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Not your average conference call...

Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:32 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC's Mark Murray
In an extraordinary Clinton conference call -- in which the campaign alleged irregularities in the Texas caucuses -- the top lawyer for the Obama campaign (Bob Bauer) jumped on the call during the Q&A session to rebut the Clinton camp's charges.

The Clinton campaign alleged (among other things) that Obama supporters were confiscating precinct chairman manuals at the caucuses, as well as locking out Clinton supporters from the precincts.

"What is happening tonight is an outrage," said Clinton Texas state director Ace Smith. "It's really disturbing and it's really undemocratic what is going on."

To drive this point home, Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson reminded reporters that it had not held such a call in previous contests. "What is happening in Texas is not typical," he said. "It is quite extraordinary."

But during the Q&A session -- on the second question -- Bauer jumped into the fray. He charged that the Clinton campaign in the past had in fact filed a lawsuit raising questions about the Nevada caucuses. (In truth, however, it wasn't the Clinton campaign that filed the lawsuit; it was a state teacher's organization with ties to the Clinton campaign that did.) Bauer also noted that the Clinton campaign has complained about previous caucus contests.

Wolfson then countered that the Nevada lawsuit wasn't filed by the Clinton campaign, and he added: "This is not about the [caucus] process, Bob."

"Thank you for the question, Howard," Bauer later replied.

Minutes later, the Clinton campaign pointed out that Bauer never refuted the actual charges of irregularities in Texas.

It's also worth noting that the campaign cited irregularities in precincts 18 and 24 in Harris County (regarding the seizure of precinct chairman materials), as well as precincts 1851 and 75 in the same country (regarding Clinton supporters being locked out). But the campaign offered no evidence beyond that.

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Wait a minute, Bill Clinton already did this exact same thing in Nevada. He said publicly that he saw firsthand union representatives tell members that they couldn't vote for Hilary but offered NOT ONE piece of evidence to prove it. Neither couldn't the campaign when asked and nobody in the media picked up on this lie.

Now we're hearing the same thing in Texas and sure enough, no evidence is available to prove they're laughable claims and probably never will be.

We all knew the Clinton's had to resort to dirty campaigning and lies to win but now they're so desperate they can't even be original. Just quit now while you still have a small bit of dignity left.
I am tired of the Clinton tactics regarding the election. IF SHE WINS THE NOMINATION I WILL VOTE REPUBLICAN! I'm a life long democrat and this is getting stupid. All of the dirty and silly tactics will drive people away from the process.
So what is the outcome??? Has there been any further investigation into the irregularities?  Can further investigative reporting determine whether these irregularities and the lockout be confirmed?  
Should have been in Minnesota - Brooklyn Center Precinct - Many irregularities!
http://petfoodtales.blogspot.com/2008/02/potential-voter-fraud-in-minnesota-at.html
Obama has been preaching that his is a new kind of politics, obviously it isn't.  This coupled with the Canadian/NAFTA mess shows there is nothing new about Obama.  Would a women with his experience have even gotten this far?  I doubt it.  I'll vote for Hillary in my primary in May even if she isn't still in the race....
How childish will people get! Grow up! Just because you lock people out doesn't mean that you will stop them you are simply holding up the process and hurting the candidate that you support and I'm sure your candidate doesn't appreciate being represented this way.
It's time to turn on the media.  She lost 12 in a row.  She will have won 2 or three of the last 15 contests.  It is completely unrealistic to any observer that she even tie his delegate lead, yet more and more reasons pop up everyday why she should still be in the race.  I'm tired of the attempt to string along the drama.  Huckabee is rarely mentioned though Clinton had lost more states in a series and by wider margins.  I'll wait for November to tune in again, and I'll be voting for Obama.  If he's not there, McCain will be president.  There's no chance of unifying my vote.  And, I'll expect a large number of black voters to do the same considering they're voting 85% for him.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Bauers_conference_call_ambush.html#comments

Barack Obama's top lawyer, Bob Bauer, made an unexpected appearance on the Clinton campaign's conference call this evening, calling in on a line intended for reporters to challenge Clinton aides' claims of irregularities in several Texas precincts.

Bauer used his guerrilla appearance to call on Clinton's aides to "stop attacking the caucus process."

Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson eagerly engaged Bauer on what quickly became one of the campaign's sharpest exchanges, and possibly the most entertaining conference call in campaign history.

She will stop at nothing to win this vote. Even if that means pulling a hanging chads and dumped votes move. Originally I was pro-Hillary. She's lost me. She's someone I once really liked, not quite idolized but strongly admired as another woman from NY. I know feel she's very, very manipulative and I'm terrified to consider her winning.

Is she going to strong arm the American public this way too if she wins this nomination (although I'm told the math is impossible there, so essentially she's just slinging mad at her co-candidate along with the GOP)
Clinton is done.  Both of em'.  This is what happens when someone of the "Clinton" caliber realizes that they can't win....  they spin and spin until they just tucker themselves out...  Who cares what the Clinton camp whines about.  From the looks of the numbers tonight, she might as well have a drink and a cigar with slick Willy at home.  
...more whining from the hill-billies...
Now the whining and bitching starts. She would lie, cheat or steal to get even the slightest advantage. For God's sake Hillary, accept the fact that in in Harris County, as i write this, you are loosing your blouse, 62% to 38%. Stop the threats, and just accept that the Texas returns are not quite going your way
ENOUGH allready- let the state of Texas do it's own unique thing.
Has there been a single State that Clinton desperately needed where they didn't complain about something? Or try to force a different outcome? Her showing up in Florida when everyone else didn't,  (her "thank you" speach to Floridians, which conveniently all just happened to have printed signs laying around... SURE they didn't campaine in Florida!) They thumbed their noses at the Democratic Party by leaving her name on the Michigan Ballet when all the others removed their names to respect the rules.

This is all nothing new, all this whining and complaining and trying to change results adds up.. they'd pull a Lieberman and go Independant if they thought they could win that way.. that's how much they care about the Democratic Party.. it's NEVER been about the people, it's always been about Them.
Is this really shocking? Hillary would do anything to keep her campaign going. Just like her flip-flop regarding the Florida & Michigan contests. Before she started losing those contests didn't matter and now that she is losing they should count because she won. That is undemocratic!! She is just made that someone decided to challenge her at all. She feel entitled to this nomination and an upstart, freshman senator is putting her in her place. Go Barack.
How is it that she's so experienced in getting things done but can't figure out how the caucus process works when we're this far down the road?  Makes me wonder how she'd be able to single-handedly manage the federal government.

I'm sure there is tension since both sides have passionate supporters but the complaining is unbecoming.  Hopefully, no dirty tricks and whoever wins does it fair and square.

However, Clinton needs to get the picture.  When you are a household name and up 20 points to start, even a narrow win is a loss.  How negative will this be in November if Hillary becomes the nominee by making fun of the ability to inspire?  I hope we don't have to see it.
I think these "caucus irregularities" actually speak to the general inexperience of most caucus-goers this election rather than some sort of Obama coup. My father in Austin called me from his caucus to say that where there were 7 people in attendance in 2004, tonight there were over 300. Let's really think about how many of the people out tonight are first timers. Furthermore, how many people out there didn't even know what the word caucus meant until this election? A certain amount of disorganization and/or misunderstandings is to be expected.

Sure, what happened doesn't sound like fair play. But I am willing to bet that those things came out of ignorance and a level of immaturity rather than serious disenfranchisement.
Obama with his far leftwing old timers, sore loosers may force it through, but they won't do it in the general election.  it takes Clinton to do it for them because they are too left for the country.
Typical Clinton strategy. Play as dirty as you can, but when things don't go your way, cry as loud as you can that the other guy is playing dirty. I've got news for them, whining does not make up for organization when it comes to campaign strategy. They got out organized, deal with it.
I read with interest the charges of the Clinton of irregularities in the Texas caucases and the complaints about behavior of Obama campaign workers at the caucases.  What I have not heard is any word about or inquiry into the missing votes in New York in 80 precincts in which no votes were recorded for Obama.  Mayor Bloomberg at one time mentioned fraud, yet I am not aware of the Obama campaign bringing it up to the press nor of any mention by the press of possible fraud in the New York primary.  Sen. Obama may actually deserve more NY delegates and no one seems interested in knowing what actually happened.  Why?
In the Washington State Caucus when the State Democratic Web site got overloaded they directed people to the Obama web site to find your caucus location.
OMG - both democratic teams whining and screaming and making farfetched accusations.  As a democrat I'm getting concerned that they're going to whittle down each others credibility so much that we'll lose the general election in what could have been an easy stroll into the Whitehouse.

It doesn't matter whether it's the candidates themselves or their petulant lawyers doing the clawing; both sides are looking less bright.
Hillary Clinton is great and I think the caususes in Texas should be investigated.
Hillary Clinton is great and I think the caususes in Texas should be investigated.
What is the point of this story?  Confusing and unclear, poorly written.  
I think I'm in the twilight zone...what is up with you Obama people?  I'm counting to three...1..2...3...you are now awake...obama is not JFK...he is not the savior of the Universe...he is a man who stumbled into a senate seat and spent half his time there running for President...HE HASN'T DONE ANYTHING...WAKE UP...WAKE UP...
How childish will people get! Grow up! Just because you lock people out doesn't mean that you will stop them you are simply holding up the process and hurting the candidate that you support and I'm sure your candidate doesn't appreciate being represented this way.
Hillary Clinton doesn't get her:  WE DO NOT WANT HER.  We won't vote for her, and if she shoves herself into this, we'll turn away.  Her vote for the war was just the icing on the cake.  I want to ask her:  How many times do you forgive your husband after he cheats on you?  I mean, what kind of person are you?  So power-hungry that you'll stay with anyone and do anything to win?   Let me answer that for you:  YES YOU ARE.  So believe this HRC:  we won't support you.  Just because we are supporting Obama, don't take us for granted.  I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR YOU NO MATTER WHAT.  YOU DO NOT OWN US.  Read this and know it.  
I just got back from a caucus in Tarrant County, Texas. It was awful, everything was unorganized. Precinct materials WERE seized by many random people. The whole thing was a disaster. None of the captains knew what they were doing and it would have been very easy to sway the vote one way if someone tryed.
Has no one noticed that OBAMA filed a lawsuit to keep certain precincts open in the Cleveland area.  And they were all done in predominantly black precincts.

So they both complain -- either when they think that they will lose, OR when they really think something is wrong.
Why would anybody lie and say they are still in contact with a random person or voter called on behalf or Hillary days ago in TX that reported caucus problems. Let's at least be credible "sounding" about such "fairytales", but I guess it runs with the territory...
The real mystery to me is how in this world did hillabilly ever even get elected as a senator nevermind the President of the United States.
Mcain supporters must be salivating at the prospect of even a chance to run against her for President.
Hell his only worry then would be what kind of suit to wear for the inaugural
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!
If anyone talks about a raciest, why almost all of blacks and black super delegates voting for obama? did i spelled it right? is "just words".
I've lost some respect for clinton over the past weeks.  Remember she and obama are actually on the same team.  I wonder if she remembers that.  

just let it go and stop with all the whining.  

Yes We Can!
When this election first started I was leaning towards Hillary, however, after listening to Obama as well as observing his level of professionalism while Hillary tried and continues to try and sling him through the mudd changed my mind very quickly.  Hillary, stop acting like a kid who dropped her lollipop in in the sand!
This is pretty typical in Texas. Election rigging has been going on here for DECADES! For Texans there is nothing extraordinary about it.  They just think they're being independent and freeminded.
REMEMBER THE ALAMO
REMEMBER WACO
REMEMBER WHO APPOINTED JANET RENO

Now that my Republican friends and I have "repelled the invader (Hillary) and put Obama over the top in Texas (too bad somebody had to winn this contest between two Antichrists), we'll take care of that little twerp B. HUSSEIN Osama, er, Obama, in November. It comforts me to know that no Clinton will ever win jack squat in Texas, and that we helped put one more nail in the coffin of her political career.
I have never disliked somebody in my life like Hillary Clinton. She is so disgusting. I cannot imagine what America will be with her as a President.

Hopefully her dirty games will be over soon.
I am glad that, despite what the media are trying to fabricate, there is no scenario where she can overcome her gap in elected delegates. Even if she wins everything tonight.

Shame on her, and shame on the medias who have no conscience.
I'm a Clinton-leaning democrat who sincerely appreciates both candidates.  What alarms me is the vitriol regarding Hillary Clinton that I see in this message thread and across sections of our country. If Obama were making the same accusations, would the same people so dismissively be crying "boohoo" and "sore loser"?  We're talking about a potentially serious flaw in the democratic process, people.  Let's keep our eye on the ball.
here you are, so full of hopes , what is so great about obama "just words" is that you want to heard? how about his complishment?
Obama with his far leftwing old timers, (Kerry &Co.)sore loosers may force it through, but they won't do it in the general election.  it takes Clinton to do it for them because they are too left for the country.  no wonder even Obama said only republicans have had good ideas for the country for the last fifteen years.  it is true.  kennedy??  Kerry??? surounding Obama????
I arrived at the caucuses at 8:50, they were supposed to close at 9. I was told I could sign up, but that my vote wouldn't count. BTW, I was there to vote for Obama. Surely Hillary would want every vote to count, right? She is such a conceited, whining, shrill, windbag and McCain will beat her with one hand behind his back if she gets the Dem nomination. I will not vote for THAT WOMAN. 35 years of overlooking Bill's philandering is not experience, it is pitiful.
Let's not forget that Hillary's campaign sent out training materials to her supporters re: caucuses in which it is plainly stated that they should not let Obama supporters run the caucus.  Her supporters were instructed to grab the materials first.  Hmm.  So, because his people got their first, it is unfair.  Unbelievable.
I am an independant and an ex-pat but still very politically active and aware.  I can say that the constant controversies and complaints do make the Democratic party look both disorganized and petty.  They should really try to reign in this behavior and present a more unified front if they really hope to win in the coming election.
Let me tell you all what the hell the problem is in Texas:

1. The clinton people are intent on cheating
2. They are too dumm to understand the process
3. They are too old and tired to be up and out this this time of evening.
4. Hillary and her crew are crooks and making crooks out of the folk in TX.
5. They are determined to destroy, lie, steal, even kill if need be to win.
Sue Miller: File charges or shut up.

Mark Murray: Reporters should investigate such claims before simply acting as megaphones for one camp or another.
Nobody likes Obama. He should bow out now, he is just too polarizing!!
There were a lot of problems at my caucous. Everywhere in the building had Support Obama signs, the people in charge were handing out Obama stickers, everything was Obama based, it was completely biased!
Inappropriate conduct reports regarding the Texas caucuses have been submitted from disenfranchised voters within both Democratic camps, you imbeciles. Research before you post your hogwash, this inappropriate behavior and unsupervised chaos affects your "golden" candidate as well.
I always felt that regardless of who got the democratic nomination, I would support in the general election.  With all the recent crap, forget it.  If Hillary somehow manipulates the nomination, I think I'll sit out this election rather than enable this process.
After Judge ordered voting locating in Ohio to stay open 'til 9pm, Obama's voters were sent home when they arrived at 8:30pm! Just watched the news on Cleveland chan 5.
If things are not being done fairly I would hope that the Clinton campaign would report it.  It has nothing to do with losing.  Obama's campaign has turned the tables and now seems like the Republicans  of old with the money he has spent in Ohio and Texas.  Doesn't sound like much change to me. Just lots of money to win elections.  She has outdebated him on issues and facts and he just goes into another long winded feel good speech.  Doesn't answer the hard questons and until the last couple of weeks of this campaign hasn't been asked any hard questions.  The most unfairly covered campaign by the media I have followed in my 64 years. Mr. Obama bristles at the hard questions.  What will he do against the Republicans when they start their dirty tricks?  


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