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Ok, here it goes.  Here we have Two Democrats, Hillary and Obama, competing against each other.  Democrats, yes democrats, who I noticed have a tendency to vote for-- guess which party--that is right—Democrats. Now, stay with my reasoning here; I will not go too fast for you, ok. Since the “Democrats” are voting for “Democratic Presidential Nominees” is it just possible, even plausible, and down right probable, that the “Democrats” will vote for a “DEMOCRAT” during the general election! Furthermore, and I will try not to get too complex here, since the “Democrats” have been turning out in record numbers to vote or Hillary or Obama (both of which are: democrats,) isn’t it probable that they will vote for a “DEMOCRATIC” candidate!  Now comes the “tricky part.”  Doesn’t this simply, and I mean very simple, basic logic suggest that Hillary’s argument that she can win the “Big Blue States” against another “DEMOCRAT” become meaningless?  And finally, since Barrack Obama seems to be able to draw in independents better than Hillary, wouldn't he be (and I’m just spit balling here) A MORE ELECT ABLE  PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE—since he is leading in the popular vote and in pledged delegates that represent the will of the American People.  Oh, rest assure, we Democrats will prevail because somewhere, I once read, yes,  that’s’ it---A government for the people—by the people---Yes, yes They must have been talking about the “Super Delegates.”   Not.

SEAT OUR DELEGATES ! SEAT OUR DELEGATES ! OR PAY FOR A NEW ELECTION, NOT A CAUCUS AND HAVE MANY MAIL IN BALLOTS AVAILABLE.WE WANT A "IMMEDIATE" DECISION, WE ARE TIRED OF WAITING !

Hillary will take Michigan and Florida.It is not Clinton's faul that Obama took his name of the ballot in Michigan.Yet another rookie mistake.

Move over Obama. The Clinton machine is going to run you over on their way to the white house.

Not that we feel blackmailed or anything.

One of the arguments for the DNC paying for it, is that Florida and Mich. are struggling economically...well, guess what, so are the rest of us.

I love how a Republican governor is asking the DNC to empty the coffers (that would be money that would normally be used to battle the Republicans for the Presidency, of course) because of a mistake HE made.

I just can't take it anymore.

Sorry to the decent people of Florida but something is not right here.

Hey, Chicken-crap govenors--you decided to break the rules--face up to your responsibility and pay for the "re-vote" yourself--chicken crap.  Some should teach you people a lesson:  in politics!

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What a terrible message this sends. These govenors, who are supposed to be a symbol of law and order, are showing no respect for the rule of law or fair play whatsoever. A very poor example they set.

["I think it's unconscionable that the Democratic National Committee and frankly the Republican National Committee would not seat and would essentially silence voters both in Florida and Michigan," Crist told NBC News while campaigning for McCain in Florida]
--He stated while waving goodbye to a possible VP spot.


--Simple solution: Split the delegates 50/50 and seat the full number (Republicans can do whatever).  It's fair, reasonable, cheaper than another vote and a quick solution.  Above all, I would not look to the Republicans to solve a Democratic issue.  How pathetic.

This post was so "on target" that I just had to give it another whirl:  Sorry to copy another poster--but Mr. Silva says it best:

I really don’t understand why you guys in the media are talking about the importance of winning the big states in the primaries. Let’s be honest and reasonable, there is no way Sen. McCain can win Ohio against Sen. Obama. Why? Here you go; first of all he strongly supports NAFTA and all of the trade treaties similar to it. Second of all, the majority of democrats voting for Clinton already said that they would vote for Obama if he would be the nominee. Third and final, the amount of new voters that came out and voted for Obama will remain coming out and voting for Obama; this is what makes the coalition bigger for him against McCain. And that is only for Ohio, let’s talk about some other big states. Does anyone remember that McCain lost Wisconsin, and Obama won it? Does anyone remember that McCain lost Michigan? What is clear is this: Clinton is winning the states that the Democrats will win in November no matter who is the nominee. Obama is winning red states by such a big margin, that it could result in a real fight for those red states against McCain in the general election. Why then is no one talking about Obama’s appeal to the people in these, so called, red states? These are states that Clinton doesn’t even dream to win, states where the only factor of having a Clinton on the Democratic ticket would make most of the people vote for McCain.  I don’t understand why the media is playing a big role in confusing the American people, is for their own personal interests? I don’t understand why no one in the media is objective enough to see that the best candidate for the Democratic Party is someone that UNITES people from red states and blue states, young and old, rich and poor, whites and blacks, latino and asian. Not someone that is just trying to divide the country and the Democratic Party itself. She is trying to win at all costs, she is trying to destroy HOPE, and trying to end the dream of a UNITED country with her divisive old politics.  

Small question dear CNN, why are you not reporting on the news from Canada where it became clear the the PM chief of Staff Ian Brodie stated that he was approached by Hillary Clinton staff about Nafta. Telling him to take it with a grain of salt whatever she would state. In the end it turn out that it was not Obama who contacted Canadian institutes but the CLinton Campaign

Crist -- crocodile tears

"storm the bestial" ????  Getting kinky or animalistic?

I say let the voter pay $5 each to defray the cost of the running the election again.  After all they were the ones who elected the jackasses who changed the primary date and violated the rules. If they aren't motivated enough or don't have the spare change to pay for the do-over then I suppose some of us in other states could sponsor vouchers for them to turn in at the polls. I'd subsidize a couple of voters. Just make it quick OK?

"I think it's unconscionable that the Democratic National Committee and frankly the Republican National Committee would not seat and would essentially silence voters both in Florida and Michigan,"

Says the REPUBLICAN tool who made the decision to break the rules knowing full well what the consequences would be for the Democratic Party. Why hasn’t anyone called this clown about being the person who did this in the first place?

Here we GO!!! Of course everyone's vote needs to be counted, however what a prize for the Republican Party. First we have Hillary doing everything possible to build up McCain and now Gov. Crist advocating the possibility of a 'do-over' which is the best thing, however the question should really be: Who is responsible for this debacle?
Who created this mess? Who abided by the rules initially and who didn’t?

I can almost envision that the DNC will claim they are not liable for those who ignored the rules, a do-over is the way to go and those who created this mire should pay for it. A new primary date needs to be determined and for future elections it must be decided what the rules are in order to avoid this sort of fiasco. This only serves to distract voters, creates unnecessary animosities and makes the Democrats appear to be as ignorant as the president which currently leads this nation.

Let the new primaries begin for both states and LET’S NOT LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN!! We need to get on so as to galvanize against the Republican Party.

This would be a non-issue if Hillary Clinton were a patriot (or in her right mind).

To continue a campaign of smoke and mirrors, pretending she has a chance given that she has more than 100 delegates to make up by the convention...

Only Obama's dropping out would make this possible.

Or... something unexpected might happen, like his falling down a flight of stairs...soon.

Or... something else.

What the hell?  This is insanity.

Who is going to ring the gong... or are we all going to stand by like morons while she wreaks havoc on the American electorate?

The sad truth is...

Hillary has morphed into a kamikaze.

She is headed right toward us...

Duck and cover, America...

Here we GO!!! Of course everyone's vote needs to be counted, however what a prize for the Republican Party. First we have Hillary doing everything possible to build up McCain and now Gov. Crist advocating the possibility of a 'do-over' which is the best thing, however the question should really be: Who is responsible for this debacle?
Who created this mess? Who abided by the rules initially and who didn’t?

I can almost envision that the DNC will claim they are not liable for those who ignored the rules, a do-over is the way to go and those who created this mire should pay for it. A new primary date needs to be determined and for future elections it must be decided what the rules are in order to avoid this sort of fiasco. This only serves to distract voters, creates unnecessary animosities and makes the Democrats appear to be as ignorant as the president which currently leads this nation.

Let the new primaries begin for both states and LET’S NOT LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN!! We need to get on so as to galvanize against the Republican Party.

If Florida and Michigan had not moved up the date of their primaries they would have had a serious impact on this election.  As it stands now, Senator Obama's name was not even on the ballot in Michigan and yet, 44% of folks in Michigan came out and voted for "uncommitted" or the potted plant.  

Something should be done to make certain these people's votes count, but I don't think we should be listening to the folks who caused the problem in the first place.

Can you feel it.The Governors are pulling for Clinton.Obama is done.Once Michigan and Florida move to her column.Obama is done. Ovama can't take or deliver a punch without crying foul.

If he thinks Clinton is "negative" he clearly is not ready to take NOT he GOP.

How about having the Obama Campaign, the Clinton Campaign, the DNC, and the Florida and Michigan Democratic Parties each pay 25% of the cost of a revote for these two states?  Geez, why let this turn into another stupid line in the sand?  Prove the Dems know how to problem solve.

Conflict of Interest...the three people pushing for the Fl and MI delegates to be seated are as follows

Rep Bill Nelson (D-Fl)- Superdelegate who has pledged to HRC

Gov Jennifer Granholm (D-MI) - Superdelegate who has pledged to HRC

Goc Charlie Crist (R-FL) One of the top choices to be VP with McCain (sure would love the democrats to spend money and fight longer)

I am sure HRC would love the results to stand and the delegates to be seated

The rules are what the rules are. What example would this set for young Americans. Sure, some rules are "meant to be broken", but not in this instance. They should just let every state vote all at once, just like the November election. Either that or the Dems should make their primaries winner take all.

And of course Hill wants the votes to count. She was the only one that got any "votes". I wonder what her opinion would be if the situation was reversed? She would probably still be crying all the way to the convention. "please vote for me. Pretty please! I'm really better qualified anyway since Bill can answer the Red Phone if I have a headache." I'm tired of her acting like a big baby!!

Yup, the Democrats are doing it again and come November they will be crying because they lost another election.  An election they should have won handily.  Why are the Republicans able to select a candadate without alienating their voters?  Get a clue Howard, you have made a real mess of things.

Interesting that the governors who signed the laws moving the primaries up are now blaiming others for "disenfranchising" their voters. They did that themselves. "Mad as hell" voters from these states should focus their anger on their own governors.

Sure patty,sd,ca sure, you uneducated sheep, Billary love people like you, a dumb fan.

Can we have just one election that Florida does not botch up?

OMG, as a former HRC supporter I am shocked!  I am so ashamed I voted for her. God forgive me :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBheLrsMh4E&feature=PlayList&p=5C4D1391E35DF825&index=15

If the democratic party in each state wants to pay for a "do over" then so be it.  Each remaining candidate would  have an equal shot.
But Please MSNBC stop showing at least Michigan as a "win" for Hillary!
Hillary claiming victory in Michigan is exactly like Putin claiming victory in Russia.
It’s not democracy when you’re the only real choice on the ballot.

The only people who disenfranchised the  voters in Florida and Michigan are the delegates who decided to break the DNC rules by having their primary early!  They should be sued by the whole state! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE. It looks bad for the democrats.  And the nerve of the them to expect the DNC to pay for a re-vote.  This is not about the people's voice.  The rights of the citizens are being pimped so that Clinton can have a reason to gain more delegates. It's not about their voices, it's about her.  Barrack Obama could not have even thought of this without being slammed for it.  He's a "nobody" so to speak and if he were in Clinton's position, he would have been asked to drop out of the race a long time ago.  Polictics are nasty and I can't stand it.  The people's voice will not be heard.

Independent In California

Here is a suggestion for both Florida and Michigan:

Have DNC pay 1/2.  Hillary and Obama the remaining 1/2 equally.  With record money raised by both candidates, this seems fair and will be a testament to their "promise" of fairness.  If the candidates don't put in then read this is their lack of confidence to win in either state.  Hillary's contention that she already won those state is a joke.  No campaigns took place in either and it was known all along those don't count.  But by the same reason, a caucus under current rules is also baloney since Clinton knows Obama always wins caucuses and have no reason to go along.  A new primary funded by the DNC and the candidates themselves is a no-loss propostion to both states.  Obama may feel he's losing out since the prescribed resolution is a caucus versus a primary but he also needs to be mindful that both states are primary states.  Hence in fairness, he should concede to a primary and really work for the votes.  If he cuts it close but still lose those states, it doesn't matter to him as he's ahead anyway in delegate count but Clinton arguments go away.  It's worth $5 million to shut Camp Hillary up on this issue once and for all.  I'll donate to Obama campaign (not $5million but my share as a small fry) if he takes the high road.

Florida and Michigan agreed to the rules. They moved their voting date up anyway. They were told the consequences to that action. They were given 30 days to change it. They did not. It was not the DNC that caused this problem. Florida and Michigan voters have no one but the leaders in Florida and Michigan to blame for this problem. It is not for the DNC to pay nor is it right to have a "do over". When the rules are set and everyone agrees it is not in the best interest of anyone to try and circumvent them. That sends a real great message to kids doesn't it? Don't like the rules, pitch a big enough fit until they are changed.
As for Patty is SD Ca....I can only hope that you are stricken with carpal tunnel syndrome as you are on these boards constantly making the most inane comments imagineable. If you represent the typical Clinton supporter, you alone should drive voters to Senator Obama.

I almost fell out my chair watching Charlie Crist keep a straight face talking about florida votes need to be counted. Where the hell was he when Florida votes were cast aside so Bush could win. He is one of the people gleefully responsible for Florida delegates not seated. I am a Florida Democrat and I say Do Not Seat Them. I did not vote because I knew it would not count. Only Hillary, her supporters, and Republicans are clamouring for seating the delegates. Howard Dean need to be strong and let the rule stand. Let Florida pay for a do-over if they want one - then I will vote for Obama.

Lets go dirty Obama. It looks like there is no more room for Mr nice guy. If you can't beat them join them to change them.

Go Obama go!!!!!

Let Hillary pay for the do-over.  She is the one that wants to seat the delegates after the GOVERNORS of those states chose to break the rules.  They knew of the rules beforehand and did not care.  Florida and Michigan you should be upset with your governors, not the DNC.  You were not represented by your governors because they had their own political agendas. Their agendas included manipulating you all for their own benefit.

I guess nobody has actually looked at the exit polls. One of the questions asks how would you describe yourself politically 72% of self-described very conservative voted for Obama.  I wish they had asked a follow up question. Do  you have any intention of voting for Obama if he is the nominee in the fall.  My guess is the answer would be predominantly NO. I don't believe these voters are voting for Obama, they are voting against having Hillary to run against. Are we Democrats allowing the Republicans to decide who will be the nominee. I voted in the Florida primary because I wanted my vote to count. If the Obama supporters weren't dedicated enough to get out to vote.  I am also sick and tired of hearing how Obama supporters will walk out if the Florida and Michigan delegates are seated.  No one suggested that the Hillary supporters should maybe walk out if voters are disenfranchised.  If Obama wants to whine about his name not being on the ballot in Michigan we can give him all the votes for Uncommitted.  Or is intent on taking his football and going home if he can't be Quarterback  

Why does the DNC get to tell a state when to hold a primary? Duh!?! The people were given a chance to voice their wishes/preferences! Yet one political machine gets to call the shots for when to vote? ?? It seems that each state has the option of when to voice/speak out their concerns. The DNC, the RNC, the neo-cons and lobbyist don't get to dictate when/how the elections are done. Simple,really if you think it out. It is the voice of the people not the commands of the "machine bosses". This may be a repeat of the hanging chads or the voting machine malfunctions - they are all dysfunctional side shows. Why do it over at all? The people have spoken - yes, "out of turn" or such, but they have voiced their choices. Homer could probably figure this one out, Folks. Do not disintegrate into chaos and give the Republicans the White House again. This goes back to the old line: " I don't belong to an organized party. I'm a Democrat." Oh, plz! Get it together: Beat McBush!!

Please: ALL VOTERS IN UP COMING PRIMARIES: PLEASE RE-VOTE in FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN AND MORE IMPORTANTLY NOTE: In an article, www.politico.com, A Black Super-Delegate: Rep.D. CA. Diane Watson ( I am almost sure of the name) but am sure I read HER ARTICLE! She said, that she would continue to stay the course, and support Hillary Clinton, even though, (she says it has been happening to almost all black Super-Delegates, but not being reported!) She is being called an "UNCLE TOM" being threatened, harrassed by e-mail, by black constituants, and others, to vote for the black candidate. Do we want a Country already mired down in Recession, housing crisis, war, gas prices, (your telling me, that we cannot put pressure on OPEC? some CORPORATIONS are making Billions) to be divided by RACE also? I hear of smear tactics, but I would bet the farm, that this comes from the very top, or close to it. To polarize, instead, of uniting, is that many Super-Delegates are worried about thier jobs, rather than what is best for the Country. I hope the remaining super Delegates "Undecided" will do what is best for our great Country, who the chose to serve, not be influenced by Race! Moral values, thats the platform President Bush ran on, Well, Rep. Watson, CA., congradulations for having them and sticking by your decision! It takes REAL COURAGE, unlike many of your constituants...you make me PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN, not that you are supporting Hillary, but living your and standing by your beliefs no matter what.

God wake up people. A Republican Governor advocating an outcome that will benefit Clinton. Now why would he do such a thing? Everyone knows that McCain's only chance at being POTUS is against Clinton. If you think he's doing it for the good of Florida Democrats I have some xray glasses you may be interested in buying(free shipping).

The rules were set long ago and agreed to by both Florida and Michigan. To change or skew the rules at this time does nothing but to further weaken the Democratic party. Not to mention it opens the door to further abuse by states in the future. Some say this disenfranchises the voters of those states and they are correct. But to seat those delegates in any way shape or form will disenfranchise many more voters nation wide in my opinion. The rules are the rules, follow them.

As a member of this great Nation THE "UNITED STATES" OF AMERICA, I am appalled that two states are disenfranchised by the Democratic Primaries. I believe the DNC should have the power to ask the voters before changing dates.(how convenient, and suspicious!) Even, if the Federal Gov. has to pony up an equal share of monies, to allow both candidates to campaign, it would be much better than not counting thier votes and thier delegates SHOULD be seated at the Dem. Nat.l Convention! Someone said, there is going to be a three race primary, I think in April, well, make it another Super Tues.III! If we don't count them in, then are we truly United States? The DNC has the ability to intervene and it Should, or we will just be called America from now on, and be in the company of Putin and friends!

HILLARY IS THE MOST POLARISING AND MOST DIVISIVE CHARACTER IN THE HISTORY OF U.S. POLITICS!!!
She refuses to play by the rules (Florida and Michigan) and she LIES like her husband to deflect attention from herself (NAFTAgate II). Is this the person the U.S. would have rule over them!!?
What I'd also like to know is just when, if ever!, did Hillary ever answer a crisis phone call at 3 a.m. in the morning to sort out a national or international crisis??
Nad why does she pitch her campaign to make it sound like she is running for re-election?? Was she the President when Bill was busy doing his intern thing - such that she will no longer need "on tje job training"??

HILLARY IS THE MOST POLARISING AND MOST DIVISIVE CHARACTER IN THE HISTORY OF U.S. POLITICS!!!
She refuses to play by the rules (Florida and Michigan) and she LIES like her husband to deflect attention from herself (NAFTAgate II). Is this the person the U.S. would have rule over them!!?
What I'd also like to know is just when, if ever!, did Hillary ever answer a crisis phone call at 3 a.m. in the morning to sort out a national or international crisis??
Nad why does she pitch her campaign to make it sound like she is running for re-election?? Was she the President when Bill was busy doing his intern thing - such that she will no longer need "on tje job training"??

Storm the bestial? It's Bastille.  Good lord, I really hope you guys didn't think it was spelled that way.

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Hey Florida you were aware that your vote wasn't going to count when you voted. Please tell me what has changed now! You should have used the "mad as hell line" then. Surely this flourishing economy can afford to "redo".I sure am worried about the message we are sending to young voters. Change the rules in mid stream. BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Why are all the major news outlets IGNORING the fact that Hillary was behind NAFTAgate as was reported yesterday on First Read? Obama was taken to task when it was thought to be his campaign! Obama is going to loose this race because the media has decided they want it to go to the convention. What a shape the media rules American politics by coloring the news to fit their grand plan. SHAME

Why are all the major news outlets IGNORING the fact that Hillary was behind NAFTAgate as was reported yesterday on First Read? Obama was taken to task when it was thought to be his campaign! Obama is going to loose this race because the media has decided they want it to go to the convention. What a shape the media rules American politics by coloring the news to fit their grand plan. SHAME

why doesn't everyone just relax? If you have faith in your candidate he will win, so lets just do all the primaries and let everyone (including Florida and Michigan) vote and see where things go? the media and blogs are more worried about this than the candidates. One thing needs to be made clear because I have read some misconceptions. sen. obama's economic advisor met with the Canadian consult in Chicago and sen. Clinton had nothing to do with it. There is an admission by sen.obama in a press conference that the meeting had happened. His economic advisor admitted it happened. both campaigns were contacted by the Canadians. Sen.Obama's rep went. sen.clinton's didn't. the ctv agent in new york confirmed that the name had been wrong and it had been se. obama and NOT sen. clinton. you have been seriously mislead by Chuck Tood and others. also check a recent pew poll showing more independents would vote for sen. mccain than sen.obama. what I want to ask you obama supporters is this: will you vote for sen.clinton if she wins or is winning for him more important than the party? the tide has turned and she could be even with him by june or even ahead. how would you feel then about the super delegate solution? the media and the blogs are still busy busy with their spins and lies about her, but if you weren't around in the 1990's you may not be aware of a woman who was hounded by republicans for eight years, publicly humiliated on a subject usually reserved for a couple to talk about in private and she went through it all with her head up and her dignity in tact. look at her history and you will find she began as a young woman dedicated to the civil rights movement, directly out of college volunteered to counsel Juvenal offenders.she was responsible for setting up the Sick childre's Insurance Program in arkansas and later in the senate. she has worked with republicans across the isle on many issues, including Newt gingrich, bill frist and lindsay graham(the senator who led the impeachment of her husband). This is a very special woman with a lot of courage. I just hope people will look past the the things said about her by republicans and see how talented she is.

What a surprise! Crist wants the Democrats to bail them out of their mess instead of use the money to beat McCain, and to choose Hillary as the Democrat to run against McCain.  Isn't that a conflict of interest?  Look I'm all for fighting for Florida voters, but where was he when the whole mess started?  He couldn't be bothered to convince Florida to follow the rules.  
Florida votes will count in the general election regardless of what happens here.  And if Florida wants another chance, let them fix their primary, but don't put everybody else on the hook to bail them out.

I have to say...very sad that the person that wrote this

"They don't want us to storm the bestial at the convention in August."

doesn't realize that she was speaking about the Bastille...tsk, tsk, tsk!

There has been a lot of bull put about by Obama supporters regards Florida and Michigan.

Florida's primary was moved up by the REPUBLICAN governor Charlie Crist not by the state Democratic Party as the Obamamites keep saying.

Michigan was slightly different - the main mover was a Democratic senator and it was supported by the state senate - by both REPUBLICANS and Democrats. The first primary was paid for by the state of Michigan NOT the parties so technically speaking the Democratic Party should be able to finance a re-run there.

Other states moved up primaries or caucuses without penalty including:

* Iowa
* New Hampshire
* Nevada
* South Carolina
* Alaska
* Arizona
* Arkansas
* California
* Colorado
* Connecticut
* Georgia
* Idaho
* Illinois
* Massachusetts
* Minnesota
* Missouri
* New Jersey
* New York
* Oklahoma
* Tennessee
* Utah
* Maryland

In fact it would have been easier to lists states that have NOT moved primaries and caucuses than those who have!!

Why were they allowed to move their elections up without penalty yet Michigan and Florida were not?

I know that some said it was because New Hampshire and Iowa have always been first.

Why was February 5 seen as the cut-off point for movement?

Why were South Carolina or Nevada not treated as Florida and Michigan?

Why should some states be allowed to move and others are not?

Why should some states have more of an influence over the nomination process than other states?

The sad truth is that if Michigan and Florida voters are ignored they will back john McCain come November. Personally, I'd be happy with re-run primaries in both states but NOT caucuses or firehoses that are not representative at all.

GAME OVER.

Hillary Clinton has proven that she can win the big states that are the must wins for the Dems in November.

Obama failed to close the deal. In Ohio, Obama carried only 5 out of 88 counties despite outspending Hillary 3 to 1! FIVE!! Those five counties are where the large black vote is which Obama won 86% of the black vote in Ohio. This is the ONLY group of voters that Obama won.If you can't win in Ohio, you can't win the Presidency.

Obama is unelectable. It's time for him to exit the race and for the Dems to rally behind Hillary.

The state Democratic parties in MI and FL broke the rules and in the process disenfranchised their voters.  By law, this takes MI and FL out of the equation.  It is clear who is at fault for this -   the states' elected party officials.  There can't be a redo, but there should be  a recall election.  They have betrayed the public trust.

How can you "report" on these two people "joining" forces without detailing that the Michigan gov is a Hillary supporter (and you can make your own judgment on why the Florida republican wants to count the delegates for Hillary.

Hillary agreed to the rules and now wants them changed, what a surprise.

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