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First thoughts: How ugly can it get?

Posted: Friday, March 07, 2008 9:13 AM by Mark Murray
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** How ugly can it get? Doesn't the Clinton campaign want a knife fight? Just as David Brooks notes today, if it drags Obama down to trench warfare, then he loses his place on the nice-guy pedestal. So perhaps it wasn’t surprising that the Clinton camp accused Obama’s team yesterday of acting like Ken Starr, as it began raising legitimate questions about Clinton’s tax records and her actual national security experience. But the Obama folks returned the fire when key adviser Samantha Power called Hillary Clinton a “monster” in an interview with The Scotsman, which was then amplified by Drudge. Power immediately apologized. No doubt that these two campaigns don’t like each other, and as the Clinton-Obama race has gone on for 13-plus months, the campaigns and their candidates are bound to let their frustrations out (remember that Myrtle Beach debate?). But as Brooks points out, Obama -- with both his delegate lead and his politics of hope -- does have more to lose as things get ugly. 

*** The cowboy way: With Saturday’s Wyoming caucuses and then Mississippi’s primary three days later, Obama has the opportunity to cut into -- or erase -- the delegates that Clinton gained on Junior Super Tuesday. At stake in Wyoming are 12 pledged delegates, and the majority of caucus sites open at either 11:00 am ET or noon ET; the latest sites open at 6:00 pm ET (Teton County). Presidential preference votes will be held about 12 minutes into the caucuses, right after Clinton and Obama are “nominated,” “seconded” and two- to- three-minute appeals arguments are made for each candidate. The way the caucuses work, though, varies. Some counties do divisions like in Iowa but without realignments or thresholds. Others use ballots.

*** PA vs. NC: Speaking of upcoming contests, the press has completely bought into Pennsylvania as the next big contest. But there's another very large delegate prize two weeks later -- North Carolina. What's interesting about the two states is that one is a Clinton stronghold (PA) and one is an Obama stronghold (NC). Both campaigns are trying to downplay the other state, but shouldn’t we be judging the two together? Who performs better on the other's turf? The two states represent two different theories of the general election the two campaigns are pushing forward. Clinton's campaign is basically saying they'll use the Gore-Kerry map and get to 270 (win OH or FL). Obama's saying he'll create a new map with states like North Carolina being put in play. This will be the ultimate decision of the superdelegates -- which path do they want the party to go on? Eugene Robinson also makes this good point today: "But it's an odd kind of momentum that we're being asked to appreciate. Apparently, the contests in Wyoming and Mississippi won't count if Obama wins them, because that's what everyone expects. The April 22 primary in Pennsylvania will definitely count if Clinton wins, however, even though that's what everyone expects. To paraphrase Orwell, some states are more equal than others."

*** A compromise for Michigan? The big papers today are flush with stories about what to do with Florida and Michigan. A top Democrat in Michigan tells NBC’s Andrea Mitchell that both campaigns are communicating through Michigan party leaders and zeroing in on a plan for so-called "firehouse caucuses" or caucus-primaries in May or June to redo the Michigan voting. Democrats in Michigan say they have a tradition of voting this way in the past. And since people come to firehouses, vote and leave in a closed way, it would not violate Hillary Clinton's opposition to traditional caucuses where people have only a set time to show up and openly discuss their preferences. But how does the state get around Gov. Granholm's objection that Michigan taxpayers foot the bill? Per Mitchell, sources say the candidates would be asked to raise the money, and there is no legal obstacle to them finding private funds for the redo. If Michigan does agree to a redo -- and because Obama's name wasn't on the ballot before, it's probably a given it will -- what kind of pressure will Florida feel to follow suit?

*** The DNC’s money woes: One reason why we shouldn’t expect the DNC to foot the bill for do-overs in Florida and Michigan? It doesn’t have that much money. As the New York Times writes, the DNC “ended 2007 nearly flat broke, with cash of $2.9 million and debts of $2.2 million. Since then it has raised some money, paid down debt and managed to put $3.7 million in its piggy bank. This compares, however, with $25 million that the Republican National Committee has in cash on hand, after having raised $97 million since the beginning of 2007.” With the Clinton-Obama race perhaps going on until the convention, the DNC will have to be the principle vehicle to take on McCain, and so it will need every cent it has. The lack of money for the DNC is a real head-scratcher. Check out how flush the DSCC and the DCCC are, as well as the two presidential candidates. Why can't the DNC raise any money? It's mind-boggling, frankly, and the only thing keeping the GOP in the game financially. Meanwhile, McCain's putting his imprint on the RNC by naming three finance operatives and one political operative. 

*** On the trail: Clinton campaigns in Mississippi before heading to Wyoming, where she visits Cheyenne and Casper; McCain stumps in Georgia and then raises money in New Orleans and Phoenix; and Obama, in Wyoming holds a town hall in Casper and an evening rally in Laramie. Also, Bill Clinton lays the groundwork in Pennsylvania with two stops there before going to Mississippi.

Countdown to Wyoming: 1 day
Countdown to Mississippi: 4 days
Countdown to Pennsylvania: 46 days
Countdown to Election Day 2008: 242 days
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Dean's 50 state strategy is what has drained the accounts - anyone who was on the DNC email list from 3-4 years back may remember these emails about not ignoring the "red" states. I, for one, believe it could be a great strategy. It did Dems well in 2006, and hopefully will continue in 2008. I think we've seen some of the benefits of the 50 State Plan during this primary with the record turnout numbers. Yes, I know the candidates themselves have brought in a whole slew of new voters (especially Obama), but I give Dean some credit for "undemonizing" the Democratic Party in general within the "red" states.
Rick from NC...keep dreaming.

Obama would clean McCain's clock as there is a huge diff between them.

Clinton is just like McCain who is just like Bush.  hence...Clinton==Bush.
Democrats - Be VERY suspicious if the GOP Governor of Florida - a HUGE MCCAIN supporter - is backing the idea of giving Hillary the January primary results!

Democrats - be VERY SUSPICIOUS when GOP guru Pat Buchanan is backing the idea of giving Hillary the January primary results!

Hmmm... why would these GOP folks be so eager to help Hillary? Maybe because they know that the ONLY hope they have in November is if Hillary is the nominee?
Doesn't Hillary realize that her 49% disapproval rating is about to go higher with the several million who would have supported Obama, not only realizing that she has destroyed her relationship with the African American communities around the country? Jeez,that woman has zero EQ....
When the decision was made to not count Florida and Michigan delegates, a certain percentage of total possible delegates, why was the total number of delegates required to win not reduced by the same percentage?
I need to ask First Read what's up with carrying Hillary's water all the time the past few weeks.  Are you guys paying penence for all of Hillary's whining about the press being mean or something.  
I find I am almost watching only CNN these days because you guys are so embarrassing in your gushing of Hillary.
I don't even watch Morning Joe because they all sound like drink koolaid before hand and sound like Buchanan in their excusing Hillary for everything.
You use to be a better network but, I can barely stomach you anymore.
I missed Olberman last night. Did he mention the Clinton-NAFTA gate or did he also neglect it as all the other network's did? Maybe Tim Russert will bring this up on MTP.
Chris Matthews however mentioned that if Hillary tries to steal the nomination in Denver, Barack's delegates may get up & walk off the Convention floor.If that happened, & it should if Hillary tries that, the Democratic party will officially be over & Rightfully so.

Folk's, the MSM is Owned by the Establishment(i.e.Hillary's their candidate)& their Not gonna let anyone from here on out Report anything Damaging to their candidate.It will be up to the people on the ground(as has been so far)to put Barack over the TOP.

To the previous poster, it was David Gergon, who said a Top Democrat told him about Barack being able to take a punch, but wanted to know if Barack could throw one.

The Monster comment is schoolyard stuff, however coming from a top advisor, they should be releived of their position, & i'm a Barack supporter.
The corporate owned media fails us again.  Failed to tell the truth about 9/11, failed us about the Iraq invasion.   Failed to tell the truth about US support of bin Laden and the Taliban. Failed to tell us about the stolen 2000 election. Failed to tell the truth about the Canadian NAFTA thing.  Failed to tell us that Hillary has absolutely NO CHANCE of winning the primary.  Failed us, failed us.  It's too bad that the media, usually such an important part of democracy, has failed us so miserably.  Treasonous.
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HILLARY WILL DO ANYTHING TO STEAL THIS NOMINATION.
SHE WILL DESTROY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, AS WE KNOW IT.
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CHECK INTO THOMAS TAYLOR. Hillary runs her campaign just like a slimey lawyer. She is not concerned about the people. She is concerned about power and winning to satisfy her desire to dominate. LIKE I SAID....CHECK INTO THOMAS TAYLOR!
Excuse me, but can someone please tell me who said that a candidate had to win every primary to secure the nomination? I am getting the impression here that winning Rhode Isalnd, Ohio & Texas somehow trumps winning 12 contests in a row from Washington to Nebraska to Louisiana to Maine to back through the Potomac Area through Wisconsin, all by no less than 17%. Please Explain.  
Judging by the above, it's already gotten ugly. What happened to running on your merits, and not on the other guys back? And the whole idea here is to clean up the GOP's 7 year pile, hmmm, not put us into another four or more years of making it worse.
Rick, NC: To insinuate that white people are voting for Obama based on "white guilt" is absolutely repulsive.
where does it say how a super delegate is supposed to vote.  the omaba crowd keeps pushing that if he is ahead in delegate count they have to vote for him.  My question is WHY?  when was this rule created.  This is nothing but cheating and fraud and it comes from one who considers himself a saint and calls Clinton a monstor.  He needs to quit now before he makes a complete ass of himself.
I am so tired of Florida messing things up in elections.  That sorry state can't get it right...ever!  I say its high time we give Florida back to Spain so that we don't have anymore problems with our elections.  
Several good comments in this roll-up blog.

1. It will get very ugly, and seeing as this benefits Clinton more than Obama, we'll all know who is responsible.

2. For all the whining from Clinton about how the media is unfair to her, it does allow to continually frame the debate. Pennsylvania is not the next important contest. Wyoming is, and Mississippi after that. The reason she is so far behind is because her campaign failed to recognize the smaller states count, too.

3. The Michigan "compromise" sounds workable, but I am concerned about the message this sends to other states. I'm in Virginia, and like 47 other states we followed the scheduling rules. Seeing as its looking more and more like Michigan and Florida will get do-overs, I'm wondering why we followed the rules. Perhaps in 2012, we'll go in December, just to create a little drama, and then whine about how our voices have been disenfranchised to the point of getting our own do-over.
Axelrod who took advice from the show westwing…tried to get a formula for a winning personality that was not Obamas real personality of a smoker, short-temper, arrogrant, do-anything to win attitude that is his real personality

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"One thing I can say is, I never heard him launch into the preacher-man voice he now employs during speeches. "

read the rest at:

http://houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/1

PLEASE DO RESEARCH ON OBAMA….THE WORLD MUST KNOW THE DECIEVING PERSON HE IS!!!
IF YOU STAND BY YOUR IDEA THAT NORTH CAROLINA COUNTS AS MUCH AS PENNSYLVANIA, THEN IT SHOULD BE ON YOUR COUNT DOWN OF DATES
Florida and Michigan should either Not count or hold caucuses. Here is why:

The contests were unfair to begin with - they voted early and Hillary has a "name brand" - hers is the default, the most recognizable name.

In addition, she was the ONLY name on the ballot in Michigan, if we count that result, we may as well call her Comrade Clinton.

Hillary is on and on about how Florida and Michigan should get a say - but she has dismissed out of hand the most fair, practical and economical solution - a caucus.

A primary would be prohibitively expensive, and the state would have to pay for it, taking millions away from what? children's healthcare? (the states still pay a portion of SCHIP) Elder care? education? WHERE is the money for the primary?  Oh, and by the way, Michigan is beyond BROKE already - but hey, anything for Hillary.

Yes Hillary cares deeply for the voters, so much so that she will demand that the state spend WAY more money to vote HER WAY...

THE PARTY, not the state, should pay for caucuses, which would be cheaper. The DNC created this mess, if they want to fix it - this is how...or simply enforce the rules. Michigan, Florida, and HILLARY ALL knew and agreed to the rules.

SO - Does Hillary CARE about Florida and Michigan - Well, it turns out, only so far as they vote for her and it comes out her way.

I don't hear Obama demanding caucuses. He is letting the Florida and Michigan thing decide itself and I'm sure that if they decide to vote He will do fine.
Feedback from Germany: Once the Clintons stood for progressive America. So I really was their fan. Now I watch with big amazement the self destruction of the Clintons. Let them have their way and there wont be any chance of winning in Nov. That will bring us more war in Irak and maybe another one in Iran ("bomb, bomb, bomb Iran-John). She cant win in delegates and even if she does - using her strategy of destruction and fear - she won´t even get all the Democratic vote in the general election. Please Americans, give ma a break!
Hillary Clinton is a "monster".  I really believe she is a demon in disguise. If she wins the nominee, I will vote for McCain....sorry!
We interupt this program to bring you the viewers an important message.Clinton smear campaign has escalated to an all time high against Obama, Obama refuses to smear back. Lets keep this positive Clinton says to Obama. Why? Obama ask Clinton I have been positive since the begining.You pissed Canada Off No you did,you are telling a great big Lie No i am not you are!! Sorry for the interuption we will  go back to the regularly scheduled program.(Days of or Lives). Democrats want change seems to me neither candidate has a clue what, correction, how to do it?? if splitting your parties and others, ranting and raving and pissing matches is what you democrats are all about CHANGE YOU WILL GET BUT SURELY NOT THE CHANGE YOU ARE EXPECTING!!! Yes I have issues!! The thing that gets me the most, is the fact that democrats for Clinton will vote McCain if Hillary is not nominated, someone please explain this to me? Or is this how you want the country to be so call UNITED!! RACIST!!  
Thanks First Read on pointing out the PA versus NC issue.

I have detested that some States are viewed as important and others are not.  They all count even obviously some have higher delegates at stake.  They all have different demographic compositions and then resulting issues.  They all matter.

I hope MSNBC can not let the Clinton machine continue to drive how we talk about the different States primaries and caucuses.
If Hillary Clinton thinks just because she turned over to listen in on Bill's 3:am calls she's qualified for the job... I think Monica Lewinsky should run. Wasn't she too listening in on Bill's calls IN THE OVAL OFFICE (on her knees, yes) but the same listening experience... I'm sure she heard as much as or more than Hillary. (since Bill was obviously more relaxed)
Just when you think the Democrats can't get more pitiful, they out do themselves yet again. Clinton continues to lie like a rug, and no one in the party calls her on her lies - talks with Canada and NAFTA being the latest. The news is not that Hillary lies, it's about what is she trying to get away with this week. Then there's Obama, who is starting to get testy and mean towards Hillary. Who can blame him, she is a monster. One of these days the press is actually going to ask Obama a hard question, and that will be the end of him too. Then there's Howard "I make the rules" Dean who's rules he made up for Florida and Michigan are now being ignored, even by him. We all knew he was a spineless little twit and he goes out and proves it every day.

It's an endless soap opera for the Democrats that will be in a total meltdown by November. If they can't win elections this year, they are never going to win any elections again.
i see all the clinton haters are going strong but i for one don,t want a raceiest woman in the white house and she is .
It is clear that the VOTERS will not be able to choose the nominee.  Niether candidate will be able to clinch the nomination with pledged delegates.  THIS IS NOW A KNOWN FACT!!!   The remaining primary contests will essentially be exercises in futility.  And the race is sure to get nasty.  Do we really want to go down that negative road?  It would be bad for the party, bad for the country, and bad for democracy.  The SUPERDELEGATES NEED TO STEP IN NOW!!!
Hillary's plan is this: if she can't win it this year, she'll make it impossible for Obama to win by bloodying him up over the next 2 months - doing McCain's dirty work for him. This way she can come back in 2012 and say "I told you so" the the democratic party, for nominating Obama.  

I won't call her a monster, but she is behaving monstrously by puposely destroying the hope of millions who have believed in our political system for the first time ever.  I hope that the Superdelegates come in soon to tell her that they will not allow her to rip the party apart.  
Lisa from New Britain, CT

Yes, you are one voter, but some am I and my husband and a some of my friends and surprisingly we have all come to the same conclusion independent of one another.  I don't know that I can vote for her after the sleazy politics and the Joe Liebermanesque embrace of John McCain.  Maybe there are quite a few voters out there like us.
That might be a little too harsh a reaction, Pat Huntington, but perhaps not by much.

Florida is a mess. Its a perfect state for Clinton - more drama than substance.

And let's face it - if the Cuban exiles had gone to Mobile instead of Miami, we'd have relations with Cuba now, despite what John McCain says about them needing to have democratic elections first. If that's McCain's litmus test for relations, I guess he would break off relations with Saudi Arabia, China, etc.
I still don't see where race or gender come into play. Isn't this a vote for the best qualified individual? Small minds discuss you know what. Hillary needs to get past the 'poor me' thing, and start talking about what she has to offer. 35 years of what experience? Tea and crumpets with half the world leaders, while his administration did the hard work? That qualifies her to be on the Oprah show, not the president. Except she admits she can't cook. It seems to me that if she were to start throwing cup cakes at Obama, she might get more sympathy.
"How ugly can it get"?  Just look at clinton.  Nothing can possibly be uglier than that thing!  No wonder bill went after Monica.
"How ugly can it get"?  Just look at clinton.  Nothing can possibly be uglier than that thing!  No wonder bill went after Monica.
jb, nc: Good post. And let's not forget, Hillary knew this and her surrogates in Florida, including several local pols up for election. Those people had millions of robocalls, emails, websites, and literature going out daily for weeks encouraging people to vote for Hillary. She also held a victory party there so how is it we think she wasn't planning this all along. Especially when she has people like that Hastings man who should probably be in  jail. Then she and Granholm planned to appeal Michigan FROM THE START! Why in the world would she have left her name on the ballot? JOHN EDWARDS: WHERE ARE YOU TO SUPPORT OBAMA? Please tell me you aren't holding out for a post with Hillary!!!
"How ugly can it get"?  Just look at clinton.  Nothing can possibly be uglier than that thing!  No wonder bill went after Monica.
Lovely....just what the republicans want. Democrats shooting at each and vowing not to vote for Clinton if Obamma doesn't win. Repeat after me, a third term for bush and all his policies undet the name of mccain. Stupid Democrats!!!
A fact check on Clinton's foreign policy claims
From Brian Todd
CNN
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton, fresh off crucial wins in Tuesday's primaries, has been playing the experience card heavily, particularly in regard to her role in foreign policy.
Clinton said it's her 35 years of experience that make her the best candidate to take on presumptive GOP presidential nominee John McCain in November.
After losing primaries in Ohio and Texas, Sen. Barack Obama argued the media has not held Clinton's feet to the fire on foreign policy.
"Was she negotiating treaties or agreements, or was she handling crises during this period of time? My sense is the answer is no," Obama said Wednesday.
So how do Clinton's claims stack up?
In some cases, CNN found a lack of clarity on her real involvement in foreign policy affairs. But in other cases, her claims do seem to check out fairly well.
Northern Ireland
"I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland," Clinton said on CNN's American Morning on Wednesday.  Watch more of Clinton's comments on the race »
A Washington Post blogger accused Clinton in January of exaggerating her involvement in Northern Ireland.
But former Democratic Senate majority leader George Mitchell, who was a U.S. special envoy to Northern Ireland, told CNN that while Clinton was not directly involved in negotiations, she did play a helpful role in bringing in women's groups that made a difference.
Mitchell is a Democratic superdelegate and has not publicly endorsed Clinton or Obama.
Rep. Peter King, a Republican from New York, was also involved in the process. He recalls one late-night meeting with former President Bill Clinton, Sen. Clinton and Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams.
"There was a discussion of how the IRA would decommission its weapons. And I know that Sen. Clinton was part of that meeting," King said.
Kosovo
"I negotiated open borders to let fleeing refugees into safety from Kosovo," she said on CNN's American Morning.
In May of 1999, she was in Macedonia visiting refugee camps near the Kosovo border and meeting with Macedonia's president and prime minister.
Sources with knowledge of her visit say she discussed the refugees' plight with those leaders. It's not clear how much she helped since CNN reported at the time that Macedonia reopened its border to Kosovar refugees before Clinton's visit.
China
"I've been standing up against, you know, the Chinese government over women's rights and standing up for human rights in many different places," she said on CNN's American Morning.
During a 1995 visit to Beijing, at a time when her husband's administration was trying to press China on human rights, Sen. Clinton made a speech condemning abuses.
"No one should be forced to remain silent for fear of religious or political persecution, arrest, abuse or torture," she said.
But a former National Security Council official in the Clinton administration says Clinton didn't attend NSC meetings. So while her experience is extensive, she rarely carried an official portfolio.

If it comes to getting down and getting dirty in a trench war, Barach Obama is a definite at disadvantage. He was raised to be a gentle-man. Thank God! His opponent is used to gutter fighting as can be seen from the crap that has already come from her and her surrogates. I think that by using his superior intellect Obama can strike back at Clinton, and I hope he uses it. She won't know what hit her.
I have a question...

How do career politicians become millionaries? Where and how did you make all that money?

As governor or first lady of Arkansas, or was it as President & First Lady; not maybe it was as a U.S. Senator.  

Hillary loaned her campaign...I believe it was around $5 million of her money. How does a U.S. Senate earn that much money?

Please let me know, so I can run for office!
I have a question...

How do career politicians become millionaries? Where and how did you make all that money?

As governor or first lady of Arkansas, or was it as President & First Lady; not maybe it was as a U.S. Senator.  

Hillary loaned her campaign...I believe it was around $5 million of her money. How does a U.S. Senate earn that much money?

Please let me know, so I can run for office!
WE "DEMAND" A NEW ELECTION IN FLORIDA OR COUNT THE VOTES AND SEAT THE DELEGATES. PERIOD. MY VOTE WILL COUNT, AND YOUR VOTE WILL COUNT. NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS WILL DO. PERIOD.
WHEN WILL PEOPLE WAKE UP, EVERYONE I KNOW THAT VOTED
FOR CLINTON IN THE PRIMARY WILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN IF
OBAMA IS THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE.  JUST WHAT THE
REPUBLICANS WANTED ALL ALONG.
http://www.theroot.com/id/45135
Read up people. We all aren't gullible or too young to remember the Clinton machine and the wrath we, as Americans, are still trying to get out from under. Obama08
McCain DOES have more experience than Oblahma.
But hey - Obamabots - don't let facts get in the way!
Hey all you people in Ohio. How do you feel now that you know Hillary out and out lied to you? Sure she is going to get more jobs in Ohio by changing NAFTA. And that bad man Obama supposedly told Canada that he wasn't really going to change NAFTA. She must have been up all night laughing at how she duped you. If you can't lie to your own constituents, who can you lie to?
Margaret at 9:33 a.m.
In addition to the very appropriate, and respectful, apology from Samantha Power, the Obama camapaign's chief spokesman has reinforced that such comments have no place in their campaign.  All this within, what?, 12 hours of an impulsive utterance that she immediately asked to be kept off record.  ----------  So when is Senator Clinton going to get around to apologizing for the planned, deliberate and much more scurrilous attacks on Obama and his supporters uttered, in her presence, by Bob Johnson and that foul-mouthed yokel in Ohio? I don't hold either candidate responsible for what other people say: they are accountable, however, for their response when inappropriate language or sentiment come out from their campaign, especially if it's done in their presence.  No, I don't think this is a line of inquiry that any Clinton supporter should want to pursue.  Frankly, too many people privately agree with Ms Power.
Hillary supporters, are you OK with your candidate winning at the expense of the election and the reputation of the Democratic party? Is Hillary that important to you?

For pete's sake look up a few things. Hillary's 8 years in the senate is a joke. She only sponsored 2 pieces of legislation that made it to the president's desk and that was to set up a historical site and name a fricken post office. By your standards any first lady who had a prior law career would qualify as president.

The  one thing she does have is experience at manipulating and intimidating the media and we all know the electorate is basically controlled by the media. I'm pretty frustrated that as a culture we have devolved to this level: choosing presidents based on whether or not you like their middle name.

If we take a pass on Obama and go with Hillary I will get the pleasure of posting "I told you so" here every day for the next 4 years.
Hillary is more than willing to drag Obama into the mud. She is the best mud wrestler in politics. Obama may suffer some image damage as a result, but in the end he will be able to clean up. Hillary will always be the dung standard in politics (sorry Mr. Rove).
Democrat08, Florida (Sent Friday, March 07, 2008 9:20 AM)
"What do Rhode Island, Vermont, Democrats Abroad, Hawaii, District of Columbia, Nebraska, Minnesota, Colorado, New Mexico, Utah, Delaware, North Dakota, Idaho and Alaska have in common with Florida?
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Answer Sen. Obama got less votes in all those 14 contests than Sen. Clinton received in Florida."

That's because Florida is packed full of her base... 85 year old women and high school dropouts. Wow what a badge of honor for Hilary.
Hey Margaret from Ohio, obviously you are one of the snillary supporters who haven't woken up yet, and who probably voted for her in Ohio. Do you not see the deception of this woman. Look at the REAL snillary and it may make you run to the bathroom instead of the voting booth!!! Snillary is out for Snillary only not what is in the best interest of the Demo party.....she is a spoiled brat who always wants to get her own way.....facts are facts!!


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