden to talk about.

Those who see her behind the made-for-TV scenes, which includes a lot of people, know her as a mean-spirited, arrogant person whose sense of entitlement could sink a large tanker, or a campaign.

This has been known for awhile (15-20 years), but it was only leaked here and there to you, the little people (in her book).

Yes indeedy, she is a lampthrower.  Sexist or no, if a male does that stuff in the privacy of his own home and someone reports him, he goes off to Anger Management Training (that is if he didn't hit anybody,if he did, he goes directly yo jail, does not pass GO and does not collect $200).  

Yes, I'm looking at you Bob Knight.

As great a coach as Knight is, nobody in their right mind wants to get him on the phone at 3 am, or would like him to have his finger anywhere near machinery, much less an arsenal of weapons that could destroy the planet.

Now you see the real deal-- the real Hill.

Every time you see one of those ads, think Bobby Knight.

Slam. Bam.

Even Bob knew when to quit (finally).
Thanks for this 'centering' post---it does show the Clintons' negative over-drive over recent weeks (with media complicity of late, thank you).

This race was 'over' on Potomac Tuesday (or whatever you want to call it) when Obama more or less mathematically put the 'pledged delegates' competition out of reach.  She is gratifying her own ego by persisting in this very negative downscale 'campaigning'.  Fighter, my ass; more like a whiner.

Her leads in TX and OH, as everywhere which have gone before, have evaporated.  Maybe Obama overtakes her, maybe he just closes gap to 'next to nothing'; either way, he's won enough battles, smartly enough, that the outcome of the war is not in serious question.  (Bill Richardson's point on Face the Nation yesterday...it is time.)  Clinton will not win 70% of the remaining unpledged delegates. Period.

In retrospect, one could look at New Hampshire as being a fluke, occurring only 5 days after Iowa and with shifting sands of those wanting to say a sentimental farewell to Hillary (watch her Iowa concession speech [back when she still dignified the voters of 'insignificant' states with recognition that they had spoken]...it is much like her perceived 'concessionary' remarks in the CNN debate---remarks which break from her public character by admitting of the least truth or things being 'not her way').

Nevada was a rigged game that Obama nearly closed; fine on California and New York---huge states which know her well and the contests were still very close [especially delegate-wise], even as we are wondering about uncounted precincts in NYC.

Bottom line is, under the rules folks agreed to in advance, the challenger has won.  Be big and admit it, Mrs.Clinton.  You appear as a sore loser and someone willing to sacrifice 'big' things for your personal goals.  Not good.  But not really surprising.

Texans and Ohioans---do your thing, with gusto.
I'm reading and searching your web page and blogs looking for any story challenging obama on any issue or looking for any reporting on obama playing the race card then blames the Clintons or obama reassuring a foreign government he will not do anything about NAFTA or something .... anything .. that tells me obama is not the MESSIAH but to my "NON-SURPRISING" self I could not find a WHISPER. WOW Good Read.
I was still undecided about a Democratic candidate until the attacks started coming. I decided then that anyone who attacks so hard over things that can be proven to be untrue is desperate. Sorry, Hillary, you lose -- with me, anyway.
I do not want Hillary to represent me as a female
"fighter" in this election.  She does not play by
the rules unless they further her ambitions.  She
wants sympathy then says she does not.....always
wanting it both ways.

 
Why do so many women think that because she is the
first female candidate that she is "entitled" to the
office.  She is no more entitled than any other
dirty fighter who does not steer a clean fight.
The whole media thing is soooo obvious. Hillary whines that the media is being one sided (the set up) and when the ball is over the net, (the spike) she dumps out a bunch of negative garbage. The press predictably fell for it and she is laughing all the way to the convention to steal the nomination.

Meanwhile, Hillary still needs to produce her tax returns, explain her contributions from a company who has been entangled in sexual harrassment suits, explain what her "REAL" experience is and why she refuses to honor her signing of the Florida and Michigan pledge.

obamavets.com
I do not someone to rule over us I want a leader, a visionary, someone who can get us excited about the future.

Boy Rush Limbaugh - now there's a endorsement that I would want!!
Obama can not beat McCain, but Clinton can beat McCain.  Obama has too much political baggage and Clinton does not.  Obama supporters will say Clinton has political baggage but that stuff is Mickey Mouse stuff - Whitewater = Mickey Mouse stuff.  Monica Lewinski = Mickey Mouse stuff (and Hillary doesn't get the political black eye for Monica Bill gets the political black eye for Monica lewinski) all the poltical baggage against Hillary is Mickey Mouse.  Republicans hate her because republicans lost to Clintons twice already.  Hillary can beat the republicans, but Obama can not.  Obama's baggage:  Resnik, too liberal (voted most liberal senator in the entire senate), too inexperienced,  buddying up to our enemies Cuba and Iran, he's black (I'm very willing to vote for an African American, but most voters are not, he wouldn't put his hand over his heart for the pledge of allegiance, may have ties to the muslim religion, his christian church is very controversial, past drug use as a kid, perhaps past gang friends as a kid, etc, etc, etc.  The repubs are switching to democrat so they can vote in democratic primaries.  They are voting for Obama in our democratic primaries because they know they can beat Obama.  The repubs are trying to pick our candidate, and they want us to be stuck with the candidate that they can beat- Obama.  They're scared of Clinton.  These airhead far-left dems who support Obama are helping McCain become president by supporting Obama who can not possibly win in the general election because undecideds will not vote for Obama once they start thinking about all the negative things about Obama.  
"He doesn't look like your typical presidential candidate and he is too inexperienced, with only a few years in Congress from Illinois and no track record in foreign affairs."

Despite these "shortcomings," an overly tall, lanky, intellectual lawyer from Illinois who had served only two years in the US House of Representatives was elected president in 1860. His name was Abraham Lincoln.

Why is it that none of today's pundits bring this example up to the american public?
Thirty five years of experience - at what?
Lying?
That's what it is beginning to look like.
This is a woman who is so greedy she feels as though she is entitled to be President because she was married to one.  He was IMPEACHED  - is that her 'role model'??

Please enough - if she is elected, I predict Americans by the droves will be relocating to another country.
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/did_i_say_osama_i_meant_obama.html

   So last night around dinner time, the phone rings. It’s the Hillary campaign–official number, per the caller ID. The woman on the other end asks me if Hillary can count on my support Tuesday. I say I have not decided.

   She asks what would help me decide. I say, “Well . . . maybe she can make Bill her vice president.” She does not know how to take me, of course, but has to assume I am serious. “I don’t think she can do that.” “Bill will have a significant role in major decisions, though, won’t he?” I ask. “Oh, certainly he will be very involved. Do you like Bill?” “Very much.” I reply.

   She then launches into a two-minute spiel on all the very specific initiatives and proposals Hillary has put forth on health care, the war in Iraq, etc., etc. At the end of her spiel, she says, “And we haven’t heard anything that specific from Osama bin Laden.”

   I say, “You did not just say that.” She replies, “I’m sorry . . . just a slip of the tongue.” She then thanks me for my time and encourages me to vote for Hillary on Tuesday.

The lawyer says he was "stunned" and tells The Swamp the call originated from the Clinton campaign in Columbus. Are the dirty tricks ramping up as we get down to the wire? Swamp readers in Ohio and Texas, relate your own encounters with the Clinton or Obama campaigns if you've had them.
wait a hit minute here...you mean a Clinton can't be taken for their word? .....no!

let me guess...Hillary's campaign and supporters are now going to react by not addressing the actual issues brought to the table, but instead focus on party/country-dividing tactics such as attacking Obama on something unrelated or attacking the media for being big-bad-meanies and not treating the Clintons as royalty. I mean, lets forget that had Obama lost 11 straight, he'd get ask "why are you still in this" twice as much as Mike Huckabee does now. But that's right, EVERYONES picking on poor poor Hillary.

to 'plagarize' a line here....: lets get real
Billary should know that Afghanistan is in ASIA - not in Europe. Afghanistan is not in the jurisdiction of the subcommittee she is refering to. (Afghanistan would fall in the subcommittee of J. Kerry)

SIMPLE AS THAT. A lie is a lie ... and a Clinton is a Clinton.

Billary lost already the base she would need in November. Nominating her is giving the election away. Losing in THIS November will destroy the Democratic Party for decades and give rise to an Independent Party - you'll see.
Hillary's bringing Obama's faults to light? Oh, how dare her!!! No matter what she says, and how she says it, the media turns it right around and uses it against her. Then, to top it off, when anything about Obama comes out, the media down-plays it (Rezko, NAFTA talk). I will NEVER vote for Obama-even if Hillary doesn't make it past the primaries; I'd rather vote for George Bush III (McCain). I will never vote for a man that the people and media do not hold accountable. Obama's a dirty polotician who's better at hiding it.
Clinton 08!!!
[Yeah Obama!] or Yeah-bama?

One think unique about Obama's name is that the vowels allow it to be mixed with a number of other words--the reason I give to others for supporting him (although it really is his positions on issues of substance and his relatively unique abiliity to reason through and see different sides to the issues).


Then, I downloaded him onto a new video mp3 player and I figured that I then had an 'i-bama'.



In the words of Thumper's mother ...if you don't have anything nice ...  So posted something almost entirely irrelevant.

Vote-bama!
Barack that Vote!
Every time you see one of those ads, think Bobby Knight.

Slam. Bam.

Even Bob knew when to quit (finally).

Mark Thieme (Sent Monday, March 03, 2008 1:58 PM)

----------------Who the hell is Bobby?  Is he one of the violent felons that fill our jails and prisons to the breaking (pun intended) point?

I HOPE Hillary will Change things and start charging Men More Taxes when she is President.  Men cost this country more , more murders are committed by men and all violent crimes.  WE should tax them when they are born as they are costing TAXPAYER BILLIONS TO CONTAIN. WE let the SEXOFFENDERS OUT AND THE PEDOPHILES TOO, men are the majority of criminals.
Hillary should envoke a law that men have to be off the streets at dark, they are the perpetrators of violence, and grab the guns HILL!
I hope and pray that hillary clinton becomes our next president!!
I read a note Hillary was telling about the great help she was getting in Vermont and Rhode Island and how grateful she was for it. We are too.I am from New york and want to thank everyone ,everywhere thats helping Hillary cause it helps us all.We need a leader that can cope with things as they pop up and there will be a lot.Life is fluid and she can handle the changeing waves of life in front of her. She is sure the real deal. Thanks from just me . We are here for ya Hillary!!!!
Should Obama drop out if he can't win Texas & Ohio?

With all the money he has spent and if he can win should't that tell him something?
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Patty, great question.  Since they're basically tied, why is it that hilary has to get out
Shame!  on you CNN who has become another FOX channel for their biased media coverage. I have noticed that you have been giving extensive coverage of Clinton and ignoring Obama? Are you racially biased???? I thought we were living in the 21st century. Isn't the role of media is to give fair coverage to each candidates. She took 2 million from Paul and now she denies it. Why hasn't she disclosed her tax information? why doesn't CNN the So called fair media question her and air it every 15 minutes. Is it because she is white. I'm disgusted with CNN role, with the Clinton;s. If she wins the nomination I am voting for none.
Go OBAMA 08 go.
I could not get behind any Democratic nominee.  Why can't we get someone to vote for?  I wonder if the desirable candidates won't run because of all the personal attacks they would have to endure.  But personal attacks are exciting, which sells newspapers and makes the profits.  Maybe it's just all about the money.  Voting records are boring, but how am I going to know what a candidate stands for?  I can imagine the bridge of the Titanic sounding alot like what I've heard on TV lately.
Hello people wake up... Lets look at Rosie the riveter, without thousands of (domestic) help would we have won the war? I think not! Women unite and even if Hillary doesn't win the democratic nomination this is ONE WOMAN WHO WILL WRITE IN HER VOTE FOR HILLARY.
stephanie (Sent Monday, March 03, 2008 1:53 PM)
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The Media wants to force Barry down our throats, we will regugitate him ,MAKE that many more women to write in HILLARY!
YES!  That is exactly what I will be doing.
Write in Hillary, a vote for her is a NO for BARRY!
Has anyone noticed the bitterness and hatefulness coming from some of Hillary's supporters?  I am constantly reading Internet rumor stuff and direct negative Hillary campaign rhetoric about Obama coming from Hillary supporters and campaign.  ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!  I am tired of all this negative rhetoric coming from the Clinton camp.

Obama in 08!
I was listening to Obamas wife little bit ago.Man!! She was yelling and nameing states I expected a Dean yaahoooooooo  any min. I see why they keep her in the background . She does have a slur/
As a yellow dog democrat, I will vote for McCain before I vote for a man I don't know or trust.
The most immediate and dramatic example of how Obama unites diverse people is this campaign.  Folks of every race, political persuasion, and age group has voted for him.  And if he can draw independents in droves, and even Republicans now, Democrats will win the Fall elections with a solid mandate for change.

Barack Obama is demonstratably our last, best hope.
Billary should know that Afghanistan is in ASIA - not in Europe. Afghanistan is not in the jurisdiction of the subcommittee she is refering to. (Afghanistan would fall in the subcommittee of J. Kerry)
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hmmmm.......so why did Obama admit he hadn't had any committee meetings because he was campaigning? If it wasn't his responsibility, why didn't he say so?
Oh goody - Clinton has nearly crushed hope and optamism in this country. fantastic. This country has an opportunity to change its trajectory and get off of the wrong path. A clinton win will ensure that we have virtually NO choice in the general election. Clinton - more of the same devisive corporate and lobbyist driven politics vs. McCain the war monger who will continue the division b/t rich and poor and can not be trusted...great choice.
Losing in THIS November will destroy the Democratic Party for decades and give rise to an Independent Party - you'll see.
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and what would be wrong with that? Obama people all want change!  He's saying to get rid of all those "old politics". Who knows; maybe the Republicans will form a new party, too.
MEMO to obama......I am a DEMOCRAT and I WILL VOTE FOR GEORGE BUSH DOG "BARNEY" IF barack hussein obama GETS THE NOMINATION.
You are a creation of the MEDIA and thats it.
Are there any Clinton supporters, or even campaign observers who truly believe (and could articulate their point) the manner in which she (her campaign) has conducted herself since Feb 5th is in the best interest of voters, the democratic party, or for that matter, America.

First Read asks that you respond to the article, yet many responses are critical and attack a candidate - continuing to ignore the adversarial, devisive and otherwise low-rent tone of a campaign; while simultaneously and catagorically denying or dismissing the appeal of another.

You can remain supportive even if you disagree with a campaigns tactics.  I don't think blind and exclusive support of one candidate over another is contributing anything to the broader discussion.
What's the hurry everyone?  Bill Clinton didn't secure the nomination until JUNE in 1992.  It didn't hurt the Democratic party then, and it won't now in 2008.

Don't use the lame reasoning that the Republicans have their nominee so we need ours.  If this keeps going, poor John McCain will be BEGGING for some media coverage.  I for one don't particularly want the Republicans to know too far in advance who their target is.

Obama '08
Ted Kennedy has never had to look at a paycheck and say wow thats alot of money for health insurance, neither has jay rockefeller or john kerry.

Well Brian, neither has Hillary or Obama. What does this prove other than those in DC have long ago forgot what the rest of us care about and have to put up with on a daily basis.
Stephanie - What a great idea - write in Hillary - and, in effect, vote for McCain. That is Brilliant. Hey, throw affordable healthcare, good education, peace, prosperity, and everything else for which the Democratic party stands Out the window in a petty fit b/c Hillary did not get the nomination. As a successful woman, I am embarrassed and mortified that women all over seem to be taking leave of their intellect and their senses simply because Hillary is a woman. There will, one day, be a woman President. Hillary simply is not the person for that job. Do your homework.
Of course evryone around her is telling her to continue... No one wants to tell her she's lost!

If she wins how is she going to pay off all those deals she's made to get her this far?
In most exit polls (assuming that they can be believed), Obama has been pulling from many different sources including some independants and Republicans.  That is what I think many people are talking about when they see Obama as a uniter.  This could also draw from those that might support McCain.  

To those that believe that Obama has plenty of bagage, then they haven't heard many right wing people calling for a "Stop Hillary Express."  The only reasons that Coulter should say that she is voting for Clinton is that she would rather complain about Clinton rather than have someone close to her "beliefs" that she can't complain about as much.  The other reason is that she is a closet self hating liberal.  


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